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In July 1940, Winston Churchill made one of the most controversial decisions of the Second World War. Fearing that France's powerful navy might eventually fall under German control, he ordered the Royal Navy to attack the French fleet at Mers-el-Kébir. More than 1,200 French sailors were killed, turning former allies into enemies and creating a debate that historians continue to revisit more than eight decades later.
This documentary explores the strategic dilemma behind Operation Catapult, the historical arguments surrounding Churchill's decision, and what it reveals about leadership, deterrence, and maritime power. From the fall of France and Britain's fight for survival to the evolution of aircraft carriers and modern naval strategy, this is the story of a decision whose consequences reached far beyond a single battle—and why its lessons still resonate today.
This documentary explores the strategic dilemma behind Operation Catapult, the historical arguments surrounding Churchill's decision, and what it reveals about leadership, deterrence, and maritime power. From the fall of France and Britain's fight for survival to the evolution of aircraft carriers and modern naval strategy, this is the story of a decision whose consequences reached far beyond a single battle—and why its lessons still resonate today.
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00:00The order stunned even some of the men expected to carry it out.
00:03Britain was not preparing to attack a German fleet.
00:06It was preparing to attack ships that, only weeks earlier, had fought beside the Royal Navy against Adolf Hitler.
00:14Thousands of French sailors stood aboard their vessels in the North African harbor of Merz-el-Kabir.
00:19Many believed they had escaped the disaster unfolding across Europe.
00:23France had signed an armistice with Germany.
00:26The fighting for them appeared to be over.
00:29Instead, another fleet appeared on the horizon, not German, British.
00:34Within hours, allies would become enemies.
00:37Battleships that had once shared the same cause would exchange gunfire across the Mediterranean.
00:42More than a thousand French sailors would lose their lives in an attack ordered not by Berlin, but by London.
00:49Around the world, many would condemn the operation as an unforgivable betrayal.
00:55Others would argue it was one of the hardest but most necessary decisions of the Second World War.
01:01At the center of that decision stood one man, Winston Churchill.
01:06He believed Britain faced an existential crisis unlike any in its history.
01:12If there was even the slightest chance that one of Europe's most powerful fleets could fall under German control,
01:17he believed he had no choice but to act before that possibility became reality.
01:22It was a decision that would divide historians for generations.
01:27Because beneath the smoke, the sinking ships, and the diplomatic outrage lies a question that has never truly disappeared.
01:34Did Britain's command of the seas survive because it possessed the strongest navy,
01:39or because its leaders proved they were willing to do what no one expected?
01:43To understand why Churchill reached such a devastating decision,
01:47we have to return to one of the darkest weeks in modern British history.
01:50In the spring of 1940, Nazi Germany launched its offensive across Western Europe with astonishing speed.
01:57Denmark fell in a single day.
02:00Norway was overwhelmed after weeks of fighting.
02:03Then, on the 10th of May, German armored divisions crossed into the Low Countries and France.
02:08The campaign unfolded faster than almost anyone had imagined.
02:12German tanks bypassed the heavily fortified Maginot Line,
02:16surged through the Ardennes forest, and cut deep behind Allied positions.
02:21Entire armies found themselves trapped.
02:24Hundreds of thousands of British and French soldiers escaped at Dunkirk,
02:28but they left behind most of their heavy equipment.
02:31France continued fighting, but its position had become increasingly hopeless.
02:35On the 22nd of June, 1940, France signed an armistice with Germany.
02:41For Britain, the consequences were enormous.
02:44Almost overnight, every major ally in Western Europe had either surrendered or been occupied.
02:50Across the English Channel stood an enemy that now controlled much of continental Europe.
02:55Britain suddenly faced the terrifying possibility of fighting alone.
02:59Everything depended upon one service, the Royal Navy.
03:03The army defended Britain's shores.
03:06The Royal Air Force protected its skies.
03:08But the Royal Navy protected something even more fundamental.
03:11Britain's ability to survive.
03:15As an island nation, Britain relied upon merchant shipping for food, fuel, raw materials, and military supplies.
03:22If German forces gained command of the surrounding seas,
03:26Britain's economy could be strangled long before an invasion ever began.
03:31Sea control was no longer simply a matter of prestige.
03:34It was a matter of national survival.
03:37Then came another frightening reality.
