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With Google IO comes huge news that's sure to ripple across the tech industry, and not in the least because of how Gemini AI might connect with the iPhone 18. Google Search will see the biggest change of its lifespan with new AI technology, Gemini Flash 3.5 ups the ante in terms of speed and we're finally seeing Android XR hit the market in new smart glasses that could compete with Meta's range of smart glasses made in collaboration with EssilorLuxottica.
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00:00Google search is now AI search, right?
00:02Even if it's 95% accurate, there's still 5% time it will get stuff wrong.
00:06And so to my mind, that's kind of useless still.
00:08You can speak widgets into existence.
00:10So I think the example that I gave was,
00:12oh, give me three meals a week or something that's going to hit my protein count.
00:16The sort of slow encroachment of AI on your Google search experience
00:19feels all but complete with this update.
00:22This is what has turned Apple from using ChatGPT as the basis for next-gen Siri
00:27to using Gemini.
00:28I am not a space scientist, an astrophysicist.
00:31There, I got there in the end.
00:32I have no idea if that was correct.
00:34Doesn't matter. As Lance said, we don't really care.
00:35What if Tim Cook gets on stage and he realises, like,
00:38he can't let go of that rush and he goes all Wolf of Wall Street
00:40and he's all like, I'm not going anywhere.
00:47Welcome, everyone, to the 31st episode of the TechRadar podcast.
00:51My name is Josephine Watson and I'm joined today, as always, by Hamer Schechter.
00:54Hello.
00:55Lance Ulanoff.
00:56Hello.
00:56As well as Axel Metz.
00:58Hello.
00:58And Matt Bolton.
00:59Hello.
01:00We're recording today's episode right after Google I.O. and the Android show,
01:03where we had our first glimpse at a new age of search,
01:06agentic AI developments,
01:08and some exciting new features coming to an Android phone near you.
01:11And maybe even an iPhone or two, too.
01:14But before we dive into our discussion on all things Google,
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01:26With that, Hamish, can you kick us off with this episode's edition in case you missed it?
01:30No worries, Josie.
01:31Since our last podcast, Google launched a new Fitbit,
01:34a whoop-style set-and-forget-fitness band called the Fitbit Air.
01:38It's more affordable than the competition
01:40and harkens back to Fitbit's simpler origins
01:42with early impressions looking positive for the lightweight fitness gadget.
01:45At the other end of the price spectrum,
01:47Sony's 1000X The Collection
01:49are the brand's most expensive wireless headphones ever.
01:52And they're great, but not quite a slam dunk.
01:55Comfort and audio are a cut above what's come before,
01:58but the noise cancellation and battery life may leave you wanting more.
02:01We also got the launch of the Valve Steam Controller.
02:03It's an impressive handset,
02:05but the elephants in the room are the missing Steam Frame and Steam Machine.
02:08We still don't have a launch date for either,
02:10and it's not clear if that will change anytime soon.
02:13Speaking of launch date drama,
02:15the Trump T1 phone might finally be launching.
02:18Maybe?
02:19Following multiple delays and a massive change to the terms and conditions,
02:22suggesting the phone might never actually ship,
02:24it was announced the long overdue phones are finally on their way,
02:28though the saga isn't over yet.
02:30It's been reported that a security vulnerability in the Trump phone website
02:33can allow hackers to access almost all private information for customers,
02:38including their names and addresses.
02:40At the time of recording,
02:41Trump Mobile hasn't responded to the reports,
02:43but it's safe to say this is close to the worst possible outcome for Trump phone purchases.
02:47Speaking of things going horribly wrong,
02:50ChatGPT is getting a new personal finance experience
02:53that will see the AI use your banking information to offer financial advice
02:57on everything from daily budgeting to long-term savings.
02:59Given AI's ability to get things wrong or hallucinate
03:02if AI companies want to be cute about it,
03:05this feels like a disaster waiting to happen.
03:07We're not qualified to offer financial advice here at TechRadar,
03:10but if your chatbot tells you to stop buying groceries
03:12and start buying NVIDIA and AI company stocks,
03:15maybe think twice.
03:16Lastly, we got a date for WWDC.
03:18It kicks off on June 8th,
03:20and it's where we'll hopefully see the iPhone's long-awaited AI upgrades
03:23in all of their glory.
03:25Thanks, Hamish.
03:26A real mixed bag this week.
03:27I could take a whole episode talking just about
03:30why giving ChatGPT your financial information
03:32and taking its advice might not be a good idea,
03:35not in the least because when we used ChatGPT to build a PC recently,
03:39we had an interesting time getting some of the recommendations off the ground.
03:42But we're not going to cover that one in too much depth this week
03:45because I actually wanted to pass over to you, Matt,
03:48to tell us a little bit more about these Sony 1000X,
03:50the collection, headphones.
03:52A lot of Xs in there, a lot going on.
03:55I've just taken to calling them the collection on account of my sanity.
03:58Yeah.
03:58Yeah, so they're the most expensive wireless headphones Sony has done
04:02because it has a super expensive pair of wired Pro headphones
04:05that are like, oh, they're truly elite end of stuff.
04:07Right.
04:08So the collection are just, well, what if we took a load of the technology
04:11that's in the WH-1000XM6, the current flagships,
04:15and kind of went, okay, but what if we could go for more of an audiophile sound?
04:21What if we didn't worry too much about making them super light and portable
04:25so we could have lovely brushed metal finish detailing and things like that?
04:31And, I mean, really reading between the lines,
04:34what's going on here is AirPods Max are wildly popular
04:37and Sony has gone, I'd like some of that action, if you please.
04:41And thank you, hopefully.
04:43Yes, exactly.
04:43And how are they to use?
04:44You've actually tried them a little bit, right?
04:45Yeah, I mean, the comfort is kind of the game changer of them.
04:48They, Sony's designed them to not have so much clamping pressure on the sides
04:53and to have like a larger gap in the ear cups.
04:58So they go, they give your ear even more of a wider berth around them
05:01and super plush ear pads as well.
05:05You can just sink into them.
05:06You can wear them forever.
05:07There's no problem.
05:07They're heavier than Sony's other headphones,
05:09but they're still a lot lighter than the AirPods Max.
05:13And, yeah, they're just, you know, I can wear them with glasses, no problem.
05:17I can wear them for a really long time, no problem.
05:19And like AirPods Max are quite clampy.
05:21They're quite firm.
05:22And honestly, depending on like what kind of glasses you wear,
05:26they can get a bit fatiguing.
05:28Yeah.
05:29These Sony ones, you know,
05:30we've given them to a few different people to try.
05:32Everyone's just like, oh, these are lovely.
05:34These are great.
05:35Obviously, we're making that comparison here between the AirPods Max.
05:39A lot of the sort of strength that Apple has is how it works with the ecosystem.
05:42Do you think Sony's going to have enough of a customer base
05:44if it's really trying to go for those same people?
