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00:00Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
00:30She said, I am not a good person, Katie.
00:33It was just a matter of time before someone really got hurt.
00:38She said, I'm never going to go to jail. I'll kill myself before I go to jail.
00:46Connie's not alone. Where's your emergency?
00:48I think there's a stabbing. Can you send somebody immediately to the officer?
00:53I'm sure that she was coming for me next.
01:07In 2016, I was living in Florida.
01:12My daughter and I were living together near the beach.
01:16I was enjoying my job, hanging out with some friends occasionally, spending a lot of time with family.
01:23Life was good.
01:26I was happy actually being single.
01:30Not really dating, maybe meeting a few people from time to time.
01:36One day, I was on Facebook, and I was in a few groups, singles groups.
01:45And I came across a lady by the name of Joyce.
01:50She had a nice smile, and I liked her picture.
01:56Suddenly, I got a private message, and it happened to be Joyce.
02:02We exchanged phone numbers, and we started talking on the phone for a while.
02:07We kind of bonded over the similarities in our professions.
02:12I was a home health care aide at the time, and I found out that she was a registered nurse.
02:21We talked, and we just really enjoyed each other's conversations, and we decided after about a month that we would
02:28really like to meet each other in person.
02:31Joyce was living in the Atlanta area at the time.
02:36She said, hey, why don't you come on up to Atlanta?
02:38I'll show you around.
02:40I was a little bit nervous, but also excited.
02:47That first weekend that Joyce and I spent together, we were staying at the Omni Hotel in downtown Atlanta, and
02:55just learned a lot more about each other.
02:58She had told me that she was legally married.
03:02However, things were rocky and complicated, and she and her wife were separated.
03:10Joyce painted this beautiful picture for me.
03:12She was very attractive.
03:15She dressed very nicely.
03:17And when we would go out for dinner, she would pull out stacks of cash out of her pocket and
03:25tell me I could have whatever I wanted to eat or drink.
03:29Joyce also had told me that she owned a hydroclonic clinic that brought in quite a bit of money.
03:40She seemed to be very caring and very generous, and she had everything that I was hoping for when it
03:50was time for me to go back home.
03:59After I was dating Joyce for about two months, she drove down to Florida to my home to visit me.
04:09And we began talking about exes, as you do sometimes in relationships, and Joyce proceeded to tell me that a
04:20previous girlfriend had gone missing.
04:22She wasn't sure what happened to her, and she had begun to cry, and she cried for just a minute,
04:32and then she seemed to get happy again and didn't talk about it anymore that day.
04:38I didn't really think much about it, but once Joyce went home, I thought, it seemed a little strange.
04:55A couple of months later, I went to visit her in Conyers, Georgia, which is where Joyce was living.
05:04She insisted that I stay in a hotel because she had some family staying in her home, and I was
05:10okay with it.
05:12I was just happy to see her again.
05:16During that visit, Joyce seemed a little more subdued.
05:20So I asked her if she was okay, and she said she just had a lot weighing on her mind.
05:26She couldn't stop thinking about the girlfriend before her wife that had gone missing.
05:32I was thinking, well, maybe this just happened recently.
05:36She said, well, she went missing in 2011.
05:39That had been five years.
05:42She said that the police detectives were contacting her, and that they thought that maybe she had some information as
05:52to what happened.
05:53I asked her if she knew what happened, and she was very adamant that she just disappeared and never heard
06:02from her again.
06:05By this time, Joyce and I had been dating for about six months, and she had brought up this missing
06:12girlfriend about four times.
06:16The more I listened, I finally learned that missing ex-girlfriend's name was Shondell.
06:25When I returned home, I thought, I'm going to find out what's going on.
06:29It just kind of seemed not normal in my eyes.
06:33New at 11, a family is desperate for answers after a Lithonia woman disappeared with no explanation nearly five months
06:39ago.
06:40I had seen several news stories that were posted online about the missing case.
06:46We believe in that, you know, somebody knew something and wanted this lady missing.
06:53But the one that really affected me the most was the one where they interviewed Shondell's mother.
07:05This is how Badesia McLeod tells me she spends some days looking out the window, hoping for a sign of
07:11her daughter, 35-year-old Shondell McLeod.
07:18Me being a mother myself, I could never imagine if my daughter was missing and there were no answers.
07:26She would never walk away from her father again.
07:40When the Shondell McLeod case came to me in 2011,
07:45I had been with special victims in the domestic violence unit of the Cab County Police Department for roughly 11
07:50years.
07:52Well, after receiving the case, I went to see the victim's mother.