03:41France possessed one of the world's largest and most modern navies.
03:45Its fleet included powerful battleships, heavy cruisers, destroyers, submarines,
03:50and fast modern vessels built to challenge the strongest fleets afloat.
03:55Before France surrendered, these ships had strengthened allied naval power.
03:59After the armistice, they became something entirely different.
04:03A strategic uncertainty.
04:06If Germany somehow gained access to those ships, even partially,
04:10the balance at sea could shift at precisely the moment Britain could least afford it.
04:14The question confronting Churchill was no longer whether the French fleet was dangerous.
04:19It was who would ultimately control it.
04:22Officially, the armistice between France and Germany appeared to answer that question.
04:27Its terms stated that the French fleet would remain under French control.
04:31The ships would be disarmed and would not become part of the German navy.
04:35Many French naval officers accepted those guarantees.
04:38From their perspective, their honor remained intact.
04:42Their fleet had not surrendered to Germany.
04:45It remained French.
04:47But Churchill read the agreement very differently.
04:50He understood that treaties carried only as much weight as the governments enforcing them.
04:55Nazi Germany had already broken diplomatic promises when it suited its strategic interests.
05:00There was little reason, in his mind,
05:02to believe these guarantees would prove any different if circumstances changed.
05:07Churchill did not claim to know that Hitler intended to seize the fleet.
05:11The evidence available at the time could not prove such an intention.
05:15His concern was something more unsettling.
05:18If Germany eventually demanded the ships,
05:21would the new French government be able or willing to refuse?
05:24That uncertainty itself was unacceptable.
05:28Britain could not gamble its survival on assumptions about Hitler's future intentions.
05:33Churchill later summarized the problem with brutal simplicity.
05:36If the worst happened, Britain might not receive a second chance.
05:40From that calculation emerged Operation Catapult.
05:44Its objective was straightforward,
05:46ensure that the French fleet could never be used against Britain.
05:50The operation unfolded simultaneously at several locations where French warships lay at anchor.
05:55In some ports, British forces peacefully secured the vessels.
06:00Elsewhere, French crews agreed to cooperate after brief negotiations.
06:05But one location would become the operation's defining tragedy.
06:10Mers-el-Kibir.
06:12Anchored, there was a powerful concentration of French warships under Admiral Marcel Bruno Gensoul.
06:18The British delegation arrived carrying an ultimatum rather than a declaration of war.
06:24Several options were presented.
06:26Continue the fight alongside Britain, sail to British ports,
06:30steam to distant French territories or the West Indies
06:33where the ships could remain beyond German reach.
06:36Or disarm under agreed conditions.
06:38If none of those options were accepted,
06:41the Royal Navy had orders to prevent the fleet from remaining where it was.
06:45Peace still seemed possible.
06:47But every passing hour made that possibility more fragile.
06:50The negotiations quickly became strained.
06:53Language barriers complicated communication.
06:55Messages moved slowly between commanders.
06:58Each side questioned the other's intentions.
07:01Admiral Gensoul believed the British demands insulted French honor
07:04and ignored the guarantees contained within the armistice.
07:08He also believed that his fleet remained loyal to France
07:11and had no intention of serving Germany.
07:13From the British perspective, intentions were no longer enough.
07:17Churchill required certainty.
07:20Time, however, was running out.
07:22British commanders feared that prolonged negotiations
07:24might allow events beyond their control to intervene.
07:28Every delay increased the possibility, real or imagined,
07:32that the strategic situation could suddenly change.
07:36Late in the afternoon of the 3rd of July, 1940,
07:40diplomacy reached its breaking point.
07:42The order was given.
07:44The Royal Navy opened fire.
07:47Heavy shells tore into the anchored French ships with devastating effect.
07:51The battleship Britannia exploded after her magazines detonated,
07:55sinking rapidly with hundreds of sailors still aboard.
07:58Other ships were damaged, set ablaze, or forced ashore
08:02as crews fought desperately to survive amid smoke,
08:05shattered steel, and burning fuel.
08:08By the time the firing ended,
08:10more than 1,200 French sailors had been killed.
08:13The attack sent shockwaves across the world.
08:17Many observers viewed it as an appalling act
08:19committed against a former ally already defeated by Germany.
08:23The French government condemned Britain with fury.
