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00:00deeper but that's just fine i was looking up i guess this would have been tuesday night
00:06during or after adp chasing uh the mvp odds because we were talking about the chargers
00:14and remember sam monson voted for justin herbert last year for the mvp and i respect him a great
00:20deal i think you do too um the guys on my other show just make fun of it constantly that
00:26herbert
00:27got the vote for the mvp and this year i feel like he might be a great bet but he
00:33is the third
00:34favorite he's no he's no dark you're not he's no dark horse no value there yeah right alan burrow
00:42herbert is the list i saw let's bring sal in see what he thinks about that i mean i'm not
00:48sure if
00:48you want to look at this from a betting standpoint or not sal but from that standpoint it's not great
00:53value on a guy that's barely even i mean it was considered pretty strange that he got even one
00:59vote ever in his career that was last year but um i kind of like the idea of herbert how
01:04about uh how
01:05would you size up mvp yeah i i've seen and i'm looking at alan jackson herbert then burrow okay in
01:12my homes i don't know yeah so i don't know different you saw something different houses different stuff
01:17yeah yeah but that's that's i think the consensus from what i've seen lately and i think josh allen
01:23has just as good of a look at as anybody so does lamar jackson um i think those would be
01:27your
01:28you know probably top two guys i think mahomes normally would be there obviously but we just
01:32don't know about the injury if we knew mahomes was healthy it would be different if we know mahomes
01:37is healthy two weeks into the preseason he probably jumps into that group i would say i think that's
01:43the only thing holding him back right now burrow has a chance to obviously put up monster numbers
01:48at any point and that could always fluctuate a lot of that is team success we don't know the thing
01:53about alan is team success they've had it they are also the bills it's funny you say this matt bovay
01:59and i just did a podcast today and we talked about and i asked him about you know do you
02:04think that
02:04the bills being the co-favorites of the you know afc to to win the afc is justified right now
02:11because they are and that ties into allen if the bills do have the kind of season they normally
02:16have had allen's going to be right there again you're right the jackson is consensus number two
02:20i flipped them fan duel goes allen jackson may stafford burrow herbert so her that might be the
02:31best you can do that's where it may be where you want to go shopping but yeah may is the
02:34shortest of
02:35any site on that site i mean he really could have won last year he was barely second
02:40and he arguably should have uh based on some of the numbers so um yeah interesting i just feel
02:46like i i listen i'm gullible right i always admit it i it's the chargers i'm doing it again right
02:53it's not just you i think collectively i feel like i don't want to even just say we fall for
02:59we all
03:00have probably taken a turn falling for it and one of these times right it's gonna be correct i don't
03:08die first i don't know chargers jets browns i like the conversation again it's so funny you're
03:14talking about this we just had this conversation today in the pod and i'm gonna ask you guys
03:17something i asked matt bobe which is like do you have you might already know this by looking at it
03:22you probably looked at it in some capacity do you have an idea of where joe brady ranks for coach
03:27of
03:27the year odds oh now that is good i don't have the slightest idea it would be pretty high
03:33right it would be pretty high he's a first year head coach first year head coach and offense
03:40like he he'll get credit he'll get more credit for allen's year if allen has a big year than
03:45mcdermott ever did that's exactly the point that i made to matt like he has joe brady has a better
03:53look at coach of the year than sean mcdermott really ever had because mcdermott has had was
03:56you know sustained success kind of there's a floor we know that brady comes in like well i don't know
04:03oh my god and if he has a really great year even if he has the same year sean mcdermott
04:08has had he
04:09will have more of a chance i think to win coach of the year than mcdermott had now that said
04:15he is
04:15generally listed in the top five i've seen anywhere from three to five harbaugh is usually number one
04:21jesse minter is usually number two jim harbaugh right john harbaugh john harbaugh is number one
04:27yes with the giants yes wow well i mean that i guess you can you can figure that out that'd
04:34be a
04:34big comeback anyway so harbaugh jesse minter and then it's brady robert salat and kellen moore kind
04:41of in a grouping the competition comes down to the coach of the ravens and the ex-coach of the
04:46ravens
04:46right i don't know there you go i am not optimistic for the giants i don't think john harbaugh is
04:53a great
04:53idea i think he's kind of for me he works as kind of a figurehead as a symbol and that
05:00organization
05:01could use that but matt nagy is the offensive coordinator of the giants the quarterback's iffy
05:07the best receiver might be hurt the best running back might be hurt and then what am i doing then
05:13i'm
05:13throwing the ball to i mean theo johnson i just i feel like it could go i like the jets
