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04:36Cảm ơn.
04:37Cảm ơn.
04:39Cảm ơn.
04:39Cảm ơn.
04:40Oh!
04:41Rich was a trip.
04:43The life of the party, at least early in his career.
04:46Then as the years went on, he became a little crazy.
04:51Crazy how?
04:52He was deep into conspiracy theories.
04:55He had a real thing for cults and cabals.
04:58To be fair, Los Angeles does have a pretty dark history.
05:01But Rich took it to the next level.
05:03And his training videos got more and more intense because of it.
05:06We finally got around to updating the videos this last year.
05:08But that caused quite a controversy with some of the older officers.
05:12They said we were being insensitive.
05:15Why would updating training videos be insensitive?
05:17Even three years on, a lot of his friends were still mourning his death.
05:21And saw the videos as a way to keep his memory alive.
05:24I'm sorry, I thought Rich died six months ago?
05:26Yeah, he did.
05:28I'm talking about the first time.
05:29Divers are searching for any signs of retired Los Angeles police officer Richard Rowley after a sailing trip gone wrong.
05:38Coast Guard responded to a distress call this morning from Rowley's wife, who says the 55-year-old fell overboard
05:44after the sailboat he was captaining was struck by a rogue wave.
05:49Any time someone disappears from a boating trip, it automatically sets off alarm bells.
05:53Why is that?
05:54It's just an ideal place to cover up crime, throw a body overboard, weigh it down.
05:58The likelihood of us recovering it before it becomes fish food is low.
06:02And the circumstances were suspicious.
06:05By all accounts, Rich was a skilled sailor.
06:07It was a calm day, and the only witness to his demise was Darla Phillips, his on-again, off-again
06:13girlfriend who he married five days prior.
06:15So you suspected foul play?
06:19Not necessarily, but we couldn't rule it out.
06:21Why wasn't Rich wearing a light vest?
06:23He never did.
06:24He was a strong swimmer.
06:26He must have hit his head when he fell.
06:29Why didn't you jump in after him?
06:30I'm scared of dark water.
06:32Dark water?
06:33Water you can't see the bottom of.
06:36Just blackness.
06:37With God knows what lurking below.
06:40You stand to inherit Rich's entire police pension.
06:42That's quite a bit of money.
06:44How dare you?
06:45I just watched the love of my life die in front of me.
06:50We don't know that for sure yet.
06:52They haven't found his body.
06:54Unless you know more that you're not telling us.
06:59Go to hell!
07:00This interview is over.
07:01Did it ever occur to you that Rich might still be alive?
07:04As we said, we couldn't rule anything out.
07:06But there was no evidence that he'd faked his death.
07:09Until he turned up dead again.
07:11Needless to say, we had a few more questions for Darla.
07:14Helping someone fake their death isn't a crime.
07:16I checked.
07:17You're right, but profiting off of that death,
07:19collecting Rich's pension and his life insurance, it's fraud.
07:23Not to mention the resources that were wasted trying to recover his body.
07:27He could be facing some serious charges.
07:29So, tell us.
07:31Why did Rich want to fake his death?
07:35After Rich retired, he kind of fell apart.
07:39His drinking got worse.
07:41And his paranoia...
07:43He was always a little intense.
07:45But it started to get scary.
07:47He covered all his windows with newspapers.
07:50He started writing down the license plates of passing cars.
07:55What was he so afraid of?
07:56He said there was this group.
07:59Like a secret society of dangerous and powerful people.
08:04He'd been onto them for years.
08:06And he said that they found out about him.
08:08That he was in danger because of it.
08:10It was too much for me.
08:12So I broke up with him.
08:14And then a year later, he showed up on my doorstep.
08:17And asked me to help him fake his death.
08:21In return for his pension.
08:23I needed the money.
08:24So, we got married.
08:26And we did the deed.
08:28And I never saw him again.
08:29So you have no idea why there was a coffin in his garage?
08:33We'll probably hold this piece of the puzzle until the end of the first act.
08:37You know, hit the audience with a twist when it's dramatically expedient.
08:39Yeah.
08:40Seems manipulative.
08:41All good storytelling is.
08:42Look, just tell us about finding the coffin.
08:45Uh, so once I arrived and we secured the crime scene,
08:49we cleared the rest of the house and then we moved on to the garage.
