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00:00...ating linya via phone patch, former senator and senatorial candidate,
00:05hoping to be back for the 20th Congress, Panfilo Ping Laxon.
00:09Senator, magandang umaga po.
00:10Good morning, Senator Ping.
00:14Good morning.
00:16Magandang, magandang umaga.
00:17Thank you for accepting our invitation to join us this morning again on ASPN.
00:21Senator Ping, umpisahan na po natin.
00:25Ano muna ako, general question, yung saloobin niyo,
00:27anong nararamdaman niyo dito po sa nagaganap ng itong major upheaval
00:34dito po sa ating bansa that's unfolding
00:37at magpapatuloy pa sa susunod na mga buwan o marahil ay taon pa?
00:42Senator Ping.
00:45Magkahalong pagkakabala at pagkalungkot na rin.
00:48Kasi, di ba nga, parang sa tinagal-tagal ng panahon,
00:52laging yung pagkakahiwa-hiwalay natin.
00:55Medyo, okay lang yung mag-express ng kanya-kanyang opinion,
01:00mga dissenting opinions, opposing opinions.
01:02Pero ang problema, pagkayong malalim na at tumaas na yung emotion,
01:07eh, ang magsasaper dito in the long term,
01:09eh, yung bansa na natin.
01:11Hindi na yung mga political, yung mga nagpa-participate.
01:15Eh, Senator Ping, bilang nga dati pong hepe po ng PNP,
01:19kayo ho ba ay nakakatanggap po ng mga balita na may unrest na po ba talaga
01:24sa hanay ng ating mga kapulisan?
01:27Isama ko na rin po dyan ang ating army.
01:30Do you think, because nga sabi mo,
01:31nagdadala ito ng watak-watak, no, divisiveness.
01:34But for you po, have you heard any unrest in the police?
01:40May rumblings ba, may unrest?
01:43Meron po ba talagang, baka magkaroon ba ulit na tayo ng pagkakataon, magkaku?
01:48Ano po ang inyong intel dyan po sa inyong hanay?
01:54Kasi hindi mo rin may alis na malaki ang tinatanong ng utang na loob
01:58ng uniform services, hindi lamang sa hanay ng mga aktibo,
02:02kundi pati yung sa mga retirees, ano, kay Pangulong Duterte.
02:05Kasi talagang sa panahon niya, doon lang nakaramdam ng napakaraming,
02:10sabihin na natin, beneficyo in terms of nagdoblo yung sweldo,
02:14tapos nag-increase din yung mga pension.
02:17Hindi mo may alis na may mga magsisimpatsya,
02:20pero yung overt na pakikilahok sa dissent o sa pagtutol
02:26doon sa nangyari kay Pangulong Duterte, ibang usapin yun.
02:30At I'd like to think na yung members ng armed forces,
02:33pati yung MUPs, yung uniformed services, uniformed personnel,
02:38eh mananatiling professional at saka tapat sa kanilang tungkulin
02:42at hindi kung anumang partisan political activities.
02:48Wala akong narinig na talagang yung seryoso na dapat natin ipangamba
02:52kung ang pag-uusapan natin yung hanay ng mga military and uniformed personnel.
02:57Okay. Yung magkabilang kampo po, kampo po ng dating Pangulo
03:03at syempre ang ating pamalaan, may kanya-kanyang pahayag tungkol po
03:07doon sa pagka-arresto.
03:10The manner of how the former President was arrested.
03:13So sinasabi nga yung ginawang pag-arresto po kay FPRRD,
03:18by the book, ikanang pamalaan, by the book,
03:20and nagkaroon ng due process, sinasabi naman yung kabilang kampo,
03:25iligal yung ginawa pong pag-arresto.
03:27Bilang former PNP chief, ano po ang masasabi nyo
03:30tungkol po sa paraan ng pagkaka-arresto kay former President Duterte?
03:35Alam mo, Ms. Ali, Ms. Patpino,
03:38napakarami na nating narinig ng mga legal opinions
03:40galing sa mga legal experts, mga legal luminaries,
03:44mga eksperto sa international law, criminal law.