07:56She said the last time she spoke to her daughter was the day before she went missing.
08:02They was a tight-knit family.
08:05The day doesn't go by that she don't speak to her daughter.
08:08I knew that this wasn't just an average missing person case.
08:13This wasn't a case that somebody actually got up and needed a break from their family and walked away.
08:17This was something more serious than that.
08:24On the day Shondell went missing, Sunday, September the 25th of 2011,
08:31she was supposed to report to work at a nursing home facility where she was a cook.
08:39It was her responsibility to open the kitchen.
08:44She never made it to work that morning.
08:48When Shondell's co-worker arrived a few hours later,
08:54she found the back door slightly ajar, and all the lights in the kitchen were off.
09:02She was very scared at that point and went to the management to report that Shondell hadn't made it to
09:07work
09:08and the back door was open.
09:11She was a very dedicated and devoted employee, and when they weren't able to get her on the phone,
09:20they were very concerned.
09:24Later that evening, Shondell didn't show up to a family dinner at her mother's house.
09:37When detectives started working the case, they immediately tried to determine if there was any activity
09:45that would indicate that Shondell was still alive and maybe had gone off on her own.
09:49They looked at Shondell's bank account, her credit cards, her telephone records.
09:56Nothing was found.
09:58I learned while speaking to Ms. McLeod that her daughter was involved with Joyce Pelzer.
10:06After I learned more about Shondell, I had Googled Joyce's name.
10:16A news story popped up that immediately listed her as a person of interest.
10:23I was taken aback.
10:25I wasn't quite sure what it was that I was dealing with.
10:30Should I cut off contact?
10:33Is she a terrible person?
10:38But maybe what I'm reading isn't true.
10:42And at this point, I had fallen in love with her
10:46and wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt.
10:51Joyce told me that Shondell was the type of person that wanted a lot of nice things.
10:59And so she and Shondell bought a house together.
11:03Joyce told me that Shondell had good credit, but that Joyce had all the money.
11:08And so they decided that Shondell would get the loan in her name,
11:13but Joyce would pay for everything.
11:17According to Joyce, she put all the money down on the house.
11:21She paid to have the house remodeled.
11:24New floors, new lighting fixtures, new kitchen.
11:29Things seemed to be going well.
11:33But a short time later, Shondell just did not want to be with Joyce anymore.
11:40Shondell wanted Joyce to leave.
11:45Joyce was furious that Shondell broke up with her, that she had kicked her out of the home.
11:53In July, just mere months before Shondell went missing, Joyce was talking to some of their mutual friends and seemed
12:01obsessed.
12:02Like, she couldn't leave it alone.
12:04She pleaded with their mutual friends to get Shondell to talk to her and made Shondell feel very uncomfortable.
12:14Joyce's behavior became really concerning.
12:19To the point where Shondell got a gun, she was telling people that if anything happened to her, that it
12:26was Joyce.
12:27Shondell reported to the police that Joyce had broken into the home that they used to live in together and
12:34threatened to kill her.
12:36Shondell had to get a temporary protective order, blocking Joyce Peltzer from having any contact with Shondell.
12:45From what Joyce told me, when Shondell was at work one day, Joyce decided to go and take everything out
12:55of the house and just clean her out.
12:59She had taken everything down to the light fixtures, the light plate covers, she took Shondell's beloved cookbook collection and
13:12threw it in the trash.
13:15This was someone doing anything they could to cause pain.
13:28After talking to Shondell's mother, it was plain to me that this was a violent relationship.
13:35So I reached out to Ms. Peltzer.
13:38I explained to her that I need to speak to her.
13:41It's about Shondell missing.
13:43She said she hadn't seen Shondell since they broke up.
13:47And she said she had moved out of the home that her and Shondell shared and had moved in with
13:54Ms. Rosalyn Lewis.
13:58Rosalyn Lewis was a relationship that Joyce had during the course of Shondell and Joyce's relationship.
14:07But Joyce was sleeping with both of them.
14:09Shondell's mother was telling me this.
14:11Shondell knew that Joyce was out there doing something and she just wanted out of the relationship.
14:19After speaking to Ms. Peltzer on the phone, her and Rosalyn Lewis came into my office.
14:30I interviewed Joyce first.
14:33How do you know Ms. McLeod?
14:35We dated for about five and a half, six years.
14:39When was the last time you seen her?
14:41About a couple of weeks ago.
14:44She had called me because she wanted some stuff that I have in the storage.
14:49How was the conversation?
14:50It was fine.
14:51We hugged, chatted a little while.
14:54She'd been with the dogs.
