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00:00.
00:30We are now going to be a place where we are going.
00:37We are going to be a place where we are going.
00:46So I was able to help the people of this country,
00:53I would like to thank you for your time,
00:55and for your time,
00:57and for your time,
00:59and for your time.
01:10I'm going to talk to you about this, and I'm going to talk to you about this, and I'm going
01:21to talk to you about this.
01:29Thank you very much.
01:54We have to leave our faces.
02:02We have to leave our faces at the time of time.
06:28So, when you come back there, you go to the church or you go to the church.
12:36These people who are used to be living in the wilderness,
12:38they are living in the wilderness and living in the wilderness.
12:48The people who are living in the wilderness are living in the wilderness.
23:36It doesn't matter how powerful you are,
23:40it doesn't matter how rich you are,
23:45it doesn't matter how willing you were to use it to wrong ends,
23:56we from a small country like Rwanda,
24:01we should be able to stand up to that.
24:12koreiji ebenji ebu tofuga asayma jambere muamuu
24:17we can do it, we can do it, we can do it...
24:21We can do it in our way.
24:25We don't want to eat, no balls, you can do it,
24:32it's all this way that we are.
24:39Let's do that.
24:40I don't know how many people are here.
24:45I don't know if you're a person.
24:46But I'm not sure how many people are here.
24:49I don't know if you're a person.
24:58I'm not sure how many people are here.
25:17There is a lot of people who are living in the world, and they are living in the world.
25:25They are living in the world.
25:29Janya na watura nyivu muli kongo
25:36Determinari mgea kajamu
25:38Ibijanya na watura nyivu mburu ndi
25:42Kuberako
25:46Bahisemoku wa
25:50Mbundi
25:51Ukona rimbizu mateka
25:54Awanyargu andana warundi
25:56Wavita kwa harimhanga
25:58Wundi nimhanga
26:00We are like
26:04We are supposed to be twins
26:05Literally
26:08Aliko
26:10Awarundi wabahisemu
26:11Kupukangu no
26:12Nagu tujishaka muyeweko
26:14Tubimhanga turashaka
26:15Kubimhanga nawanyi kongo
26:20Ok
26:21Naciwa zufitanyinabji
26:25Nibu muna fite
26:29Kuhitam mo
26:30Wafu kana nawe changu
26:31Wabahana nawe mhanga
26:33Ibi jenachyona
26:34Kurewa jahewe
26:35Nabi jamela
26:39And this is what we are saying.
26:46We are not going to be able to do this.
26:52We are not going to be able to do this.
27:02We are not going to be able to do this.
27:06Thing is to do this.
27:07I am not going to be able to do this.
27:10We are not going to be able to do this.
27:13We are not going to be able to do it.
27:16I have the same time.
27:17I will say, I had my husband to be here, and I will say, you will have his daughter,
27:24and you will have his daughter.
27:26We will have my daughter to be here.
27:29Yes.
27:33We will have the same people.
27:40In the same time, we will have the same people.
27:46The first thing I would like to do is that I was wrong.
27:53When I was young, I had to learn how to do it and how to do it and how to
27:58do it and how to do it.
28:01��yam, ennambara yomurikōngu muré.
28:08Aakwayatangiy gur关an, taakwayatulutsu murgwangjaro.
28:17Gose. Mubiandike, mubisuzume, kuri kura nne, awa wishi dika nne hoa, muragweni kuri kwavu.
28:24Innambara yatulutsu handi, akwayatulutsu murgwangju.
28:32I can't be honest, I can't be honest with you.
28:43I can't be honest.
28:49It's not the only thing that we have to do.
28:55Now, this is the only thing that we have to do.
29:05The only thing that we have to do is we have to do this.
29:16It was a genocide.
29:23It was a genocide.
29:33We will come to this village, we will come to the village.
29:38We will come to the village, we will come to the village.
29:43It is a miracle.
29:53It is a miracle.
30:01Shizze Abu Mugahi Tanyekubari wa wajibu jira.
30:17Ibnjurewa nabjo wikonjara.
30:21Ibnjurewa nabugaga bituruka hanzo.
30:25Ibnjurewa nabjo linku.
30:31Ibnjurewa nabjo wukahi.
30:38Ibnjurewa nabjo wikonja.