03:47Eh, coming from me, na hindi naman abugado,
03:50eh isa lang ang sasabi ko, ano man ang sabihin kong opinion,
03:52lalo't legal, eh not counted,
03:55at saka walang credibilidad kumparado sa mga nagsasalita
03:58na talagang nag-aral ng batas
04:01at nag-practice pa ng kanilang mga profesyon.
04:05Oo.
04:06So, Senator Ping, ito po,
04:08kilala ho nyo ba si Police Major General Nicolás Torre?
04:11Kasi nga po, he has been very, ano, no,
04:16talagang, ano siya, front center, backwards, lahat na po.
04:19Siya yung humuli po kay Kibuloy,
04:22tapos ngayon po kay President, former President Duterte.
04:25Ano ho ba yung nagiging basihan?
04:27Bakit po siya napili?
04:29Ngayon po, no, yung mga kontra,
04:31ay sinasabi siya po yung attack dog po
04:33ni PBBM, nitong administration po.
04:36Kayo po, kilala ho nyo ba personally?
04:39And ano po yung nagiging basihan
04:40kung paano siya po ang pinili
04:42para po humuli kay Kibuloy
04:45at mag-serve ng arestwaran kay PRRD?
04:50Noong CPMP ako,
04:52siya ay under kay Major General Lucas Managelod,
04:55na siya ang CIBG Director ko,
04:57noong kuya yung CPMP.
04:59Noong tinanong ko siya,
05:00anong background ni ngayon,
05:02yung Major General Torres,
05:03junior officer niya at sinabi niya na
05:05napaka-decisive na opisyal,
05:08professional.
05:09Maganda yung reputation na banggit sa akin
05:12ni Major General Lucas Managelod,
05:15na retard na rin yun,
05:16pero siya yung CIBG Director ko.
05:18Dahil yun ang kanyang,
05:21ayon sa kanyang observation,
05:23nagsisilbi pa sila pareho
05:24sa CIBG ng CPMP.
05:26Wala akong direct na personal na pagkaalam
05:29tukol sa character o sa reputasyon ni Yael Torres.
05:35General Torres, sorry.
05:37General Torres, oo.
05:38Ibalik ko lang dun sa pagkaka-aresto kaya,
05:41labas na yung legal na usapin,
05:44pero yung,
05:45it was like,
05:46it was deliberate,
05:49deliberate choice nila,
05:51na piliin mostly female,
05:53na mga police.
05:53Yun po yung akin po nga tinatanong,
05:58na most of them were women,
06:01all of them were wearing body cameras
06:03mula sa airport pa lamang.
06:05So, everything was caught on video,
06:07no?
06:07Kung para to speak,
06:09the videos will speak na
06:10kung nagkaroon ng due process,
06:14if by the book.
06:15Tapos,
06:16hindi disallowed,
06:17hindi pinagbawalan yung mga tao
06:18na kumuha ng sarili nilang mga videos
06:22using their cell phones.
06:23Si Kitty,
06:24particularly,
06:25was taking videos
06:26and she was posting on social media.
06:28Yung ganun pong pamamaraan,
06:30Senator Ping.
06:33Yeah,
06:34maximum tolerance.
06:35I think,
06:35na-observe yung maximum tolerance.
06:37Dahil nga sa prevailing situation
06:39at that time,
06:40pati yung personalidad na involved,
06:42imagine,
06:43dating commander in chief,
06:45dating presidente,
06:46ang kasama dating executive secretary,
06:48kasama yung pamilya.
06:49At,
06:50kung hindi ka mag-exercise
06:52ng restraint,
06:54at saka maximum tolerance,
06:55medyo talagang gugulo.
06:57Pero,
06:57I think,
06:58napili si General Torre,
07:00dahil sabihin natin,
07:01his reputation preceded him.
07:03Dahil,
07:03yung pagka-handle niya
07:05ng pag-serve din ng warrant
07:06kay Pastor Tiguloy,
07:09iba rin.
07:10Dahil,
07:11ang narinig ko,
07:12ang pumili talaga sa kanya,
07:13si General Narbil.
07:15Noong hiningan ng
07:17rekomendasyon ng Palacio,
07:19kung sino yung nararapit opisyal.
07:21Agad-agad,
07:21siya yung pinili
07:22na mamuno
07:23o mag-serve ng warrant
07:25o red notice man lang
07:27na galing sa Interpol.