08:26Diplomatic relations deteriorated almost immediately.
08:30Even inside Britain, there was little celebration.
08:33The operation had achieved its immediate military objective,
08:36but almost no one regarded it as a triumph.
08:40Churchill himself later acknowledged the immense weight of the decision,
08:44describing it as among the most painful actions
08:46his government was ever forced to take.
08:48Yet he remained convinced that history would judge Britain more harshly
08:52had it done nothing.
08:54The smoke above Merzel-Khebir slowly drifted out across the Mediterranean.
08:59The gunfire faded.
09:01But the argument over whether those shells represented necessity or betrayal
09:05has continued ever since.
09:08The attack on Merzel-Khebir ended in less than an hour.
09:12The debate it created has lasted for more than eight decades.
09:16Few events of the Second World War force historians into such
09:19uncomfortable territory because both sides of the argument begin with undeniable truths.
09:25The first is impossible to ignore.
09:29More than 1,200 French sailors were killed by a nation that had been fighting beside them
09:34only weeks earlier.
09:36Many had never imagined Britain would actually open fire.
09:40They believed negotiations would continue.
09:43Some believed the guarantees contained within the Franco-German armistice
09:47would protect their fleet from German control.
09:50Others simply could not imagine that two long-standing allies would resort to violence
09:55against one another while Hitler's armies dominated continental Europe.
09:59To many observers, Merzel-Khebir was not simply a military operation.
10:04It was a profound moral tragedy.
10:07Critics have argued that Churchill acted too quickly,
10:10that diplomacy had not yet been exhausted,
10:12and that the attack inflicted lasting damage upon relations between Britain and France
10:17at the very moment unity was desperately needed.
10:21Those criticisms have never completely disappeared.
10:24Yet, there is another interpretation.
10:27Churchill was not judging the situation based on what he hoped Germany would do.
10:31He judged it based on what Germany might eventually do.
10:35His responsibility, as he saw it,
10:37was not to preserve goodwill if doing so exposed Britain to an unacceptable strategic risk.
10:44If there was even a small possibility that one of Europe's most powerful fleets
10:48could someday strengthen Hitler's position,
10:50then waiting carried dangers that could not easily be reversed.
10:54History offers very few examples where leaders possess complete certainty before making decisions.
11:00Churchill certainly did not.
11:02He acted under conditions of uncertainty, incomplete intelligence, and extraordinary pressure.
11:08That distinction matters.
11:10He was not responding to what Germany had already done with the French fleet.
11:14He was responding to what Britain could not afford to discover too late.
11:18Today, historians continue to disagree about whether the attack unfolded in the best possible way,
11:23or whether additional negotiation might have produced a different outcome.
11:27But there are several points on which broad agreement does exist.
11:31The operation removed much of the immediate uncertainty surrounding the largest concentration of French warships,
11:37it inflicted severe damage upon Anglo-French relations,
11:41and it became one of the most controversial strategic decisions of the entire war.
11:46Whether Churchill ultimately protected Britain or inflicted an unnecessary wound upon the Allied cause
11:51remains one of the enduring questions of 20th century history.
11:55Perhaps the answer depends less on judging the outcome than on understanding the impossible circumstances in which the decision was
12:03made.
12:05Behind the tragedy of Merz-el-Khebir lies a larger principle that extends far beyond a single battle.
12:12Military power is often measured in numbers, the number of ships, the number of aircraft,
12:17the range of missiles, the size of an army.
12:21Yet history repeatedly demonstrates that these measurements tell only part of the story.
12:26The true influence of military power depends upon something far less tangible.
12:32Credibility.
12:33A fleet can only deter an opponent if that opponent believes it will actually be used.
12:39Weapons possess political value only when the willingness to employ them appears believable.
12:45This was the message Britain projected in July 1940.
12:49Churchill accepted that ordering the attack would bring diplomatic condemnation.
12:53He understood that public opinion would be divided.
12:56He knew relations with France might suffer for years.
12:59Yet he also believed that failing to act could send an even more dangerous message,
13:04that Britain might hesitate when confronted with impossible choices.
13:08In war, perception often becomes reality.
13:11If an adversary concludes that political leaders lack the resolve to employ military power when
13:17circumstances demand it, deterrence begins to weaken long before the first shot is fired.
