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00:00Good, um, I prefer not to be filmed, thank you.
00:02Well then maybe you shouldn't walk up to a camera guy.
00:04Alrighty, well, um, sir, I will call the police if I have to.
00:08I have people complaining, it's illegal to...
00:10No it's not. And go ahead and please call them,
00:12because I'd like you to be educated, because I'm working on an educational video.
00:15So if you call them, they will come and educate you, not me.
00:18Okay, I'm getting several staff and customer complaints,
00:21so I was just going to ask you kindly to stop filming in front of our store.
00:25You can ask.
00:26I'm asking.
00:27I heard you. But I'm not going to stop recording, sorry.
00:29Got it.
00:37Wow, I've only been out here like two minutes.
00:39I understand. I wouldn't have said anything, but I have to abide by everyone else's complaints.
00:43That's fine, but you realize I'm in public, right? I'm on a public sidewalk?
00:47No, it's fine.
01:02No, it's fine.
01:18All right.
01:36All right, someone's on the way so you can talk to them.
01:39Actually, they're not going to talk to me at all.
01:40They'll just talk to you.
01:41All right.
01:42Let me ask you a question.
01:43What makes you think that you can tell somebody on a public sidewalk what to do?
01:48I'm sorry?
01:49What makes you think that you have...
01:50That you can tell anybody on a public sidewalk what to do?
01:53I want to get my job, thank you.
01:54Well, your job's inside, not on the sidewalk.
01:57My job is on the entire property.
01:59This is not your property.
02:03Don't do it.
02:04You know, I go to the Vita section.
02:06Right.
02:08I'm not almost.
02:09I don't...
02:11Can you not tell me what to do?
02:13I'm not almost.
02:14I'm not.
02:16Of course I am.
02:17Are you not?
02:19Oh, wait, wait.
02:19Oh, wait.
02:21Just a shot.
02:24Hey.
02:25Come on.
02:25Let's go around.
02:26We're just going to check on you.
02:27That was the chair.
02:28Yeah.
02:30Exactly.
02:32No.
02:32You could do it.
02:33That was good.
02:36Perfect.
02:37Perfect.
02:40They're back there.
02:50Who are you looking for?
02:50Who are you looking for?
02:52Well, I'm looking for you.
02:55Hello.
02:56How are you today?
02:57I'm great.
02:57How are you?
02:58I'm doing wonderful.
02:59You're wonderful.
02:59Enjoying this day, Monica.
03:01Right?
03:01Exactly.
03:02Looking for beautiful women like yourself.
03:05Have a great day.
03:19Nice to meet you.
03:21Good luck with everything.
03:22Oh, maybe the police are here.
03:24Let's find out.
03:51The police are here.
03:56They're in public.
03:59They're in public.
04:00Should we just come to play more children?
04:03Do you know what I'm waiting for?
04:04Can I have staff?
04:04Is also not going to be, they're going to restart my news, because they're like, oh mhm.
04:09They're zooming in on our faces.
04:20Why is it unfortunate?
04:24No, I know I generally don't like TV films.
04:26Right.
04:29Okay, because as long as he's on sidewalk, it's considered public property, right?
04:34Right.
04:37Sure.
04:38And what he's like doing is trying to push to get a reaction out of business or people.
04:41Oh, no, definitely.
04:42I can tell him he's just filming people to get people to say, hey, I don't want to be filmed.
04:46So you can get a reaction.
04:47So just advise your staff.
04:48I didn't know it's unfortunate, but maybe announce the license.
04:50Okay.
04:51Okay.
04:52All right.
04:53If you need to announce that, that's it.
04:54Sure.
04:54All right.
04:55Take care.
04:57See, now, what did I tell you?
04:58I told you if you called the police, they're going to talk to you and not me.
05:00You can do whatever you want.
05:01You can do whatever you want.
05:01You can do whatever you want.
05:01You can do whatever you want.
05:13Let's just stand here for a minute and watch her do the walk of shame.
05:20So satisfying.
05:25And we'll just watch as these guys drive away.
05:33And off they go.
05:38Good policing.
05:39Just wish you didn't say unfortunate.
05:43And now they're back.
05:44What did they do?
05:45Just drive around the block?
05:49They came to check things out.
05:51And they are just taken off as well.
05:53Gave me the peace sign as they drove by.
05:57Guy just pulled up here.
05:59Right into the red zone.
06:02Also an Uber driver.
06:04But he's actually blocking traffic.
06:08There's not really much room for people to go around him on this road.
06:13Too bad the police still aren't here.
06:15Guy in the red zone, maybe they would have chased him away.
06:30Looks like he's one of those Uber drivers that doesn't even have a phone mount in his car.
06:34He just looks down the entire time he's driving for directions.
06:47See, there's a happy driver.
06:54What are you doing?
06:56Just using my camera.
06:58Are you taking a picture of me?
07:00I'm not taking pictures.
07:01I'm doing video.
07:02No?
07:02I'd prefer you to not use my image.
07:05Okay.
07:09But we're in public.
07:10You realize that, right?
07:10I know, but you don't have the right to take my image.
07:13Actually, in public I do.
07:14If we were in a private place, that would be different.