05:19more than
05:19the giants this year it's so funny everything happened with the giants and joe shane and people
05:25wanted him out the giants fans very much you know wanted to change there and then you know harbaugh
05:30gets hired and it was very you know i think universally okay yeah that you guys got a really
05:35good coach good coach on the market but it was like diminishing shane like okay his role is totally
05:40diminished he's no longer the gm harbaugh is kind of running the show there and then joe shane gets a
05:44two-year contract extension or multi-year contract extension i should say um so like they went out
05:49and said oh we're gonna we're gonna keep joe shane around for a while i think he's actually longer than
05:53two but either way it was kind of interesting how all that happened and shane was considered really to
05:59be the guy that will maybe acquiesce to you know harbaugh having more of a power and authority and maybe
06:05that's the case i don't know but for the giants to go out and do that was really interesting
06:09sal capacho on the western hotline with us here on wgr um not exactly mvp related but we have a
06:17new
06:17bet on the bet board in here sal on how often you look at the bet board oh but just
06:22came up in
06:22conversation we did reverse afc power rankings this week and i feel pretty good about cincinnati i know
06:28there's always going to be questions about their defense but you know they did make that move for
06:32dexter lawrence and i i think that's a that's a hell raiser in the middle of that defensive line
06:37it's got to lift the boats a little bit for that defense and i just think burrow with with the
06:42with
06:42the weapons just as a it's a team i would want to bet on so um i bet mike that
06:48the bangles will
06:50have a better record than houston how do you feel about what's what side of that i'm on
06:56i'd have to go and look at the schedules do we know do you have you guys look at that
06:59at all like
07:00i don't consider things like that those divisions play each other because the bills play the afc west
07:06so those divisions play each other i i like i like the bet for you but i think cincinnati to
07:11me like
07:12oh my gosh houston's defense can be amazing right it's kind of the they're the opposite teams here
07:17yeah right cincinnati has this incredible offense and a defense that like you said maybe they get a
07:23couple pieces that can really help but man what are they really looking at there houston's the other
07:28way around their defense looks amazing we all know we've seen it up close firsthand against the
07:32bills but man their offense really struggled towards the end of the year cj stroud there's
07:37there's they still have not come to a contract agreement and there's a lot of talk about what's
07:41going to happen and where that's going to go and that should tell you a lot right there of how
07:45that's
07:46kind of going down right now so i think i like your bet of cincy only because i will bet
07:50on the
07:50upside of the offense and joe burrow even if houston's defense is really good i don't know if they
07:56have quite the offense uh that they should have so i like that bet for you but it should be
08:00a good
08:01that should be a fun one now the the real big question there is you know kimborough stay healthy
08:06which has been an issue in the past and a lot of that has been because of their offensive line
08:10which
08:10actually did stabilize a bit more last year the afc north bengals would also play the nfc south i know
08:18that from the ravens so that's a pretty good draw if you get the two souths for those afc north
08:24teams
08:24that's a pretty good draw right uh zach taylor i'm looking at coach of the year again and sal brought
08:29that up zach taylor plus 4 000 very much in the middle to the bottom domiko ryan's the same plus
08:344 000 the last i don't know i could be tempted the last name on the list the highest odds
08:42in the nfl
08:42oh boy is last year's winner vrabel and it's it's it has to be partly because totally that's
08:51happened because you don't like are you betting on someone that maybe at this point people say well
08:56could something happen there he doesn't survive the season then he's got no shot right i don't know
09:01look at the the teams at the bottom are all the good teams well not all new england philadelphia
09:07denver seattle kansas city rams like these are the coaches that's we are the best coaches in the league
09:14we expect you to be good therefore your coach is disqualified from winning the coach of the year
09:19if you're one of the best coaches in the league the one thing we have to agree on is you
09:22cannot
09:22win the coach of the year this year yeah you know i get tied up with that because i do
09:29believe that a
09:30coach of the year should be the coach a coach that has done more with less it's a coach that's
09:34really
09:34done a good job like you haven't given him the greatest tools but he's done a really good job at
09:39the same time i don't think that's impossible to do with a really good team if you have a really
09:43good team it's all you can also do a really good job i mean you know it was always a
09:48something about
09:49i always would used to hear something about like how like the magic of phil jackson was that he could
09:54coach michael jordan you know and then like right like he he had to navigate through coaching the best