08:56Oh.
08:57Oh.
08:58You don't think there's...
08:59That there's a body in there?
09:00I absolutely do.
09:02Okay, are we gonna open it?
09:04Because I don't want to open it.
09:06What do you think?
09:07I mean, it's clearly been dug up.
09:10Given the state of the coffin, it's clearly been underground for a few years.
09:13If there is a body in there, it's likely long dead.
09:17Unless...
09:17Unless what?
09:19Unless he put a fresh victim in an old coffin.
09:25Oh, okay.
09:26Got it.
09:28Oh.
09:29Oh, God.
09:35The body belonged to a 54-year-old truck driver named Marcus Ford, who was the victim of an unsolved
09:42homicide back in 2020.
09:44How was he killed?
09:45Uh, he was stabbed in the heart.
09:47Just like Rich.
09:49Wait.
09:50Rich murdered Marcus Ford.
09:52Did I just solve the case?
09:53Uh, no.
09:54We were able to alibi Rich out.
09:57He was hospitalized with double pneumonia the day Marcus died.
10:00Medical records say he was so weak that, uh, he could barely get out of bed.
10:04Or that's what he wanted you to think.
10:05Moving on.
10:06Digging up a body is no easy task.
10:08Why would Rich go to all that trouble?
10:10Initially, we thought it was simply the demented act of a clearly disturbed mind.
10:15And in some ways, it was.
10:17But then, we found the tattoo.
10:20At first, it was a little bit difficult to make out exactly what it was.
10:23A half a decade of decomp does a number on the skin.
10:27But, when we look back at the case file, there was a photo of it taken during the original autopsy.
10:32That's actually kind of sick.
10:33I wonder if there's a way to track down the artist.
10:35I've been meaning to start the sleeve on my other arm.
10:38Like, uh...
10:38To my collaborator's point, lots of people have tattoos.
10:41What was it about this one that jumped out at you?
10:44Well, something about it was familiar to both of us.
10:48But we couldn't place it.
10:49So, we started asking around, and the answer couldn't come from a more unlikely place.
10:56I watched the Rich Rally training videos more than any person alive.
11:00So, I recognized the symbol immediately.
11:04Sometimes, citizens panic when they can't get in touch with their friends or loved ones.
11:08That's why we always advise the public to wait 24 hours before reporting someone missing.
11:14Well, most missing person reports stem from a lapse in communication.
11:18Every once in a while, you'll encounter a true, workable case.
11:22Officer, help! My sister is missing!
11:25When's the last time you saw her?
11:26Last night at the bar. Her boyfriend said she never made it home.
11:30You always want to take a report like this one? Seriously.
11:34So, Rich did the same symbol in his training videos that was tattooed on the body of a murder victim.
11:39What did you think that meant?
11:42Uh, I don't know.
11:43I can't believe I'm saying this, but Smitty was right.
11:46In Lesson 187, the tattoo symbol was hidden in the background.
11:50Although, the instructions to wait 24 hours before reporting a missing person are wildly outdated.
11:55Anyways, it got me thinking. What if Rich put messages in other videos?
12:00What kind of messages?
12:02I'm not totally sure yet. I binged every single Rich training video I could get my hands on.
12:06Yeah, it's been a fun few nights.
12:07And I did find a few other possible leads, but there's a problem.
12:11The department's archive is incomplete, and without all of the videos, I can't be sure that I'm not missing a
12:15vital piece of information.
12:16So, what happened to the missing videos?
12:18So, when the training topics and the videos become outdated because of new laws or protocols, the department has to
12:25make new ones.
12:25And obsolete videos are supposed to be digitized and archived for historical record.
12:31But Rich is... were just gone.
12:34Gone is then destroyed?
12:35Like a cover-up?
12:36No one's saying that. Most likely it was a human error.
12:40You know, someone got lazy, didn't archive them.
12:43I tried reaching out to the production company that made the videos to see if they had any copies left.
12:48Bad news is, they went out of business a few years back and auctioned off all their equipment.
12:53What's the good news?
12:54Well, I managed to track down the auction logs, and I actually know the person who purchased the studio's old
13:01hard drives.
13:02Careful, I'm very ticklish. Like the Pillsbury Doughboy.
13:06Same. I hear it's, um, a sign of intelligence.
13:09Is that a fact?