13:23For Britain in 1940, deterrence no longer depended solely upon the strength of the Royal Navy.
13:29It depended upon convincing both friends and enemies that Britain intended to continue the war
13:34regardless of the sacrifices required.
13:37That impression mattered beyond Europe.
13:39Across the Atlantic, the United States remained officially neutral.
13:44President Franklin Roosevelt faced a deeply divided American public,
13:48with many citizens determined to avoid another European war.
13:52Support for Britain grew gradually, rather than suddenly influenced by military developments,
13:59political leadership, economic cooperation, and the evolving global situation.
14:03Many historians argue that Britain's refusal to seek terms with Germany and difficult decisions such as Merz el-Kibir
14:12reinforced the perception that Britain remained committed to resisting Nazi expansion.
14:17It was not the only reason American support expanded, nor was it the decisive factor by itself, but it became
14:25one piece of a much larger picture.
14:28A picture in which Britain demonstrated that surrender, compromise, or negotiated peace were no longer acceptable options.
14:35The message carried across the Atlantic was not simply that Britain still possessed powerful ships.
14:41It was that Britain intended to use them if survival demanded it.
14:45It is tempting to explain maritime dominance through technology alone.
14:50The largest fleet.
14:51The fastest battleships.
14:53The most advanced radar.
14:55The longest-range missiles.
14:57History suggests the reality is far more complicated.
15:02Power at sea has always rested upon several foundations working together.
15:05Ships matter.
15:07Ships matter.
15:07But ships require shipyards.
15:09Shipyards require industry.
15:11Industry requires secure resources and reliable supply lines.
15:16Those supply lines depend upon logistics.
15:18Logistics depend upon political stability.
15:21Political stability depends upon public confidence.
15:25And every one of those elements ultimately depends upon leadership,
15:28capable of making difficult decisions under conditions of uncertainty.
15:32Throughout history, dominant naval powers have rarely prevailed
15:37because they possessed superior technology alone.
15:41The British Empire sustained maritime supremacy for generations
15:45through industrial capacity, global bases, commercial networks, experienced sailors,
15:52financial strength, and political institutions capable of supporting long wars.
15:57The United States later combined overwhelming industrial production
16:01with worldwide logistics, alliances, technological innovation, and sustained political commitment.
16:08No fleet operates in isolation.
16:10Every warship at sea represents an entire national system working behind it.
16:15Merz el-Khebir illustrates this larger truth in dramatic fashion.
16:19The ships involved were undeniably important.
16:22But the crisis itself was never really about steel hulls or naval guns.
16:27It was about political judgment.
16:29Technology created the capability.
16:32Leadership determined how that capability would or would not be used.
16:36Whether Churchill's decision was ultimately correct remains open to debate.
16:41What cannot be debated is that the crisis exposed an enduring reality.
16:46Even the most powerful navy in the world cannot make strategic decisions.
16:50Only people can, and people must often decide before certainty arrives.
16:56That uncomfortable lesson did not disappear with the battleships of the Second World War.
17:01If anything, it has become even more relevant in the age of aircraft carriers,
17:07precision missiles, autonomous drones, and global surveillance.
17:11The world that emerged from the Second World War looked very different from the one Churchill had fought to preserve.
17:18The great battleships that had dominated naval strategy for decades gradually surrendered their place to a new king of the
17:26sea.
17:26The aircraft carrier.
17:29The change had already begun during the war itself.
17:33Pearl Harbor demonstrated that aircraft could cripple fleets long before opposing battleships ever came within gun range.
17:40The battles of the Coral Sea and Midway confirmed an entirely new reality.
17:46The decisive blows in modern naval warfare could now be delivered from hundreds of miles away.
17:52The battleship did not disappear overnight, but it was no longer the center of naval power.
17:58That role increasingly belonged to the carrier.
18:01As the Cold War unfolded, carriers evolved into something far greater than simply ships carrying aircraft.
18:08Each became the centerpiece of an entire naval ecosystem.
18:12Destroyers formed protective rings against missiles and submarines.
18:16Cruisers provided advanced air defense capabilities.
18:20Attack submarines searched silently beneath the surface.
18:23Supply ships ensured that these floating task forces could remain at sea for months.
18:28Above them, airborne early warning aircraft extended the fleet's vision far beyond the horizon.