30:46Ibnjurewa nabjo wukahi wukahi.
30:50Why did people go to the comfort of them?
30:57The one who did not know how to her.
31:01She said that very few of them would have an ability to have salvation,
31:11and they were not able to save up that and let them go.
31:18The message that all people were saying is not the meaning of the feeling.
31:20If you can't wait on you, let us know when you are new.
31:27It looks like you have to be a business owner.
31:33We have to stay here.
31:33If you have a business owner, you have to be a business owner.
31:36So that's what we're going to do.
31:45We're going to talk about this.
31:53We're going to talk about this.
31:55We're going to talk about this.
32:08We're going to talk about this.
32:12We're going to talk about this.
32:24We're going to talk about this.
32:25International community.
32:29whether UN or international community, they more or less add up to nothing.
32:35Because the UN is everybody, but at the same time, it is nobody.
32:44The international community is all of us, but actually it is none of us
32:51when it comes to some of these problems.
32:57So, you don't know who to hold responsible.
33:04Who is supposed to be held responsible?
33:08In the end, the convenient path is to find a culprit,
33:23to find somebody who is responsible, and that becomes Rwanda.
33:27When you talk about Rwanda, you know what you are talking about.
33:31It is this small country of ours.
33:34You, me, and others.
33:37But when you say international community, you really, who are you talking about?
33:48Now, that force was put there.
33:52I just use a simple explanation, try and cut the long story short.
34:10Many times, I meet ambassadors of countries accredited here,
34:20either based here or based outside.
34:22or I meet government ministers of different countries.
34:30When you are talking about this program of Congo,
34:38one of the many questions they ask is always,
34:45how many in their home are there in Congo?
34:52How many, if there are there?
34:54It's, in other words, what they are trying to say is,
34:57you have turned it into such a big problem.
35:03When, actually, they say, some of them are old.
35:08They are 90 years old, they are 90 years old.
35:13Say, but, if you are saying they are 90 years old,
35:16it means they are there.
35:23But, to become 90 years old,
35:28if you have children
35:32that you train and put in their heads this kind of ideology,
35:40and they end up being militias or fighters within FDRR,
35:49I mean, how does being 90 years old become irrelevant?
35:56How?
35:57So, they ask me, how many?
36:01The easiest answer for me, sometimes, is,
36:05why don't you ask the UN forces you put there?
36:14You sent these forces to go and deal with this problem, among others.
36:20So, they should really be telling you how many or what they are doing.
36:27Second, I answer them,
36:33on issue of hate speech,
36:38how do you count the numbers?
36:43If, if the president of the country that is Congo,
36:49or his assistants or heads of
36:57different institutions publicly talk about
37:05genocide, talk about
37:07attacking Rwanda,
37:10talk about
37:10all kinds of things
37:13as it relates to
37:18genocide ideology,
37:20how do you count that in numbers?
37:27So, you tell me, how many, how many, how many give such a speech?
37:35Well, I also tell you,
37:39even if you think there are few who give such a speech,
37:44there are millions who are listening,
37:49and among them,
37:52they are recruited into that,
37:54and they become part of the threat that Rwanda faces.
38:01Others come and say,
38:03yeah, but Rwanda, I think you are strong enough.
38:10I have not understood the meaning.
38:12I say, you are strong enough to do what?
38:15To sit back
38:18and be run over?
38:21I say, is that what you do in your own countries?
38:28I wish I was actually strong enough.
38:31I am not.
38:36I wish I was strong at all.
38:42Then I would do.
38:45You know, take such threats,
38:52as simple as something I can deal with,
38:54as when,
38:56as and when I need to do that.
39:01But I am not,
39:02because I am not, in the end,
39:05because I even depend on you.
39:08One day, you decide,
39:11you know,
39:12these people,
39:13international community,
39:14they have,
39:17I think they took things,
39:20literally.
39:22You know,
39:22they are helpful.
39:23I've said they are helpful.
39:25They have been supportive.
39:28But they even are supportive
39:31in creating problems for us.
39:37They are helpful in one sense
39:39of solving the problems
39:40and helpful in another sense
39:43of creating problems for us.
39:48The amount of threats
39:50we come under on a daily basis,
39:52we will do this if you don't do this,
39:54we will do that if you don't do that.
