00:06Day 4 of the impeachment trial of Vice President Sara Duterte.
00:10The two witnesses were killed by Vice President of the Vice President of the President,
00:16the President of the President, the President of the President,
00:18the First Lady Lisa Areneta Marcos, and the House Speaker, Martin Romualdez.
00:22One of the questions of the judge,
00:25is it true to be a assassin?
00:27The report is Ian Cruz.
00:30This will help me God.
00:34Sa salaysay ng ikalawang testigo ng prosekusyon,
00:37si Atty. Jeremy Lotok, na dating hepe ng NBI Cybercrime Division,
00:41binigyan din niya ang mga binitawang salita ni Vice President Sara Duterte
00:45na nangontrata na siya ng assassin.
00:49Para itumba ang Pangulo, ang First Lady at ang noy nakaupong speaker
00:53ay bantang seryoso at totoo.
00:56We considered several factors, Your Honor, in the analysis.
00:59Number one, the delivery or manner in which the utterances were spoken.
01:07That's one.
01:08Number two, the literal meaning of the statement, Your Honor.
01:15Number three, the nature of the instruction.
01:19And number four, the relationship between the parties.
01:23Furious and fuming mad.
01:25Nakita ho namin dun sa video nung niran ho namin, Your Honor.
01:28If I'm not mistaken, I think more or less walong beses ho siyang galit na galit at nagmumura
01:36at minumura yung Presidente, si First Lady, and then si former Speaker of the House.
01:43Para sa kanilang pamantayan, disturbing o nakakabahala ang mga naging pahayag ng vice.
01:49Pwede hong mag-take advantage yung ibang grupo dyan, ibang individual.
01:54God forbid may mangyari sa vice-presidente for one reason or the other.
01:59Mati-trigger ho ngayon yung instruction.
02:03And then, papatayin ngayon yung, God forbid again, ang Presidente, Lisa Marcos, ang former Speaker.
02:11And, in fact, even yung triggering na phase na yun, pwede mag-take advantage dun yung ibang grupo,
02:20thinking na pag-i-assassinate natin ang tatlo, ang sisisihin ang vice-presidente.
02:26So, marami hong angkulo yung honor para sa amin sa law enforcement.
02:31Pwede magiging disorder, magiging chaotic, magiging anarchy yung society.
02:36Ipinalabas din sa impeachment court ang ilan pang kuha sa nag-viral na November 23 online press conference ng vice.
02:46Ninyong lahat, Martin Romualdez, Lisa Marcos, Bongbong Marcos.
02:52Ani Lotok, dalawang beses nilang inimbitahan ang vice sa NBI para makuna ng pahayag.
02:59The Vice President, again, did not appear but instead sent her lawyer with another letter.
03:10Another letter?
03:11Yes, your honor. Submitted to the Office of the Cybercrime Division.
03:14Sinasabi dun, we must take the obvious.
03:17The NBI is under the administrative supervision ng Secretary of Justice, who is an alter ego of the President.
03:26And the Executive Secretary is the Chief Alter Ego.
03:30So, minarapat daw niya makinig sa kanyang counsel at hindi na mag-appear sa subpina ng NBI, your honor.
03:39Natanong din si Lotok kung may tuturing bang freedom of expression o malayang pagpapahayag lamang ang mabibigat na pananalita ng
03:48vice.
03:48We failed to see any amount of freedom of speech in that athelance, your honor. That's number one.
03:54Number two, we talk to ourselves.
04:01If we allow the argument that it is within the bounds of freedom of speech,
04:07if we allow that to become the norms of our society,
04:11then who would prevent anybody from doing the same to anyone?
04:16Matatandaang nagsampan ng reklamo ang NBI sa DOJ na nagsagawa naman ng preliminary investigation.
04:23Based on our findings, we believe that the Vice President committed the crime of grave threats and inciting persecution.
04:30Only in so far as satisfying the requirement of prima facie evidence sufficient to file a case.
04:37Prima facie evidence with reasonable certainty of conviction.
04:40Pero inusisa na mga Sen. Judge ang testigo, meron nga bang kinontratang asasin ng vice?
04:47Tinuloyin niyo ba yung investigasyon para matukoy ang taong ito?
04:51Unfortunately, wala ko kaming ma-establish na validated information na confirmed.
04:57At paano kung hindi natuntun ang aktwal na asasin?
05:00Kung hindi po ma-identify o malocate ang sinasabing asasin,
05:06does that automatically mean that the threat is no longer credible or actionable?
05:12The threat was absolute.
05:14Kailangan po ba ng patunay na may kinontratang asasin?