07:16Oh, that's interesting.
07:17Because I was always told that you would require the permission to use any of those.
07:21Not in public.
07:28How's it going today?
07:29Fine, but please don't tell me.
07:31Please don't tell me what to do.
07:36I'm in the way.
07:37Absolutely.
07:38Hey!
07:39That's assault.
07:40That's assault, buddy.
07:40You can't touch me.
07:42Give him back his property.
07:43Give him back his property.
07:44Give me back my property right now.
07:45I didn't touch anybody.
07:46Give me back my property.
07:47That's assault.
07:48Give me back that property right now.
07:49That's assault.
07:50Give it back to me right now.
07:51That's assault.
07:52You cannot assault innocent people.
07:54You're using your white privilege right now to assault me.
07:56How dare you?
07:57Don't put your hands on him.
07:58How dare you?
07:59Give me my microphone now.
08:00You're using your white privilege.
08:02Get out of here.
08:02Don't put your hands on him.
08:04You're using violence.
08:05We're against violence here.
08:06And you're using violence on me?
08:07He's violent.
08:08You're using violence against me with your white privilege?
08:10I don't care.
08:10I'm asking a question.
08:11I'm trying to solve gun violence.
08:12And you assault me?
08:13You assault me?
08:14Call the police.
08:14Call the police.
08:15He took his property.
08:16I am.
08:18He took his property.
08:19Someone tells you to get out of here.
08:20Give me my motherfucking microphone.
08:22Wait, that's my property.
08:23Honey, honey.
08:23You assaulted me.
08:24That's my property.
08:26No.
08:26No, you have no rights.
08:28No, you have no rights.
08:29Give me my property.
08:30You have no rights.
08:32That's assault.
08:33That's assault.
08:35We're here to be against violence.
08:37I'm going to assault you.
08:37Oh, is that a quick solution to gun violence?
08:39You're just going to fight me?
08:40Are you going to punch me?
08:41What are you going to do?
08:42What are you going to do?
08:42What are you going to do?
08:42Somebody says get out of here.
08:43Right?
08:43Get out of here.
08:44He's anti-gun, but he's violent.
08:46Oh, chill, dog.
08:47Just fucking leave, you asshole.
08:48Chill, dog.
08:49Just fucking leave, you asshole.
08:50Just fucking leave, you asshole.
08:51Asshole.
08:51Yep, leave.
08:53We're citizen journalists.
08:54Have some respect.
08:55Have some respect.
08:57You just back off.
08:57No, he needs to back off.
08:58He's assaulted.
08:59He assaulted my friend.
09:00Yeah, he does.
09:01He assaulted my friend.
09:02You don't want any of that.
09:03That's assault.
09:04That's actually fact.
09:05No, it's okay.
09:05Pat, what do you think we can do about the epidemic of violence?
09:07Sorry, I can't talk right now because I'm about to get started.
09:09I just wanted to apologize.
09:11And I know, like, you know, you guys really have a right to be here, so get the fuck out
09:15of my face.
09:16Why are we being rude?
09:18And I know, like, you know, you guys really have a right to be here, so I appreciate
09:21that.
09:23And I'm sorry that you're out of here.
09:24Absolutely out of hand.
09:25No, listen.
09:25I've actually been here.
09:26I know you know some of my friends.
09:27I know you represent myself.
09:28I've been wanting to talk to you for a while about a number of things.
09:31I can't talk right now, but I would love to talk to you after.
09:33We will follow up on that.
09:33Whoa.
09:35Well, there's sure people here.
09:37And that's the interesting thing.
09:38And we have this guy here.
09:39We have ABC6, and they're focusing on us.
09:41ABC6 is really interesting, too.
09:42This woman right here, she is not ashamed to work for the big pharmaceutical companies.
09:47This woman right here, she gets her paychecks from Big Pharma.
09:50She gets her paychecks from the Sinclair Broadcast Group.
09:52And she also gets her paychecks from humongous large corporations that profit off these very tragedies.
09:57And she doesn't care.
09:58She's got way too much makeup on.
09:59And she's working.
09:59She's working as a shill for all these large corporations.
10:02She doesn't care about integrity.
10:03She doesn't care about being a journalist.
10:04She doesn't care at all.
10:05She just pimps herself out for these big pharma companies.
10:08She just pimps herself out for these big pharma companies.
10:10Fake news.
10:11Totally fake.
10:12This lady's a shill for big pharma.
10:15Good luck.
10:16Good luck.
10:16You're going to be famous.
10:18Alright?
10:19You're going to be famous.
10:20Sir.
10:20No.
10:21It's freedom of speech.
10:22We're all here to deliver a message.
10:23But sir, I just talked to his wife.
10:26And she felt very threatened with the microphone in her face.
10:30And so he was merely protecting her.
10:30He did not put it on her face.
10:31He was merely protecting her.
10:32He did not put it on her face.
10:33He was asking her a question.
10:34And there's no reason for him to behave that way.
10:37I've never done anything violent to anybody.
10:39I'm sorry.
10:40I used to work as a crisis interventionist.
10:43No, I'm glad that you did that.
10:43I just wanted to protect you.
10:45Intimidate you?
10:45Yeah.