05:47Oh, well, I mean, people love Sony,
05:49but the advantage is the kind of it's bringing as many of the mod cons
05:53of the AirPods Max as it can, but in a platform neutral mode.
05:58So, you know, if you have, even if you're an Apple user and you have an iPhone,
06:02maybe you have a Windows PC as well.
06:04AirPods Max is not going to do automatic switching between them.
06:06True.
06:07But the Sony will.
06:08Or if you just want whatever the equivalent of AirPods Max is,
06:12but for Android, that is what Sony is offering.
06:14Like, it's just that kind of, you know, Apple's, you know, closeness,
06:18Apple locking AirPods into itself has just left a big opportunity
06:22that has never really been filled.
06:24And Sony is going for it.
06:26They're sort of available for pre-order now.
06:29They've got, maybe this will have changed by the time this episode goes out,
06:32but literally at launch, Sony was just like,
06:34they'll be available in May.
06:36And you're like, oh, good.
06:36Well, there's only a few days left in May.
06:38It is May.
06:39May is now.
06:40No, just May.
06:41Do we have absolute confirmation it's May this year, though?
06:44Well, currently, yes.
06:45But, you know, times change.
06:46It will release in a May at some point.
06:48It may release.
06:50That's awful.
06:51Fired.
06:52Everyone's fired.
06:53We're both so excited to make the same crap joke as well.
06:56Excellent.
06:56Okay.
06:57Very interesting.
06:57Would you potentially swap out any of your products for them?
07:00Or are you quite bedded in with what you have?
07:03For ovaries, I use a pair of Bose Ultra.
07:05Right.
07:05And I could be tempted to switch.
07:09Something Hamish kind of referenced earlier is the thing about the collection is even though
07:13they have all of Sony's, like, most advanced tech in, Sony was super clear with me that
07:18they actually don't expect it to be as good at noise cancellation as the XM6 because of
07:23the focus on comfort.
07:25Interesting.
07:25The clamping force is important to seal out the outside sound.
07:29So by taking a more relaxed fit, there's the potential for more sound to leak in.
07:33And not just the potential, that's what we found.
07:35By comparing them side by side, we've gone, right, if you want the best noise cancelling,
07:39that's the XM6.
07:41The collection's noise cancelling is really good, but it's not absolutely, it's not 10
07:46out of 10.
07:46It's 9 out of 10.
07:47It's interesting.
07:48Do we actually think that that sort of scale of difference for noise cancelling is something
07:53that the average listener will care about as well?
07:56No, but the average listener isn't paying ÂŁ550, ÂŁ650 for those headphones.
08:02So there is a, like, decision to be made around if you're paying that much, do you want the
08:08best of the best noise cancellation?
08:10But the funny thing is, nothing at that price level gives you best of the best noise cancellation
08:15because it's all the audiophile brands up there and they're all going more for audio
08:19fidelity than for the noise cancellation.
08:22It is, funnily enough, the Bose and Sony headphones that are, like, $200 cheaper than the Collection
08:29or AirPods Max that give you the best of the best noise cancellation.
08:32If you do want to read our full review on the Sony 1000X, the Collection headphones, you
08:36can check out our YouTube channel or the link in the description box below for the full review
08:40on techradar.com.
08:41So I want to move straight on to IOTalk after that because there was so much to cover, nearly
08:46two-hour presentation.
08:48Some of us were surprised that it was so short.
08:50Some of us were surprised that it was so long.
08:52I definitely was falling into the latter camp.
08:54But Lance, you felt that was a short demo from them this year, right?
08:59I've gone through three-hour Google I.O.
09:02So keynotes would just go on.
09:05This, look, this was two hours and maybe it felt longer because there was so much in it.
09:11There were so many different ways to say AI.
09:14Yeah.
09:14So many different names for different products.
09:17And the big takeaway is the fundamental change in Google search, something I've been doing
09:24for, I don't know, 26 years, something like that.
09:28It's a huge change.
09:30And we're going to go into it a little bit more in a second.
09:32I mean, you mentioned there about the fact that there was just so much mentioned.
09:35We had Gemini Omni, which can create anything from anything, was their tagline for that one.
09:40We heard about Gemini Spark's agentic AI experience, a new Gemini 3.5 flash model with,
09:45according to Google, four times faster speeds.
09:47A new anti-gravity 2.0 app.
09:50And that's just the stuff that's forming the building blocks of what you were then bringing
09:54up there, Lance, which is the new search experience.
09:57And I think that's the real overarching story here, right?
10:00Is that all of these different AI products are now being blended and combined together
10:04in different product sets for different consumers.
10:06Google search is arguably the biggest one because it's the biggest change we've seen ever.
10:11So Lance, tell us more about what's happening with Google search now.
10:14Yeah.
10:15I mean, it's a wonder they didn't rename it to Gemini Search.
10:18I mean, it's really, you know, the sort of slow encroachment of AI on your Google search
10:24experience feels all but complete with this update, which is highlighted sort of top to
10:31top, the top level is the intelligence search box, which is live now, apparently.
10:37And it really, you know, this is such a fundamental part of our search experience.
10:42It's the, you know, Google's always kept a really simple interface.
10:45The box has been very clean.
10:47Yes, they've added AI mode and the results bring AI overviews.
10:51But this is sort of jumping to infuse AI in the box itself.
10:56It's kind of like watching what you're doing, trying to help you create a better query.
11:03It allows you to throw in multiple images.
11:06So it's multimodal at the same time.
11:09It really becomes a lot more like a prompt space than a query space.
11:16And so it's almost encouraging you to be conversational.
11:21The box will just extend to any length.
11:23It doesn't matter.
11:24You just keep typing in what you want.
11:26And then, you know, of course, the result is going to be like your AI overview.
11:32Although Google has said, you know, two things Google said to me is that one, you can't opt
11:37out of this, but two, classic search results are not going away.
11:42Of course, they're going to be below the big AI overview result that you get.
11:48But, you know, it's agentic.
11:51You know, your search is going to, you know, you could set it up to kind of constantly do
11:56a search on, say, apartment listings or, you know, a price drops on the favorite car you
12:01want, booking directly through that, through like everything that you might do on a third
12:08party site seems to be sort of folded into Google search.
12:12Yes, they're kind of reaching out to that.
12:14But why visit that when AI can do it for you?
12:17So, you know, it could do, you know, set up your home appare appointment, make the call
12:22for you if you've got pet care.
12:25One of the big ones, and of course, I kept thinking about you, Josie, when they mentioned
12:29this was Universal Cart, because you just did that big project where you built a PC and
12:37used AI to help you and sort of doing all these, you know, trying to get the right parts and
12:41everything and best prices.
12:43But what was really interesting is that the process kind of ends up for anything, any collection
12:49of things you're buying sort of ends up in Google, where not only could it sort of put
12:55it all in the cart and then work with the third parties, and there is sort of an API for
12:59these
12:59third parties to work with to enable this.