07:29So,
07:30nakita rin naman natin,
07:32natapatot yung interview niya,
07:33very detailed,
07:34at saka,
07:36parang direct to the point,
07:38very forthright.
07:39At ako mismo,
07:40humangang ako doon sa kanya
07:41mga sinasabi
07:44noong interview siya ng media.
07:46Sabi niyo nga po,
07:47Senator Pink,
07:48maximum tolerance,
07:49at nakasama po dyan
07:50isang babae po ng SAF
07:51na nabato
07:54pinukpok
07:55ni Hanilet Avancenya.
07:58Yung ganyan ho ba,
07:59pwede na lang ho ba yan
08:01ipang-santabe
08:02o dapat ho ba,
08:03kumbaga,
08:04should the PNP also assert
08:06it's ano,
08:07yung kanilang
08:08yung kanilang
08:09right
08:10na i-demanda siya
08:12o dapat talaga
08:13kusa na lang po yan
08:14manggagaling po sa
08:15sa biktima.
08:18Hindi ho ba dapat
08:18ang PNP mismo?
08:19Ano yung call
08:21call down ng biktima yun eh,
08:22kasi siya talaga yun
08:23pwede mag-file ng
08:24complaint against
08:25the person
08:26na sa tingin niya
08:27gumawa ng
08:28o nagkaroon ng
08:29nag-commit ng crime
08:30against his person
08:31or her person
08:32for that matter.
08:33So,
08:34ang narinig natin
08:35hindi rin magpa-file
08:36ng kaso siguro
08:38humingi na rin siya
08:39ng guidance
08:40sa kanyang superior officer
08:41at parang
08:42hindi nalabaki pa yung
08:43yung utop
08:44punog
08:45ika nga
08:46the manner of speaking.
08:47Eh,
08:47mas sab na rin ako
08:48sumasangayon ako
08:49na
08:50magkalimutan na lang
08:51kasi part na ng
08:52alam mo,
08:53kasama sa
08:54kasweldo yun eh.
08:56Yung maharap ka sa
08:57ganong
08:58mga pangyayari,
08:59ganong insidente.
08:59So,
09:00ako rin,
09:00kung ako yung
09:01superior officer niya
09:03at
09:03hingi na aking opinion,
09:05ang i-advise ko rin,
09:05huwag na lang,
09:06kalimutan mo na lang,
09:07let's move on.
09:07For the sake of
09:09huwag na makagdagdag pa
09:11sa gulo
09:11sa usapin.
09:13Oo,
09:13adding fuel to the fire,
09:15parang ngayon,
09:16parang yung mga galawan,
09:18dahil maalab na maalab po,
09:20yung ano,
09:21yung sitwasyon po ngayon
09:22sa ating bansa,
09:23ito at binabalita nga
09:25na hindi lamang dito
09:27sa ilang bahagi po
09:28dito sa Pilipinas,
09:29kahit abroad,
09:30nakakaroon po
09:31ng mga rallies,
09:32ng mga protesta,
09:34bring Duterte back home,
09:37ito po ba yung
09:38tingin nyo po
09:39matutuloy yung eleksyon
09:40sa Mayo?
09:43Ano naman,
09:45ito matutuloy yung eleksyon.
09:46Alam mo,
09:47so plus count,
09:48parang 61,
09:50yung protest rallies
09:51na nagawa,
09:52hindi lamang dito
09:53sa ibang bahagi ng mundo.
09:59So talagang
10:00napakasang emosyon,
10:01ano?
10:02At kung
10:04hindi makaka-apekto,
10:06sa sitwasyon,
10:08sa political situation
10:09sa ating bansa,
10:10ang panalangin natin,
10:11huwag na lang sana
10:11kasi nanggaling na tayo dyan,
10:13may ETSA-1,
10:14may ETSA-2,
10:15at kung magkakaroon pa
10:16ng ETSA-3,
10:17eh hindi lang
10:18isang particular na grupo
10:19ang maapektuhan,
10:21kundi yung bong bansa
10:22kasi
10:22tuwing dadantay sa ganyan,
10:25although,
10:26alam mo,
10:27basa't nang naging epekto
10:29kaysa sa mabuti.