14:55That was that.
14:57What broke her up?
14:59She just said it wasn't working anymore.
15:01And she wanted something different.
15:02I wanted something different.
15:05And I didn't really see a caring person that was in a relationship with somebody for that length of time.
15:14And when I told them that they was missing, it was just like it didn't faze her.
15:20She said, well, she's not missing.
15:22But she told me she was going back to her country.
15:24She was tired of her family.
15:26And after interviewing the family, I kind of figured that wasn't true.
15:31I explained to her that I need to know the timeline of everything that happened
15:36when Ms. McLeod went missing September 25, 2011.
15:42Okay.
15:43Let's go with the 25th.
15:45That's going to be Sunday.
15:46What do you just know?
15:47It broke about like about 10 something.
15:49What'd you do up there?
15:51Watch TV.
15:53Did you go out anytime?
15:54Mm-hmm.
15:55Nope.
15:56After getting her side of the story, I spoke to Ms. Lewis.
16:02Roz said they was together all day.
16:05They didn't leave the house.
16:09During this investigation, we got a search warrant on his puzzle cell phone.
16:14We can't say for sure where Joyce was when Shondell went missing.
16:19But what we can say from her telephone records is that she was out of her home network.
16:25And that is in direct contradiction to what Joyce and Rosalind told the police.
16:30So I locked her off for false statement.
16:35At this point, Joyce was my main person of interest.
16:39During this time, I was monitoring her jail calls to see if I can just pick up anything on this
16:45case.
16:58Joyce told me that the police asked to see her computer, but they found nothing.
17:05And she kind of laughed and said, of course they didn't, because I have nothing to do with this.
17:12All of the evidence that we gathered points right back to Joyce.
17:19But nobody's telling us how this lady went missing or where she's at.
17:26I worked this case strong for over a year, but I wasn't getting enough leads on it.
17:35It's always challenging when you sort of feel in your gut that something has happened, but you can't prove it.
17:44There wasn't a physical struggle at her house.
17:48There wasn't a murder weapon.
17:50There wasn't any evidence anywhere else that anything had happened to Shondell.
17:56I stayed in contact with Shondell's mother.
17:59I just wanted to bring some kind of closure to this family.
18:03I wasn't going to stop looking for this girl.
18:13The more times that Joyce and I got together, the more I thought about Shondell going missing.
18:19I had never known anybody that had been involved in a situation like this.
18:25But the more that she talked about Shondell, she seemed to become more agitated, more defensive.
18:33And a couple of times when I decided to ask Joyce for a little bit more information,
18:41she would reply by saying, what are you, the cops?
18:45I just kind of let it go.
18:48Well, I didn't want to cause any problems.
18:52We still had a good time.
18:54She was very loving as long as I went along with whatever it was that she wanted to do.
19:06The next time that I went to visit her,
19:09I was sitting at her dining room table with her and a couple of family members.
19:15She and one of the family members got into a heated discussion and the family member stood up and looked
19:24at me to let me know that Joyce is a fraud and a phony and she uses people.
19:30And told me that I needed to be careful because Joyce was still involved with her wife, Rosalyn.
19:42Joyce had brought up Roz to me on several occasions, but she had said that she was separated.
19:52When I asked her about the relationship, she said, think whatever you want, Katie.
20:00I kind of got my answer without really getting an answer.
20:06I then began to wonder, what else is there?
20:09What else could she possibly lie about?
20:16My first impression of Joyce was, I didn't like her.
20:22Rosalyn used to always tell me, Erica, you know, give her a try.
20:26She's really nice.
20:27I really like her.
20:29She's funny.
20:30And I was like, you're being gullible and you can't see it.
20:34I don't know what's wrong with this woman, but she's not everything.
20:39Rosalyn, to me, is the big sister, the friend, the confidant.
20:44She was everything to me.
20:48We have a huge family and everyone cared for Joyce and they welcomed her in.
20:54So she was a part of our family.
20:57They were together for a very long time before they got married.
21:03Rosalyn didn't share a lot with me when it came to her relationship with Joyce once they were married.
21:10But I always told my sister, keep your head on a swivel.
21:14And if anything go down, even though I'm the little sister, I'm still your sister, you know.
21:21So then she started telling me that Joyce was cheating.
21:25And that's when I was like, whoa.
21:28Joyce was lying about where she was going, who she was going out with.
21:32Lies upon lies upon lies.
21:35Ros was, she was hurt.
21:38My sister went back because Joyce said it will never happen again, you know.
21:42She was very manipulative and just lied about everything.