13:03But basically, it will even do like, oh, you're doing a build on a PC?
13:06Guess what?
13:07These two parts don't work together.
13:08I'll find you the right part.
13:10So just sort of doing all that inside of it with this Universal Cart.
13:14But, you know, Google was careful to say, it's not just going to go out and buy this stuff.
13:17You still have to sort of OK that.
13:19But that feels like just one step away, you know, that it'll be doing that soon.
13:23And then the other, actually, the part, and I don't know that a lot of people talk too
13:26much about this because it was kind of trying to wrap your head around it, is when Gemini
13:313.5 Flash, which is, you know, stuffed inside of it, can build mini simulations on the fly
13:38based on your query.
13:40What do you want to know about Black Hole?
13:42Oh, you know what?
13:43Here's a simulation to show you what it looks like.
13:45That didn't exist on any other site.
13:47It just created it there for you in real time.
13:50You can even create little mini apps.
13:51And I think it's worth a discussion here about what does this mean?
13:55If Google is creating apps in search, what does this mean for apps on the Apple App Store?
14:01You know, where they're trying to do the...
14:03It's like, you remember the old term Sherlocking, where how many apps get Sherlocked because of
14:08this new feature in Google Search?
14:10Yeah, it's a really interesting time to be a developer.
14:15By interesting, I mean probably rather depressing.
14:18Yeah, there's a lot to unpack there.
14:21I wanted to start with just like that core change that's coming of how you interact with
14:27Google Search, right?
14:28The fact that it's becoming a long text box, the fact that the autocomplete is now AI powered
14:34rather than query search term volume powered, which it has been for a long time.
14:40My question is, where is a lot of that information coming from?
14:43It's probably your personal search history, your Google account, the things you've done.
14:46I think there was even a mention in there of the Google Search knew how many kids one of
14:50the presenters on stage had.
14:52Not sure I love that.
14:54But obviously, I say obviously, I imagine when this comes to market, there will be a lot about
15:00the privacy and how much of your data Google is allowed access to, I would hope.
15:05In some ways, it's just being more revealing.
15:08Google already knows how many kids you have.
15:10Yeah, yeah.
15:11It does all this information.
15:12None of this is like new information that's being created to feed into the AI.
15:15It's just we're kind of being open about it now.
15:18Yeah.
15:18I was just going to add that Google is encouraging you to share more of your personal information
15:23with the system because personal intelligence is also expanding.
15:26And personal intelligence for search is where you're connecting your mail, connecting your
15:30calendar, connecting your photos, like anything that's sort of within the Google platform space
15:36you connect in.
15:37So your search becomes very personal and theoretically very powerful.
15:42So, you know, yes, you don't have to do this, but Google certainly wants you to.
15:47Yeah.
15:48And they had that whole tagline, a tagline throughout the whole event of Google search is now AI search,
15:54right?
15:54That was the whole thing, the whole spiel of the show.
15:59So talking about some of those, you know, modal widgets that can be created and stuff,
16:03I just have this vision of like just trying to search something really simple and just
16:07getting the abundant results with a widget and animation and the shop.
16:11I don't want that.
16:12And I think a lot of people don't.
16:13And that considering the concerns that we have about AI energy usage feels a little bit
16:20spooky.
16:20So I'm interested to see as it rolls out how much ability you have to say, hey, cut the
16:25crap and just give me the first 10 page results, please.
16:27And thank you.
16:28Yeah.
16:28Because when I search something, I either want like a very specific result, like I'm
16:33looking for some website or yeah, like if I'm looking to buy a flat, I don't want the
16:38AI to spit out here are some possible things.
16:39I want to physically go through all of the options and have my say, maybe check across
16:44a few different sites.
16:46Yeah.
16:46Okay.
16:46It's a little bit inconvenient, but then I can fully trust the information that I've seen,
16:50right?
16:50Because that's the big thing with AI is, yeah, it's getting more accurate, but it's still
16:55not 100% reliable, even at sort of regurgitating information.
17:00And so even if it's 95% accurate, there's still 5% time it will get stuff wrong.
17:05And so to my mind, that's kind of useless still.
17:09And so I don't know.
17:11It just feels so messy.
17:14It feels messy.
17:15And I feel like this idea that they're trying to make AI search more of a thing, again,
17:20it just sort of seems like, okay, ChatGPT, I guess, was trying to do AI search.
17:24But again, I don't think ChatGPT is even like that ubiquitously popular, whereas Google search
17:29has been.
17:30I feel like this is trying to reinvent the wheel because you've seen someone else is doing
17:33it differently without maybe realizing that you've already got a pretty much a perfect
17:38wheel and you're just making it worse because someone else was made something that was a
17:44bit different.
17:44I don't know that it's just, I mean, Google looked at the numbers.
17:49I mean, clearly, you know, so I was, I cited one report in my story that mentioned, so Google
17:56search owns at least 80% of the search market, but, you know, somewhere in closing in on 20%
18:05or some high teens percentage is Chat.
18:09Now, I think the problem is that the definition of search has gotten really fuzzy.
18:14But the fact that ChatGPT became a verb in the last year where people chat something definitely
18:24raised some alarms inside of Google because the trend was shifting away from using Google
18:29search to do what we've always done.
18:32And the other thing I'll add is that, you know, whether or not these results are accurate,
18:38it's funny how people treat things that are delivered with a smile.
18:43And every AI overview is kind of conversational and friendly and not sterile like traditional
18:51results.
18:52So you're more apt to be like, I trust it because it sounds like my friend that for better or
18:59worse.
18:59I think there's a thing with all of this of also the intent.
19:03And, you know, Hamish, you're saying about they had a perfect wheel and you were saying
19:08about when I search for something, I kind of know what I'm looking for in the results.
19:14But I mean, you work for a major tech website.
19:17We all work for a major tech website.
19:19We're pretty like au fait.
19:22We're au fait with internet searching.
19:23We have quite specific things we want out of a particular Google search.
19:28The, you know, the thing that's going on right now is the kind of opening up of how people
19:35can find and retrieve information.
19:37And what Lance is saying is like search is changing.
19:40The concept of what it means to search for something is changing.
19:42I found myself thinking last night about like what Google's metrics for success are.
19:47And we kind of we've all reached a certain conclusion that part of Google's metrics for success
19:52are people don't leave Google.
19:54They get all the information they want within Google and they stay within that that one page.
19:58And hopefully they do a second query.
20:00And it's like the follow up queries are clearly something it wants.
20:03I also found myself thinking if I was Google, one of the things I might take as a measure
20:07of success is the length of queries that people are putting into the search engine.
20:13Right.
20:13Because, again, Hamish, when you talk about like, you know, you know, knowing how to search
20:19and knowing what you're looking for, I think of how we were all kind of trained to search
20:23for things on Google in just really simple keyword terms and to leave out all the extraneous
20:28that we were taught.
20:29Like, there's no point saying putting like I'm looking for barbers in Bath in London,
20:38whatever.
