00:00Thank you so much for joining us.
00:30...nang sinabit niyang transcript ng online press con kung saan nagarap ang umunoy pagbabanta.
00:35Ipinalabas din ang depensa ang bahagi ng online press con noong November 2024 kung saan nakita ang emosyonal na chief
00:44of staff ni Duterte na si Atty. Zuleyka Lopez bilang konteksto raw ng mga salitang binitawan ng bise.
00:52At mula po sa Senado, nakatutok live si Sandra Aguinaldo.
00:56Sandra!
00:59Mel, Emil, Vicky, day 3 na nga po ng impeachment trial pero isang witness pa lang po ang naisasalang.
01:07At dito po sa ginawang cross-examination ay sinubukang tibagin ng depensa ang kredibilidad ng witness ng prosekusyon.
01:20Sa cross-examination sa witness ng prosekusyon na si John Mark Kalilong, senior agent ng National Bureau of Investigation, sinubukan
01:28ng depensa na kwestyonin ang kanyang kredibilidad.
01:31Si Kalilong ang nag-imbestiga sa video ni Vice President Sara Duterte na ayon sa prosekusyon ay pagbabanta sa buhay
01:40ng Pangulo, First Lady at dating Speaker.
01:42My question is, if you know, did the President file any criminal complaint against the Vice President?
01:50I have no personal knowledge, sir.
01:52Did the First Lady, Lisa Aroneta Marcos, file any criminal complaint against VP Sara?
01:57I have no personal knowledge.
01:58How about the Speaker, Martin Romaldis?
02:01Did he file any criminal complaint against VP Sara as a result of the November 23, 2024 online press conference?
02:08I have no personal knowledge.
02:11Did you really investigate this case?
02:13With Ron, Your Honor.
02:14With Ron.
02:15With Ron.
02:16Sa pagtatanong ng depensa, sinabi rin ni Kalilong na hindi kinuna ng NBI ng affidavit ang Pangulo at ang iba
02:23pang kasama niyang sinasabing pinagbantaan.
02:26Ilang personalidad lang daw ang nakuna nila ng affidavit dahil mga pangalan nila ang nakita sa video.
02:33Nagtanong si Senator Judge Allan Peter Cayatano sa witness.
02:36In your reports, did you characterize it as a conditional threat?
02:41Kasi kung hindi naman siya pinatay, the logical implication is that there's no threat against the...
02:47So I'm not saying it's not illegal, immoral to contract a killer.
02:52It wasn't a conditional in your mind?
02:55Because may kinausap na.
02:58Even with or without, sir, it's still considered a threat.
03:01But your initial assessment, personal mo as an investigator, this is an investigation of the whole NBI, but yung personal
03:07mo?
03:08The threat is absolute, sir.
03:17Ilan pa sa kinuwestiyon ng Depensa ang umunoy hindi tugmang transcript ng video mula sa NBI.
03:23Yeti Kalilong, tama ang transcript.
03:26Gaya ng ginawa ng prosekusyon,
03:28tinalaki ng Depensa ang sinasabing video ng pagbabanta ng BSE noong November 2024.
03:33Ipinalabas ang bahagi ng video kung saan emosyonal na nagsasalita ang chief of staff ni VP Sarah na si Zulayka
03:42Lopez
03:42na nakadete na noon sa kamera matapos ipakontempt ng House Committee on Good Government
03:48na nag-iimbestiga sa paggamit ng BSE ng confidential funds.
03:52To transfer me to the women's correctional in the dead of the night.
03:57I mean, bakit ganoon?
03:59Wala na bang rights yung mga tao?
04:01No, you just keep your room and then just get...
04:05My life is being threatened.
04:09And if you know, I'm sure you saw in the evening that my back hurts.
04:13I cannot parang lift everything.
04:18I cannot.
04:19But dahil natakot ako, I feared for my life.
04:23Tinanong ni Sen. Riza Ontiveros ang Depensa kung ano ang punto nito sa pagpapalabas ng video.
04:29Sinasabi po ba ng Depensa na yung mga alleged threats o alleged incitements ni VP Duterte ay prompted nung detention
04:43ni Attorney Lopez?
04:44Yes, Your Honor.