10:00player and some of the best teams in the world and that might be just people propping him up but
10:03i
10:03totally get it sometimes there there is something to that well for us older fellas that that was a lot
10:09of
10:09what you'd hear about marv levy over the years or maybe even more so maybe once his career was done
10:14as as the bills head coach it was like his his and i remember hearing this from the players themselves
10:20that's probably where it started because i think players started saying it like we were not an easy
10:25bunch to handle there were a lot of egos and a lot of alphas and he knew how to just
10:29get out of the way
10:31when he needed to get out of the way and when to step in and say the right thing and
10:34that there is a
10:36there's a touch to that not everybody can can master that kind of that many personalities
10:40i think the problem there though bulldog is when you're 100 right that you don't see that from the
10:45outside enough right like who who would see that in most markets or voters who are voting on it
10:50yeah it's easy to kind of say in concept and it's probably true but unless you're there every day and
10:56understanding what's happening it's probably hard for you to really recognize that i love when levy's name
11:01comes up coach head coach high school football 1951 he'll be a hunt he'll be 101 a month from
11:07tomorrow marv beautiful um back to mvp now if you don't mind this sort of roller coaster ride here
11:14we're getting our taste of sam panayotovic so to speak without having to show tomorrow talking the
11:20awards markets with sal which is fun alan as the favorite so you talked about you brought up brady
11:26sal as like a this is different if the bills have a coach that's sort of high ranking on the
11:33coach of the year odds alan at the top that's obviously well established what his ceiling looks
11:38like i wonder if like is this a couple things is the bet are the betters or the sorry the
11:47voters
11:48ready to go to him for a second time they did that with jackson and it wasn't even jackson's best
11:54year
11:54but he's still got the second mvp in his pocket and i wonder just like what kind of season it
12:00would
12:00need to be for alan it's always a quarterback it's always a quarterback of a team that wins big in
12:07the
12:07regular season that was true of the rams again that was true of stafford last year so in that respect
12:12alan is of course well positioned that's why he's um the favorite i wonder just like how it'll feel if
12:19we get close to the end this year and the the bills are the bills in contention with a half
12:23dozen
12:23other teams and mvp candidates and we're talking about alan in terms of whether he wins a second
12:28because i think the fact that he's got one probably hurts him in uh voting if it's close
12:36oh it might i mean guys have been multiple winners right throughout their careers plenty
12:41of maron rogers has won multiple mvps jackson um you said it lamar mahomes obviously superbowl's
12:47there too but so what i find interesting is alan won it in 24 right 2024 was his mvp season
12:54and that was like his worst yards passing number of yards passing since his second year in the league
13:02one two three four years of over 4 000 4200 yards he has 3 700 he has also the fewest
13:09amount of
13:09touchdown passes that he had in that the one thing that he did was the thing that people criticized him
13:15for he didn't throw interceptions well there it is and that's right and and i think that was really
13:22kind of what vaulted him in a lot of voters minds to me which was well he's not throwing interceptions
13:28even though he didn't have the huge numbers and touchdowns in yards we might be past that now where
13:35i think if josh can put together a you know 44 4500 yard season that's what gets him more than
13:42fewer interceptions because i actually believe with joe brady coaching him i'm going to predict that
13:48josh's numbers are going to spike in both the positive and negative categories well this is a
13:53touch of coach of the year because as we always say and talked about a few minutes ago coach of
13:58the
13:58year is in all sports it tends to be how much better was your team than we thought and the
14:05alan point
14:05you're making is a is a form of that well this is what we thought this is what we thought
14:10of your
14:10reputation and you did x to improve so here you go here's your here's your award they did not want
14:17to
14:17give jackson a third like that that was his best year 40 and 4 was the year alan won and
14:22they just
14:23weren't it was close but they were not going to give him a third you know i'm still sore about
14:27history and you just if you look back at history and you just reversed the 23 and 24 mvps you'd
14:34be
14:34fine and no one knew anything about how it all went down no one would have an issue with it
14:38yeah
14:38right yeah i want i i wonder like like mike just said i mean i know lamar did get a
14:44second one
14:44without having been to a super bowl but i i wonder about with the controversy that there was
14:50when alan won it because of the year lamar had whether voters would think giving alan a second one
14:55before he reaches a super bowl is just like too much you know but they have to vote before that
15:01well that's what i mean like so you're voting not knowing he's going to get there and that might hold
