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00:00I went. I got married. I had a whole life when I was with him. I lived in Kentucky because
00:04I met him in college before I moved out to L.A.
00:06Okay.
00:07So we ended up getting a house, having a dog.
00:09Wow. Oh my God. You did like the whole thing.
00:23Oh my God. Bring it in, babe. Hi.
00:26Hello.
00:27Oh my gosh. I am obsessed with you.
00:30Stop. I'm obsessed with you. You're an icon in this space.
00:33I literally have known your face since I started this.
00:36Oh my God.
00:36I'm honored to finally come here and see you.
00:39Chat with you. You're amazing.
00:40Oh my God. I love you. Literally every time I see your face pop up in a real short, you
00:45are the most angelic, beautiful actress.
00:49I am so blown away by your performances. Your eyes suck me in. I am a fangirl over here.
00:56You're so sweet. Thank you. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. It's been definitely very fun. I'm thankful for all
01:02the opportunities that I've had in it so far.
01:04You've had some really cool roles here.
01:07Yeah. Yeah. Lots of fun, strong female characters.
01:10Which is really nice and a nice movement for the space.
01:13Yeah, exactly.
01:14I feel like when I first started, it was really, that wasn't ever a thing ever.
01:17It's always like the little weak ingenue who needs that saving.
01:20Who needs help or beating her down.
01:22And even when I first started them, I still got roles like that.
01:25And so over the last year, the transition into like stronger females has been nice.
01:30That is so nice. Would you say that you prefer acting in those roles as well?
01:33I always, when I'm like picking scripts, I want something that, like a character that I feel I can relate
01:38to.
01:38And I am a strong, like woman. I try not to put up with things. I try and hold my
01:42boundaries, my place. It's important to do that.
01:45Yeah, it is.
01:46Especially in this industry because they will suck you up.
01:49Yeah, for sure.
01:50So I want to portray and put roles out there that show others that they can be strong women too.
01:55They don't always need a man.
01:56They can be tall and strong and not like these little petite, like, you know, weaklings.
02:00Weaklings. And I want to, yeah, put that out there.
02:03All different walks of life of a female lead.
02:06Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
02:07Absolutely. I love that.
02:09And Daughter of Beauty, you were so amazing.
02:12Was that one fun to shoot?
02:13That was probably my favorite thing that I've ever done, like in the vertical space.
02:17That was my most favorite project.
02:19That one was insane because it was when like the torrential downpours were happening back in like, I think, November.
02:24Yes.
02:24And so we were shooting on location.
02:26Outside, every day.
02:27Every day, yeah.
02:28Yeah. And it was, it was crazy because it was muddy everywhere.
02:31We were up in Santa Clarita.
02:33Everything looks gorgeous.
02:34Yeah. The cinematography of it.
02:36Dan, Orod, they're cam ops and they are, they're awesome.
02:39Their whole team, like Bryce, Porter.
02:41Oh, yeah, it was a Bryce.
02:42You know what I mean?
02:43Bryce is amazing.
02:44I love you guys so much.
02:45Love you, Bryce. Miss you.
02:46You guys, literally, they're so amazing.
02:49Oh, that's so good.
02:50Yeah, that's great.
02:52Definitely one of my favorites I've ever done.
02:53Yeah, definitely.
02:55She was so strong too.
02:56Oh, yeah.
02:57Even in her weak moments, she was strong and she stood up for herself and she never let anybody kind
03:01of walk all over her.
03:02And there were a lot of moments in that where she displayed that.
03:05And I was, I was so happy to see, you know, her standing up for herself and not waiting for
03:09a man to save her.
03:11Yeah.
03:11We don't need that anymore.
03:13And this economy, girl.
03:14Exactly.
03:15We don't.
03:15And then, like, even thinking about it, I guess she never needed a man to save her.
03:20She saves the man.
03:21Yeah.
03:22So I like that even more.
03:23She saves too.
03:24I love that.
03:25It's very nice.
03:26Yeah.
03:26Okay, so you've done so many amazing shows.
03:28I want to play a cute, fun little game with you.
03:31Okay.
03:31Which is our emoji guessing game.
03:34Okay.
03:34So we'll have emojis and then you can try to guess the title of your show through the emojis.
03:39Okay, I love this.
03:40Okay.
03:42That's kind of hard.
03:43I know.
03:44I'm like, what are these?
03:46We're going to do rapid fire.
03:48I think I already know all of these.
03:49Oh my gosh.
03:50I think it's number one.
03:51I think it's true heiress.
03:53Saves high school.
03:53We have the crown.
03:54We have the, what I think is a high school.
03:56And I don't know what the life float thing is in there, but I think it's about saving.
04:01So, and then two, I, that has to be fix you, you know, hammer, broken heart, fix you.
04:07I don't know what three is.
04:08That one's royalty.
04:09Yeah, that one's kind of, I know the answer and it does make sense.
04:14Don't get married.
04:15The queen turns.
04:17Can I skip it and go back?
04:19Yeah.
04:19Yeah.
04:19Yeah.
04:20You can go back.
04:20Because I know these other ones for sure.
04:22Maybe it'll help you.
04:23Yeah.
04:24Love is a dangerous dance for sure.
04:25And then daughter of Zeus, baby lightning bolt.
04:29We love it.
04:29And then six, I'm assuming is my dark Romeo.
04:33Oh, a little bit darker.
04:37I dug Romeo, but I can't for the life.
04:39You have three guys.
04:41Anyone in the comments, do you guys know number three?
04:43Drop us a comment and let us know which one you think it is.
04:45I can't figure it out.
04:46This is going to bother me.
04:48Okay.
04:48I'll give you a hint.
04:50Okay.
04:50Give me a hint.
04:51Wedding.
04:53Oh, cancel the wedding, the queen returns.
04:57Cancel the wedding, the bride returns.
05:01Queen moves on.
05:02Okay.
05:03She got it.
05:04She got it.
05:05She got it.
05:06Wait, wait, wait.
05:07She got it.
05:07Cancel the wedding, the bride, queen moves on.
05:09Yes, exactly.
05:10Do you know why I'm, because before it was a different title for the entire time.
05:15Honestly.
05:16And then they put it out and it's different.
05:17Oh my gosh.
05:18So that's why.
05:19Okay.
05:19That makes sense.
05:22So I want to get into the fun, juicy part of this podcast, which is so important.
05:28And we don't really talk about it much, which is mental health.
05:31Oh my gosh.
05:32Yeah.
05:32I know, you know, you being a successful actress in this space and just being, you've
05:36been in this, in a, in entertainment for so long, you've gone through just the life
05:41of an entertainer.