10:30So,
10:31Senator Ping,
10:32ito po,
10:33aside from
10:34former President Duterte
10:36facing the ICC,
10:37meron rin po
10:37yung nakabinbin po
10:38na impeachment trial
10:39po ni VP Sara.
10:41At nakatakda,
10:43supposedly,
10:43June 3,
10:44mag-umpisa po.
10:46Tapos,
10:46tatawid na po yan
10:47sa 20th Congress
10:48kung matuloy.
10:49Kayo ho ba,
10:50ano po ba dapat
10:51ang,
10:52kung baga,
10:54ano ba,
10:54bugbog na bugbog na ho ba
10:55ang mga Duterte?
10:56Dapat isa na lang muna
10:57o dapat
10:58sabay pa rin po natin
10:59linilitis
11:00yung nangyayari po dyan
11:01sa dahig
11:02at saka po
11:03yung dito po
11:03yung impeachment trial.
11:05Kung kayo po,
11:06yung opinion lang nyo po.
11:09Sa halikang batas kasi
11:10ang sumasaklaw
11:11doon sa impeachment,
11:12once na matransmit sa Senate
11:13yung articles of impeachment,
11:15wala naman magagawa
11:16yung Senado
11:16kundi aksyonan.
11:18One way or the other,
11:21magsagawa ng,
11:22o mag-constitute
11:23yung mga members
11:25ng Senate
11:25into an impeachment court
11:27at dumas sa pagdinig.
11:29So, wala
11:30constitutional mandate yun
11:32na hindi pwedeng iwasan.
11:33So,
11:35hiwalay sa politika,
11:36usapang
11:37constitution,
11:38usapang legal
11:39yung impeachment
11:40na hiwalay
11:41doon sa,
11:42of course,
11:43hindi may iwasan
11:43magkaroon ng perception
11:44na may persecution
11:46kasi
11:46mag-ama yung
11:48naharap
11:49sa mga legal
11:50na usapin
11:50at sila yung
11:51nasa receiving end.
11:52Hindi maalis yun,
11:53lalo pangat
11:54yung mga supporters
11:55medyo mainit
11:56at sila pa yung,
11:58sabi mo nga kanina,
11:59nag-a-add ng fuel
12:00sa fire
12:01na nagpa-fund
12:01ng flames
12:03sa mga pangyayari.
12:06So, speaking of
12:07maximum tolerance,
12:09paano nga po
12:10haharapin ito
12:12ng ating pamalaan
12:13because we cannot
12:14deny na napakalawak pa
12:18nung base of support
12:20ng mga Duterte
12:21na sabay lilitisin
12:23yung tatay,
12:25yung ama,
12:25lilitisin sa dahig.
12:27Si VP Sara naman,
12:28lilitisin sa Senado
12:29for her conviction
12:32at maalis po sa pwesto.
12:34At hindi malayong mangyari
12:36na lalo pong
12:38maging maalab
12:39yung malaking
12:40base of support po nila.
12:42And how is,
12:43and I don't know,
12:45huwag naman sana
12:45mag-snowball itong
12:47protesta
12:48in support of the Dutertes.
12:52Speaking of
12:53maximum tolerance,
12:54paano po
12:54kahaharapin ito
12:55ng ating pamalaan
12:57kapag ito po
12:57ay ano,
12:58mag-snowball
13:00at lalong mag-alab
13:02at lumaki po
13:03yung mga protesta?
13:07Ang nakasalalay naman
13:08ng maximum tolerance
13:09doon sa, again,
13:10freedom of expression,
13:11freedom of assembly,
13:12pero kung may mga paglabag na,
13:14nagkaroon na ng kaguluhan
13:15at may mga batas
13:16nang nababviolate
13:18in the course of
13:19expressing
13:21yung kanilang
13:22mga sentimiento,
13:24eh,
13:24may hangganan din
13:25yung maximum tolerance.
13:26Siyempre,
13:26dahil papangalagaan din
13:27ng mga security forces,
13:29yung mga mapipirwisyo
13:31ng mga kababaan din natin
13:33o kung hindi man,
13:34yung estado mismo.
13:35So,
13:36merong
13:36balansyado
13:37pero ang talagang
13:41prevailing
13:41na standard procedure
13:43is exercise
13:44maximum tolerance.