10:46How does my camera intimidate you?
10:47Because you're taking pictures of us.
10:49Which you're going to show to a hundred thousands of people, right?
10:51Well, you're exercising your First Amendment right, correct?
10:53By being here?
10:54Yeah.
10:54So am I.
10:55We have freedom of the press.
10:56It's a First Amendment protected activity.
10:58Isn't it, camera guy?
11:01First Amendment.
11:03First Amendment.
11:04Just because I don't have a billion dollars.
11:06And a huge building.
11:08And a $10,000 camera doesn't mean anything.
11:12Why?
11:13Because I get more viewers than them that actually have the money for it.
11:18You should care because you're in public.
11:20You're nuts.
11:21I'm sorry?
11:22I said, and all your viewers are nuts.
11:23All my viewers are nuts?
11:25I said, and all your viewers are nuts.
11:26All my viewers are nuts?
11:28Just like you.
11:29Why?
11:29Oh, really?
11:29Why am I crazy?
11:31Because you're anti-democratic and you're a sociopath.
11:34You have no clue about anything that I believe in.
11:37Well, why would you be here?
11:39Please keep your distance.
11:40Why don't you keep yours and get out of here?
11:42Please keep your distance.
11:43Why don't you keep your distance?
11:44Please keep your distance.
11:45You see what I'm saying?
11:47You're nuts.
11:48You're nuts.
11:50Jesus Christ.
11:59I've never seen so many people, so many violent people together in one place.
12:03That's for sure.
12:04No, we can't wait to exercise.
12:06I can say anything.
12:08I can't reach out and rip something off from you.
12:11That's right.
12:11That's right.
12:13And she just violated my personal space.
12:14And this guy, it's so funny because we're at a place of non-violence and he's looking
12:17up for the guy who's violent.
12:17Are you drunk?
12:19Are you drunk?
12:20Your personal space?
12:22That's right.
12:22We're violating our personal space.
12:32He is not.
12:34I'm not violating.
12:35He's not violating your space.
12:36No.
12:37I'm not doing anything to anyone here except videotaping.
12:39And I think we should just calm down and stop being so calm down.
12:41Let's go on to the other side.
12:42Let's take a little walk.
12:44What?
12:44I'm very calm.
12:45Okay, but what you just said is very provocative.
12:47No, you're not.
12:48You were trying to intimidate me.
12:50Yeah.
12:52Yes, you were.
13:04Yes, Mike, how are you?
13:06Quick question.
13:06What do you think we can do to end the gun violence that's going on here in the United
13:09States?
13:11I think we need to...
13:14I don't really want to talk to you right now.
13:16I know you never want to talk to me, but that doesn't mean I'm going to quit.
13:18And let me tell you, let me tell you.
13:19I honestly, I honestly want to solve the problem.
13:22I don't think, I mean, you guys might call me crazy or whatever I am.
13:24Well, I've never met you and I would be actually really game to have a conversation.
13:27You have met me before.
13:28I've actually talked to you on video and I've emailed you and called your office several
13:30times.
13:31I have it on my YouTube page.
13:32I spoke to you in Google.
13:34Thanks for interrupting our conversation.
13:35She's elected representative.
13:36That's okay.
13:37I don't do.
13:38Wow, disrespectful.
13:40How are you?
13:41There's nothing but disrespectful people here.
13:43Some violence?
13:44What's the solution?
13:45Thank you for being here.
13:46Do you think avoiding conversation is the solution?
13:48Avoiding is having stronger sense gun laws to ensure that guns are not in the hands of
13:51the wrong people.
13:52Okay, one follow up question.
13:53I will leave you alone.
13:54All right.
13:54How about you?
13:54I'm going to give you another one.
13:55Okay, let me just ask you one follow up question.
13:56I promise I'll leave you alone.
13:58I agree with you, right?
13:59But what's to stop criminals from following laws?
14:02Last I checked, there was a law against rape, murder, and drugs, but people still do
14:04that.
14:04Do you think that these laws will be tough enough that a criminal will say, oh shoot, there's
14:07a law, I'm going to stop?
14:07So why should we make it more easy for criminals to have access to guns?
14:11So if we have stronger sense gun laws, it'll be much easier, it'll be much harder for these
14:15criminals to actually get access to these guns.
14:17And what makes someone a criminal?
14:19Someone is not born a criminal.
14:20Things happen in their lives that may cause them to do certain things.
14:22You're a criminal if you commit a crime.
14:23If you commit a crime, but there are things in certain communities, socio-economical
14:29health, education.
14:30But what we can do is that we can make sure that we implement stronger sense gun laws to
14:36prevent whoever from getting access to certain high capacity weapons.
14:42That should not be on the streets.
14:44I appreciate your time.
14:44I would respectfully disagree that criminals aren't going to follow the law because the
14:46last two shootings in California, they already had a law and it happened.
14:49But I appreciate you at least making sure.
14:50Criminals don't follow the law, right?
14:52You can ban weapons all you want.
14:53The last two shootings that happened in California, they banned that type of weapon.
14:55It still happened.
14:56In England, there's no guns whatsoever, but people get acid in their face and stabbed.
