00:00I think we often obsess over the cast of characters at the top and we're always trying to think like,
00:05who's the good guy? Who's the bad guy? Who's the less bad guy that I'm able to settle with? Because
00:12that's all the options that there is. And what I'm saying is that's not the only option set. We shouldn't
00:18have to live with companies that are so vastly powerful, where one person at the top is able to decide
00:25all these things. It's a governance structure. That's the problem.
00:27It's not that I think the problem will be solved if we just swap out one of these characters for
00:33one another or for a new person.
00:35But I think you do have a problem with the people at the top, right? Or certainly the small number
00:39of people at the top. And you kind of know the world that they came from because you were part
00:45of that same world. You went to MIT, worked for a startup. This could actually have been the industry of
00:50your life rather than you reporting from the outside. So I get the impression that you do have a problem
00:56with these characters.
00:57Yes, I do have a particular problem with the culture that they're steeped in and the ideologies that they have,
01:05because it's an imperialist ideology.
01:09These companies have consolidated a historic amount of economic and political power, and they are becoming fast the supreme powers
01:16in the world, just like the empires of old.
01:18And they do this through the dispossession of resources, labor, value from the majority.
01:24That's a fantastic story.
01:24But I was considering what again, having fun of the society is that whatever we could do with food,
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