05:43Yeah.
05:43Very true.
05:44It's the, the grind of trying to do this thing while trying to be a human, while also
05:50taking care of your body, having relationships and just existing as a woman is exhausting.
05:57Very much so.
05:57Yes.
05:58And just showing up for so many people or whatever you're going through.
06:01And I mean, the amount of like different journeys and ways to get through it.
06:07I have so many different things I've tried, things that work, things that don't, but I
06:11want to just chat with you a little bit about that.
06:13Like what are some things that you go through that you want to share with some of the fans
06:17to illuminate this and how do you get through it?
06:20Yeah.
06:20Well, I will say there, this industry is very hard because of how closely our personal
06:26lives are with like our professional lives.
06:28I feel like a lot of other jobs, it's like you clock in, you do like your dress desk job.
06:32It has nothing to do with like you per se.
06:35And then you leave and like, you can go do your own personal stuff.
06:37But I feel like with the eyes that are on us from this, like the type of work that we
06:42do, access that we have to people, like it's not, or that people have to us.
06:46It's not easy at all and it's stressful.
06:48And like you said, we have to worry about not only like showing up for ourselves in our
06:52work aspect, but also our personal lives.
06:54And I feel like sometimes you can get so caught up in the work and in these characters in
06:58these worlds that you forget to take care of like yourself and your personal life.
07:02But there's, yeah, there's a lot to unpack, like to deal with like mental wise when you're
07:08on these spaces.
07:09I guess like something that I really have tried to focus on, especially in the last
07:14year is to set boundaries with other people.
07:17Like that is a very important thing because we are in an industry where it's like, if you
07:20don't set boundaries, people usually take advantage of that in any capacity of the sense.
07:26But it's a very important thing to kind of know what your morals are, what you will not
07:31want to do, what you do want to do.
07:33And like have that because people will try and like, you know, just sway you one way or the
07:38other. And if you don't have that strong, like moral compass of like what you are okay
07:42with, what you're not okay with, what you need, what you don't want to do, then you
07:46start to like lose yourself.
07:47Yeah.
07:48And I know that, I mean, the last year I've been very thankful with being able to, you
07:53know, just stick with what I morally am comfortable with.
07:55But it's not easy sometimes, especially if you're just starting out and you're like, well,
07:58this is like the only role that I've been offered.
08:00And I don't like, I'm very conflicted between it.
08:03And it's like, in the end, our faces are going to be online forever, forever and ever.
08:09Yes, they are.
08:10And I think it's important to, yes, maybe this could be a great project.
08:13But I'm always like, if you say no, there will be a hundred more yeses in the future.
08:18Like you don't know when they're coming, but they will be there, you know.
08:20And if you work hard enough at it, you will get something else.
08:23And it's like, don't give up like what you're comfortable with in exchange for something that's
08:27like very quick going to happen, you know.
08:29And it's like, at the end of the day, when you go home and you're laying in bed, are you
08:33awake at night?
08:34Like, oh my God, I can't believe I did that.
08:36I did that, right.
08:36And now it's going to be everywhere and people are going to see it.
08:39And it's like, you don't want to be in that position.
08:41And so it's, it's not easy, but it's important to have like those boundaries and set those
08:46things for yourself.
08:47Oh my gosh.
08:47I so hear you.
08:49Even with kind of backtracking with what you're saying, you know, like starting out as an actor
08:53or being new in a job, whatever it is, whether it's entertainment or whatever field someone
08:57works in, you want to people please and, you know, do a good job.
09:01That's just human nature.
09:02But it's, even if you're experienced, it's almost like you don't want to then get fired
09:11or you don't want to disappoint.
09:14And then, so it kind of like, doesn't really ever get easier in a way because like the more
09:18successful you get, the more like pressure also to do as well as you did on the last one
09:23or like the next cooler thing, the crazier thing, out beat yourself every time.
09:29And that pressure is so heavy.
09:31It is very heavy.
09:32And even also kind of going back with what you're saying about being in the entertainment
09:35industry.
09:36I also feel like nowadays with our generation, it's a little bit of, you have to do so many
09:42different things, not just be an actress.
09:43Like you are an actor, but you also are a brand.
09:45You also have your social media.
09:47That's another thing too, with like mental health.
09:49And like, I, like I've had to struggle with this in the past with like wanting to post
09:55certain things because I know it'll get more likes and like more people will see it or more
09:59like seductive things.
10:01Cause I'm like, oh, well people only like seeing that of me.
10:03Of my body.
10:04Yeah.
10:04And it's a hard thing.
10:05Like so many people go through this and like being perceived when they post and that's,
10:10I still am like that too.
10:11Every day.
10:12Yeah.
10:12Every day.
10:13I'm going to post this and people are going to perceive me and like, I have no control over
10:17how they've received me, what they're like thinking about me.
10:20And it's like a scary thing.
10:21Like I've been able to thankfully be like, all right, post what you want to post.
10:25Don't feel pressured.
10:26Like, don't feel like you need to, don't feel like I, I, I need to gain followers.
10:30I need to do this.
10:30Cause there was a time when I was younger where I was like this, I need to like be famous.
10:35I need to have followers.
10:36And now I'm like, the more pressure you put on yourself, like the more miserable, like
10:39you are when you, you post and it's like not what you like want.
10:44You know what I mean?
10:45And it's like, I'm very for post what you want now.
10:48Like people, your tribal comes, you, the people that enjoy you and want to follow you, they
10:53will come to you.
10:54And those people that are just there simply for like your looks for your, your skin that
10:58they want to see, like those people will leave and it'll be a better engagement and a better
11:02audience anyway, in the end.
11:04But yeah, it's very hard with social media nowadays and how accessible you are.
11:10I mean, yeah, it's exhausting.
11:12And you feel like, I mean, I know I go through this a lot of times if so, sometimes I
11:17don't
11:17have the bandwidth to respond to everything because I'm casting and then I'm acting and
11:22then I'm posting for my own joy.
11:24And I feel so much guilt if I'm not responding to every fan and I'm like, and then I'm like,
11:31shoot, I have a platform and fans and I should be grateful.
11:34And I am, but sometimes I'm like, I haven't like been with myself today at all.
11:40Exactly.
11:40And weeks go by and I'm like, yeah, I'm, I'm newer to having like a fan base.
11:48I would say like, I never really had that in the past or anything or people that are
11:51like looking forward to it or like a fan page here and they're like, it's very new to me.
11:55And I appreciate the support and the love always.
11:58And I appreciate you guys so much for all you, everything that you guys do.