21:52After about a year of Joyce and I seeing each other, Joyce seemed to want to be in control
21:59of everything that we were doing, where we would go to eat.
22:05If I was going to travel to Georgia to see her or if she was going to come and travel
22:10to see me.
22:12We would still do things together, but Joyce's demeanor seemed to be increasingly aggressive as time went on.
22:22One day, I was visiting her in Conyers at her home.
22:29And she decided to take a shower.
22:33She got into the shower and I let her know that I was going to go to the store and
22:40that I would be right back.
22:43As I walked through the house,
22:48Joyce came flying out of the shower,
22:52grabbed me around my neck and told me that I was not going anywhere.
22:58She then moved a little closer to the kitchen counter
23:03and picked up a knife and held that against my neck.
23:09Inside, I was afraid, but I never let her know that I was afraid.
23:14I just remained calm.
23:17She said,
23:18You're not going to leave me.
23:20You don't leave until I tell you you can leave.
23:25And she kept squeezing my neck tighter and tighter.
23:30And I said,
23:31Can you just let me go and we can go to the store?
23:38And she finally let me go.
23:41She put the knife down on the counter.
23:42And then she turned around and gave me a hug and started to laugh.
23:46And she said,
23:47You know I love you.
23:50You know I wouldn't do anything to you.
23:53And she just proceeded about her day
23:56and acted as though none of that even ever happened.
24:02It was as if I was looking at somebody that I had never seen before.
24:08From that point on,
24:09I never showed Joyce any rejection
24:12for fear of something happening to me.
24:18One night,
24:20Joyce looked at me,
24:22kind of worried.
24:25She said,
24:27Katie, I want to tell you something.
24:31I killed Shondell.
24:40Then she proceeded to tell me
24:43what had actually happened.
24:47Shondell had gone to work
24:49early in the morning.
24:51It was still dark.
24:54Joyce had hired a hitman
24:56to take Shondell
24:59and hold her postage
25:02for a couple of days.
25:05They rented some heavy equipment
25:07to dig a very large hole
25:11somewhere out in the North Georgia woods
25:13where nobody would ever go.
25:17And then they took her
25:19to the edge of this very large hole
25:23and they tasered her,
25:26which caused her to fall
25:28down into this hole
25:32and they covered up
25:34the hole with dirt
25:36and left her there.
25:43After she shared this
25:45very devastating news with me,
25:48she dried her eyes
25:50and just got right back
25:52to being happy again.
25:54and I knew this girl
25:56was crazy.
26:00I didn't think about
26:01calling the police.
26:03I was completely overwhelmed
26:05and at that point
26:08I was pretty frightened.
26:11I wasn't sure
26:13what she was capable of next.
26:15I decided that I should probably
26:18distance myself from Joyce
26:20and cut off ties
26:22as quickly
26:23and as smoothly
26:24as I could.
26:28One day
26:29I was out with some friends
26:31near my home
26:32in Florida
26:33and I got a phone call
26:35from my mother
26:36that there was
26:38a detective
26:39trying to get in touch
26:40with me
26:41and she gave me
26:42the phone number
26:43of a detective guest.
26:46Even though the case
26:48went cold,
26:49detective guest
26:50never gave up on it.
26:51He researched
26:52and tracked Joyce's life,
26:54who she was seeing,
26:56where she was living
26:57and he kept tabs on her.
26:59This is a case
27:00I've been pushing
27:01for like seven,
27:02eight years.
27:03Finally,
27:04I discovered that Joyce
27:06had been in a relationship
27:07with Katie Long.
27:08I wanted to see
27:11if Joyce actually
27:12just said anything
27:13to Katie
27:14about her past.
27:17Detective guest
27:18let me know
27:19that he was
27:20investigating
27:21a missing persons case.
27:23He wanted to know
27:25if I knew anything
27:27about Shondell
27:28going missing.
27:30And I said yes.
27:32So I met
27:34with detective guest
27:35in August of 2018.
27:39Tell me
27:40exactly
27:41what was told
27:42to you
27:42by Miss...
27:44Joyce Pelzer.
27:46Yes.
27:46What did she say?
27:49She said,
27:51I knocked off
27:52my ex-girlfriend,
27:53Shondell.
27:56And I said
27:57knocked her off
27:58meaning
27:59and she said,
28:00Katie,
28:01I killed
28:01my ex-girlfriend.
28:05Did that scare you?
28:07Yes,
28:08very much so.
28:09I've never
28:10dealt with anything
28:11like this
28:12ever in my life.
28:14She had me fooled
28:15in the beginning.