13:10Then I am smart as the dickens.
13:13So, you purchased hard drives from Speak Now Studios?
13:16Yeah, Dropout was still in its infancy. I was building the company from the ground up.
13:20We had to be smart about how we were spending our money. We bought a huge amount of equipment second
13:25-hand.
13:26Hard drives, cameras, wigs.
13:28What? Wait. You bought second-hand wigs?
13:30Give them a little shake before we put them on.
13:32That's awesome. Do you still have that wig connect? Because I'd love a referral my guy is.
13:38Back on track. The hard drives you bought contain police training videos. Did you happen to watch any of them?
13:42Of course. Rich Rowley, right? We were obsessed with those videos. We probably watched them like a dozen times.
13:49I'm Rich Rowley, and this is Survive the Streets.
13:53That's great.
13:54Vic can do the best impression.
13:55Do you think you'd be able to make copies for us?
13:58I totally would, but I can't because we wiped all of those hard drives to use as servers months ago.
14:04Sorry, I couldn't be of more help. You'll still feature this interview, right?
14:10Yeah, probably not.
14:11Wait, you said you and the Dropout crew watched the video like dozens of times, right?
14:16Yes, sometimes on an edible. Mostly sober.
14:19I have an idea.
14:20Okay, so then you'd be like, don't forget to check the closet, you'll die. So, I don't know.
14:23I think it's a little bit more like, like, if you forget to check the closet, Freddie, Jason, and Chucky
14:28will rip off your scrud.
14:29Okay, I think there's less foot stuff. I feel like he's like, and then your crazy met the ex-girlfriend
14:35who's been hiding in the hallway closet will chainsaw your face when you get home because you forgot to clear
14:40the room!
14:41Clear the room!
14:41Clear the room!
14:42Check the room!
14:43I think he was so close to pulling out a gun.
14:45I'm Rich!
14:45What are you guys doing?
14:46That's a great question.
14:47They're, uh, they're reenacting the police training videos since you guys wiped them off your hard drive.
14:50Oh, the Rich Rowley ones! Those are so funny.
14:53I actually stole one of the hard drives so I could watch it when I'm in the tub.
14:56Can you talk about your tools, man?
14:57A little self-care, you know, trying to relax a little more.
15:00It's not working.
15:01Can we have it?
15:01If you want to borrow it, I could, you know.
15:03No, I think this is actually working great.
15:06Okay.
15:06We'll keep this up.
15:07We're riffing.
15:08Clearing the room!
15:09Help us.
15:09Okay, I finally finished watching all of the Rich training videos and there is a lot.
15:14Um, take lesson 277.
15:20My Azaleas!
15:22A cold case where victim Azalea Robinson was found stabbed near a ski resort.
15:27You're kidding.
15:28No.
15:29And in lesson 290, Rich is holding a folder with a post-it note on the back with a brown
15:33star drawn on it.
15:35I'm lost.
15:35Right, so I looked up the cold cases to see if there were any victims with names like Star or
15:41Stella and there was one hit, Stella Brown, also found stabbed in the chest.
15:46In all, Lucy found clues pointing to seven different cold cases.
15:51But why was Rich hiding the names of murder victims in police training videos?
15:55Based on what we could piece together, he believed he had stumbled upon a conspiracy.
15:58A series of connected murders committed by person or persons unknown.
16:02If that were the case, why not just report his suspicion?
16:05He was a cop for 30 years.
16:07Well, Rich had a bit of a reputation within the department for, shall we say, magical thinking.
16:14So, unfortunately, his theory was dismissed out of hand.
16:18But why did he think the murders were connected?
16:19Well, for starters, they were all stabbed in the chest.
16:22But more importantly, each victim was found with a penny either in or on their person.
16:26What do you mean in?
16:27One had a penny in her stomach.
16:29Another had one shoved up his nose.
16:32Stella Brown lucked out. Hers was just clasped in her hand.
16:35And when we reexamined Marcus Ford's corpse, the Emmy found one inserted into the heel of his left foot.
16:42Why?
16:42Did we mention that they were all minted in 1930?
16:45Okay.
16:46Well, I just got goosebumps.
16:47Rich's autopsy also revealed that he had swallowed close to 50 pennies before he died.
16:52Gross.
16:52So, at this point, was your theory...
16:54I actually have no idea what the theory would have been.