39:55You know,
39:58sometimes you feel choked
40:02by
40:06this kind of,
40:10but
40:13instead of being choked
40:15by all of that,
40:17I will be choked
40:18by just being defiant
40:21and telling you
40:22to go to hell.
40:29You can't create problems
40:31for me,
40:32at the same time,
40:33come and blame me
40:34for these problems
40:36and then start threatening me.
40:38How?
40:47How?
40:52It's a daily thing.
40:54It's a regular thing.
40:56It becomes a conversation
40:58instead of addressing the problem
41:02the way it should be.
41:04You know,
41:05these Congolese are very lucky.
41:08This
41:09this is a man
41:09who
41:11stands there
41:12and abuses people
41:13and threatens
41:14and does that
41:15and
41:16then,
41:17in the end,
41:18this same
41:19international community
41:20comes to me
41:21and says,
41:22yeah,
41:22yeah,
41:23yeah,
41:23you see,
41:23you know,
41:24you need to do this.
41:25You need...
41:25You know what?
41:28And I tell them,
41:30don't you realize
41:30that by doing that
41:32you are actually
41:33emboldening this person
41:34not to find
41:35a solution
41:37to their problems
41:38or whatever problems
41:40that are between
41:41us and them.
41:45You treat a country
41:47or a president
41:48or a government
41:49like a spoiled child?
41:55You look back
41:57and ask,
41:59you know,
42:00check.
42:02There is no blame
42:04that ever goes
42:05to the very
42:08people
42:09who created
42:10this problem
42:11and who continue
42:13in the same problem.
42:17But when it comes
42:18to Rwanda,
42:20it's our problems
42:21we are blamed for
42:23and it's their problems
42:25we are blamed for.
42:27So we are blamed
42:28for two kinds
42:29of problems.
42:30Our own,
42:31we may have
42:31our own problems
42:32that for sure
42:34we will own up
42:34and deal with that.
42:37But how do we deal
42:40with the blame
42:42for other people's
42:43problem
42:44they should be
42:45owning up to
42:46and dealing with?
42:50How do we deal
42:51with that?
42:55Just by threats?
42:56Come threaten
42:57the people
42:58I will do this
42:58well some of them
43:00did whatever
43:00they did
43:02but
43:05I
43:06hesitate
43:07to tell them
43:09I say
43:10okay you did that
43:11so what did
43:12you get out
43:12of it?
43:15Whatever you did
43:16what did you get
43:18the situation
43:19just got worse
43:22and for me
43:23from the beginning
43:24it was obvious
43:25it was going to get worse
43:26because you are not
43:28addressing the root
43:29cause of the problem
43:30instead you are
43:34just massaging
43:35the people
43:37who are actually
43:38behind
43:40these problems.
43:46so how does
43:47the world
43:47expect us
43:52to behave
43:53just listen
43:54to them
43:54and do
43:55whatever
43:55they ask us
43:56to do
43:56even if
43:56it is
43:58leading
43:58to our own
44:01destruction
44:06let me tell you
44:07it is really
44:08not
44:10for our
44:12existence
44:13for our
44:14well-being
44:16for
44:21if
44:22somebody
44:24intends
44:25to create
44:27these problems
44:28for us
44:33we don't expect
44:38us
44:39we don't expect
44:41to be asked
44:46to ask
44:47for favors
44:49from the ones
44:51who are causing
44:52these problems
44:52to us
44:54we are not going
44:56to ask
44:56for a favor
44:59well
45:00maybe
45:01someday
45:04when there are
45:09people who
45:11are like
45:12we have been
45:13decades
45:14and hundreds
45:15of years ago
45:16maybe
45:18those people
45:19who knows
45:21we can always
45:23through such
45:24manipulations
45:25and so on
45:26have people
45:27emerge
45:27who