05:19Grave threats can be committed with or without condition.
05:22Si Sen. Judge Bamaquino, diniretsyo ang depensa.
05:26Tila hindi raw niya kasi nakikita sa mga nakalipas na panahon na itinanggiman lang ng vice na may kinausap siyang
05:33papatay sa Pangulo.
05:35Sagot ng depensa, wala.
05:38Magpapakita raw sila ng ebidensya.
05:39You're not denying that the Vice President spoke to a hitman?
05:42No, we are denying that, Your Honor.
05:44Natanong din ang testigo kung naimbisigahan ba ang umano'y banta naman sa buhay ng vice Presidente?
05:49Siyempre, pag nag-investigat sa Presidente, dapat iimbisigahan mo rin yung threat against the Vice President para patas.
05:55Separate po kami na sulat noong December 2.
05:59Ininform po namin siya na, ma'am, iniimbisigahan din po namin yung alleged threat against life mo.
06:06At para ho ma-expedite ito, bigyan niyo po kami ng any information na pwede maging lead doon sa investigation
06:15namin.
06:17And unfortunately, wala ho kaming nareceive na information.
06:21Hindi naman po kasi nag-appear ang Vice Presidente.
06:24Naasita naman si Lotok dahil sa mga typographical error at discrepancy sa ilang dokumento.
06:31Sa paragraph 51, was VP Duterte ever Secretary of Department of Justice?
06:46No, Your Honor, Department of Education.
06:49Nakalagay dito.
06:49That's typo, Your Honor.
06:51Maging saped sa ang nakasaad sa kanyang affidavit at subpinang ipinadala.
06:56Nandito to sa affidavit ninyo na sa page 8, number 14.
07:00Kung hinutusan kayo noong November 23, ang ibig ba sabihin, November 6 pa lang, minamanmanan na si Vice President?
07:10I believe that's a typo yung date.
07:12A typo na naman katulad ng Department of Justice.
07:15If it's a mistake, then what is the correct date of the subpena?
07:17The documents are present.
07:19They are in the possession at present of the witness, Your Honor, please.
07:23They may not have been physically attached to the affidavit investigation,
07:28but they do exist in the records of the case,
07:33a separate pre-marked document, Your Honor, please.
07:37Attorney Lutok, typo na yung affidavit mo?
07:39Typo pa yung sabpena?
07:41Hindi po.
07:42The sabpena or the affidavit?
07:44Dalawa yan eh.
07:45So the sabpena is dated November 6?
07:48Okay.
07:49And the affidavit also is November 6?
07:52Dalawang typo?
07:53Hindi ko pa nakita, ma'am, yung affidavit na November 6?
07:55Your affidavit says November 6.
07:57Let the document speak for itself.
07:58That would be the best evidence of if at all of the dates
08:00of either the sabpena and or the affidavit.
08:05Ian Cruz, GMA News.
08:09Mag-aala 6 ng gabi nang simula ng depensa
08:12ang cross-examination sa testigo ng prosekusyon.
08:16Unang hinimay ang ipinasang affidavit ng NBI sa DOJ
08:20na'y binalik kalaunan dahil nakukulangan daw ang hensya
08:23sa preliminary investigation nito
08:25para sa reklamong inciting to sedition at grave threats laban sa BICE.
08:30Pinunarin ng depensa ang ilan pang discrepancies
08:33sa investigation data form gaya ng received dates at docket numbers.
08:38Sinagot yan ni Atty. Jeremy Lotok ng NBI.
08:42I cannot confirm on the numbers because it's the DOJ who placed that number, sir.
08:48Uulitin ko, mas maganda ang tanongin nyo ang Department of Justice, sir.
08:54Maraming parausan ang itatanong ang depensa
08:56pero tumayo na si Sen. Judge Mig Zubiri
08:58para hilinging itunoy na lamang bukas ang cross-examination.
09:02Bago naman mag-adjourn ang sesyon,
09:04nag-issue na ng sabpina ang presiding officer
09:07para kay NBI Director Melvin Matibag.
09:10Ipinaharap siya sa Lunes, July 20.
09:12Bukas naman inasa ang sasalang si Atty. Zulayka Lopez,
09:16Chief of Staff ng Office of the Vice President.
09:20PONSE.
09:20B tombstat.
09:23Boa la spiriti.
09:23Bukas naman.
09:23Baskas naman inasa ang sasalang siya sa pinata en ang sasa.
09:24Co Bukas naman.
09:25Ipinaharap.
09:25Co Bukas ang ön mag regard.
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