13:45Mas yun ng araw pa,
13:46ganyan talaga yung
13:47pinibigyan talaga
13:49mag-express.
13:50Huwag lang makakapirwisyo
13:51na halimbawa,
13:53nagkaroon ng chaos,
13:54nagkaroon ng anarchy,
13:55at nakasalalay
13:56ng siguridad ng masa
13:57o siguridad ng mga tao
13:58sa palipaligid,
13:59eh,
14:00ibang usapan na ganyan.
14:01So,
14:02Senator Pink,
14:03bad timing ho ba
14:04itong nangyayari rin po
14:05dahil eleksyon?
14:06Ito ho ba
14:07ay nakikita rin nyo
14:09makakasama,
14:10lalo na po
14:11sa administration
14:12na kandidato
14:13which you belong to?
14:15Would this have been better
14:16if it happened
14:17non-election,
14:18non-campaign period?
14:20or do you think
14:22naman
14:22this is going to be
14:25kumbaga
14:25mas makakabuti po
14:26para sa
14:27administration?
14:30Sa mga feedback
14:31na natatanggap namin
14:32galing sa mga
14:33especially sa mga
14:34local officials,
14:35especially doon sa
14:36parte ng Mindanao
14:38at some parts of
14:39Divisayas,
14:40medyo may
14:41effecto daw
14:42sa mga
14:43administration candidates.
14:44May backlash
14:45So yun ang
14:46natatanggap namin
14:47feedback.
14:48Hindi pa namin
14:49ito na
14:49validate sa ground
14:50pero base doon
14:52sa mga
14:53nakakausap namin
14:54mga governors,
14:55mga mayors,
14:56lalo na sa mga
14:57lugar at saka
14:58yung aming mismong
14:58mga local leaders,
15:00mga supporters
15:01namin.
15:02Ang advice nga nila
15:04kung pwede
15:05huwag na mag-express
15:06ng opinion
15:07pero alam mo naman
15:08mahirap naman
15:08para sa amin
15:09tulad kayo
15:10tinatanong nyo ako
15:11alam nga naman
15:11puro na
15:12komento maririndig nyo
15:13sa akin.
15:14Unang-unang
15:14hindi naman talaga
15:15ako gano'n
15:16na hanggang
15:17abot ng aking
15:18kakayahan
15:19kung kaya ko
15:20i-express yung
15:20aking opinion
15:21i-express ko.
15:22So yun,
15:24meron talaga
15:24epekto
15:26kung yun ang
15:27pag-uusapan.
15:31The media
15:32carried yung
15:33story
15:35na yung
15:36stand po
15:36ng pamalaan
15:37na
15:38dito sa
15:39tungkol po
15:39sa pag-aresto
15:41po kay
15:41former president
15:42na
15:42bagamat
15:43at oo,
15:44hindi na
15:44sinabi nila
15:45wala nang
15:46ano,
15:46hindi natin
15:46kinikilala yung
15:47jurisdiction ng
15:48ICC
15:48pero dahil
15:49Interpol
15:50ang humingi
15:51ng tulong
15:52sa atin
15:52para ipatupad
15:53po yung
15:53naturang
15:54warrant
15:54ay kailangan
15:55na obligado
15:56tayong
15:56tumulong
15:57dahil
15:57committed
15:58tayo
15:58as member
15:59of the
15:59International
16:00Police
16:00Organization
16:01criminal
16:02police
16:02organization
16:03pero
16:03ngayon
16:04yung
16:04banner
16:04story
16:05ng
16:05Manila
16:05Times
16:05hindi ko
16:06alam
16:06kung
16:06nakita
16:06niyo
16:07Senator
16:07Ping
16:08na
16:08merong
16:09lumalabas
16:10daw
16:10binunyag
16:11na yung
16:11mga
16:12according to
16:12the documents
16:13of the
16:13International
16:14Criminal
16:14Court
16:15may prior
16:15knowledge
16:16daw
16:16ang ating
16:17pamalaan
16:18tungkol
16:18sa
16:18pag-aresto
16:19po
16:19kay dating
16:20Pangulong
16:21Rodrigo
16:22Duterte
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