28:16Do you think
28:17she committed
28:17this murder?
28:18I very much
28:20believe that she
28:22had to do
28:23with the murder
28:24of this girl.
28:26She said,
28:27Katie,
28:27I'm never going
28:28to go to jail.
28:29I'll kill myself
28:29before I go to jail.
28:33What Miss Long
28:34gave us
28:35was
28:35a new beginning.
28:37I believe
28:38Katie Long
28:39did not reach out
28:40to the police
28:41because she was
28:41scared of Miss Pelzer.
28:43I told her
28:44to be careful.
28:46You didn't leave
28:46Joyce Pelzer.
28:48Joyce did not
28:49like rejection.
28:51And what would
28:52happen if you
28:53left Joyce Pelzer?
28:55What happened
28:56to Shondell
28:56MacLeod?
29:00After my interview
29:01with Detective Guest,
29:03he asked me
29:04to keep in touch
29:06with Joyce
29:06as much as I could
29:07as long as
29:08I was comfortable
29:10and felt safe
29:11to do so.
29:13I had built
29:14a rapport with her
29:16where she did
29:16trust me
29:17and felt comfortable
29:18to share information
29:19with me.
29:21I wanted
29:22Katie to
29:23to record
29:24her conversation
29:26with Miss Pelzer
29:27and she agreed
29:28to it.
29:30I was actually
29:31happy to do so
29:32because
29:32any little bit
29:34of information
29:35might help
29:37to either
29:38solve
29:39a situation
29:40or prevent
29:41something further
29:42from happening.
29:47Joyce called me
29:48one late afternoon
29:50and let me know
29:52that she was
29:53going to take
29:54a little road trip
29:54to New Orleans.
29:57She said,
29:58there's just
29:59something I have
29:59to take care of
30:00and it's going
30:02to be taken care of.
30:04I knew that Joyce
30:06was referring
30:06to her estranged wife,
30:08Rosalyn,
30:09because she had told me
30:10that she had relocated
30:12to New Orleans.
30:14Roz had come
30:15to New Orleans
30:16to take care
30:17of my dad.
30:18At that time,
30:19her and Joyce
30:19were already separated.
30:20she had her disorder
30:21that she wanted
30:22a divorce.
30:25In Rosalyn's
30:26and Joyce's
30:27marriage and
30:28financial situation,
30:30Rosalyn did
30:31hoe down the fort.
30:33Joyce was lying
30:35about her jobs,
30:36lying about going
30:36to work,
30:37not paying
30:38some of the bills.
30:40So Rosalyn,
30:41she cut all
30:42the lights off.
30:43She didn't stop
30:44paying utilities.
30:45Rosalyn took her name
30:46off the lease.
30:48Joyce was calling
30:51billions and billions
30:52of times,
30:53telling her to come
30:54home.
30:55She missed her wife.
30:56She's sorry.
30:59But Rosalyn,
31:00she was fed up
31:00and she was done.
31:02Up until that point,
31:04Roz had never mentioned
31:05that Joyce
31:07could be dangerous.
31:12On that phone call,
31:14Joyce started
31:15to tell me
31:16about a little
31:17.25 handgun
31:19that she had purchased
31:20from a guy
31:21off the streets
31:22in Atlanta.
31:25So I went
31:27and grabbed
31:28my old cell phone.
31:30I put the phone call
31:32on speaker
31:32and recorded
31:34with my other phone.
31:37She seemed
31:38to be on a mission.
32:00for the rest of your life.
32:08And the tape,
32:09Joyce is telling Katie
32:10she's going to lure
32:12Rosalyn back to Georgia,
32:14get a hold
32:15to her room
32:15and when she pulls up,
32:16get in the car
32:17with her and just shoot her.
32:20She also says,
32:21I wanted to call
32:22Detective Guest
32:24and tell him
32:25that Roz killed
32:26Shondell.
32:27So Joyce was
32:29going to set up Roz
32:30to take the fall
32:30for Shondell McCloud's murder.
32:33When I was recording
32:35the phone call,
32:36I was becoming
32:38increasingly nervous
32:39about something
32:41happening to Roz.
32:43I knew that she was serious.
32:47After I spoke
32:48with Joyce
32:48on the phone,
32:49I thought that Roz
32:51should know
32:52what Joyce's
32:53plans were.
32:54So I contacted her
32:56through Facebook.
32:58Being the
32:59other woman,
33:01I was thinking
33:01maybe she would
33:02be angry
33:03with me.
33:04But she in fact
33:05was very willing
33:07to talk to me.