18:34Every component depended upon every other.
18:37Together, they became known as carrier strike groups.
18:40They were not simply weapons.
18:42They became mobile air bases capable of projecting military power almost anywhere.
18:47On Earth without relying upon foreign territory.
18:51When a carrier strike group appeared offshore, it carried political significance as much as military strength.
18:57It reassured allies.
18:59It deterred adversaries.
19:01It protected sea lanes.
19:02It supported humanitarian operations.
19:05And, when necessary, it launched combat operations thousands of miles from home.
19:10For decades, few symbols represented global naval dominance more clearly.
19:15Yet, history rarely allows any military advantage to remain permanent.
19:19Every revolutionary weapon eventually inspires new methods designed to defeat it.
19:25The medieval castle gave rise to powerful siege artillery.
19:29Heavy cavalry eventually yielded to disciplined infantry armed with firearms.
19:34The dreadnought battleship transformed naval warfare until aircraft transformed it again.
19:40Military history is not a story of permanent supremacy.
19:43It is a story of continuous adaptation.
19:47That raises an uncomfortable possibility.
19:50If the battleship eventually became vulnerable, despite its enormous power,
19:55could the aircraft carrier now be approaching a similar moment?
19:59No serious military planner believes the aircraft carrier has become obsolete.
20:05But few would argue that it operates in the same strategic environment that existed even 30 years ago.
20:11Potential adversaries have spent decades studying carrier operations.
20:16Rather than attempting to match carrier fleets ship for ship,
20:20many have focused on finding ways to complicate their employment.
20:23The result has been the rapid development of weapons and doctrines intended to threaten even the most capable naval formations.
20:31Long-range anti-ship cruise missiles can approach from multiple directions at high speed.
20:37Some anti-ship ballistic missiles are specifically designed to strike moving vessels over vast distances.
20:44Although successfully targeting and destroying a maneuvering warship under combat conditions remains an exceptionally complex challenge.
20:52Unmanned aerial systems have introduced entirely new layers of uncertainty.
20:56Instead of relying upon a handful of expensive aircraft,
21:00future conflicts may involve large numbers of relatively inexpensive drones performing reconnaissance,
21:06electronic warfare, decoy missions, or direct attacks.
21:10At sea, unmanned surface and underwater vehicles are expanding the range of possible threats even further.
21:17Beyond the visible battlefield lies another domain entirely, electronic warfare.
21:23Modern warships depend upon sensors, communications, satellites, radar, data links, and complex computer networks.
21:31Disrupting those systems may prove almost as valuable as physically destroying ships themselves.
21:37Cyber operations present similar challenges.
21:40Military planners increasingly recognize that future conflicts may begin with attacks upon information systems long before missiles are launched.
21:49Even space has become part of naval warfare.
21:52Satellites provide navigation, communications, surveillance, and targeting data that connect fleets across entire oceans.
22:00Protecting those networks has become as important as protecting ships themselves.
22:04These developments have encouraged what strategists often describe as anti-access and area-denial strategies.
22:12Rather than seeking decisive fleet battles, the objective is often to make operating within certain regions increasingly costly and increasingly
22:20dangerous.
22:22Exactly how these technologies would perform during a major naval war remains uncertain.
22:27Many have never been tested against a fully capable opponent.
22:30What is clear is that military planners across the world continue to debate how large surface fleets should adapt to
22:38this changing environment.
22:40The central challenge is no longer simply building stronger ships.
22:44It is ensuring that doctrine, technology, logistics, and leadership evolve together.
22:49History has never rewarded the navy that adapts last.
22:53At first glance, the crisis at Mears El-Kabir seems to belong to another age.
22:58Coal-fired battleships have vanished.
23:01Empires have disappeared.
23:03The Cold War has ended.
23:05Technology has transformed almost every aspect of naval warfare.
23:09Yet beneath those enormous changes, one strategic dilemma continues to reappear.
23:15How should governments respond when the greatest danger lies not in what an adversary has already done, but in what
23:22that adversary might eventually be capable of doing?
23:25Waiting carries risks.
23:28Waiting carries risks.
23:28Acting carries risks.
23:29Both choices can produce consequences that extend far beyond the battlefield.
23:34Churchill confronted that dilemma in the summer of 1940.