16:56Yeah, well, I would tell you, but we were way off the mark.
16:59Which we were about to discover when we got access to his cloud account.
17:04Okay.
17:06I may have finally found it.
17:09I am so close to getting some real answers.
17:14See that?
17:27Oh, my God.
17:31Oh, my God.
17:34All right, let's go!
17:35Oh, my God! No! No!
17:40A guy pretending to be dead, breaking into a secure military facility doesn't seem like the best idea.
17:47No, he wasn't just breaking into any military facility.
17:50It was Area 67.
17:52What does that mean?
17:53That's where the government keeps the aliens.
18:02So, Rich broke into a secret government base on the hunt for a massive conspiracy, then stabbed himself in the
18:08chest?
18:08I mean, at that point, it's obvious what happened.
18:10Is it?
18:10Come on.
18:11Remember what Rich said right before he died?
18:14I can't die!
18:15It's inside of me!
18:16It won't let me die!
18:18Yeah, I'm not following.
18:19Rich was exposed to an alien parasite.
18:23It was inside him.
18:25Were you familiar with Area 67?
18:27I'd heard of it.
18:28Yeah.
18:29There's this AM radio station I used to listen to back in Foxburg.
18:33Kept me awake when I was working late.
18:35The host was obsessed with UFOs.
18:38Val's Velvet Bunker?
18:39That's the one.
18:40He was a little bit out there, but always entertaining.
18:44Area 51 is theater.
18:47Do you believe, do you really believe the most secretive military installation in the world would let itself become a
18:55tourist attraction?
18:56No, no, no, no.
18:57Area 51 is the distraction.
19:00Area 67 is the real deal.
19:03You know why California has all those earthquakes?
19:05It's not San Andreas fault, my friends.
19:08It's the sonic resonance from Area 67's underground testing chambers.
19:13Did you believe in his theories?
19:15No, no.
19:16Uh, like I said, just entertainment.
19:18Let's hear from a caller.
19:19Hi, name's John, long time listener, fourth time caller.
19:22Hey, John from Foxburg.
19:24Welcome back.
19:25What have you got for us tonight?
19:26I swear to God, I just saw a UFO.
19:31John is such a common name.
19:34I'm open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life.
19:37You are?
19:37Yeah.
19:38I mean, it's a big universe.
19:39Anything could be out there.
19:40I don't know.
19:41People who claim to have seen aliens tend to be a little off.
19:45You were friends with the corpse, right?
19:46Well, yeah, we were more than friends, but fair enough.
19:48Okay.
19:50Legally, is it necrophilia if she only did over the clothes stuff?
19:53That's a great question.
19:54Oh, I definitely believe.
19:56In fact, I've been abducted by aliens.
20:00Really?
20:00Multiple times.
20:02Apparently, I'm a fascinating subject.
20:05I remember the last time Smitty was abducted.
20:09Turns out he partied too hard in Vegas and woke up in Wisconsin.
20:12Missing time.
20:14One of the hallmarks of alien abductions.
20:17Had been stricken.
20:18Point is, the government had little gray men in their secret labs for decades.
20:24What are they doing with them?
20:25They're implanting the aliens in unsuspecting hosts and taking over their bodies.
20:30You just never know who might be one of them.
20:35Some people in the station believed Rich stabbed himself to kill an alien parasite.
20:41But I wouldn't say that was a dominant theory.
20:43It wasn't long before we figured out Rich believed something darker.
20:47And it was connected to the seven murders.
20:50Then why did Rich break into the army base?
20:52Yes, I remember the incident.
20:54Rich Rowley cut through a fence.
20:56He trespassed on government property.
20:58He was promptly apprehended and sent on his way.
21:01Do you have any idea what Rich was looking for?
21:03As it turns out, he was looking for me.
21:06But not because of any alleged aliens.
21:09So why did he come?
21:13This part is a little bit embarrassing.
21:17Before I found my calling in the military, I thought that I wanted to be an actor.
21:22And, uh, I was in a few DTV movies.
21:25What's DTV?
21:26You're so young.
21:28Uh, direct to video.
21:29They made all these super cheap movies back in the 80s and 90s.
21:33You make them as cheaply as possible and then hope that someone was drawn in enough by the cover art
21:37to rent them.
21:39A guy can't have a side gig?