20:38You just cut out the in, cut out the the.
20:40You just put the keywords.
20:42And now I think Google is trying to say like, no, no, no.
20:45Just ask what you really want to ask and maybe we can help you find a maybe even a better
20:50result.
20:51Actually, I think we would all say it's not necessarily a better result, but it is maybe
20:55a more friendly result.
20:57It's a more passable result, even though the one thing I will say is even for simple
21:01queries, I think Gemini is quite chatty.
21:04It's quite verbose.
21:06It loves to give you three sections of an answer for something that really just needs
21:10a paragraph.
21:11Well, and sometimes they're actually not the answer you've asked for either.
21:13Yeah, I think that's the problem I have with it.
21:15It feels like Hamish was saying they're kind of running before they can walk.
21:18They haven't, you know, you still have to do your due diligence every time you search
21:21for something because you're not convinced that it's the right answer.
21:23Like earlier, we were looking up best phone and it gave me a phone from two years ago.
21:27And I think Lance is right in that people are going, you know, through different avenues
21:31to find what they want.
21:32But I don't think Google is responding in the way.
21:34OK, so like I know people who use TikTok as a search engine because they go straight to
21:39a video where a human person shows them how to answer their query or they go to
21:43Reddit because, all right, you know, Reddit is sometimes a bit of a cesspit, but it's
21:46actual people writing things that they've experienced.
21:48Well, let's not go overboard.
21:49Hopefully, yes.
21:50We do now have a Reddit community as well.
21:52So follow us there if you want to be part of the cesspit.
21:54So this just feels like we've already got a situation where you search for something,
21:58you get a nice pretty box that's like easy to read, but you're not quite convinced that
22:01it's the right answer.
22:02And it just feels like we're just like extending the box with the same thing.
22:05Like personally, I'm going to scroll down beyond the box.
22:08I don't know how long that's going to last.
22:10Maybe it'll become too far down the scroll.
22:11I agree, although I think there is a thing of like saying, oh, AI is only 95% right.
22:16That kind of makes it useless.
22:17I wonder what the percentage of TikTok videos that are right are.
22:20I guess we're probably part of the minority.
22:22I kind of see what you're saying.
22:23It's like a lot of people do kind of like AI and they like the chattiness.
22:27I mean, a lot of people got upset when various companies make their AI less chatty and less
22:32friendly.
22:33They sort of trust this thing a bit more.
22:35So, yeah.
22:36And then they make it their girlfriend.
22:37I'm going to be old man waves fist at clouds.
22:40Well, I think there is a very like practical truth to this in terms of what we all do for
22:45a living as well.
22:46And it's one that if you are watching, listening and you watch or listen a lot of content from
22:51tech publications, you'll have heard this already, which is that the quality of information
22:55is the backbone of how good the results are going to be.
22:59And if search isn't working for websites, it isn't going to work as something that can
23:04provide data.
23:05And it's going to be a very interesting next couple of years to see how Google navigates
23:11the squashing of information that will be happening from what it now calls trusted sources.
23:16If trusted sources are going to become all Reddit and TikTok, you might get some very different
23:22answers from your search in the next few years.
23:24The whole business model relies on accurate information.
23:26You know, it's like an aggregator.
23:27It's not a creator.
23:28So it needs to keep or at least tell people, tell publications and things how they want
23:33the information to be presented and delivered.
23:35You know, because we all want people to get accurate information.
23:37We want people to read our information.
23:39But at the moment, there's this like kind of, you know, tension between how what we write
23:43it gets seen and how it gets, you know, and it's something that I think everyone should
23:47observe.
23:48I don't think there's anything anyone can really do apart from identifying your own
23:52trusted sources and going directly to them.
23:54Hopefully we're one of them.
23:55But it isn't a noteworthy change that a lot of people I don't think realise is going to
24:00be squashed in the next few years.
24:02I was just going to add briefly that I think it's worth remembering that people are more
24:08interested in information than they are in accuracy.
24:11And I'm talking very broadly.
24:13I wish this were not true, but I've seen evidence of it.
24:17And I think it's a learning that Google may have taken that, you know, the reason to go
24:22fast is that they want it to be accurate.
24:24They'll work on that.
24:25But they think it's more important to get it in front of as many people as possible with
24:30whatever's in there, because people just want their information.
24:33They just they want an answer.
24:35It's given to them.
24:37They're not very discerning about what the answer is, about the accuracy of it.
24:41And they run off and they take that.
24:42That's the answer they have, whether or not it is 100% expert, accurate.
24:47I think it's just the reality of the world we live in.
24:49So nihilistic, though, isn't it?
24:52Welcome to the 2020s.
24:55There are areas where I think some of the search changes they're talking about making
24:58were slightly more interesting to me.
25:00And that's in Ask Maps and Ask YouTube in terms of the conversational experience.
25:05I want to find this very specific place or I want to find this very specific video.
25:09More so on the video side, I think there's a lot of usefulness there in how to's.
25:14If you are able to go to Ask YouTube and put in these very specific things, like I want
25:19it to be published within this amount of time from a channel with this, that and the other,
25:23then I could see that being useful.
25:24They did say that you can search within a video, too.
25:27So you can get really to like the specific part in a video that you're looking for.
25:31So I think it gets, it's going to get very specific.
25:34Yeah, it's interesting.
25:35I think it's fairly clear where we all stand on the search side of things in that probably
25:40not the biggest fans of it here.
25:42If you look at it objectively in terms of how impressive it is that this is possible,
25:46I'm sure you can look at it and say, yeah, fair enough.
25:49It's really that Hamish still know.
25:50I feel skeptical about all that.
25:52The black hole thing was cool, though.
25:54The black hole thing was cool.
25:54I thought that was quite cool.
25:56However, I am not a space scientist, an astrophysicist there.
26:00I got there in the end.
26:01I have no idea if that was correct.
26:03Doesn't matter.
26:04As Lance said, we don't really care.
26:05It looks nice.
26:06I know that much.
26:07Now, I did want to shout out something else that I did like and that's part of this new
26:12search experience, which is SynthID.
26:13That's already been partnered with NVIDIA for a year now, and it's coming to OpenAI, Kakao
26:19and Eleven Labs.
26:22It's a big, it's a big, we're cleaning up our own mess moment kind of thing.
26:25But the ability to actually verify whether or not content is AI generated by creating
26:29these invisible water stamps.
26:31I don't ever think that's going to be a bad thing.
26:33I don't think you can call that a bad thing.
26:34So in all of this AI boohoo, there was one thing that was a yahoo.
26:40I do wonder if there are now going to be companies that are going to try and work out how
26:44to,
26:45because they already try and find these watermarks and try and disguise it.
26:48So there'll be companies now trying to find these new watermarks.
26:51Yeah.
26:51So then you feed the image into this other system that's not playing by the rules.
26:56It scrubs out the watermark and then it seems real again.
26:59Right.