45:29think that
45:30is the way
45:30we should live
45:34maybe
45:34I don't know
45:35but
45:37in some of us
45:38is lifetime
45:42in our lifetime
45:43some of us
45:44will
45:48try and
45:49stand up
45:49to that
45:57so this
45:58problem
46:00by the way
46:01if we were
46:02there
46:05in Congo
46:06for minerals
46:10would be
46:11a hundred times
46:12richer
46:12than we are now
46:19but I think
46:22also why
46:24we
46:27and you know
46:28so recently
46:30people
46:30sort of
46:32celebrating
46:33say
46:33you see
46:34we have
46:35already said
46:36Rwanda is in
46:37Congo
46:37and they have
46:38been denying
46:38now they have
46:41no that is
46:43nonsense
46:45I think
46:46people who
46:47are being
46:47told
46:48are not
46:48listening
46:52and what
46:53they have
46:53been told
46:54for years
46:54they have
46:55not been
46:55listening
46:55because
46:57I've been
46:58asked
46:59thousands
47:00of times
47:03is Rwanda
47:04in Congo
47:05there is
47:07something
47:08that says
47:09everything
47:10you need
47:10to know
47:12about
47:13defensive
47:14measures
47:14we took
47:15to deal
47:16with that
47:17threat
47:17coming from
47:18Eastern
47:18Congo
47:18or from
47:20Congo
47:23now
47:25my answer
47:26simple answer
47:27which says
47:28everything
47:28has always
47:30been
47:31if you
47:33ask me
47:34whether
47:34we are
47:35in Congo
47:39do you
47:40first
47:42ask
47:43yourself
47:46why
47:47would
47:47Rwanda
47:48be in
47:48Congo
47:52then
47:52you would
47:53get the
47:53answer
47:53without
47:54asking
47:54me
47:57if
47:57you
47:57ask
47:58yourself
47:58that
47:58this
47:59one
47:59which
47:59is
47:59accused
48:00of
48:00being
48:00in
48:01Congo
48:04why
48:05this
48:06accusation
48:06first of
48:07all
48:07it is not
48:07about
48:08minerals
48:08that
48:09one
48:09is
48:09a
48:09site
48:10for
48:11sure
48:13it's
48:13not
48:14for
48:14any
48:14other
48:14thing
48:15for
48:15sure
48:17except
48:17we have
48:19told
48:19you
48:19for
48:20the
48:20last
48:2030
48:21years
48:22about
48:23the
48:23threats
48:23coming
48:24coming
48:24from
48:24Congo
48:29to do
48:29with
48:30our
48:30security
48:31and
48:32those
48:32threats
48:32have
48:33materialized
48:33several
48:34times
48:34you
48:35just
48:36don't
48:36want
48:36to see
48:36it
48:36you
48:37don't
48:37want
48:37to hear
48:37it
48:43so
48:44but
48:45what
48:45are
48:45they
48:45looking
48:45for
48:46when
48:46they
48:46are
48:46you
48:47in
48:47Congo
48:47either
48:48you
48:49say
48:49no
48:54and
48:54the
48:55question
48:56of
48:56defensive
48:57measures
48:57we
48:58took
49:01are
49:02also
49:02seen
49:03as
49:03if
49:03they
49:03are
49:03not
49:04there
49:07and
49:07if
49:07you
49:08say
49:08yes
49:11that
49:11becomes
49:12the
49:12only
49:12problem
49:13in
49:13the
49:14world
49:14to
49:14deal
49:14with
49:18even
49:19the
49:19leaders
49:19who
49:20are
49:20here
49:21see
49:21the
49:21minister
49:21of
49:21justice
49:23if
49:24you
49:24say
49:24yes
49:26every
49:26other
49:27problem
49:28will
49:29disappear
49:29they
49:30just
49:30take
49:31you
49:31on
49:31saying
49:32yes
49:33you
49:34are
49:34there
49:34so
49:35every
49:35problem
49:35in
49:36fact
49:36you
49:36have
49:36made
49:37it
49:37easy
49:38for
49:38them
49:40to
49:42put
49:43to
49:44load
49:44the
49:44problems
49:45of
49:45Congo
49:45on
49:46your
49:46shoulders
49:46now
49:48that's
49:49it
49:51so
49:52you
49:52saw
49:52one
49:52time
49:53a
49:54journalist
49:54asked
49:54me
49:55say
49:55I
49:55in
49:55with
49:56CNN
49:56it
49:57was
49:57I
49:57myself