21:41Totally. How did you get into acting?
21:43Some director scouted me when I pulled him over.
21:46He said I had a bitchin' bod.
21:49Well, he wasn't wrong.
21:50But I gave it up because the people of this city needed a savior.
21:55Yeah, you are the model of public service.
21:58Right?
21:59Anyway, Rich became interested in this terrible B movie that I was in.
22:04and I played a monk.
22:05It was called 300 Days of Hell.
22:12Terrible B movie, that's what he called it?
22:14300 Days of Hell is the scariest film of the 1990s.
22:17Really? The Ring, Scream, Blair Witch Project?
22:20Which one of us executive produced a horror movie?
22:22Trust me, T-H-D-O-H is true nightmare fuel.
22:26It's not that scary.
22:28She made me watch at the beginning of our relationship.
22:31When he was still trying to impress me.
22:34You wanna watch it again tonight?
22:36I would.
22:38Totally.
22:39I do have plans, though.
22:42Yeah, I'm not watching that crap.
22:44Even if it is for a case.
22:45I-I see enough horror on the job.
22:47That being said,
22:49300 Days of Hell was our first real window
22:52into the rabbit hole that Rich had gone down.
22:54A rabbit hole filled with demons.
22:55Or rather, a demon.
22:58So Rich believed a demon had killed all those people?
23:00No, the killers were definitely human.
23:02Killers, plural?
23:03Yeah, there was different trace DNA on all the bodies.
23:06All from different subjects.
23:07And none of them were in the system.
23:09Meaning?
23:10The murders were committed by a group of people
23:12with shared beliefs.
23:14A murder cult.
23:15The cult believed a demon named Malifus
23:17had been possessing people all across the city,
23:20jumping from host to host.
23:21And it was up to them to stop it.
23:31The legend of Malifus is centuries old.
23:34The first mention we see of him is 1433's
23:38lesser grimoire of Solomon by Slovenian inquisitor
23:41Terentius Bruma.
23:43A reference text of demons and their attributes.
23:48Gnarly.
23:48Right?
23:50He's also known as the deceiver, the infestor,
23:53and demon of 300 days.
23:55Why?
23:55Once summoned to Earth, Malifus won't rest
23:57until he finds a human host.
23:59After possession begins, he incubates 300 days.
24:04What happens after 300 days?
24:06He reaches full strength and his power becomes uncontainable.
24:11Uh-oh.
24:14Um, if Malifus was summoned to Earth, how would one stop him?
24:18Bruma suggests killing the host might slow Malifus down,
24:21forcing him to regenerate before he can find a new host.
24:25A process that also can be slowed by the use of copper.
24:30It was the pennies.
24:32The pennies.
24:32It all came back to the pennies.
24:34Before 1984, U.S. pennies were 95% copper.
24:38So the copper in the pennies was meant to bind the demon,
24:40but what about the 1930 part?
24:42Uh, are you familiar with numerology?
24:46Some ancient peoples, and Taylor Swift,
24:49believed there was a mystical connection
24:52between letters and numbers.
24:55Using the Chaldean method,
24:56the name Malifus becomes a digit 1930.
24:59So you're saying...
25:00We had a theory.
25:01Whoever killed those people believed
25:04the victims were possessed by Malifus.
25:06They had to reach Malifus' host
25:09before he reached his true form.
25:11A 1930 penny was the perfect tool.
25:13Yeah, Rich's talk of it's inside me,
25:16it won't let me die,
25:17he thought he was infested by this demon too,
25:19and that's why he killed himself.
25:22Wait, I thought Rich didn't believe in Malifus.
25:24Isn't that why he was trying to stop the cult?
25:26Yes, but I mean, years of obsession and paranoia
25:29can do a number on a person's psyche.
25:31I mean, it seems as though in the end,
25:32Rich could no longer distinguish fantasy from reality.
25:35And you got this theory from Rich's files?
25:36Well, I mean, we actually got it from Lopez.
25:39And they say watching old horror movies
25:42isn't a good use of time.
25:44I never said that.
25:53Are we safe, brother?
25:55Is Malifus banished?
25:57His sigil is drawn.
25:59The right is spoken.
26:00We have sealed his last human vessel with copper.
26:11Heaven forgive us.
26:13Indeed.
26:15For hell will not.
26:19Midnight.