26:59There's a lot of open source AI systems around.
27:01And of course, the ironic thing being identifying and being able to work out what these invisible
27:11watermarks look like in the code or in the data is exactly the kind of thing AI is good at.
27:17Yes.
27:18Now, there was a lot of talk about AI last night.
27:21I think at least an hour and a half of the presentation was about AI in some way, shape
27:26or form.
27:26And that meant Android XR didn't necessarily get as much screen time as I think you were
27:31certainly hoping for.
27:32We did see a little glimpse of the fruits of this mega collaboration between Google, Samsung
27:37and Warby Parker slash Gentle Monster.
27:40They said their mission is to make intelligent eyewear that is better looking than regular
27:44eyewear.
27:45Do you think they succeeded?
27:46I think so.
27:48I mean, I sort of wrote a piece on it.
27:49And I think the fact that the Gentle Monster design they showed off, I think, looks kind
27:53of ugly.
27:54Was that the rounded one?
27:55The rounded one.
27:55I quite liked those.
27:56But that's why I think that that's actually a success because I think glasses obviously
28:01are a useful thing, but they're also you pick out a design that you like.
28:06And so it's a sense of your own identity.
28:07And so having more variety in designs, I think, is what you really need because, you know,
28:13not everyone wants the sort of Wayfarer style glasses.
28:16Now, the Warby Parker signs did look very Rayman Wayfarer-esque, I guess, because that's
28:21sort of the standard shape.
28:22I mean, the three of us wearing glasses at the moment all have the same shape.
28:26So it proves that it's popular.
28:28But I think, you know, brands like Gentle Monster coming in and even like the Oakley
28:32glasses from Meta that, again, have that very weird and distinctive shapes are fantastic
28:37from that perspective.
28:38And I think from the technological side, so far, they didn't really say anything that
28:43isn't, I mean, it's basically the Meta glasses.
28:46There was nothing particularly new and unique to these.
28:49It's exciting to see them doing it.
28:51I mean, Gemini has some advantages over Meta AI, which I think is what they're hoping to
28:55leverage.
28:55And it was interesting that we're not going to see much of it right now, because obviously
29:00all of this stuff, even Meta's, are very dependent on an app on your phone or your phone in general.
29:05But very much Samsung's thing being this is an accessory for your smartphone, like a smart
29:12watch, whereas Meta's long-term goal has seemingly been this will replace your smartphone.
29:17And so it's interesting to see that difference.
29:19And I wonder how that will materialize.
29:22I think we've talked about previously, having your phone for like on-device AI would be really
29:27helpful for privacy, whereas Meta obviously might want to use its cloud, which then you
29:31have privacy concerns because once data is in the cloud, it's not 100% secure anymore.
29:36So that might materialize in some way.
29:38But it's cool that they're coming.
29:41But again, the frustration, perhaps because there was no time to talk about it, is we've
29:45still got the promise of coming soon.
29:47I mean, they keep saying 2026, so, you know, we're almost halfway through the year, so they've
29:52got only six months or so left to launch it.
29:54But it'd be nice if we had a release date.
29:56I think they said the fall, didn't they?
29:57They said, yeah.
29:58The fall, but yeah, okay.
29:59That's still, you know, it'd be nice to have a release date, maybe an idea of pricing,
30:03maybe something a bit sooner, especially because Meta is ahead with things like having a display.
30:08There is no talk yet of glasses with a display, and the longer Google and its partners wait
30:14to do that kind of thing, the more far behind they feel.
30:18Now, you could say, oh, well, they've got Project Aura, which is from Xreal, which has
30:22a display, and it was technically at I.O., but it wasn't at the keynote presentation.
30:25It's for people that are there.
30:27But again, the disadvantage they have, perhaps an advantage depending how you look at it,
30:32is they are wired rather than wireless.
30:34So they are connected to a permanent compete puck, which is great for battery life, and
30:40it's great for, you know, more in-depth use cases, because you've got a little bit more
30:44power in that little puck.
30:45But obviously, you can't really walk around with a big wire hanging off you.
30:48It's a little bit awkward.
30:49And so, I don't know, I kind of want to see what Google's doing, but it's hard to judge
30:54what it's going to be like until we've actually got it in people's hands in real life, and
30:59not just at a tech show.
31:00The question we're asking in some ways is like, is Google about to miss the boats?
31:03But, like, this boat is nowhere near sailing.
31:07This boat is still under construction.
31:09Like, you know, it's like Apple not having any glasses proposition yet.
31:13Maybe we'll see something this year, maybe not.
31:15But, like, there is no chance of missing this right now, because we are nowhere near ready
31:24for these to go mainstream, not just in terms of what they offer, but in terms of, like,
31:28acceptance.
31:29And it's okay if I buy these and wear them all the time.
31:33But I'm like, from any large-scale measure of success, we're nowhere.
31:38Like, so there's, it's all to play for.
31:41You know, last year, I believe last year, they showed something with this display embedded,
31:45right?
31:46They showed, they gave us a glimpse of Aura.
31:50And so I thought it was really weird that we were kind of going backwards.
31:54Yeah, the demo was very, very simple.
31:56Right.
31:56They showed, they showed off.
31:58I mean, they were, you know, basically it was a design preview because it wasn't any more,
32:04first of all, we know it's not more advanced than what we've seen from other companies.
32:08I mean, heck, even Amazon with Echo Frames has, has this covered to some extent, but I just
32:15thought it was a little bit odd.
32:16And what I came away from that thinking is, okay, they really haven't made any advancements
32:22in Project Aura since I saw it in December and tried it.
32:25And I thought it was impressive, but I just felt like they're just not ready to show.
32:31Because otherwise, if they had something really cool and, you know, that was closer to finish,
32:36they would have had it on stage.
32:38I think what they were doing there was really tying it again to the new Gemini.
32:43And so it was the demos we saw were about, you know, the one that stuck out to me from
32:49it was the, the like controlling your phone demo, the kind of agentic one where it's saying,
32:55like, oh, I'd like to order my favorite thing from that coffee shop I just passed.
33:00And they had the screen capture of a phone, just like going through the app and putting
33:06in the order.
33:07I'm like, I feel like that's why probably they weren't focusing on bringing back out
33:13the camera stuff and showing advancements there is they're like, this is another showcase
33:17of Gemini Spark and the agentic stuff that is the larger focus of what we're doing.
33:21So it's kind of part of that story.
33:25And that still ties into what you guys are saying in terms of it leaves the glasses that
33:29are actually an afterthought.
33:30Yeah.
33:30Just, just another arm in the great spindle of Gemini.
33:34Yeah.
33:34The other thing I do wonder is obviously, I think Lance, you also would have seen like
33:38the Samsung prototype that I think was more like the meta Ray-Ban in terms of display,
33:43or maybe Jake saw it at an event as well.
33:45But, and I know that the meta hasn't said specifically why there's been a delay, but the meta Ray-Ban
33:53displays were meant to have launched as far as I understand in the UK and Canada and other
33:57locations by this point now, but they haven't.