15:06your back he hasn't even been to a super bowl yet and i'm going to give him a second mvp
15:09you know
15:09let me find somebody else well you you do have burrow is right there herbert is almost right
15:17there guys that have been knocking around at it but just not not winning guys that especially
15:22quintessentially burrow that people think is you know literally great elite but his teams have not
15:29won enough so he can't seem to get to this thing may could have won last year right there prescott's
15:36been worthy of being in the conversation more than once so you have other names caleb williams
15:42maybe you have other names of guys that have not won it yet um that are worth considering for it
15:47sal you watch some hockey today i did i went down to harbor center yeah i'm thinking about for a
15:53second
15:53wait a minute what was on tv no no yeah i went i went to the uh took max down
15:56to the three on three
15:57scrimmage it was a great atmosphere a lot of people there jealous because it had to be 30 degrees
16:02cooler than it is in this room right now yeah that was the that was a great move going to
16:08watch the
16:08sabers today that was a great move bravo what's our number right now uh 83 degrees so hanging in
16:15there at 83 degrees yeah but i'll tell you the the barometric pressure is uh i don't know sorry they
16:23used to do the three teams though they only had two teams now they didn't have as many guys there
16:26i
16:26think is the normal in years past they used to do a white blue and gold yeah correct now it
16:31was just
16:31blue and gold and they played a more of a like they had two halves two like 20 minute halves
16:36i
16:36think it was i can't remember um but either way they did two halves instead of three separate games
16:41and figuring out you know and having a champion at the end and you know you like to kind of
16:46see these
16:47guys and what they look like up close a little bit um you can't really judge it's the same thing
16:50me going to rookie mini camp and i'm not really watching the guys that the bills that they brought in
16:55necessarily that aren't the draft picks that we're focused on but when you do focus on a rudolph
17:00i mean i mean this cleaver kid is he was impressive six six yeah he moves and i know he's
17:07not like
17:08known as a speedster i don't think like from what i read but he was moving very well now he
17:11granted
17:11look at the competition he's playing against in this particular you know environment but man for a
17:16defenseman big he's got hands that was really nice to see and how really awesome and cool was it to
17:22see
17:22you know marty b ron's kid in the net right right and you know marty afterwards taking a picture i
17:26got to
17:27meet jacob and i think i might have met jacob years ago but i got to talk with him a
17:31little bit
17:31after and you know i mean for him to be in the army at army in the army playing hockey
17:37doing what
17:37he's doing is just i mean that that's just super cool in all aspects you took some pictures of
17:43goalies including jacob they're giant they are he is he's six four yeah so much taller than the net
17:51he is big he is big um and i took a picture of of uh samuel malash and i had
17:56read i i made a
17:57mistake i tweeted out he was jill's malash's grandson because i thought i read that but
18:01apparently it was erroneous because i checked into it and they are not related but it just reminded me
18:06jill's malash was like one of the first goalies i ever remember in hockey and partly because of his
18:12name was malash he had a great mustache right there's a malash and mustache and went together and
18:17then he had the i'm looking up pictures of these incredible masks yeah yeah when he was with the
18:22cleveland barons for crying out loud yes i would have possibly made matters worse for you on that
18:29because when i saw that from you i went to my basement to look for a card to tweet for
18:34a card
18:34of the day with jill malash any any chance like you you're feeling any chance you can get to tweet
18:39jill's malash you want to you want to do that but um i got sidetracked and by the time i
18:43thought of
18:44it again you had corrected yourself on that but um minnesota malash his son did play in the nhl
18:50oh i am eric malash all right so what do you do for the fourth you know we normally don't
18:58host but
18:59we are hosting this year a lot of times uh my mom will have you know some family over but
19:04we are
19:05hosting this year at our place and we decided to have some people over and i live i live in
19:09the city
19:09and near the border so like it's kind of like fireworks week out here yeah the west side is uh
19:16yeah the west side is bumping at fourth of july so we don't have to shoot anything off in our
19:19yard
19:20that's not my deal anyway i'm just gonna walk down to the end of my street and you know there's
19:24gonna
19:24be fireworks everywhere basically so that's what we're gonna do i think you can pretty much count
19:27on it yeah that's right that's absolutely right the fourth versus memorial day at least you get a
19:32weekend with this one but it is so hot and the fireworks do not help maybe it'll cool off by
19:38saturday oh or i don't know actually if it is expected to do that or only there were a way
19:42to
19:42find out no way to find out right on bang sal thanks for your time you got it guys have
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