14:59Sir, what do you think we can do about the epidemic of gun violence?
15:01I think we can do a lot of things.
15:03What's your first take?
15:03What's the most important thing?
15:04Well, I think the most important thing would be to follow the Massachusetts laws that
15:08were passed.
15:09Massachusetts is now the lowest gun fatality rate in the nation because it's passed laws
15:14that are common sense.
15:15I'm a gun owner.
15:16As a gun owner, I think that there are certain restrictions that can be placed on people to keep
15:22people from being killed.
15:24And the common thing I'll hear back is that criminals don't follow laws anyways.
15:27So you can pass a bunch of laws and there's still...
15:29Good.
15:30How are you doing?
15:30Do you think that a criminal would get a second thought to murder somebody based on a law?
15:36Well, you know, if you can't get in the South West and you can't use it to kill people.
15:39Are you familiar with the black market service?
15:41I'm very familiar with the black market service.
15:43In Australia, there's a gun ban, but they get guns in there.
15:45So people can only get them.
15:47How many people have been killed in national shootings in Australia?
15:50Well, actually, there's...
15:51How many people have been killed by guns in Australia over the past 20 years?
15:54Quite a bit. What's happened is...
15:55How many? Tell me. You say quite a bit.
15:57I don't know the statistics off my top of my head, but you know what happened since then?
15:59The motorcycle gangs...
16:00You want to know the statistics?
16:01The statistics are that nearly none.
16:04But do you know who've been killed? How many people get killed in the United States from guns?
16:06Please don't talk to me.
16:07Do you know how many people die from guns in the United States?
16:09A hundred a freaking day.
16:10Sure.
16:11Not a hundred in a year die in Australia.
16:12So how do you figure that out?
16:13Okay, so what I'm trying to say to you, sir, is...
16:15I know what you're trying to say, but you're not making any sense.
16:18What I'm saying is...
16:18Are there still murders in Australia, sir?
16:20Yeah, there are.
16:21Okay, so people use other means other than guns, right?
16:23You ever hear of a drive-by knife thing?
16:24In England?
16:25How many people get killed in drive-by knifing?
16:26In England, yesterday, sir.
16:27How many people die from a knifing in Australia?
16:30How many people die in the United States?
16:31How many people in the United States die from a drive-by shooting?
16:33How many people in the United States die from a drive-by shooting?
16:35How many?
16:36You're the fat guy.
16:36You're the fat guy.
16:37You want to call...
16:37There's a hundred a day that die from shootings.
16:39I'm talking about drive-bys.
16:40That's the point you brought up.
16:41That's the point I'm bringing up.
16:41But drive-bys can be anything.
16:43I mean, the guy that drove...
16:44So then that's a moot point.
16:45Don't bring that point up.
16:46Then don't bring that point up, because that's a moot point.
16:47It's moot in your mind, because you haven't got the capacity to understand the way gun violence really works in
16:53America.
16:53I happen to have a good understanding of how gun violence works.
16:58We have over 300 million guns in possession of citizens of this country.
17:03We have, by far, the highest gun fatality rate of any nation, any nation in the world.
17:08Let's just say you ban all of us.
17:09Let's say hypothetically you ban all of us.
17:11I know you're not.
17:12So why are you saying that?
17:13I'm saying hypothetically.
17:13What I'm saying is hypothetically.
17:15We're having a conversation.
17:16We can talk for whatever we want.
17:17But everybody just speak along with us, okay?
17:19These words are written by Cheryl Wheeler.
17:21You know Cheryl?
17:22Nice local.
17:24I haven't had a conversation with you here.
17:25I haven't had a conversation with you here.
17:25I haven't had a conversation with you here.
17:26No.
17:27And it's called...
17:28We're up to me.
17:29I'm Jody.
17:29I would like to welcome up our incredible U.S. congressman.
17:34Congressman David Cicilline, who has been an unrelenting...
17:38Boo!
17:40Boo!
17:41Boo!
17:43Thank you very much.
17:44Thank you everyone for being here.
17:45The problem is one in five guns are sold without a background check.
17:49It's a huge loophole.
17:50So that legislation, which the House passed in a bipartisan way, is sitting on Mitch McConnell's desk.
17:54I don't have to be insulting my car.
17:55Leave.
17:56Are you a sergeant?
17:57I am a sergeant.
17:57Yes I am.
17:58What do you mean I have?
17:59What is wrong with that?
18:00You don't need to be taking photographs of the insides of our cars.
18:02Why not?
18:03Because...
18:03Is that illegal?
18:04No, you don't need to be doing...
18:05Seeing what we have on the inside of our cars.
18:07You can...
18:07You guys got something to hide in there?
18:08No, you can please leave now, sir.
18:10Alright, you're asking me to leave, but I'm...
18:11I'm gonna politely decline, respectfully.
18:14I'm not doing anything illegal.
18:15I'm just taking some photographs on you.
18:16You don't need...
18:17You can take photographs of the outsides of the cars, and then you can leave.
18:20You guys got your body cans on?
18:21Yes I do.
18:22What's your name?
18:22Sergeant Dietzen.
18:23Sergeant Dietzen, you got a badge number, or an ID number, or a shield number?
