00:00Day 13 ng impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte.
00:04Sa muning pagtistigo ni dating State Auditor Attorney Roderick Wamil,
00:08kunisyo ni Sen. Judge Amy Marcos,
00:10kung may pananagutan nga ba si Vice President Sara Duterte,
00:14gayong hindi naman ang BC ang mismong may hawak ng confidential funds.
00:18May report si Joseph Moro.
00:22Tinanong ni Sen. Judge Amy Marcos,
00:24dating State Auditor Attorney Roderick Wamil,
00:27kung may pananagutan nga ba si Vice President Sara Duterte
00:30sa hindi wasong pag-liquidate ng confidential funds ng OVP at DEPED.
00:34Nauna kasing sinabi ni Wamil na batay sa panuntunan ng COA,
00:38ipinagpapalagay na naggamit ng pera sa personal na bagay
00:41kung hindi ito na-liquidate ng maayos.
00:44Ang liwa-liwanag na hindi naman si Vice President ang payee.
00:49Hindi naman sinasabi na nasa kanya yung pera.
00:52Ang liwanag sa inyong joint circular,
00:55that the special dispersing officer is the one who was designated
01:01by the head of agency to have custody, di ba?
01:05And in the case of the OVP, si Acosta yun.
01:09In the case of DEPED, hindi ba si Faharda yun?
01:12That is not entirely correct, po, Your Honor.
01:15Because under the joint circular, it shall be the responsibility
01:18of the head of the agency first to approve yung cash advance.
01:22Pangalawa, to oversee yung agency-wide utilization.
01:25Pangalawa, to ensure compliance with the joint circular.
01:28And also po, inattest din po ni OVP yung...
01:33An responsive po, is there a co-finding na ninakaw ang confidential funds
01:39doon sa various AOMs and notice?
01:43Meron bang sinasabi doon na ninakaw?
01:45It was stolen?
01:46There is a prima-fasci evidence na nagamit po siya
01:50for personal use or benefit under the joint circular.
01:52Git ni Wamil, pananagutan ng pinuno ng ahensya ng gobyerno
01:56na matiyak na nagamit ng tama ang pondo ng opisina niya.
01:59Ang sabi doon, head of agency or person designated.
02:06Oo, ang liwanag sa definition ng joint circular.
02:10Mag-yes or no ka lang.
02:11Kanina ka pa, inaaway mo ko lagi.
02:13Sorry po, Your Honor.
02:15But hindi po ako pwedeng mag-answer categorically
02:17since yun nga po yung provision.
02:18Lumabas din sa pagdinig na ipinababalik ng COA
02:21sa Office of the Vice President
02:22ang mahigit 73 million pesos na pera ng gobyerno.
02:26Hindi daw kasi nakapagpakita ang OVP ng pruweba
02:29ng pinagkagastusan ng pondo.
02:31Kapag naging final na po,
02:33yung level pa lang po ng COA,
02:35ay dapat na po siyang bayaran.
02:37Even if there is a pending petition with the Supreme Court,
02:40hindi po siya may-stay unless may TRO.
02:43Pagkisiwalat pa ni Wamil,
02:45imbes na official receipts mula sa mga pinagbilhan,
02:48acknowledgement receipts o papel na pinapipirmahan
02:50sa taong tumanggap ng cash o in-kind lamang
02:53ang ipinasan ng OVP.
02:54Masasabi mo bang standard practice yan
02:58ng iba pang mga ahensyang iyong na audit?
03:03Hindi ko po siyang masasabing standard practice
03:06since ito po yung kauna-unang beses
03:08na puro AR po yung sinamit sa amin.
03:10Ang OVP lamang din daw ang naranasan ni Wamil
03:13na tumangging tanggapin ang unang audit observation memo
03:16na naglalaman ng mga paglabag sa liquidation rules.
03:20Wala ito po mag-i-receipt.
03:21Nangyayari ba yan na hindi tinatanggap ng ahensya?
03:23Yan po yung first time na nangyayari po, Your Honor.
03:27So that's unusual?
03:28Yes po, that's unusual po.
03:30Dagdag pa ni Wamil sa pulong ng OVP at COA
03:32noong September 2023.
03:34Hinilin ang kampo ng BSE na imbes na audit observation memo,
03:38baka pwedeng audit query na lamang ang ibigay sa kanila.
03:41Tamanggiraw ang COA dahil labas ito sa proseso.
03:44Kasama niya sa pulong na yun
03:45ang defense counsel ng BSE na si Atty. Michael Poa.
03:49Hindi ko pa conflict of interest yun para siya ay mag-represent dito ngayon
04:00sa ano natin, pinag-uusapang confidential funds
04:04when in fact, e siya mismo pumunta doon sa COA office
04:09para makipag-uusap sa kanila.
04:12I believe there is no conflict with respect to that
04:14given that he is not the one in trial in this case.
04:18If you could just give me maybe two minutes
04:20to just give context to that meeting.
04:23Unfortunately, counsel, no.
04:24You will have the appropriate opportunity
04:26during your presentation of evidence.
04:28Natanong naman ng GMA News si Atty. Poa
04:31kung hiniling ba talaga nila sa COA
04:33na magkaroon ng audit query.
04:35Wala namang masamang nangyari doon
04:36and nabanggit ko na rin kahapon
04:38that it was actually COA IKVAU that asked for that meeting.
04:41Nasabi naman ng testigo
04:42that we were just there to clarify guidelines.
04:44So syempre ang posisyon namin
04:45kung kaklarify lang naman yung guidelines
04:47bakit hindi audit query, diba,
04:50ang gawin nila.
04:51Pinagbigyan naman ng Senate Impeachment Court
04:53ang hiling ng prosekusyon
04:54na bigyan ng judicial notice
04:56ang mga pagdinig sa Kamara
04:58na naging basihan ng Articles of Impeachment
05:00laban sa BISE.
05:01Ibig sabihin,
05:02tatanggapin na ng Korte bilang fact
05:04ang mga lumabas sa pagdinig
05:06ng Quad Committee
05:07at House Justice Committee noon
05:08at hindi na kailangang patunayan pa.
05:11Mas mapapabilis daw kasi nito
05:12ang paglilitis.
05:13Pagkontra ng depensa,
05:15hindi ito dapat otomatikong gawing ebidensya
05:17sa Senate Impeachment Court.
05:19Dapat din umunumbigyan
05:20ng pagkakataon ng kampo ng BISE
05:22na i-cross-examine
05:23ang mga nasa likod ng ebidensya
05:25gaya na video recordings
05:26at committee reports.
05:27There remain assertions
05:29that must be proven by evidence.
05:32It is not a substitute
05:33for the presentation
05:34and formal offer
05:35of competent evidence
05:36nor does it dispense
05:38with the applicable rules
05:39on authentication,
05:41hearsay,
05:41relevance,
05:42and the right of the respondent
05:43to object and confront
05:44the evidence presented
05:45against her.
05:47Joseph Morong, Jimmy News.
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