00:00what does being a good politician mean to you um i think it means delivering
00:10i think for a long time being a good politician has meant debating and we want it to be something
00:16that it means something we want it to be material there's if you if you knock on a new yorker's
00:25door right now and you ask them what they're worried about they'll define it in terms of cost
00:31and yet for a long time politics has defined been defined as if it's conversation and we want to
00:37bridge that
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