34:00They're still exclusive to the US.
34:02They made some reference to the fact that it sold very well in the US more than they had
34:08units of or something like that.
34:10So maybe there's been a, either way more interest or a production issue or a bit of both.
34:15And so I do wonder if that's also held things up because we know that there are various sort
34:20of global strains on shipping and getting certain components right now that's increasing prices
34:26and decreasing availability.
34:28So I do wonder if that's played into Samsung and Google's approach being like, look, we can't
34:33really deliver this product on the scale or at the price that we want right now with glass,
34:38with the display, as you sort of saying that, it's not quite super popular yet.
34:42I was looking at apparently, they're expecting to have sold like 20 million meta Ray-Ban smart
34:46glasses by the end of the year.
34:48So...
34:48Is that including first, second and display?
34:50I was trying to work it out, but I think it's still like, that's still not a bad number.
34:54It's only been going for a couple of years.
34:56Yeah, yeah.
34:57And so I think there's all these different factors going on.
35:01And so I'm maybe, it's disappointing, but I'm not 100% surprised that they haven't shown
35:06them off.
35:06I think some of the rumours are that they wouldn't show off the display ones until next
35:10year and like launch them next year.
35:12But I wrote in some of my pieces that I thought they might put them next to it again to
35:16be
35:16like, we're not, you know, they're here, we're doing something, still be excited, keep
35:19the hype going.
35:20Yeah.
35:21I was wrong on that.
35:22I also wouldn't be surprised at all if there is just a fundamental problem with battery life
35:27for screen-based ones around like, they probably have some market research saying
35:31how long would the battery need to last for you to find these to be worthwhile?
35:35How long can we get the battery to last?
35:37And I wonder how big the gap between those two things is.
35:40I imagine large.
35:41I imagine large.
35:43I think there's the lack of demos on stage.
35:46I kind of understand as well, because these things are notoriously hard to demo on stage.
35:50I don't think I've ever seen smart glasses go up on stage and work flawlessly.
35:54Fair play to Google for doing so many live demos, I will say.
35:57Although my favorite was the live demo, the one live demo that I don't think was actually
36:01live, which was Gemini deciding to play Charlie XCX based on the crowd vibe, except he hadn't
36:07even finished the sentence of saying that's what it was going to do, let alone asking it
36:11to before it starts playing.
36:12However, it's Charlie XCX is a banger, so it's good anyway.
36:15They've got a good taste.
36:16So we also heard mentioned at the show that users will be able to build full Android apps
36:21with prompts in Google AI Studio, which will eventually be publishable to the Play Store
36:25straight from Studio, or you can also plug in your phone and install the app directly
36:29for testing, which is pretty exciting.
36:32And that leads nicely onto the next subject, which is a little bit more of the Android
36:35side, because the Android show was just a week before Google I.O.
36:39What's the latest from that?
36:41I mean, in many ways, it was a more interesting show from a consumer point of view.
36:46But yeah, Google's approach to Android 17 is all about letting you do more things in
36:50fewer steps in a more personalized way, which is kind of the theme of I.O.
36:54and the Android show, right?
36:55This is what all of Google's products are aiming to do.
36:57So the big news is another term, another keyword, Gemini intelligence.
37:01So you probably have guessed or smidged that one together, which is a new,
37:04agentic form of Gemini, which can move between apps and, you know, carry out tasks
37:08and do things for you without you having to do those tasks for yourself.
37:12So jumping between apps and that sort of thing.
37:14Google gave the example of Gemini adding a list of books to your shopping cart based on an email
37:19that you received in your Gmail or like being able to book a front row at a spin class.
37:24So yeah, the idea is that you won't have to jump between these apps yourself.
37:28I think you will obviously still get final approval about what gets bought and that sort of thing.
37:32But I mean, in principle, it sounds really impressive.
37:35And it's probably the most like it's the use case of AI that we all thought would be possible
37:39and hope would be possible.
37:41But Matt, you were talking to me about that meme earlier where like I wouldn't let,
37:44I still wouldn't let an agentic AI book me things beyond maybe like a takeaway.
37:50I certainly wouldn't let it book tickets or like buy me clothes or things.
37:53I'm still like very much, I'm happy to go and do that research myself.
37:57Like make sure I'm getting the best price.
37:59Make sure the product that I'm buying is the right product.
38:02So again, it's all very impressive stuff.
38:04And it's like really well integrated and it goes on behind the scenes.
38:07But I'm not sure yet whether people are going to be like,
38:10yeah, I'm going to give complete control over to this Gemini model.
38:13I don't even know exactly what you want, maybe.
38:15But like if you're asking it for recommendations,
38:17I mean, got in that project that Lance mentioned earlier that we did with PC building.
38:22It sent me a toupee link instead of, I think it was a CPU that was supposed to be sending
38:27me.
38:27And I got a link to a toupee instead.
38:29Toupee as in?
38:30Yeah, yeah, no, a hairpiece.
38:31Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:32Cool.
38:33Still not sure why.
38:34I did ask it and it was like, oopsie.
38:38So, you know, it's not quite where it needs to be for that.
38:41But yeah, so for routine-based stuff, I think it's going to be fine.
38:44So yeah, like the examples that it gave, like a spin class or a shopping list,
38:47things that you do every week, it's going to be fine.
38:48Your DoorDash.
38:49Your DoorDash, exactly.
38:50But there is interesting, I mean, under the umbrella term of Gemini Intelligence,
38:54there was like so many smaller features which aren't necessarily agentic stuff.
38:58So they gave the example of custom widgets,
39:00which is kind of like the Vive coding thing you were talking about, Hamish.
39:03So you can speak widgets into existence.
39:05So I think the example they gave was, oh, give me three meals a week or something
39:10that's going to hit my protein count or, you know, count down to when my marathon is.
39:15So it's like super personalized widgets that obviously it gets the information
39:18from your calendar or your messages or whatever.
39:21So you do have to give that information up.
39:23But like you said, man, they're really good at it anyway.
39:24I think that kind of thing is quite useful for people who maybe just want a very specific thing.
39:29Because I think we've all been there, like this app's almost perfect,
39:32but I wish it could do this and then you can just get this thing to do it for you
39:36and start running this app for you.
39:39I'm kind of surprised they're letting people publish them to the Play Store.
39:42Because the one thing I've seen with people talking about Vive coding
39:46is they're not always great at following, like going back to the Trump story,
39:51security protocols and things like that.
39:53And so if you've got data that might be managing multiple people's stuff,
39:57there can be issues.
39:58That's why a lot of bigger companies still need lots of human developers doing stuff.
40:03So I don't know.
40:04I feel like that's an accident waiting to happen with all of these Vive coded apps.
40:08Well, there's two things.
40:09There's the one which is that eventually is the operative word here.
40:13Eventually.
40:13Eventually this will come to the Play Store.