18:26My name is Sergeant Dietzen.
18:27Can you please leave me?
18:28You got a name and a badge number here?
18:29It's right there.
18:306-3?
18:31No.
18:3275.
18:33Oh, it sure says 6-3 on it.
18:34It's for somebody else.
18:36Alright.
18:36Alright.
18:43I don't want to tell you about the issues.
18:44I'm just taking some photos.
18:45That's fine.
18:45That's cool.
18:54Excuse me.
18:54No.
18:54I'm just trying to take some photos.
18:55Yeah, and you don't have to take photos of the insides of my cars.
18:58What?
18:58What is the issue with it?
19:00What is the issue with that interior identity?
19:01What do you guys got to hide in here?
19:05Is there something in these cars?
19:06I mean, you keep our cars pretty clean.
19:08That's pretty cool.
19:09I like that.
19:10What are your problems?
19:13Hmm?
19:13Thanks for asking.
19:14Auditing Erie County continues to inspect our vehicles, with the bullies following closely
19:18behind.
19:19Whoa.
19:20He goes inside to get an officer complaint form and a FOIL request form.
19:24In New York, the open records law is called the Freedom of Information Law, F-O-I-L.
19:28Yeah, can I get an officer complaint form and a FOIL request form?
19:33I can give you a FOIL request form.
19:35The complaint form, we don't have.
19:38What do you mean you don't have?
19:39What would you like to make a complaint with?
19:41I'd like an officer complaint form.
19:45I'd like an officer complaint form.
19:46Alright.
19:47They deny him an officer complaint form and tell him if he needs to make a complaint, he
19:51has to go to one of the bullies that he needs to make a complaint about.
19:54This is an age-old tactic used by departments everywhere to make sure that complaints on bad
19:58cops never actually make it into their official files.
20:01Even mainstream media outlets did a story on this tactic years ago, going into departments
20:05with hidden cameras asking for complaint forms, consistently being told that they have
20:09to talk to a supervisor and then being bullied by the supervisor into not making a complaint.
20:14Sorry, did you say I talked to you about getting an officer complaint form?
20:17Okay.
20:18Can I get one?
20:18I don't have an officer complaint form.
20:20How do I get an officer complaint form?
20:22What do you have a complaint about?
20:23I'd like an officer complaint form to take home.
20:25We don't have an issue to do that.
20:26What do you mean?
20:27You don't have the paperwork to do it?
20:29Do you guys have officer complaint forms?
20:31Never heard of one?
20:32We don't have one, no.
20:33What do you do if someone has a complaint against an officer?
20:36They tell me what the complaint is.
20:37And then you put it on a form?
20:38It's documented.
20:39Is it on a specific form though?
20:41No.
20:41So there's no form?
20:42I didn't say there was no form.
20:43Do you guys have officer complaint forms?
20:45No.
20:46Never heard of one?
20:47We don't have one, no.
20:48Because I'm going to foil it.
20:49If you don't want to give it to me, that's fine.
20:50I don't...
20:51What is your complaint?
20:52I would like to take an officer complaint form home.
20:54That's all I want.
20:55We don't have a form to give you to release home.
20:57Why not?
20:58Because we don't have that.
20:59So a person has to come here, file a complaint with a person in person.
21:02There's no other way around that?
21:04Yes.
21:04There's no officer complaint forms available online?
21:05Nothing like that?
21:06No, sir.
21:06Hmm.
21:08I've seen this system before.
21:09It seems a little tilted where people are more intimidated to come get a form.
21:14So the form that you would fill out if somebody filled it out with you, can I get one of
21:19those forms?
21:19No.
21:20We don't have a form to give you, sir.
21:22If I had one, I would be more happy to give it to.
21:24But we do not have one.
21:25Well, Erie County, as you can see, this is the way they do it down here in Dunkirk, New York.
21:30No officer complaint forms available to the public.
21:32They have a FOIL request form.
21:34So we will eventually get that document I'm asking for.
21:36On September 2nd, 2021, a few days later, Auditing Erie County returns to Dunkirk Police Department to put in the
21:42FOIL request,
21:42asking for the official complaint form, the complaint process, the body cams that the officers he dealt with that day,
21:48and the complaint record of the cops that he dealt with that day.
21:51This is one of the reasons it's important to video document every single one of your interactions with government employees.
21:57Mysteriously, this open records request will disappear.
22:04Down here today, I submitted the FOIL request that you guys just seen on the 2nd, it is the 17th.
22:08I have called down here a few times to get a clarification.
22:11They ignored my FOIL request as of so far.
22:14They have not acknowledged that there's a FOIL request pending.
22:17By law, they have five days.
22:19They had five, ten business days, which is a lot longer than that.
22:22So I'll go down here and see who we can talk to about it.
22:24I've talked to them on the phone a few times, and they are not very responsive.
22:27They send me voicemails and they don't really get anywhere, so.
22:32Can I help you?
22:33Let's see if I can possibly speak to the captain.
22:36How you doing?
22:36How you doing?
22:38I'm Dan.
22:39I filled out some FOIL request form.
22:41I submitted it on the 2nd by law.
22:43You guys are supposed to respond to it within five days.
22:46And then it's been ten days.