12:01Like we wouldn't be in these positions without the support and the love, but I did have trouble
12:06at the beginning, like setting those boundaries of like responding to certain people, responding
12:11to every single person or like not responding.
12:14And then them reaching out and being like, do you hate me?
12:16Like, why do you hate me so much?
12:17And then me feeling guilty for not responding, but it's just like, you have to have these healthy
12:22boundaries in place and some people will try and cross them.
12:24And it's like, you can't feel bad for having that boundary with, you know?
12:28And at first I was like, oh my God, am I a bad person for not answering that back or
12:32not liking every single thing that they're posting about me?
12:35But it's like, we do have a lot, you know, it's this public persona, but there's also
12:39our own individual people in here that we have to worry about too.
12:43And, um, yeah, so it's a really hard line that I'm still trying to kind of figure out
12:48and like, yeah.
12:49So, okay.
12:50So you've talked about boundaries a lot so far.
12:53So to walk me through what a boundary looks like for you, if you're comfortable saying
12:58that and just how you actually like follow through.
13:03Cause I feel like, you know, we all want boundaries, but you know, you get intimidated
13:06or you feel bad or like, you know, that instilled guilt that you carry, like, how do you navigate
13:12your boundary and stay true to it and just carry on?
13:14Well, so I will say, I mean, I've been in this industry since I was about like eight.
13:20So I did more of the modeling side of things like commercial work and stuff, never theatrical
13:25acting up until like last year when I did my first first was kind of the first acting
13:30thing I did.
13:31And so I, at least for me, I had a great, you know, my mom was like my momager.
13:36She is a great, I love you mom so much.
13:39We love supportive, you know, family.
13:41And so she always was there from like when I was young until like I turned, you know,
13:4617, was able to kind of go do this stuff on my own.
13:48And she was always there to make sure, you know, things were in line.
13:51And I, so I grew up with like a person who always had like healthy boundaries set for
13:55me when I wasn't able to.
13:56And so watching her has helped me also because I mean, when I first started these, there were
14:02one or two here and there where I was like, I would do something, I would leave.
14:06And then I'd be like, oh, I feel like yucky.
14:08I don't feel like good about myself or just like the scene makes me feel sad.
14:13I'm thankful that we were just, you know, recreating something in the book and bringing
14:18it to life to help show because in the end, Fix You is a great story about like people
14:23who are hurt, not even just internally, but physically.
14:26And like they come together and they like help themselves and they become stronger together.
14:30And so I appreciate that.
14:31And I like to bring stuff to life where it has like, you know, something like the context
14:35makes sense.
14:36That's a big thing for me.
14:37Context.
14:38But anyway, setting boundaries with that stuff.
14:40Sorry, going back to that.
14:42I've learned like I need to set healthy boundaries with myself and with others, because if you
14:47don't, they will walk all over you.
14:49And that's like, I felt that when we're doing these scenes, we're in that kind of emotional
14:52state.
14:53And at some point, your brain just doesn't know what's real and what's not real.
14:57Like you're physically doing these things and it's hard.
15:00Everybody's boundaries are different.
15:02The extent of those boundaries are different for each project of mine.
15:05Like if they want something like an IC scene in one context versus another context, like
15:11I might be completely fine with doing the same exact thing, but the contexts are different.
15:15And it's like, this doesn't make sense in this other one.
15:17Like, why would I do that?
15:18Right.
15:18So context is a big thing with like me defining my boundaries and it's never like cemented.
15:24It's always changing and it's okay to always change.
15:27Like you can be okay with one thing one day and then literally not okay with it the next
15:30day.
15:31And that is all right.
15:32Cause that's, that's human.
15:34It's human.
15:34It's human.
15:34You're allowed to feel different things.
15:36Like what I feel today is literally not how I'm going to feel tomorrow.
15:39Yeah.
15:39Yeah.
15:39Like our emotions are so up and down and just different.
15:43The weather changes.
15:44You feel different.
15:45It just, it's a lot.
15:46Yeah.
15:47And we're doing such intense content as well.
15:49Yeah.
15:50And I love that we get to have like, you know, we get to do these amazing stories and we
15:56get
15:56like, I'm so thankful to be in this industry.
15:59If it's really meant for you, it'll work its way out.
16:02You know, like you'll be able to compromise.
16:03You'll be able to talk things out.
16:04But if you know, they do release you and then you don't have to feel that, like, I don't
16:09know, that ickiness of doing something that you're not comfortable with.
16:12And then you don't, the next day you could get a call and it's like, Hey, you want you
16:15for this?
16:15Like the better job.
16:16Exactly.
16:17Oh my God.
16:17That is something that I'm, um, personally trying to implement in my life.
16:22If I am up for a job and I don't get it for some reason, whatever it may be, there's
16:27so
16:27many different things that are not even about you either.
16:31It's if it was meant for you, you would have it.
16:34And if it's not, it's better that it's passing you and just like, accept that.
16:37And sure.
16:37It might be a little like frou-frou, like, you know, whatever, like woo-woo universe
16:41thing, but I'm sorry.
16:42I'm all woo-woo universe.
16:43I'm woo-woo too.
16:44I'm very woo-woo do my journals.
16:47I do my manifestations, talk to the plants.
16:50Like I do the whole thing.
16:51But that's also with mental health too.
16:53You have to, or else if you're just in your head, you go crazy.
16:56And that's another thing too, with like, when we're doing these kinds of scenes and having
17:00all this craziness that happens to us, we're in these mental states.
17:03Like, it's so important to have stuff that you can utilize to like decompress at the end
17:07of the day and to feel better.
17:09And like, it was wild.
17:11After I did that scene, I remember posting on my Instagram, I was like,
17:14I need advice from other like actor friends, people in the industry.
17:17Like, I need help with disassociating from like a scene or like just like shaking it
17:21all off.
17:21And there were so many, like the outreach of people, like just giving me recommendations.
17:25Not only was that amazing, but like just to feel that community, like everything around
17:29you or they're like, I felt this before.
17:31I never said anything about it, but I felt it.
17:33And I'm glad you said something about it.
17:34Like now I can feel like I, it's not just me, you know, it's not just you.
17:39Like, it's okay to feel these things.
17:41And that's another thing.
17:42I'm like, as a human, you can feel so many different emotions at once.
17:45Like you can feel like, yes, I want to do this, but also like, this isn't for me.
17:50And like have that conflicting emotion.
17:52Like that's so common.
17:53Honestly, I feel like that's even more common than not.
17:56I feel like it's more common to have conflicting dialogue in your head.