40:15And I think in the short term, it will be shareable with friends and family.
40:18Okay.
40:19But also, I imagine because he's a bit, this one I'm talking about is the Google AI Studio stuff,
40:24which I think is different to the widget.
40:26So widgets are essentially, you know, you can build a widget on your phone now,
40:29but it's like clocks, stocks and two smoking barrels, no?
40:32Clocks, stocks and, you know, like weather and stuff like that.
40:35It's like super basic.
40:36And there are ways that you can customize these widgets visually with third party apps.
40:40But this is essentially a way that you can pick up your phone and say,
40:42build me this, this and this.
40:43Yeah.
40:43And it will just give you a resizable widget, which is super cool.
40:46And I think it's also going to work with Wear OS, so you can do it on the watches too.
40:49Yeah.
40:50But they have told us now the hardware requirements for Gemini intelligence.
40:55And it's not great.
40:56It's pretty hard.
40:57I think they said you need, oh, I've written it down.
40:59You need like phones that aren't even released yet.
41:01You need 12 gigabytes of RAM and a phone that runs Gemini Nano V3 and a flagship chipset.
41:06So that doesn't include the Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 7, which came out less than a year ago.
41:11Woof.
41:11So at the moment, it's going to be like S26, the latest Pixels, some of the flagship Chinese phones.
41:18But really, that's like, that's it at the moment.
41:20It's really top level stuff.
41:21And with all these rumors we're hearing about, oh, manufacturers are going to lower the RAM counts in their future
41:25phones.
41:26Either that's not true or these features aren't going to come to people.
41:31But I think the form is true.
41:32Because also I thought there was a big thing about Google a few months ago was like,
41:36we've found a way to make our AI way more efficient and like run on less hardware and do all
41:41that stuff.
41:42And so you sort of wonder, OK, well, where's that for this?
41:44Or is that the lower?
41:45Is that the more efficient one?
41:46That's probably it.
41:4712, not 16.
41:48Yeah.
41:48One other thing about iPhones and Android.
41:51You will be able to use Gemini Spark, which we talked about earlier, on iPhones within the Gemini app.
41:55But all of this Gemini intelligence stuff, so the custom widgets and all of that sort of thing,
42:00you won't because that's kind of like an OS level integration.
42:03Right.
42:03But obviously we don't yet know the relationship between Google, Gemini and Apple.
42:08So with WWDC coming up, it's going to be interesting to see in iOS 27 what sort of role Gemini
42:14has to play,
42:15because we know it's going to kind of underpin the new series,
42:17but we're not really sure quite what that means just yet.
42:20So, yeah, I mean, WWDC is June 8th, I think you said, Hamish, at the beginning.
42:24So that is going to be the big talking point.
42:25I had a hot take about this during the Google I.O. keynote, which I'm now slightly less hot on,
42:32but that doesn't make a good podcast, so we'll just go hard on it anyway.
42:35They announced Flash 3.5 Flash, excuse me, Gemini 3.5 Flash,
42:41with this whole thing being that it is about four times faster than GPT 5.5.
42:46And they showed a load of benchmarks where in about 50% of benchmarks,
42:51it's more or less as good as GPT 5.5.
42:57And the benchmarks where it matches 5.5 were the really key stuff that you would want for integrating into
43:05a phone.
43:06So like academic research to give you information about a topic or interacting with a UI.
43:10And so my take is this is what has turned Apple from using ChatGPT as the basis for next-gen
43:19Siri
43:19to using Gemini as the basis for next-gen Siri.
43:22That the speed is probably, the speed versus the quality of results is probably the really big thing
43:29because like the Apple experience of AI needs to be super slick.
43:34It shouldn't be, Apple does not want it to be waiting around, watching dots spin while you wait for an
43:42answer.
43:42It wants it to be a really low latency back and forth experience with a certain level of quality.
43:49And I was like 3.5 Flash seems designed basically for this.
43:54Yes.
43:55And then once you added in Gemini Spark and some of the other things that they showed that it could
44:00do,
44:01I was like, oh, well, I wouldn't be surprised if this was it as well.
44:05The idea of being able to do what you're saying, create the widgets, ask these questions that like can make
44:13changes based on information that's at an OS level.
44:17Apple can give those keys to Gemini.
44:19Apple can take Gemini and build it into iOS in a way that it can do the same thing as
44:23it's going to do on Android.
44:25But for iOS, you know, Apple already has the shortcuts app and all these APIs that it controls that I'm
44:31sure Google will have just said,
44:33you just tell us what you want it to do and we'll make it happen.
44:36Yeah, actually, that was an exact story this week.
44:38There was a rumor that as part of iOS 27, you'll be able to say to Siri what type of
44:43shortcut you want and it will generate it for you.
44:45Because at the moment, it's kind of like this inaccessible system, which is super hard to know how it works.
44:51There's also Google said that MCP integration is coming soon.
44:53And MCP is basically a kind of open standard for agentic access and control from AI.
45:00And I would not be surprised at all if we saw MCP development tools being a key part of what
45:09Apple offers to developers in the next version of iOS.
45:14Just kind of saying like, hey, we're going to offer you a Siri that can do kind of anything within
45:20your app if you give it the right,
45:22if you open the right doors for it, and MCP is what we're going to give you to do that.
45:26Yeah, I do wonder how much of this they're going to say on stage at WWDC, how much they're going
45:30to acknowledge that it's underpinned by a different company.
45:33I think they might say Gemini once and that would be it, at least in relation to Siri.
45:37They might talk about Gemini being like an app or a service on the phone in a different capacity.
45:42But I think when it comes to the underpinning of Siri specifically, I think they might say it once or
45:48even not even say Gemini, just say Google AI and be very non-specific about it.
45:54And they did have a demo at I.O. last night as well, which was notably on an iPhone skin
46:00with a dynamic island.
46:01So there are references that they're each making to each other.
46:05I can't remember what demo that was.
46:07That was for Gemini Spark.
46:08And they did a macOS app demo where they were like a whole special thing just on macOS.
46:12Yeah, I did actually quite like that demo.
46:14And that was the point.
46:15That's why they used an iPhone and why they used a Mac, because they know that a huge portion of
46:18their target audience have those products.
46:19And they're like, look, you can use these things with the products that you have.
46:21People at Google are using them.
46:25I was just going to say very quickly that I don't think Apple wants to get burned again in the
46:31way it did by ChatGPT and OpenAI, where they, you know, when Apple Intelligence came out, they had a real
46:36moment with, you know, Sam Altman was there and made a very big deal about how the system is going
46:43to be working with ChatGPT.
46:45And it still does.
46:45You know, Apple Intelligence can hand off stuff to ChatGPT.
46:49But their relationship, rumors say their relationship is frayed.
46:54So I think that I think that you guys are right, that the mention of of Google or Gemini will
47:01be as tight, as clear and quick as possible.
47:05And they get to the fact that, you know, what you're dealing with here is a brand new Siri.