22:48I haven't heard back.
22:49I made a few phone calls down here.
22:50They don't really get anywhere more than putting on a voicemail.
22:52No phone calls back.
22:53I'm just wondering what's going on.
22:55Is there any way we could track down this FOIL request and admit that we got it and get that
22:58admission?
22:59Any kind of FOIL request goes to the chief's office.
23:01He's not here?
23:02He's not here today.
23:02Nobody in the office?
23:03The secretary could be in the office.
23:06It goes through the chief.
23:07So if he signed it or approved it, that's above my pay grade.
23:10He's the only one that works.
23:11I understand that.
23:11But my point is that by law, you guys are supposed to respond to it within five days.
23:16It's been ten business days or 14 days in total.
23:20You guys are in violation of New York State law about my FOIL request.
23:23I'm just down here to get some clarification.
23:25So anything you can give me.
23:26I can't clarify that you've been put in a FOIL request.
23:28That doesn't go through me.
23:29That goes right to the chief's office.
23:30The chief secretary can't locate the paperwork and say it's here.
23:34We got it.
23:34I would talk with the chief.
23:36He'll be here on Monday morning if that's what you want to do.
23:40There's no way I can talk to the secretary here and you can find out she's got the paper
23:43so I can be on my way and I can get my acknowledgement that you guys are overdue by five
23:47days by law.
23:48You guys are in violation of law right now.
23:50I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass, but I'm just looking for the public records that I'm
23:53requesting.
23:53That happens on that side of the hallway so nobody on the side of the hallway will even know that
23:58you put in a FOIL request.
23:59Yeah, I mean I handed it through this window.
24:01And that goes right to the chief's office.
24:02Yeah, I understand.
24:03So I wouldn't know.
24:04Can we call over there and just locate the sheet and find out or no?
24:07I can ask.
24:08I appreciate it.
24:09Just to find out if they have it, they can acknowledge they have it, then we can get that five
24:12days over with.
24:14There was a FOIL request and they're calling the chief because no one on this side knows what's going on.
24:20The secretary wasn't sure.
24:21He says there's nothing to release to you.
24:23He says there's nothing to release to you.
24:25So he's denying my...
24:26Yes.
24:27So now I have to write an appeal and take you guys to court then?
24:29Yes.
24:30That would be whatever the next step is.
24:33So he's not even going to formally deny it?
24:35He's just going to ignore it completely?
24:36Is this how this is going to work?
24:37He said that he's denying it.
24:39Yeah, but like he said it like...
24:41That's what he said to me.
24:42You've got to take care of that at a different level.
24:44This is patrol.
24:45But the secretary won't even speak to me right now.
24:47Well, because he's going to tell you the same thing.
24:49What were you guys going to tell me?
24:51I don't know when they're going to tell you you're missing.
24:53Okay, and until I get a written notice from them that you're a piece of shit and I can come
24:56on the property.
24:57Is that right?
24:57Is it between you and the manager or the civil matter?
24:59Yeah.
24:59Do you have any other questions?
24:59It is a civil matter, isn't it?
25:01Between you and them, yes.
25:02Yeah, it sure is.
25:03It sure is.
25:04And so you walked up there because I was actually standing right here on the easement in the rocks, right?
25:08This is an easement.
25:09Yeah, it is.
25:09You're an idiot.
25:10This is their property.
25:11This is why trash like you...
25:13This is why trash like you gets hurt.
25:15This is public.
25:16He's definitely on a public easement.
25:17You see those public utilities right there?
25:19You're an idiot.
25:20Yeah, I did.
25:21Follow you over there.
25:21What's that?
25:22What are you doing there?
25:23Going to follow you.
25:24Okay.
25:24And ask him if I could wash my car.
25:27Tell me what happened.
25:28What's her name again?
25:28Officer Shores.
25:28Officer Shores.
25:29Please, please call the Mesa Police Department right now.
25:32Officer Shores.
25:32Everybody call Mesa Police Department.
25:33Please call the Mesa Police Department right now.
25:35Officer Shores.
25:36See, I'm standing right here on the public easement.
25:39You guys are ridiculous.
25:41Relax, man.
25:41I never give you any problems and you guys constantly give me crap, dude.
25:44We're trying to be cool.
25:45Be cool with me, man.
25:46We're dealing with a guy over here.
25:48I get it.
25:48And I know what he did, too.
25:50I got no problem with that, man.
25:51I got no problem with what you're doing with him.
25:53Because I know what he did.
25:54Respect goes both ways.
25:55Just be cool with him.
25:55Yeah, but he went and asked them to trespass me while I was standing here recording, man.
25:59All right.
25:59Again, I got no problem with what you're doing over here.
26:01I know what he did to his girl.
26:03He's a coward.
26:04I get it, man.
26:04Okay.
26:04I got no problem with that.
26:05But he went.
26:07I get that.
26:09But you saw what he just did.
26:10He went and solicited.
26:11Oh, you're the sergeant.
26:12Yeah.
26:12Robert, are you his supervisor?
26:13Yes.
26:14Man, come on.
26:14Can we go undo that?
26:16That's ridiculous, dude.
26:17Are you his supervisor?