18:00At least I do this all the time where I'm like having a conversation with myself.
18:04I'm like, I can't make a decision kind of where I'm like, oh, I want to do this, but
18:08it's actually not good for you, but then it'll help this.
18:09But then I don't know.
18:10And then you're like, wait, so what do I want?
18:12Which is it?
18:13You know, like I'm all over the place over here.
18:15Yeah.
18:16Do I like you?
18:16Do I not like you?
18:17How do you make me feel?
18:18Not good.
18:19But like, I'm supposed to like you, right?
18:21Yeah.
18:21Yeah, no, it's and that's OK.
18:23And I always say that I'm like, allow these emotions to go in and out like waves like
18:27you're not.
18:28And that's another thing, too, when people are like, like with the dissociating and like
18:32decompressing after a scene, it's like it's all right to feel these emotions, but also
18:36allow them to be like a wave through you, like allow it to and then fill up that your
18:41space with more positive and like uplifting things because, you know, yeah, you just let
18:46it flow through.
18:47Well, OK, so I have a question for you because I feel like a lot of people.
18:51It's like, oh, yeah, do more positive things, things that make you feel good.
18:54What are your recommendations for people that are like, OK, like I hear you, but like I
18:59don't know, like how to actually take action on.
19:01Yeah.
19:01I'm like what to do, what to do.
19:03Like, well, yeah, some things that I mean, at least personally for me, I number one, I
19:07love to journal.
19:08I'm a big journaler as well.
19:09I think just getting it out because I am not a big talker.
19:13Like, I love my my family, my mom and stuff, but I'm just not a big like I don't talk
19:17to
19:17people like I don't know.
19:19I prefer to just write it down in my journal and then I because I like to look back at
19:22my journals and I like to be like, all right, I felt this in this time and then, you know,
19:27I got through it and I'm stronger for it and I feel better.
19:29So I think journaling for me, it really helps just to get all those feelings out and onto
19:32paper.
19:33Um, but also another thing that I love to do, I love to take long hot showers.
19:38I think that's the, just the stimulation of everything on your skin and that heat it
19:43like something with your nervous system.
19:45It really just helps to kind of like shake everything out.
19:47Like also watching a nice like comfort movie or comfort film.
19:51I like to hike.
19:52So it's just like finding those things that give you endorphins and like make you feel
19:57good and like going out and implementing it.
20:00And it's not as easy as it is said than done, but I think it's important.
20:05Like if you try to take the action, like to actually do those things, you know?
20:09Um, but yeah, I, I really like to just go out and like hike.
20:12I think being out in the sun, getting vitamin D, yeah, nature.
20:15It's where we come from.
20:16I am a very woohoo girl.
20:17So, but it's true.
20:23I, I do think a lot of people, like we are all just energy buzzing around and it's important
20:29to go back to like where we came from.
20:32This is philosophical now, guys.
20:34It really is true, especially even like more so nowadays where like we're chronically online
20:39on our phones all the time for like I, the moment I wake up, I'm working or I'm on set
20:46filming around devices.
20:48And that's like, that's what sucks about our industry is that we need to have access to
20:52phones and social media and like emails because that's how we live.
20:56Other people in like different kinds of jobs, like don't need that.
20:59To be like on their phone every five seconds.
21:01Yeah.
21:01But it's like for us, that's necessary.
21:04Like it's necessary to be, you know, checking your emails because you could have something
21:08that'd be like rush casting.
21:09Like I need this right now, right now, now.
21:10Yeah.
21:11And it's like scary sometimes.
21:12I also think about this then, like if I'm out hiking for a whole day, okay.
21:15And I have no service and something like that comes in and then I lose it.
21:18It's like, it wasn't meant for you.
21:19It wasn't meant for me.
21:20It's also a way easier way to live when you can kind of believe that even if you don't
21:26believe it, I'm telling you, if you just start lying to yourself about it, it just makes
21:30life a little easier and not as heavy.
21:32And I feel like one thing that people struggle with is like, say you audition for something
21:37and they choose somebody else.
21:38It's, I feel like a lot of people are always like, oh, they didn't like me, but it's not
21:42you.
21:43It's like, it's like the performance.
21:44I literally, it's, it's crazy.
21:47It's not even like actually you at all.
21:50No, there's so many different things that go into it.
21:53It's so not, it's sometimes it's even a positive thing about you is why you didn't get it.
21:57Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:58Like literally, I, this happened to me this morning.
22:01I didn't book something because they, I'm really good friends with the director.
22:06He told me this.
22:07He was like, you know, he was on a deal or whatever.
22:08He's like, you're not booking it.
22:10We want you, but you're not getting it because you are too like powerful and your aura is
22:16too bright.
22:18So sorry, babe.
22:20And I'm like, okay, I could sit here.
22:24Right.
22:24And be like, oh my gosh, this is a really cool role.
22:27I'm really bummed.
22:28Sure.
22:28But also I wasn't meant to be on that set.
22:30Exactly.
22:30I wasn't meant to do that.
22:31Another actress is meant to do that and she's going to do great.
22:34And there are so many roles, like so many things popping up.
22:37This is only the start at least of like this vertical industry in like, you know,
22:40the West, you know, the West side.
22:41And so it's like, there are so many out there and you will find one.
22:45It'll be there for you.
22:46But yeah, I think that a lot of people do struggle with that.
22:48And it's hard.
22:49I've been doing this since I was eight and I've gotten probably well over like 5,000
22:53no's.
22:54Yeah.
22:54Like that's 18 years that I've been doing this.
22:57It's really hard.
22:58If I stayed on every single no, I would be so miserable.
23:02I would be so depressed.
23:03And you just, you can't live like that.
23:05Like if it's a no, let it go.
23:08If it's a no, you let it go.
23:10And you go on to the back.
23:11Exactly.
23:11And it wasn't meant for you.
23:12Like truly.
23:13I also feel like that even, of course, we're talking about specifically with acting, but
23:16even if you're talking about like relationships or like other jobs, it also works for everything
23:22too.
23:23If somebody doesn't like you, it's not because there's something wrong with you.
23:26It's because it's just, you're also not their person.
23:29Exactly.
23:29I did struggle with that a lot growing up, but now I'm at a point where I'm also in
23:36the same sense of like emotions come and go as waves.
23:38The universe has me, like it's got my back.
23:41Whatever is supposed to happen to me, whoever I'm supposed to meet, whatever I'm supposed
23:44to do, anything in that kind of capacity, I just got to let it go with the flow, you
23:48know, and trust in it.
23:49And I never am hard on myself when I lose something.