33:09I told her
33:10that I thought
33:11that Joyce
33:11was after her.
33:13I said,
33:14she's on her way
33:15there and she's
33:16looking for you.
33:18Roz was
33:19very adamant
33:21about going
33:22to the police
33:22station immediately.
33:30Okay.
33:33My wife
33:34is here
33:35in town.
33:37She threatened
33:38me
33:38a few weeks
33:39back.
33:41Her,
33:42well,
33:43I guess now
33:43it's her ex-girlfriend
33:44because the woman,
33:44don't mess with her
33:45anymore,
33:46called me
33:46and said
33:47that Joyce
33:49is in town
33:50and she says
33:52that she's
33:52going to kill you.
33:56And when I pulled
33:57in my parents'
33:58driveway,
33:59as I was backing
33:59up into the driveway,
34:01I saw her
34:01start apart
34:02and come that way.
34:03She had a head
34:04turned,
34:05but I know
34:06what she looks like.
34:07we had been
34:07together for 14
34:08years,
34:08so I definitely
34:09know what she
34:10looks like.
34:11I'm thinking
34:12that she would
34:12call police
34:12alone
34:13for fucking
34:13time to go.
34:17The night
34:18that Joyce
34:18drove down
34:19to New Orleans,
34:21Joyce thought
34:22that only Roz
34:22was at home
34:23with my dad.
34:24But once
34:25she got there,
34:26I had cousins
34:27that was also
34:27there.
34:28And I think
34:29that's what
34:30spooked her
34:30and scared her
34:31away.
34:34Y'all need to
34:35find out where
34:35she is,
34:36because I don't
34:36know what
34:37her plans are,
34:37because she
34:38threatened to
34:38kill me.
34:53I don't know.
34:54How could
34:55death make
34:56her do this?
34:58I've been good
34:59for this woman.
35:01And for her
35:02to try to kill
35:03me now.
35:04Kill me,
35:05carry that.
35:07I'm not
35:08understanding.
35:12It is frightening
35:13to know that
35:14someone who my
35:15sister brought
35:15into our life
35:16could potentially
35:17want to harm
35:18her.
35:20At that point
35:21for me,
35:22that's when it
35:22got real.
35:23I didn't know
35:24the extent
35:24of how crazy
35:25Joyce was.
35:32Katie called
35:33Rosalind and told
35:35her that she
35:35probably needed
35:36to call
35:36a detective
35:37guest.
35:38At this point,
35:40Rosalind's afraid
35:41for her life.
35:42I drove all night
35:44getting to New
35:44Orleans.
35:45When I got to
35:46town, I went
35:47to Rosalind's
35:48house.
35:49I said,
35:49well, why?
35:50Why does she
35:50want to kill you?
35:51I said, what do you
35:52think why she
35:53want to kill you?
35:55Rosalind,
35:56Lewis was so
35:57fearful of Joyce,
35:58she told me
35:58nothing.
35:59She told me
36:00nothing about
36:01Shondell McCloud's
36:02case,
36:04Joyce's involvement
36:05in that.
36:05She said nothing.
36:08I told Rosalind,
36:09you need to be
36:10careful.
36:11Well, she's going
36:12to be coming
36:12after you next.
36:15Rosalind wanted
36:16a divorce from
36:17Joyce.
36:18She said, I'm
36:19never going back.
36:20She's lied to me
36:21too many times.
36:22She won't stop
36:23cheating.
36:24She's crazy.
36:26But Joyce was
36:27not willing to
36:28sign those papers.
36:29Her whole thing
36:30was, Rosalind,
36:31I'm going to do
36:31better.
36:32I will be a
36:33better wife.
36:33I will be a
36:34better friend.
36:35I will be a
36:36better lover.
36:37So let's give
36:38us another chance.
36:42Several months
36:43later, Joyce
36:44called me and
36:45she was pretty
36:46upset.
36:48I tried to get
36:50any other
36:51information out
36:52of her that I
36:52could, but she
36:55just wasn't doing
36:56a whole lot of
36:56talking and she
36:59let me know she
37:00was going to go
37:00back to her wife
37:01and for me to
37:03never call her
37:03again.
37:06She didn't want
37:07Rosalind to go.
37:08Rosalind was
37:09adamant.
37:09She was like,
37:10I'm just going to
37:10fly up there and
37:12I'm going to make
37:13her sign
37:13these papers.
37:15And I remember
37:15telling her,
37:16Rosalind,
37:17are you crazy?
37:18No, you're not
37:20going to go fly
37:21anywhere where
37:22Joyce is to get
37:22her sign the papers.