47:11So they don't get stuck in the weeds of foundational models and Gemini built this and we converted it and
47:18blah, blah, blah.
47:19They want it to be clear.
47:20They want it to be very Apple-y.
47:21If I was Apple, I don't know how long a deal they've signed with Google, but, you know, you might
47:27want to keep it a bit more fast and loose and, you know, be down the line in a few
47:31years' time if ChatGPT or Claude or some other AI that doesn't exist yet is the one that you want
47:38to have.
47:38Just swap it over.
47:40You know, if you've got a different AI back in your system, if it still is kind of fundamentally the
47:45same to the end user, they don't really care.
47:48Yeah, although my guess is Google has probably shown them several years' worth of roadmaps.
47:51That's true.
47:51There's probably a sort of investment.
47:53And Google could probably also say, and we'll say, you know, we're working on all this for our other phones
47:57so we can sort of test things there and bring it all here.
47:59And so there's quite a big advantage to the fact that Google makes phones or a phone OS as well.
48:04Yeah.
48:04So we are coming to the end of the episode now, but we've talked here a little bit about we're
48:08definitely going to see Siri at WWDC and we're probably going to hear about Gemini.
48:12Are you guys excited to hear about anything else in particular from the upcoming show?
48:15I would maybe say, I don't think we're going to see it, but some sort of tease as to how,
48:20so we're expecting a foldable iPhone in September, right?
48:22Is it going to be iOS?
48:24Yes, probably.
48:25But maybe kind of a merge between iPadOS, like a fold OSC.
48:28Like maybe we'll get some sort of tease as to how Apple's operating system will work on that bigger screen.
48:33I mean, you know, I do a lot of audio stuff.
48:35I'll be interested to see how well integrated the new AI and assistant stuff is with AirPods.
48:42AirPods. Obviously, there's going to be basic stuff like being able to talk to it and get answers in your
48:48ears or whatever.
48:48But like how custom and how specific will they be?
48:53Because, you know, that's what Apple likes to do with AirPods.
48:55It likes to give you something really special that you can only achieve through Apple's unique integration.
49:00So I'm sure we'll see something that makes it all extra special if you buy all of Apple's tech.
49:05I say the same thing every WWDC, which is that I am hoping, dreaming, praying, dreaming again of smart home,
49:13getting some love at some point.
49:16Forget it. Forget it.
49:16It's not happening, Josie.
49:16Every year it's rumoured like this is the one.
49:19We're going to do it.
49:20We're going to do more HomePod.
49:22Stop trying to make HomePod happen.
49:23It's never going to happen.
49:25I'm going to say that this is the year that I back them to do it.
49:29And that's in part informed by Google's Google Home movements.
49:32But then that wasn't mentioned at all in I.O.
49:35Despite the fact that, interestingly, a poll on TechRadar suggested that people were more interested in hearing about Google Home
49:41than anything else.
49:43So I think there's still a market there, guys.
49:46There's a market there.
49:48Hamish, you don't really like Apple, so.
49:51I mean, smart glasses.
49:54I'm not going to say smart glasses.
49:55Vision OS, though, could see something.
49:58Eyewear, maybe.
49:59I doubt it.
50:02I think when they've got eyewear, I mean, if they called it eyewear, that would be great.
50:07Actually, why didn't they do that?
50:08Matt didn't even realise he did the...
50:09No, I didn't either.
50:11It was a joke, guys.
50:11It was a joke.
50:12I don't know.
50:12I don't mind.
50:13They can announce whatever.
50:15Let's, okay.
50:16Pretend like you did care.
50:17Yeah, if you cared at all.
50:20What would you want?
50:22I want them to do some, like, fun Apple watch that's like a fitness band, like the Fitbit
50:30one, and, like, go really, like, low-key on it and stuff maybe works towards, like, an
50:34Apple ring or something.
50:35Because I think that there's clearly that interest in a more understated fitness tracker
50:41that Apple doesn't really offer right now.
50:42They've kind of gone the extreme way with things like the Ultra.
50:45I love that.
50:46And if they put in some of the safety stuff, like fall detection and things like that,
50:51I mean, if it was really cheap, I'd buy one for my elderly relatives.
50:55Like, wouldn't you?
50:56Yeah, 100%.
50:56And they love, they're really proud of all that stuff.
50:58Yeah, massively.
50:59And Lance, what are you excited to see at WWDC?
51:01Oh, gosh.
51:02What's left?
51:04Obviously, yeah.
51:05Maybe a glimpse of those AI glasses, those Apple glasses that we keep talking about.
51:11But I was thinking that, you know, how smart would it be if they gave the Apple watch a
51:17major intelligence upgrade so that it became the AI wearable that everybody's sort of reaching
51:23for?
51:24You know, they already, you know, it's like the most popular watch in the world.
51:28What if it was 10 times more intelligent?
51:30What if it, you know, could do more, you know, have some more local intelligence on it?
51:37So I think that might be interesting.
51:38You know, the reason I say that is ultimately what I'm looking for is a surprise.
51:44I think that, I think there's going to be this year a number of surprises.
51:49And I think that in particular, this last Tim Cook, WWDC, where he's CEO, I feel like they
51:56want to do something.
51:57There's got to be something special.
51:59And so I have my fingers crossed that I'm going to be truly wowed.
52:03I'd like to change my prediction.
52:06I think they're going to do a cheesy sketch of the changing series because they've done
52:11a couple of sketches in the past.
52:12They've not done ones because, you know, people didn't love some of them, but I think
52:16they were kind of fun.
52:17Federici in the F1 car.
52:18Yeah.
52:18Or actually, oh no, they have done them because they also did the one with Mother Nature.
52:21It stands.
52:23So I'd love to see some kind of skit.
52:25I mean, they could do like a Doctor Who style regeneration scene.
52:28Oh, and they could send up loads of fireworks going around the Cupertino Park.
52:33You are never going to get hired by Apple.
52:35They break down the old TARDIS and they build a new one.
52:38So they'll just break down the whole Apple Park and build a whole new thing on the site.
52:41Do you think that 90% of Apple fans have any idea what Doctor Who is?
52:45Doctor Who's very popular in the US.
52:47It is very popular in the US.
52:49I know what you're talking about and I think it's the best idea ever.
52:53What if Tim Cook gets on stage and he realises like he can't let go of that rush and he
52:57goes
52:58all Wolf of Wall Street and he's all like, I'm not going anywhere.
53:02I can kind of see that, except he's got such like a calm and neutral voice.
53:07Good morning.
53:07Good morning.
53:08I'm not going anywhere.
53:09He's like very chill with the whole thing.
53:11That is all we've got time for this week.
53:13The next time you see us, WWDC will have been and gone, so make sure to tune in to find
53:18out everything that happens at the show and our thoughts on it.
53:21Thanks so much for joining today, guys, and we'll see you next time.
53:25Bye.
53:26See ya.
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