23:53I understand like, like you said, in any single like part of our lives, it's never anything
23:59that you do.
23:59It's always other people and like what they have going on.
24:02And so it's like, yeah, you could think that, oh, I'm not a good actor.
24:06Oh, I'm terrible at this.
24:07And it's like, there's so many other things and you can't focus on that.
24:10And it's so easy.
24:11It's so much easier to fall into the negativity trap and just like the self hate and like the
24:15whole thing, whatever you're going through.
24:16It does take active brain work to go the positive route, but it is so much better on that side
24:24of it because I've very much been on both where, you know, you have the self hate thing,
24:28but then it's like, then what?
24:30Like, what do you do with that?
24:31Like, you're just miserable.
24:32And that's why I'm whenever people like have grudges or things like that.
24:36I'm always like, why?
24:36Because that's something that's like you're causing your own misery.
24:40Yeah.
24:40It's like those people probably haven't thought about this for years.
24:42And it's like, it's still something that's stuck on you.
24:45I think I was born with like a predisposition to optimism.
24:49I always say that.
24:50Oh, that's so nice.
24:52Because I tend to be like happier, more go lucky.
24:56And I'm thankful that I, you know, grew up in a way that I was able to do that.
25:00Yeah.
25:00But it doesn't mean that I don't see like the negativities of the world and like how things
25:05can bring you down.
25:05And it doesn't mean that I haven't experienced that, which I have very many times in life.
25:10It's not easy.
25:11Yeah.
25:11Especially this industry, you know, inconsistent and crazy it is.
25:15But I just, I always try and think like how you think creates a reality.
25:18And so if you're always thinking negatively and like just sad, it's, that's what you're
25:24going to be like drawn to.
25:25And so it does take like that consciousness to be like, all right, I can either sit and
25:30wallow or I can figure something out.
25:33I can go do this.
25:34Like we have backstage casting networks, actors, actually, it's like the amount of like
25:39access that we have to the internet that back, you know, back in the day, you wouldn't be
25:42able to like, you have so many different things to help you and to propel you.
25:47And like, even backstage, it's like nice to do, to find like other smaller things if
25:51you're just starting, you know, and like, but there's, yeah, it's, it's hard to definitely
25:55stay optimistic sometimes, but it just, it's all about where you put your energy to.
25:59Right.
26:00I saw this, I was scrolling and I love when I end up brain rotting on like manifestation
26:05pages.
26:06That's always so good.
26:07You know, when you start and you're like, okay, this is like what it's feeding me, you
26:09know, what am I going through?
26:10That's my phone knows that I need some help right now.
26:13Um, there was this quote or this guy, um, talking about how obviously it's really easy
26:20to go negative and like you, or overthinking, I'm an overthinker, chronic overthinker where
26:25I'm like, okay, well, this is what's going to happen.
26:27And then I go through the whole thing, but you can also put that exact amount of overthinking
26:31into what if it works out?
26:33Like what if it does work out?
26:35And that's also the exact same brain functioning going on in a positive way.
26:40And it's just healthier.
26:42Yeah.
26:42Yeah.
26:42It really is.
26:43It's a lot healthier.
26:44Stress causes so many issues and it's important to, you know, de-stress yourself.
26:51For sure.
26:51Do things to help with that.
26:52I know.
26:53It's so hard.
26:54So being an actress and working in this space since you were eight, do you face a lot
26:59of criticisms?
27:00How does that work for you?
27:02I mean, I don't think I faced much criticism.
27:05I feel like the most criticism that I faced is maybe like getting into the verts, but
27:10it's from other actors and actresses.
27:12And like, oh, you're doing verticals?
27:15Like the other night I met.
27:16Oh my God.
27:17Yeah, I know.
27:18Like literally.
27:18Yeah.
27:19I met this.
27:19I was with my friend.
27:20I'm dead.
27:21Her name's Eloise Gordon.
27:22She does verts as well.
27:23Sarah Donnelly.
27:24We were all just kind of chilling.
27:26And these like two drunk people come up and they're like, hey, we're your neighbors.
27:29Can we come say hi?
27:30And we were all just like, okay, well, this drunk lady starts going off on us about how
27:36because she's like, oh, what do you guys like?
27:38What do you guys do?
27:39And we're like, oh, we're in acting like we do stuff.
27:41And she's like, oh, cool.
27:42But I hate the verticals like they're terrible.
27:46They're not real.
27:48And we were like, girl, number one, you got the wrong audience.
27:51Yeah, you in the wrong room, sis.
27:52And we were all just like, are you?
27:54Well, OK, number one, have you worked in the past like three years at all?
27:59Because the amount of opportunities that verticals give to people, at least just starting out or like there are so
28:06many jobs being filled with these verticals that like regular, you know, sag stuff like they just haven't had for
28:13the past three years.
28:14And also like the platforms like we get we get just so many opportunities from these and they're fun storylines.
28:20We get to travel.
28:21I've been to like two different countries for this.
28:23It's like it's the opportunity, the being like having that experience on set when, you know, in a time where
28:30not a lot of people are able to work like it's so awesome.
28:33And I'm just like for you to like down anybody's job is just a terrible thing.
28:39Any job.
28:39Any job.
28:40Whatever it is.
28:41It's like, girl, life is hard enough.
28:43Yeah.
28:43That's so just such a perfect example of like she's miserable or we all were like, we hope that she's
28:51OK.
28:52Yeah.
28:52I hope she gets through whatever she's going through.
28:54Her friend who was with her, he was just like, like he knew she was going on.
28:58Maybe she didn't get booked on when she auditioned for her.
29:00I don't know what it is.
29:00But it's also about like, you don't there's no reason to spew out hate or spew out negativity towards anybody
29:07else when like we're all just humans on this world where nobody knows what the right thing is to do
29:12on Earth.
29:13Like there's no reason to be mean.
29:14There's no reason to put down anybody.
29:16I think she was just, you know, miserable.
29:18Yeah.
29:18And it's like I would never do that about anything.
29:21I think verticals are great.
29:23There are different type of content.
29:24It's new.
29:25It's just starting like at least over here.
29:28And yeah, I'm still figuring it out.
29:29And it's also a job.
29:31And it's a job in an economy where it's not easy to work.
29:35Not people.
29:35Not many people are able to live in Los Angeles.
29:38Right.
29:38Very thankful that I'm in a position where I'm financially stable because that's a whole other thing.
29:42When I moved out here when I was 18, I like lied to my mom.
29:47I told her I was babysitting.
29:49I was.
29:49Oh, my gosh.
29:50This was like six years ago.
29:52I wanted to.