26:20The 300th day.
26:23Our task was done none too soon.
26:53Yeah, that was me.
26:57Do you guys want a glass?
26:58Oh, you got anything stronger?
27:01Fine, I'll just take a glass.
27:04Okay, I'll just, I'll have nothing, actually.
27:06No fun for me.
27:08Yeah, that was my first big movie role.
27:12Well, my only one, really.
27:15Rich was so excited when I told him I booked it.
27:18He helped me run lines.
27:20Did Rich buy into the Malifus mythology?
27:22No.
27:23Weirdly, given all the conspiracies that Rich believed in,
27:26He was a total atheist.
27:28But I wouldn't have blamed him after everything that happened on that shoot.
27:32Like what?
27:35Before production wrapped, the DP was paralyzed driving to set.
27:39A stunt person had his leg amputated.
27:41There were divorces, bankruptcies, careers ended.
27:44One of the actors even died in his hotel room.
27:49People say the production was cursed.
27:51What about you? What do you believe?
27:53I believe the real curse was the director.
27:57He was a reckless maniac that didn't know how to run a set.
28:01Cuts! Cuts!
28:03Arthur, Arthur!
28:05Your strangulation, it has to be real.
28:09I want to feel the life draining from him.
28:11You, you, you cannot move from your position, not even an inch.
28:16Guys, this ritual is extremely specific.
28:21Okay? Let's go again.
28:23Okay. I thought I was choking you pretty well. I'm sorry.
28:26Okay? I'm going to choke you a little harder. Ready?
28:28Douglas was real touchy about the religious stuff.
28:31I guess he had grown up in some sort of commune.
28:33And this was all based on stories he was told growing up.
28:36Okay, but what I heard is that they accidentally summoned Malifus for real.
28:40The director found some ancient tome and inserted the incantation and rituals verbatim.
28:46Ooh, I love that.
28:47And that's what got me thinking about the penny killings.
28:50We found the first victim just a little under 300 days after the summoning ritual was filmed.
28:55We knew Rich was aware of the Malifus legends. It was only natural to link them.
28:59So Rich thought that penny victims were killed by people trying to stop Malifus.
29:03Was he able to identify any of these killers?
29:05We know he tried.
29:08Hi.
29:09Hey, how are you? Jared.
29:10Hello.
29:13It's a pleasure to meet you, gentlemen.
29:15Pleasure to meet you, too.
29:16Why don't you tell us about yourselves?
29:17Yeah, we co-starred on a TV show together for 15 seasons called Supernatural.
29:26Yeah, we played Sam and Dean Winchester, brothers that, you know, tracked and fought supernatural beings.
29:34Like K-pop demon hunters.
29:36No, no, not like that.
29:37I mean, you're kind of like that.
29:40Okay. Can you tell us about your encounter with Rich Rowley?
29:44Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rich Rowley. He came to a fan event we did last year at MonsterCon.
29:51Yeah, you know, most people show up and they just want the autograph or photo. But Rich was a different
29:59beast altogether.
30:00Yeah, yeah. He was super fixated on this one particular episode where we fought a demon.
30:06Malifus.
30:07Yeah, that one. Anyway, he seemed to think we, like, knew more about it than we were saying.
30:15More about what?
30:16Demon hunting. He kept, like, asking these super pointed questions like he was, I don't know, testing us or something.
30:24Did you have an answer?
30:26No. No, I mean, we didn't come up with these stories. You know, we just did what the writers wrote.
30:31It's called acting. There's no actual demon hunters in real life.
30:35Exactly.
30:36Uh, that's not exactly true. There is at least one. And it actually connected to the movie.
30:44We heard the director brought a priest named Father Simon McCabe to bless the set every day before filming.
30:49Well, it was either that or the whole crew was going to walk.
30:52Does that name mean anything to you?
30:56About 15 years ago, Lopez and I had just finished our rookie years.
30:59We responded to, uh, call it a house of a priest doing an exorcism with a 16-year-old girl.
31:04It had been going on for three days.
31:08Please!
31:11Help her! Please!
31:15Help her! Please!
31:16Please!
31:20Get away from her!
31:24Father, forgive me.
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36:42Hey, hello, Douglas Roberts.
36:44We're here to question you about murders and demons.
36:47That should get his attention.
36:51Oh, I am just an intern.