04:46There was a systematic oppression made by the House of Representatives.
04:51Even if she was answering the questions faithfully and to the best of her ability,
04:58she was cited in contempt, detained.
05:03Her lawyer was not allowed to be with her when they were trying to detain her in the women's correctional
05:15facility, Your Honor.
05:16So, Mr. Presiding Officer, counsel for the defense,
05:23a position po ba ng Depensa na pwedeng palampasin ang alleged grave threats
05:31kung may masasabing lehitimong dahilan para magbanta?
05:39Your Honor, that is not the point.
05:41Nagpaalala naman si Escudero.
05:43I would like to remind Senator Judges to be cautious in making counsels for either party
05:51make conclusions of law and fact.
05:53Instead of presenting evidence through a witness they will present
05:56or through direct, cross, redirect or recross.
06:02Because if he answers, Senator Judges and De Veros,
06:06that would effectively place on record a conclusion of fact and law,
06:09not drawn from a witness, which they can very well do so during their closing remarks.
06:15Pinresenta rin ang Depensa ang ilang dokumento na nagpapakita
06:19sa ilang komunikasyon ng DOJ sa NBI,
06:21kaugnay sa investigasyon ng kaso.
06:24Kaya hirit ang Depensa.
06:25The NBI investigated and filed the complaint.
06:29The DOJ directed the investigation and will determine whether the case should proceed to court.
06:36And the alleged offended party, President Marcos,
06:40is the constitutional head of the executive branch
06:43exercising control over both the DOJ and the NBI.
06:56Kung kahapon panay-object ng Depensa,
06:58ngayon panay-object din ang prosecution.
07:01The NBI, of course you're from the NBI,
07:04is under the Department of Justice.
07:07Yes, sir.
07:07Your Honor, we can take judicial notice of that.
07:10Your Honor,
07:12I'm uncrossed, Your Honor.
07:13I know, but there are things that may not be discussed.
07:15Your Honor, please.
07:18Counsel, let's give him some latitude.
07:21Although we can't take judicial notice of that,
07:24it's part of his cross-examination.
07:26Yes, thank you, Your Honor.
07:27The Secretary of Justice is meanwhile the head of the DOJ.
07:31Correct?
07:32Yes, sir.
07:33The Secretary of Justice exercises control and supervision over the NBI.
07:39Yes, but even without...
07:41No, no more questions.
07:42Yes, sir, no, Mr. Witness, if you know.
07:47Can you repeat, sir?
07:47Mr. Witness?
07:48The Secretary of Justice exercises control and supervision over the NBI.
07:53Yes or no?
07:55We are under, sir.
07:57But we're independent.
07:59So you do not know?
08:00Oh, Your Honor, that's argumentative.
08:02So you do not know?
08:03You claimed in your affidavit, sir, that affidavit of investigation,
08:10that the NBI began its investigation into the VP's remarks
08:13because it was directed by the DOJ to do so.
08:18Motoproprio indirect, sir.
08:20Okay.
08:23Do you understand what you just said, sir?
08:25Oh, oh.
08:26Can I object to that, Your Honor, please?
08:29I'm asking, sir.
08:30It makes sense, sir.
08:30Argumentative, counsel.
08:32Move on.
08:33Motoproprio, sir, means?
08:36Oh, no.
08:36Objection.
08:37You cannot lecture, counsel.
08:38This is cross-examination.
08:40You mentioned mutoproprio.
08:41What does it mean?
08:43Even without a complainant, we started the investigation, sir.
08:47Are you sure, sir?
08:48Oh, argumentative.
08:49Are you sure, sir?
08:50Kaya kinailangang mag-refery minsan ng presiding officer.
08:54Counsel, again, the witness is not a newbie.
08:57I think he can handle himself and would know how to answer
09:01if indeed he is familiar or not with what is being presented to him.
09:05And thus far, he has responded based on his knowledge of these documents.
09:10Chair, we'll allow it.
09:17Vicky, matapos nga ang pagdinig,
09:19o matapos ang cross-examination,
09:22ay tinapos na yung pagdinigayong araw na ito
09:24at magpapatuloy po ito sa lunes.
09:27Vicky?
09:28Maraming salamat sa iyo, Sandra Aguinaldo.
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