29:53So this is when COVID was just about starting.
29:55Starting, my roommate dropped out of our college in Kentucky and like went out to L.A.
30:01We came out here.
30:02She was a dancer.
30:02Okay.
30:03And she was like, just come out.
30:04Like our college is closing.
30:05Yeah.
30:05So I dropped out.
30:06Yeah.
30:07I was like, all right, let's go.
30:08Did you tell your parents?
30:09I did tell them, but I didn't tell them I dropped out.
30:12Okay.
30:12Yeah, you're like, I have.
30:13We're going online.
30:14Yeah, yeah, yeah.
30:15COVID, you know.
30:16And I had this opportunity to move to L.A.
30:17And also I was in the industry for a while.
30:19And so my mom was like, okay, cool.
30:21Like as long as you promise, like you're good.
30:23Because I also have always been kind of self-sufficient.
30:26Like I'm thankful.
30:27Like I had a Coogan account growing up until I was like 18.
30:30But when I moved to L.A., I just got wrapped up in some really bad things, like some underground
30:36things.
30:36Like I started to just lose myself.
30:39I ended up spending like over $60,000 in like four or five months.
30:43It can happen so fast.
30:46It happens so quick.
30:46I just got so caught up in the wrong people with the wrong life.
30:50Yeah.
30:50And I will never forget.
30:51Like I was in Santa Monica.
30:53It was like sunset.
30:54I had a hammock.
30:55I was like, call my mom.
30:56And I was like, mom, I need to just tell you.
30:59Like I had negative 200 in my bank account back and forth for the past like two months.
31:03I just, I can't, don't think I can be out here.
31:06And also at this time I was having problems with my roommate.
31:08Cause she had some mental health issues.
31:10And like, I just remember being in these places and I was like, is this when the police, like the
31:15day that the police are going to come in and like arrest me?
31:17Like I was just doing really bad stuff with like underground things.
31:20And so it was, it was terrible.
31:22And so it took so much to finally call her and tell her the truth.
31:28Yeah.
31:28And even when I did call her, I didn't tell her like the full thing.
31:31For sure.
31:32But she was, she's the most amazing woman I know.
31:34And so she was like, all right, we will get you home.
31:36Like you will be okay.
31:37Yeah.
31:37And so I was so thankful for that.
31:39But that is something that I will, that's a lesson that I'm glad I learned when I was 18.
31:43Yeah.
31:43I will never put myself in those kind of, I don't know.
31:47It's just, I learned a lot.
31:49Yeah.
31:49And I'm thankful that I learned it then.
31:51And now I'm 25.
31:52Yeah.
31:52I'm, have a better head on my shoulders from it.
31:55Very financially stable.
31:57Cause I'm very frugal now.
31:58Yeah.
31:59Safe girl.
31:59She loves writing in her journal.
32:01She does her little acting and hike.
32:03Healthy girly.
32:04I try, I try to, but yeah, that was, that was a crazy time.
32:07And so I left California.
32:08I was like, I never want to be in this industry again.
32:11Yeah.
32:11Like I hate this industry.
32:12It just took me into like the worst things.
32:14And for a while I didn't, I like, I went, I got married.
32:17I had a whole life when I was with him.
32:19And I lived in Kentucky cause I met him in college before I moved out to LA.
32:23Okay.
32:24So we ended up getting a house, having a dog.
32:26Wow.
32:26Oh my God.
32:26You did like the whole thing.
32:27I wanted, I wanted to be a wife.
32:29I still want to be a wife.
32:30Yeah.
32:31Like I'm a wifey.
32:32I like that.
32:33Yeah.
32:33I like that kind of wifey.
32:35But.
32:36It's hard to meet a guy.
32:37Okay.
32:38That's yeah.
32:38That's a whole other thing.
32:40But it is.
32:40Girl.
32:41Everybody.
32:41It's like.
32:42I thought he was perfect.
32:43I thought he was great.
32:44They always do that.
32:45Don't they?
32:46They always do.
32:46And then I ended up finding out he was like planning a whole life behind my back.
32:51Shut up.
32:51He went on a boy's trip to Hawaii.
32:53Oh.
32:54And the boy's trip was him and his guy friend meeting up with these two girls that they had
32:58been talking to.
32:59And so I had no idea until.
33:02How did you find out?
33:02So the first, like a month before this happened, I was like going through his phone.
33:06Cause mind you also.
33:07You had the energy.
33:08Like you could feel it.
33:09I could feel it.
33:09Like he started to want to do his own groceries, wanted to do his own laundry, like all this
33:13other crazy stuff.
33:14You're like who the hell wanted to do that?
33:15Yeah.
33:15And so I just was like, all right, what's going on?
33:18I looked on his phone one day when he was showering.
33:20Cause also mind you, my family, we ended up getting him like a phone, putting him on
33:23our phone plan.
33:23Cause he was, um, he's from Turkey.
33:25And so he was here on a student visa.
33:28And so we had gotten married cause I, and I didn't tell anybody either.
33:31I didn't tell my parents or anything.
33:33Only our friends were two witnesses.
33:34Cause we were just, I was young and dumb and I was like, I was in love.
33:38I was like, I want you to stay here with me.
33:40I know, I know.
33:40Like of course I'll just marry you.
33:42We're together for the rest of our life anyway.
33:43And we were together for like two years before that.
33:46So I was like, it should be fine.
33:48Well, yeah.
33:49And so then I was like, I found some things.
33:51I was like, all right, I'm giving you this opportunity to like remove these people.
33:54It'll be fine.
33:54Like if you do.
33:56And like, we work on ourselves.
33:57Then a month later, he goes on this Hawaii trip, boys trip.
34:00He comes back and I, my mom had just gotten to our house from Pennsylvania.
34:04Like she drove over.
34:05And so she's sleeping in our bedroom and we were going to sleep on the couch.
34:08This man's fell asleep on the couch.
34:09I come back out.
34:10I'm literally spooning next to him and I'm like scrolling on his phone.
34:15Yeah.
34:16You're just like, and I go in, there's like over 700 deleted messages from this one girl.
34:20And I start looking through it and it's like him, like planning a whole life with her.
34:26She was from Canada and they were like planning a whole life together.
34:29I literally just go back to my mom and I show her everything.
34:33And I, and then I'm like, all right, I'm kicking him out of the house.
34:36I'm like, this is my house.
34:37Yeah.
34:37Bye.
34:37And so I literally go in the living room.
34:39I flick on the lights and I'm like, what the F is this?
34:42Yes.
34:43And he literally rises and he's like, and I'm like, and he's like, why do you have my phone?