37:23This girl can be
37:24crazy and you
37:25don't know what
37:26she would do.
37:27No, absolutely
37:28not.
37:42No, you're not.
37:439-1-1, where's
37:43your emergency?
37:45Yes, ma'am.
37:45I'm calling from
37:46Motel 6, Conia.
37:47Motel 6,
37:48Conia's,
37:49what's going on
37:49there?
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38:22Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
38:58We knew that we had a serious situation that had happened, and it didn't look very promising for Roslyn at
39:04the time.
39:04Ros? Who did this?
39:09Who? Joyce?
39:13Okay. Do you know Joyce's last name?
39:17Pelzer?
39:19Who is she to you?
39:23She's your wife? Okay.
39:26You're doing good. Just hang tight for me, okay?
39:32Once I learned that Roz was stabbed by a female named Joyce, who was her wife, I then started assigning
39:40duties for people to try to identify who Joyce was.
39:44Meanwhile, EMS had arrived and were attending to Roslyn. She was really fighting hard for her life. She was definitely
39:52a fighter.
39:58Once we were able to get Roslyn to the ambulance, we could really investigate the crime scene.
40:08It was obvious it was a violent attack inside that room.
40:13We did observe a knife laying on the floor that was covered in blood.
40:19It was one of the worst crime scenes I've been on.
40:25Reviewing the video of the room, you could tell by the movement of the curtains that there was an outright
40:31fight inside the room.
40:33It almost appeared at one point that someone was trying to yell through the window because the curtain held open
40:40for a moment before it quickly closed back.
40:43The door opens and Joyce exits the room and Roslyn falls to the ground inside the doorway.
40:52I observed Joyce walking toward her vehicle on the sidewalk with no shoes on and only was wearing socks.
41:01She then got into a little trot to her car where she got in the car and then exited the
41:06parking lot at a high rate of speed.
41:14Roslyn had been stabbed 34 times by Joyce.
41:19She was transported to the hospital, but unfortunately she succumbed to her injuries.
41:27I was home with some friends and I get a phone call to find out that my sister had been
41:35murdered by Joyce.
41:38The most horrific phone call I've ever had gotten.
41:44It didn't register in my head that Joyce could have stabbed my sister to death.
41:54I can't even scream because I'm so numb, I'm so in disbelief.
42:03This is a dream and someone is lying to me.
42:07It wasn't a dream.
42:09Joyce murdered my sister in cold blood.
42:14About three hours after the initial call to the hotel, we were working a full-blown murder investigation at this
42:20point.
42:21What we had learned was Joyce had kind of lured Roslyn to the hotel room.
42:26Roslyn went there.
42:28What we feel was the intent to serve divorce papers on Joyce.
42:35Could that have provoked Joyce to stab my sister as many times as she did?
42:40I believe that rage came from somewhere and she unleashed it on my sister.
42:52We have no idea where Joyce may be headed, but we needed to make sure we could find her as
42:58fast as possible.
43:00We obtained the phone number for Joyce and we contacted the phone company and requested a ping on the phone
43:08so we can determine the direction that she may be traveling.
43:11While we were waiting to get the ping back from the phone, we found out that she had a past
43:16with female identified as Katie Long.
43:21When our ping returned about two hours after the request, the phone pings indicated to us that Joyce was headed
43:29south toward Florida.
43:33We learned that Katie Long resided in Florida.
43:38We were afraid that her life may be in danger because she knows she had killed Shondale.
43:45My phone starts to ring and it's Joyce.
43:49I did not answer the call.
43:52We continued to get pings on Joyce's phone.
43:56Every ping we got, she was getting closer to Florida.
44:00She continued to call approximately 25 times.
44:06Georgia State Patrol saw Joyce Pelzel's vehicle on I-75 South and attempted to initiate a traffic storm.
44:14She refused to stop on her.
44:18She refused to stop and began to increase her speed.
44:24Georgia State Patrol decided to initiate a pit maneuver on the car.
44:35When Georgia State Patrol got Joyce's car immobilized and they were approaching the vehicle,
44:44Joyce raises a gun and points it toward the direction of the officers.
44:48They began to open fire on the vehicle.
44:57Striking Joyce one time in the neck.
45:01At approximately 2.30 p.m., the call stopped.
45:12Joyce did not die from a gunshot wound.
45:16She was transported to a local hospital for treatment of her injuries.
45:21When she didn't die from that incident, it was like the lady had nine lives.
45:29On early Tuesday morning, December 11th, 2018, I got a phone call from Detective Guest.
45:37And all he said was,
45:40Roz is dead.