23:37He acted before the threat he feared had fully materialized, because he believed waiting could leave Britain facing irreversible consequences.
23:45Whether that judgment was correct remains the subject of legitimate historical debate, but the underlying problem has never disappeared.
23:55Modern governments regularly confront decisions made under conditions of uncertainty.
24:00They must assess incomplete intelligence.
24:03Balance military necessity against diplomatic costs.
24:08Weigh immediate political consequences against long-term strategic security.
24:12Every option carries uncertainty.
24:15Every delay creates new possibilities.
24:18Every action risks unintended consequences.
24:21The technologies have changed.
24:23The human burden has not.
24:25This is why Mirz el-Kibir continues to attract the attention of historians, military officers, and strategic thinkers.
24:32Not because it provides a simple model for modern policy.
24:36It does not.
24:38History never repeats itself so neatly.
24:40Rather, it reminds us that leadership often requires decisions made before perfect information exists.
24:47The hardest choices rarely involve selecting between obvious right and obvious wrong.
24:52More often, they involve choosing between competing risks whose consequences cannot be fully known until years later.
25:00That may be the most enduring legacy of Churchill's decision.
25:04Not the shells that struck the French fleet.
25:07But the uncomfortable reality that democratic societies, like all societies, must eventually decide how much strategic risk they are willing
25:16to tolerate before taking decisive action.
25:18Every generation answers that question differently.
25:22History merely records the consequences.
25:25The smoke over Mirz el-Kibir disappeared long ago.
25:29The shattered battleships have become part of history.
25:32The governments that made those decisions have passed into memory.
25:36Yet the questions raised on that July afternoon in 1940 remain remarkably difficult to answer.
25:42For many, Mirz el-Kibir will always represent betrayal.
25:47A trusted ally, already defeated, suddenly found itself under fire from the very nation with which it had fought only
25:55weeks before.
25:56The loss of more than 1,200 French sailors left scars that neither diplomacy nor time could erase completely.
26:04For others, the operation represents something very different.
26:08A brutal reminder that national survival sometimes forces leaders to choose between options that all carry terrible consequences.
26:16Not because those choices are morally satisfying, but because failing to choose may carry consequences even greater still.
26:25History has never fully reconciled those two interpretations.
26:29Perhaps, it never will.
26:32The men who died aboard the French ships paid the immediate price.
26:36Their families carried that loss for the rest of their lives.
26:40Britain, meanwhile, continued the war alone.
26:43Weeks later came the Battle of Britain.
26:45Months later came the Battle of the Atlantic.
26:48Years later came Allied victory.
26:51Whether Mirz el-Kibir directly altered the course of those events will remain a matter of historical debate,
26:56but it unquestionably became one of the defining moments that revealed the terrible burden carried by political leaders during times
27:03of national crisis.
27:05Throughout history, maritime supremacy has never depended solely upon fleets.
27:10Yet, ships matter, ships matter, so do sailors, so do engineers, shipbuilders, dock workers, industrial capacity, logistics, alliances, intelligence, technology,
27:21and the economies capable of sustaining them across years of conflict.
27:26Every great naval power has rested upon that vast foundation.
27:30Yet, there are moments when even all of those advantages become secondary to a single human decision.
27:36A decision made with incomplete information.
27:39A decision made under immense pressure.
27:42A decision whose consequences cannot be fully understood until decades later.
27:47Mirz el-Kibir endures because it forces us to confront one of history's most uncomfortable realities.
27:54Leadership is rarely tested when every option appears good.
27:58Its true test comes when every available choice carries profound costs.
28:04Churchill could not know the future.
28:06Neither could Admiral Gensoul.
28:08Neither could the sailors standing aboard their ships as negotiations slowly collapsed.
28:13Each acted according to the information, responsibilities, and convictions they possessed at that moment.
28:20History has judged them ever since.
28:22Perhaps that is why Mirz el-Kibir still matters.
28:25Not because it provides clear answers.
28:28But because it reminds us that strategy is ultimately about people.
28:32People making irreversible decisions while certainty remains just beyond their reach.
28:37And perhaps the most enduring question of all is not whether Churchill was right or wrong.
28:43It is this.
28:45When the survival of a nation appears to depend upon choosing between terrible alternatives,
28:50how should any leader decide?
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