26:18I am.
26:18Then that's the guy you need to put the complaint in.
26:20Yeah.
26:21All right.
26:21Can we do a formal complaint right here on the spot, please?
26:23Yeah, let's do it.
26:23Let's do it.
26:24Are we in the middle of an investigation?
26:25Yeah.
26:26I'm investigating something.
26:27Why don't you guys wait right here?
26:28We will, sir.
26:28Let us deal with this gentleman first.
26:30And then we'll figure out what your problem is next.
26:31Okay?
26:32Is that fair?
26:33Officer Thomas Shores.
26:34I appreciate you being just cool and calm, Robertson.
26:37Well, what are we supposed to do?
26:38Are we fucked up?
26:39Hey, if it were always like this, I wouldn't have a problem with you guys ever.
26:42All right.
26:42Let's chill here for a minute, all right?
26:43All right.
26:44So we're good, right?
26:45Officer Thomas Shores is his name.
26:47All right.
26:48Let's chill here.
26:49I think we're going to transport you guys.
26:50You guys videotape all you want.
26:51Just do me a favor.
26:52Just give them some space.
26:53Yeah, sure.
26:54I always give you guys space.
26:56See, interference would be for me to physically get in the way of you actually doing what you
27:00need to do.
27:00Say you're about to walk up to a car to search it and I'm standing in front of the door
27:03blocking
27:03you.
27:03That's interference.
27:05You know what I mean?
27:06Listen.
27:07I mean, there's more perspectives than just your perspective.
27:10Right.
27:10There's the court's perspective.
27:11And there's the court's perspective.
27:12And that's the one that really matters.
27:13That's why we have courts.
27:14Right.
27:14And that's the one that really matters.
27:16So it's been played out again and again and again and again.
27:17That's a good one though.
27:18We're three deep out here.
27:19Yeah.
27:20And again, I got no problem with anything you guys came out here to do.
27:24I appreciate that you did it, man.
27:26We're talking about a female who needed help.
27:28This extra nice meeting.
27:29I'm coming down, Betsy.
27:30What's your name, Russ?
27:31I like it, man.
27:32Offside.
27:32How long have you been out here?
27:33What's your name?
27:34Officer Tommy Sower makes $77,000 a year.
27:37Officer, what is it?
27:39Height.
27:40Height.
27:40Officer Height.
27:42Jay.
27:44Throw hands, James.
27:45Jay Height, Betsy.
27:47Find out what he makes a year.
27:50What are you making of you?
27:52Base salary, I guess.
27:53Base salary?
27:55Around 60.
27:56Okay.
27:56You do a lot of overtime?
27:57Is that right?
27:58Uh, it'll tell me here in a minute.
28:00Alright.
28:01Probably 70 then maybe?
28:02I'm not lying.
28:03About 60.
28:03That sounds about right for Mesa.
28:05How long have you been with him?
28:06I'm a lateral officer.
28:07I'm not originally from Mesa.
28:08Officer Tommy Sower makes $77,000 a year.
28:11I'm not a...
28:12I know, right?
28:13I like the weather.
28:14Mesa, Arizona higher.
28:15Okay.
28:16As far as going through the academy and everything.
28:18Yeah.
28:19He's good, man.
28:20He's good.
28:20He's on the public sidewalk.
28:21He's not interfering.
28:22Please leave him alone.
28:22Please, please, please.
28:23I didn't know that they were moving.
28:24Yeah, yeah.
28:24So I'm just making sure that...
28:25Come on, man.
28:26Dude, we're professionals at...
28:28You guys tell me how to do my job.
28:30Yeah.
28:30That's the thing is, I don't come up here.
28:31I'm not coming up here and saying...
28:33I'm gonna come to your job and tell you how to do it.
28:34That's the thing.
28:35His job is to record.
28:36If I do something...
28:36That's not right.
28:37Put my motherfucking ass in cuss.
28:39Hey, man.
28:40Come on, man.
28:40But the thing is, his job is to record.
28:42We didn't come up and say,
28:43Hey, man, you shouldn't have beanbagged him.
28:44Hey, man, you shouldn't have tased him.
28:45You know, we didn't do that.
28:45I'm not telling you.
28:46You're not going anywhere.
28:47Right.
28:47And we're not telling you how to do it.
28:48We're just recording.
28:49Listen, so just like in your day-to-day, right?
28:52Are you perfect in everything that you do?
28:53Oh, hell no.
28:54Are you perfect in everything you do?
28:56Just ask my wife, man.
28:59Unless you ask my wife.
29:00Okay.
29:01So there's some room for growth and, you know, to grow as a person so that we all can co
29:07-exist
29:08in this world, right?
29:08Yeah.
29:09We all have work to do.
29:10Yeah.
29:11That's the thing.
29:12I won't tell you what to do and I gotta be able to get the shots, though.
29:15What's going on?
29:15He's getting transported.
29:16As long as you can film right here.
29:17Yeah.
29:17He's getting transported.
29:18He's going to go to the hospital.
29:19He's going to go get checked out.
29:20Yeah.
29:23He's got some medical issues because he was beating his girl.
29:25Check it out.
29:25That's fun.
29:26Knock yourself down.
