00:02Well, I think that the issue here is we're talking about primary school, we're talking
00:07about very young children, we're talking about children 5, 6, 7, 8. To us, that seems extremely
00:12young to start pushing a social agenda on such young children. It's different when you
00:19become an adult or a teenager, you can start working through those things. But at such
00:23a young age, we feel that a child is not able to make an informed decision. It's a major
00:31life-changing thing. I think we've done a lot of transgender interviews on here, met a lot
00:38of children who have decided that they are gender fluid, and a lot of parents as well.
00:45The parents, I think pretty much on the whole, I could say, never pushed their children into
00:51this. It was the child's choice to help them. It was the child that had the issue, that they
00:56felt, I want to do this for me.
00:59Yes. I think we would say that, you know, children at that young who have a confusion about which
01:06gender they are, that they need that support. You know, we have compassion and love about
01:12these families. And the families, this has been a very painful thing because we are friends
01:16with these people. We love the school and we're part, we do assemblies, we're very involved.
01:23But we see the effect of this on there. And we just felt that the process that happened
01:30is not right. It was just like pushed, this is going to happen. One day, they just turn
01:35up a boy wearing a girl's dress with a girl's name, instead of having a proper consultation
01:40with that. And we just feel that that child needs to be taken aside with medical advice.
01:46People who experience... Medical advice?
01:48People who experience... Medical advice?
01:50Well, why medical advice? Why does a child who decides their gender fluid need medical advice?
01:55Well, under the Equality Act, apparently, you know, it's at the age of 18 this starts and
02:00you have to show that you have been a transgender for two years and that sort of thing. But again,
02:03it comes down to it being a child. You see, a child, a child of that so young can't make
02:09that informed decision. It's, it's far to you. And the, and the, and the statistic also apparently
02:13is that 90, 98%, I believe, of people who, who, who said that they felt like that when they
02:20were younger, turn out not to be like that at all. And I think it could be damaging not
02:24only to, um, you know, the transgender, but to all the, the...
02:27Can I, can I make, because obviously, you know, you, you made the decision to take both
02:31of your children out and homeschool them because they were under a amount of stress. And I can
02:35understand that it might have been a shock that one day suddenly a boy comes in a dress
02:40and the names change. And without that understanding of what's happened, I can understand that that
02:44might have been an unusual thing to happen. But is this not part of the understanding that
02:49by, by doing this, there is greater understanding. And actually, it could have been a chance to
02:54open up a conversation to, to educate. So it became more normal for, for, for, so it wasn't
02:59a stressful situation. I, I totally agree with you, but we felt that it shouldn't be done
03:03in the environment of the school. We should be done out of the school. These things have
03:06to be dealt with out of school. They are at school, aren't they? I guess. That's the thing
03:09they're spending... It's a major part of that child's life. It's, it's, it's where they spend
03:11most of their time. Yeah. But then you're imposing that on all the other children.
03:15Why is it an imposition? Because you are asking them. They know that one day they know that
03:20child, that they're the friends, they're a boy, this is their name. And now you're saying,
03:23no, you have to, you have to now call them, uh, he, she, uh, change the pronoun, change
03:30the name. There'll be a lot of people who are, who are saying that children adapt remarkably
03:35well. Um, and, uh, and, uh, they, if they're, if things are explained to them, then they understand
03:41very clearly. It's not an issue with the, with the children. It's an issue with you. You're
03:45the ones that have the problem, not the children. Well, how do you deal with a child then? Because
03:50what the, one of the children comes sometimes as a boy, sometimes as a girl. So how do you
03:55address that? How do you address that every day? And then, and, and, and what about if
03:59there's a situation where, you know, that they're supposedly supposed to use the correct pronoun
04:03and they don't? Will the child, will the other children get chastised for that? It's a, it's
04:08a very social complex issue. And we just feel that for such young children, it, it, it's,
04:14it's not right. So what's, what's the answer then? Because if this child that is transitioning
04:19or deciding to explore or being fluid or whatever they, whatever they decide to say, if they're,
04:24if they're going through this in their life, to keep other parents and other children happy,
04:28should they just be hidden away, taken to a school where they can go where they want and
04:33just be? No, I think it's really, we've really got to understand something here. We're talking
04:36about children and they are all special and unique. And the parents, you know, they want
04:41to do the best for their children. Which is what that parent was doing, I guess. I agree.
04:45I mean, that's what they would say. That would be their argument. Absolutely, they would say
04:49that. But we personally felt that they probably received the wrong advice. I think also there's
04:54a, a great sort of media thing where they're trying to, trying to push this and that it's,
05:00that it's a good thing. But I think there's more to it. I think there's, you know, we need
05:03to look at the scientific evidence behind it and, you know, whether this is actually healthy.
05:08And as I said, the statistic that most... I don't think media's pushing it. I think media's
05:11recognising it for the first time. It's like, it's, it's the same sort of situation,
05:15you know, as a child who years ago would have been terrified, chastised for coming out as
05:23gay. And maybe, would you have been part of those parents who said, well, not in my school,
05:28because things move on. People, people change. Well, attitudes change. We, we're less medieval
05:34now than we used to be. Attitudes do change. And actually, I mean, you've got a point there.
05:39I think society, you know, is going to have to decide. I think there are many parents throughout
05:43the... I mean, the reason we stood up, wanted to make a stand for this, we believe there are many,
05:48many parents throughout the whole UK who would be concerned with that. But at the end of the day,
05:53it looks like, well, society's going to decide how, how, how school's going to be. But I just
05:58want to make a point that how far is it going to go? Are we going to allow children then
06:01to come
06:02dressed as animals? Or if, I mean, there's things called, I mean, this is extreme, I agree. You know,
06:06for example, species dysphoria. Are we going to then, you know, allow children then to come
06:09in because they believe they're an animal sign? I think, how's that going to affect the other
06:13children? I think we've got to think about the whole picture. We've got to think about
06:17all the other kids.
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