34:49And I'm like, Oh my God, the one that I bought you that I pay for every month.
34:52Oh my God.
34:52Also not him doing this on the phone that you pay for.
34:56Yes.
34:57Bitch.
34:57I was just, it was the craziest thing ever.
35:00And so I kicked him out that night and he did not get, go back in our house.
35:04I kept our dog Dumont.
35:05I love him so much.
35:06He's at home in Pennsylvania.
35:07We have like a farm in Pennsylvania.
35:09So like he gets to live out his good dog.
35:12Dumont's doing well.
35:13He's doing great.
35:14Um, and I get to see him whenever I'm home and stuff, which is nice.
35:17But he also keeps my mom company.
35:18But yeah, so he, I was just like, you need to leave.
35:21And that was the last time he was in that house.
35:23I packed all of his stuff, put it outside for whenever he wanted to come and get it.
35:27And then that prompted me.
35:29I sold every single thing that I owned.
35:31I cut my hair to here.
35:32I cut 18 inches off of it.
35:33Oh my gosh, it's so long too.
35:35Well, this was like three years ago.
35:36Did it feel good to like chop it?
35:38It felt so good, but I sold everything I owned.
35:41I had a backpack and like one other bag and I traveled abroad for like a year and a half.
35:45Where'd you go?
35:46I went to like France mostly.
35:48I did a lot of like volunteer work.
35:50It's called Workaway.
35:51Um, so I did all of that, um, in France and I just like would go down and like just
35:56to
35:56different homes and I like just traveled and I love landscape architecture.
36:00So I was doing that a little bit and helping them out with that wherever I would live.
36:04But yeah, that was such a dark time before I left, like when everything was just happening
36:09and I was like, this is like three years of my life that I've built and now it's like
36:13gone, gone down and like lied to, lied to.
36:17But one thing that I always remember is like the last day of like when we were signing our
36:22divorce papers, we walk out and he's like, well, do you want like one last hug?
36:26And I was like, no, thank you.
36:28Bye.
36:29And I just like turned around because I'm like, what do you, who do you think you are?
36:33No, I don't want to hug from you.
36:35You just like, was he like, Oh, I don't know.
36:38I turned around.
36:38I walked away.
36:39You never look back.
36:40I'll never look back.
36:41Don't look back.
36:42But so that was, yeah, dark, but we got through it.
36:45You know, I did that in France and then I started running out of money again and I was
36:48like, okay, well, what do I do?
36:50I don't know if I want to model again.
36:52Like I hate that industry, but I'm running out of money.
36:55I am in a different country.
36:57What can I do?
36:57What can I do?
36:58Yeah.
36:58So I got back and I, my dad, he travels to work.
37:02He does like construction.
37:02So I was working or I was staying with him down South while he was working and I was just
37:07waitressing, um, at like a golf course, like club thing.
37:12And I was like, this doesn't really feel fulfilling to me.
37:15So like, I really enjoyed, I love talking to people.
37:18I love yapping.
37:18Yeah.
37:19As you guys can probably tell me.
37:20I love the yaps.
37:22But yeah.
37:22So I was like, this isn't fulfilling to me, but I don't want to go back to modeling.
37:25And then that's when I, I started to, I don't know, I was just doing little things here
37:30and there for money.
37:31And I met somebody who got me in contact with my manager out here.
37:34And then the whole thing kind of started with that.
37:37Um, because I was like, all right, if I don't want to do modeling, acting would be fun.
37:41Like I want to do something more where I can be sad.
37:44I could be scary.
37:44Yeah.
37:45Be emotional.
37:46I can do all this stuff.
37:46And you have a deep well.
37:48Yeah.
37:48Yeah.
37:48So you do, I appreciate it.
37:53Um, but yeah, so I was just like, you know, let me try that.
37:55Let me try that.
37:56And then I booked my first vertical back in like April of last year.
37:59Yeah.
38:00It's been good ever since, but it's definitely not easy.
38:03And every day we go through struggles.
38:05Absolutely.
38:06But yeah, there was some times where I was just like, what do I do?
38:09I don't know what I want to do or what it's hard.
38:12Honestly, even I feel like when you do have a path that's like working, it's still sometimes
38:16you're like questioning it.
38:17You're like, is this actually what I'm meant to be doing?
38:19Like, do I fully enjoy this?
38:21Is this right?
38:22Yeah.
38:22It's hard.
38:23It's really hard to know.
38:24In this space too, like coming back to the verticals with like, when you get some of these
38:27scripts and you're like, what is this?
38:30Oh my God.
38:30I know.
38:31It's like, I have to beat everybody.
38:33Like I am so mean, you know, like I am.
38:36But you have to.
38:37Going back to boundaries.
38:38It's like, you need to set these boundaries.
38:40Like I, I've had conversations with people where I'm like, no, I'm not doing this.
38:44And like, they push and they push and they push.
38:45And I'm like, you're going to have to find another girl.
38:47Like, I'm sorry, but I'm not comfortable with this.
38:50And luckily, like, I feel like we're, you know, we have been in this long enough where
38:54we can, we are comfortable with that.
38:56But like, when you're just starting out, it's, it's very scary and you don't want to be like
38:59say blacklisted.
39:00Okay.
39:00I have a question for you to give some advice for our fans.
39:03So back when we were talking about like the ex-Turkish piece of shit, um, like
39:09that's a painful discovery.
39:13Yeah.
39:13That's your husband.
39:14Yeah.
39:14That you thought you were going to have a life with and it changed.
39:17Yeah.
39:18Yet you're still so true to like, I'm not hugging you.
39:22Get out, bitch.
39:24You talking about it.
39:25It's like, oh wow.
39:26Yeah.
39:26She's just like super powerful.
39:27But you were probably going through a lot of like sadness during that too.
39:30Oh my gosh.
39:30How do you actually follow your boundary and stand up for yourself in this moment?
39:34No.
39:35Yeah.
39:35That was very, that was hard because also I met him when I first went to college.
39:40I actually met him through the friends that I met at college, like our freshman year.
39:44He was on like the diving team and I was like in the same dorm as all.
39:48Not the diving team.
39:48I know.
39:50It was so random.
39:52No, for sure.
39:52He was on the diving team.
39:53I get it.
39:55Swimmer.
39:55Yeah.
39:56Yeah.
39:57But, um, no, it was funny because like I met all of those friends and then they, like
40:02it was such a meet cute too.
40:04Like the first time I met was like in the first day of like the new semester.
40:09It was like, I was with all of like the divers that I had known in like my dorm.