29:29We got Joe Cool out here, by the way, guys.
29:31Joe Cool.
29:32Right here.
29:34I would have been here, actually.
29:35You got your street name now?
29:36Joe Cool?
29:36Yeah.
29:37He really is cool, though.
29:39What's your handle?
29:39I don't really go by one.
29:41What do you-
29:41On Tinder, I do.
29:43Or not Tinder, Grindr, the gay site.
29:45It's been over, right?
29:46Your decisions are your own decisions.
29:47I'm just kidding, dude.
29:48What is, like, what do you-
29:49I don't really go by one.
29:50I just roll around, man.
29:51So it's like Mesa Coppola?
29:52No.
29:53No, I don't really, I don't really go by a handle.
29:55I'll end up finding it.
29:56I just want to know, just make it easier.
29:58Yeah.
29:58I've been very open and honest with you.
30:00No, I know, but I don't want to brag about like, oh, I have a YouTube or a Facebook
30:03or a Tura.
30:04Everybody's always trying to get subscribers on their Insta, you know what I mean?
30:06I'll find it later.
30:07Cool.
30:07They got him.
30:08They solicited him to test pass on James.
30:11Yeah, it's all public, man.
30:12I just-
30:19So he just-
30:26So I do need to do the official-
30:28I gotta do the official complaint with Sarge.
30:30That's the guy you do it with.
30:31Guys, don't be mistaken by the casual conversation here either.
30:34These cops are still being overly controlling.
30:37Even during the conversation, you saw that he tried to give Spittin' Cobra arbitrary orders
30:42about where you can and can't be while he's recording.
30:44So long as you're not interfering with what's going on, you can be anywhere.
30:48The police have no legal or lawful right to dictate where you can or can't be, so long
30:54as you're not interfering.
30:55Furthermore, the sergeant said that he would take my complaint against his officer, but
30:59you're about to see how disingenuine that was.
31:01He couldn't care less, but he's very polite in his way that he blows me off.
31:06So we gotta do an official complaint, right?
31:08What's that?
31:09He says there's no trespass charge, he just wanted you to move.
31:11That doesn't matter.
31:12And that's what the complaint is about.
31:14He's got no business doing that, you know?
31:15Okay.
31:15I am a patron of this business, and it was just a bullying tactic because I'm recording
31:19it.
31:19Because I'm recording what's going on here.
31:21Okay.
31:21You know, and so he had no legal grounds to stop me from recording, and so he tried to bully
31:24me
31:24that way.
31:25And really, man, I've got it all in recording, too.
31:26He was intimidating.
31:27This dude right here.
31:28This dude was like, oh man, I don't know.
31:29He was really uncomfortable about...
31:31This guy right here?
31:31Yeah.
31:32Is he like the manager or something?
31:33He was who, that was who he asked if he could trespass me.
31:36And the guy was real uncomfortable about.
31:37I was like, man, I don't know.
31:37Did he get your information?
31:38He got my first and last name.
31:40Did he get your number or anything?
31:41No.
31:41No.
31:43His wife has my number.
31:44I'm just kidding, dude.
31:45I'm sorry.
31:46I'm sorry.
31:46Go back to professional, James.
31:48I know, I know, I know.
31:49Come on, that was a little bit funny.
31:50It's just a joke.
31:51Just a joke.
31:51Because we're trying to get on the same page here, you know?
31:54Cool.
31:56So, I just talked to the property manager about something else.
31:59Yeah.
31:59But just to get clarification, where does their property start and stop?
32:02Their property line stops at the sidewalk.
32:04Well, it doesn't.
32:05He's wrong.
32:06That sign right there, that's public right there.
32:09This right here is public?
32:11Yes.
32:11This is no passing.
32:12Right.
32:13So, the city can't put signs on private property.
32:15So, they have to put it on a public easement.
32:17Listen.
32:17You can see where the utilities are at also.
32:19Those go on public property.
32:21Don't shoot the messenger.
32:21We need to get clarification for everybody's betterment.
32:25Uh-huh.
32:26The business, as far as they've been told, their property line stops at the sidewalk.
32:31They take care of this vegetation because the city surely does not.
32:34I guarantee you, the city's not watering these trees and trimming these bushes.
32:38Let me explain something to you.
32:39We're just trying to make sense out of everything.
32:41I get it.
32:41So, I lived in Texas for a while, and we had a sidewalk, and we had the gore area.
32:45You know what I'm talking about?
32:46You got a street, and then you got grass, and then you got a sidewalk, and then you got my
32:48yard.
32:48My property line went all the way to the curb.
32:50Okay.
32:50But I had zero right to trespass people from the sidewalk or the gore area.
32:54Okay.
32:54Even though I took care of it.
32:55I cut the grass.
32:56The city is not taking care of it.
32:58I know that.
32:58I get that.
32:59And that's what I'm telling you.
33:00The property owner's taking care of it.
33:01That's what I'm telling you is that I was required to take care of public property.
33:04And I still had to allow people access to it.
33:08That's the way that this stuff works.
33:09What's up?
33:10Check that.
33:10You know what I'm saying?
33:11Cool?
33:12That is a Texas ordinance.
33:15What the-
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