36:58So, clearly we're not deceased, which means...
37:01We saved you from certain deaths?
37:03I'm not sure how certain it was, babe.
37:05Oh, it felt pretty certain to me.
37:07Please don't kill us.
37:07We will join your cult.
37:09Is there a membership fee or a secret handshake?
37:10I love a secret handshake.
37:12Ignore her.
37:13She's not right in the head.
37:14In fact, she has short-term memory issues.
37:15So if you let her go now, she won't remember any of this.
37:17Just shut up.
37:18No one's going anywhere.
37:19I mean, technically we're all going somewhere.
37:26All right, let him go.
37:27Get your hands up.
37:28Up against the jeep now.
37:30Let's go.
37:38Thanks for trying to save me, even though I'm the one who put us in danger.
37:42No problem.
37:44I was about to do the same thing, but you just beat me to it.
37:48I can be noble, too.
37:49No doubt.
37:50Yeah.
37:51I get very claustrophobic.
37:52Can I just point out how claustrophobic I get, please?
37:54So when did you and Douglas meet?
37:57In the movie.
37:58He was, you know, so commanding and driven and everything I wasn't.
38:03When did he start talking about killing the demon?
38:06It was at least a year after that.
38:08He would call me late at night and talk about the demon and how scared he was for the world.
38:14And eventually it started to make sense.
38:17And he told you that someone was possessed?
38:20Correct.
38:21Her name was Cynthia.
38:24She cried when I tied her up.
38:26And she kept saying that she was not a demon.
38:29She begged me to believe her.
38:31And at that point he was very deep in my head.
38:39And then tonight, you know, all the lies he was spewing at the end,
38:43it was like somebody turned on the light switch.
38:45I could just see him for who he was.
38:47So pathetic.
38:52We'll need you to write up a detailed confession.
38:59I would like to make a deal.
39:03We have already located your co-conspirators.
39:05You don't really have anything to offer.
39:09You don't want to know what an alien spaceship looks like?
39:13I am all that stands between the world and damnation.
39:18So all of the people that you had targeted, they had to die for the greater good?
39:24Yes.
39:25And my heart breaks for each of them.
39:28But I will not let innocence fall to perdition.
39:31Okay, have you had your fill of BS?
39:34God, yes.
39:35Okay, me too.
39:35So, uh, first victim.
39:39Cynthia Green.
39:40You dated for two years before she cheated on you.
39:42Marcus Ford.
39:43He worked as a teamster on your movie, then later sued you for non-payment.
39:48Pamela Jones wrote a scathing review of your movie.
39:52Really?
39:53I had no idea.
39:54All seven victims were people who wronged you in some way.
39:58You don't even believe in the demon.
40:00You just used it as a tool to get people with weak minds to do your dirty work for you.
40:07Exactly.
40:08I was the director.
40:09I think you'll find I never laid a finger on any of the victims.
40:14And I think you will find that Manson died in prison.
40:20All right, uh, anything else?
40:23No, I think we got everything.
40:25Okay.
40:27That was a crazy one, huh?
40:28Tell me about it.
40:29And look, thanks so much for all of your time and for saving our lives.
40:33Anything for my favorite documentarian?
40:35Actually, the only documentarian I know.
40:36Not true.
40:37I'm a documentarian, too.
40:38Of course, yes.
40:39Oh, speaking of, how did this whole, uh, working together thing go?
40:44Is this the start of a beautiful friendship?
40:46I don't know.
40:47I mean, we have very different styles and instincts and, well, basically everything.
40:52But I'd be able to do another collaboration.
40:57Oh, um, it's just I, uh, I kind of signed an exclusive three-film deal with Hulu.
41:04What?
41:04Yeah, I, um, I sent them a sizzle reel of this project.
41:07Just the me parts.
41:08And, uh, they freaked.
41:09Said I'm going to be the new face of true crime.
41:12Their words.
41:13Wow.
41:13I mean, you'd probably be able to bring him along, though, right?
41:16Oh, totally.
41:18Totally.
41:21I gotta go.
41:22But, uh, thanks again.
41:24Hello?
41:25No, I said Toronto and then camp.
41:29She'll probably call you.
41:32Oh, yeah.
41:33Go.
41:34Yes.
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41:58It goes away with my eyes.
41:58Go.
41:59Go.
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