49:57seen
49:58it
49:58and
49:59when
49:59I
49:59said
49:59I
49:59don't
50:00know
50:04simply
50:05that
50:06that
50:06is
50:08technically
50:09not
50:09an
50:09answer
50:10I
50:10should
50:10have
50:10given
50:14but
50:14also
50:14technically
50:15it is
50:16an
50:16answer
50:16that
50:19would
50:19not
50:19take
50:20me
50:20to
50:20court
50:28how do you
50:30prosecute
50:31an ignorant
50:31man
50:34who
50:35doesn't
50:35know
50:35what you're
50:36even
50:36talking
50:37about
50:37it
50:38becomes
50:39difficult
50:39so
50:41but
50:43this
50:43whole
50:44back
50:44and
50:44forth
50:45thing
50:45has
50:46trivialized
50:47the
50:49real
50:49issue
50:49the
50:51real
50:51problem
50:51has
50:52been
50:52trivialized
50:56but
50:57there
50:57are
50:57big
50:57issues
50:58to
50:58deal
50:58with
51:00Congo
51:00must
51:02own up
51:04they
51:05have
51:05responsibilities
51:07and
51:08must
51:09not
51:09transfer
51:10their
51:11responsibilities
51:12through
51:13Wanda
51:13they
51:14are
51:14not
51:14responsible
51:14for
51:15Congo
51:15the
51:16history
51:16and
51:17whatever
51:18it
51:19is
51:19that
51:19one
51:20people
51:20can
51:21make
51:22their
51:22own
51:22judgment
51:23but
51:23we
51:24cannot
51:24carry
51:25our
51:25own
51:25problems
51:26and
51:26carry
51:26Congo's
51:27problems
51:27no
51:33and
51:34for
51:35protecting
51:36our
51:37people
51:38that
51:39one
51:40we
51:40shall
51:41there's
51:42no
51:42question
51:43but
51:51there's
51:52more
51:52in fairness
51:53to this
51:54world
51:59anyway
52:00let me
52:00reserve
52:01some
52:01other
52:01comments
52:02for
52:02another
52:02time
52:05and
52:07give
52:08space
52:09for
52:12other
52:12things
52:17but
52:19I
52:19thought
52:20I
52:20needed
52:20to
52:20give
52:20you
52:21a
52:21bit
52:21of
52:21what
52:22is
52:26on
52:27people's
52:27minds
52:28and
52:28but
52:29this
52:29is
52:30also
52:30not
52:30what
52:31we
52:31are
52:32talking
52:32about
52:33I
52:33don't
52:33think
52:33this
52:34is
52:34a
52:34problem
52:34that
52:35cannot
52:36find
52:37an
52:38answer
52:39that
52:39cannot
52:39find
52:39a
52:40resolution
52:40I
52:41don't
52:41think
52:41so
52:43there
52:43is
52:44a
52:44way
52:44to
52:44resolve
52:44this
52:45matter
52:45but
52:46people
52:47just
52:47don't
52:47want
52:48to
52:48resolve
52:49it
52:50maybe
52:50it
52:51also
52:51becomes
52:52an
52:52industry
52:53for
52:53some
52:53people
52:54to
52:54keep
52:54having
52:55a
52:56war
52:56going
52:56on
52:57and
52:57there
52:58are
52:58lots
52:58of
52:59benefits
52:59to
52:59some
53:00people
53:00but
53:02otherwise
53:02if
53:02you
53:03address
53:03the
53:03root
53:04causes
53:06and
53:07they
53:07are
53:07known
53:09and
53:10simply
53:10put
53:11responsibility
53:12where
53:13it
53:13belongs
53:16and
53:17accountability
53:21I
53:22think
53:22this
53:23problem
53:23can
53:24be
53:24resolved
53:24the
53:25Congo
53:25problem
53:30must
53:30be
53:31looked
53:31at
53:31holistically
53:32how
53:32it
53:33is
53:33the
53:33whole
53:33of
53:33Congo
53:34it
53:34is
53:34the
53:34region
53:35it
53:35is
53:36Rwanda
53:37Congo
53:38it
53:39is
53:42all
53:43right
53:43so
53:45thank
53:45you
53:46very
53:46much
53:46and
53:47I
53:48hope
53:48we
53:48have
53:49started
53:49the
53:50year
53:52everyone
53:53on a
53:54good
53:54note
53:57after
53:57a
53:58long
53:59break
53:59and
54:00so on
54:01now
54:02we are
54:02back to
54:03business
54:03so we
54:04should
54:04do
54:04just
54:05that
54:06thank you
54:06very much
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