45:42Joyce is in custody.
45:43I will be in touch.
45:47I couldn't wrap my head around the fact that she killed Roz.
45:53I couldn't wrap my head around the fact that she could have been coming to also kill me.
46:03Once she was able to be released from the hospital, she was then transported to Rockdale County Jail for the
46:09charge of murder of Roz.
46:12Now that Joyce is in jail, I had the opportunity to interview her once again.
46:19Hopefully, she would, at this point, tell me what exactly happened to Shondell McCloud.
46:25Ms. Proza, what we're going to do is we're going to be questioning you about Shondell McCloud being missing.
46:32One thing I can pretty much remember from that is that I ended up leaving the household for the second
46:39party.
46:40Who was the second party?
46:42Rosalynn Lewis.
46:43Okay.
46:44She was jealous of Shondell.
46:47How was she killed?
46:48I'm not sure if they shot her or if they did that hole, they just pushed it, I'm not sure.
46:54When they picked her up, was a taser used on her?
46:57Because Roz had to come back and give you details.
47:00She had to boast about it.
47:02Roz cursed me out.
47:05And she said it was handled.
47:07I don't know.
47:09Joyce ends up telling the police exactly what she said she was going to do in the phone call to
47:15Katie Long.
47:16She blamed Rosalynn and she said that she was just a bystander.
47:21But no one believed it.
47:24The allegations that Joyce have made toward my sister is the most disrespectful, beyond evil.
47:32And the reason why you're blaming things on Roz is because she's not here to defend herself.
47:39Do I believe that Roz had anything at all to do with the Shondell's murder? Absolutely not.
47:45Is Shondell buried in that park, Arabian Park?
47:52Shondell.
47:52Okay.
47:55After we did a search on Arabian Mountain, we didn't find Shondell's body there.
48:02We found nothing.
48:04But I felt I had enough evidence to charge Joyce Pelzer for the murder of Shondell McLeod.
48:21Ultimately, Joyce Pelzer took a plea offer out in Rockdale County to the murder charges involving Rosalynn Lewis.
48:32We went to the hearing for her to be sentenced.
48:35When Joyce walked out of the doors into the courtroom, she showed no signs of remorse.
48:44When she was asked to say something, she held her head down and she never answered.
48:50You're sitting there in a courtroom with people who adored Rosalynn.
48:58And you don't have anything to say to this family.
49:02Not even an I'm sorry.
49:08You should ride in jail for the rest of your life.
49:26After Joyce was sentenced, Detective Guest came back to the DeKalb County District Attorney's Office
49:34and asked us to take another look at the suspected murder of Shondell McLeod.
49:40Detective Guest pointed out to us that we now had a third party confession from Katie Long.
49:48I knew that we had a case that we could present to a jury.
49:52It was the state's theory that Joyce was enraged about the breakup, about losing the home, and had decided to
50:01seek revenge.
50:04We believe that Shondell was kidnapped from her work and then held for some amount of time
50:10for ultimately being taken to the Arabia Mountain area where she was killed and buried.
50:16No body was recovered.
50:18But at this point, we have motive, we have opportunity, and we have a confession.
50:32In November 2023, I attended Joyce's trial and testified against her regarding her confession in the murder of Shondell.
50:43I had not seen Joyce since 2018.
50:48I was sitting in the stand watching her walk across the courtroom floor being escorted by two guards with chains
50:59around her ankles and handcuffs on her arms.
51:03And it was very chilling for me, very emotional to see her in a completely different light than the day
51:16that I had met her.
51:19When I was on the stand and answering questions, I actually stopped in the middle and broke down.
51:29She never looked up from the table, not once.
51:43Shondell's family will never get her back.
51:46And this verdict and the sentence that Joyce will have to serve doesn't change that.
51:54But there is now some measure of justice.
52:01This case is important to me because I'm a father myself. I have daughters.
52:05And if one of my kids went missing, God forbid, I would want somebody to work it the same way
52:13that I worked it.
52:16No parent should have to lose a child in the hands of somebody else and not let it be investigated
52:24all the way through.
52:29I feel very lucky to be alive today.
52:33I am extremely confident that after Joyce carried out the murder of Roz, I'm sure that she was coming for
52:42me next.
52:45I am mostly back to my old self, happy, enjoying life.
52:51I will be honest and say that the situation with Joyce still to this day affects my life.
52:59I don't think it's something that I will ever completely get over.
53:07But I have learned to cope with it.
53:36I am focusing on spending my life with six weeks and tens of thousands lots and tens of thousands of
53:39lives.
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