40:14And then he like comes in, starts walking up the stairs and I was like, and then he
40:19like knows all of them and starts getting out.
40:21And so it was such a cute meet cute.
40:23This is like actually a real short.
40:24It literally, it really was.
40:25I have a lot of life things that I'm like, one day I will write these into scripts.
40:29Oh my God.
40:29You should.
40:30Into something.
40:31Um, but yeah, no, it was, it was great at first.
40:33And then it was hard because when we did, when all this was going down, we were our friend
40:38group, like it was us, like we were a big friend group, you know, and we were like mom
40:42and dad.
40:43Yeah.
40:44And so when this happened, I struggled because it was like people, you know, were picking
40:49sides kind of.
40:50Of course.
40:50And not even picking sides, but it was just like, I didn't really tell them what happened
40:54at first and everybody was kind of confused.
40:57And then, cause like he had went over to their place, like some of the guys right after.
41:01Yeah.
41:02And so I feel like he kind of not got to them first, but kind of told them first.
41:06And I was like, guys, the proof is in his phone.
41:08Literally.
41:09He's a POS.
41:10And so, I don't know.
41:12I kind of felt a little resentment for that friend group for a while too, because I was
41:16like, guys, like this was the worst thing that you can do to somebody and you're still
41:20friends with him and like, you're okay with him.
41:22Like that honestly hurt more than like him.
41:24Than like him.
41:24Right.
41:25Like him doing it.
41:26The betrayal of the like friends almost.
41:28Cause it was like, there's like 20 of us.
41:30Like we would always have like Thanksgiving's together, Christmas's together.
41:32Like it was a big family.
41:33And then, so it felt, it felt like, yeah, just like hard knowing that they were still comfortable
41:38with him.
41:38They were still friends with him.
41:39And it's like, it is what it is.
41:41But I just, yeah, felt like sad from that.
41:44Yeah.
41:45But then instead of being sad, I started to get mad.
41:47And I was like, boy, you don't deserve this.
41:49You don't deserve me.
41:50It's not fair.
41:51I don't deserve this.
41:53And then that's when I started to get mad.
41:55And I was like, all right, I can either sit here, wallow, be sad for like a year or
42:00two.
42:00Or I can be like, all right, we got a shift in life.
42:04We have new opportunities.
42:06We can do new things.
42:07It wasn't meant for you.
42:07It wasn't meant for me.
42:09We will get through this.
42:10It's going to make me stronger in the end.
42:11And this isn't going to be the thing that takes me down.
42:13So yeah.
42:14Yeah.
42:14But it was definitely hard for a while.
42:17Oh, yeah.
42:18But we got through it.
42:18I feel like that's a really good trick almost on yourself.
42:21If you're sad going through something, which is a normal emotion, if you can change it a
42:26little bit, if you're kind of like viewing yourself as maybe a friend or something, if your
42:31friend was going through this, how would you want them to act?
42:33Yeah.
42:34Act like that.
42:34Yeah, exactly.
42:35True.
42:36Take a step back out.
42:36Look at things from a different perspective for a second and then go back into it and
42:40be like, all right, here's what we can do.
42:43Yeah.
42:44Me, myself, and I.
42:45Here's what we can do.
42:45Yeah.
42:46Yes, exactly.
42:46The collective within me.
42:48Me and my brain with all myself and personalities.
42:50Which one are we today?
42:52Yeah.
42:52And that's also another thing, too, is like acting and being on these different characters.
42:57Oh, God.
42:57I know.
42:57I'm like literally 10 humans.
42:59Especially being like doing villain characters.
43:00I can only imagine how hard it is.
43:03I just feel like it's crazy.
43:05I will say this.
43:06Actually, I'm pretty good about once I rap becoming myself again.
43:10Sure, yeah.
43:11But the hardest thing is on set.
43:13So, okay, you guys all know my characters or other villains and what they're like.
43:20They're pretty insane and intense.
43:23I have a hard time if I'm doing a crazy villain scene and then it's like, okay, we're cutting
43:28and then it's like, somebody's like talking to me.
43:30It's not that I'm like, but I'm like, not myself.
43:34Yeah, yeah.
43:35And then a lot of times people on set will like forget that I'm playing a character almost
43:40where it's like, oh, no, like she's not like Sarah right now.
43:44I'm beating humans and doing crazy things.
43:48It's the most random things.
43:49And so sometimes I feel like I have to overcompensate.
43:52I have to be like, hi.
43:54Which can also be draining too.
43:56And it is because I feel like people will just look at me and assume I'm bitchy or villainy
44:01or mean because of the way I look, because of my characters, because of the personality
44:05type.
44:06Yeah.
44:06And then I feel like I have to do extra work of proving that I'm not that.
44:12And that gets exhausting for me.
44:14Oh, 100%.
44:14Yeah.
44:15But once I'm wrapped, a lot of times I disassociate in the car where I'm just like, oh, and then
44:21I'm like, oh, I just drove.
44:22That seems illegal.
44:23I know.
44:24It's like, oh, I'm home already?
44:25I just remember the road for the last hour.
44:26Yeah, I'm like, wait, I literally should not be driving right now.
44:29No, I feel you.
44:29Do you know what I mean?
44:30After a shoot, you're just like, yeah.
44:32No, it's like I am staring at the road, but I haven't been looking.
44:35There's nothing behind those eyes.
44:37Okay, so obviously we talk so much about boundaries, mental health, just what we go through as
44:43humans existing in the world.
44:45If you could leave your fans with anything today, what would you say and how to do it,
44:50how to achieve it, go off?
44:52Okay.
44:53I guess going on the theme of what we've been talking about today is just stay true to yourself,
44:58your morals, your boundaries.
45:00You are the only person that is yourself in this world, and you're going to be the only
45:05person that stays with yourself your entire life, and so it's important to make sure that
45:09you are comfortable in any capacity, whatever you have to do, and that you're happy and proud
45:14of yourself for doing it, and you don't look back and you're like, that's the worst feeling.
45:19It's very important to set those boundaries and have those morals, and it's okay to be different.
45:24Everybody can have different morals and different boundaries, but whatever is true to you,
45:27keep that, and don't let, especially this industry, if you're in it, change you, because they will
45:32try, and it's important to stay true to yourself.
45:34We want unique, individual people, and you don't need to get shuffled into, you know, a
45:39system, and yeah, so stay true to yourself.
45:41I needed this today.
45:43Don't dim your light for anybody.
45:46Precisely.
45:46All right, Real Talk fans, I love you guys so much, and we'll see you next week.
45:49Thanks, guys.
45:50Bye.
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