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00:30Can you explain to us why?
01:00Iran, of course, they're not making from these billions food, water and good things for their people. They're going to
01:07rebuild their missile program and support the terror, especially Hezbollah, Hamas and others.
01:15I think they're not going to run to rebuild their nuclear program while Trump is around. If it was 18
01:23months to a bomb before, and I'm talking a bomb on a missile, now it's about three years. I had
01:28to wait two years that Trump is there, so it's five years.
01:31Iran is feeling, even though they are on their knees, very weak, they got it from the U.S. and
01:40Israel on all fronts. They are saying we are the winners. Why?
01:44They took the only chip they had, the Strait of Tormod, they closed it, and Trump, you know, listening to
01:54his closed allies, J.D. Vance, the vice president, Ritkoff and Kushner, and not listening to Exet and Rubio and
02:04others.
02:04He decided to go, and again, it's legitimate for him, but he has to say so. He decided to prefer
02:10now the American interest, the economy, he wants to take down the price of oil, his allies in the Gulf,
02:20Saudis, Bahrain.
02:20Well, he had the midterm coming in November, sir, right?
02:23Exactly. He had the midterm coming in November. People are talking about his birthday, Mondial, Independence Day. Believe me, those
02:33are nonsense.
02:33Right.
02:34What you have in mind is that the people in the U.S., they don't know where is Iran, where
02:38is Israel, what is enriched uranium.
02:41They just know how much they are paying for a gallon of oil when they go to the gas stations.
02:46So you think this deal is even worse than what was negotiated in 2015?
02:51You're calling it again a deal. It's not a deal.
02:53Okay, the deal to cease hostilities is how I described it.
02:56It's a memorandum of understanding.
02:58Okay, so this MOU is worse than what was signed in 2015?
03:02Again, it can cause to a final agreement, maybe there will be an agreement, I'm not sure, because the Iranians
03:10are the best negotiators in the world and they will drag it for two and a half years until Trump
03:15is leaving office.
03:16But if there will be a deal, it looks like it's going to be worse than the one that Obama
03:22did in 2015.
03:23And Ram criticized very much. Why?
03:26Because I don't know what will be in the nuclear side.
03:30But remember that it's 10 years almost later.
03:32The Iranians are ahead in the technology.
03:35We took them back in the fissile material, especially in the weaponization,
03:39because the most critical scientists, they are not there anymore.
03:43So was the SWAR worth it? If its MOU is worse, was the SWAR worth it?
03:49If what we had in 2015 was okay?
03:52Again, no one, the deal of 2015 was horrible, not good, very bad.
03:57It was a direct path for a bomb to Iran.
04:02Now, I don't know what will happen in this memorandum of understanding,
04:06because there is nothing, nothing about nuclear inside this memorandum of understanding.
04:11It's only opening rumors, giving Iran money, and that's it.
04:15Now, they are saying inside what they are going to talk about.
04:18I don't know what will be the result.
04:20So, now, Israel is not bound by this MOU.
04:24Israel signed a separate deal with Lebanon, brockered by the U.S.
04:29It's a deal, it's a ceasefire.
04:32Are you confident it's going to work, knowing that Hezbollah said he would not abide by it?
04:36And some members of Netanyahu's government, namely far-right ministers,
04:41said denounce the deal as null and void as well.
04:44So, what do you think is going to happen on the Lebanese front?
04:47Just put aside those in Israel that are denouncing from left and from right.
04:53I'm talking about the 80-90% of the Israeli population and Knesset members.
04:59This deal is good, and it's not excellent.
05:02Why?
05:02Why it's good?
05:03It says that Lebanon and Israel will decide about Lebanon and the sovereignty government of Lebanon.
05:10And it's written inside that Israel is not going to withdraw from Lebanon,
05:15from our positions there that are protecting our citizens,
05:19that we told them you can go back to your arms after you...
05:21But the size of this zone is under discussion, but yes, okay.
05:25Again, it's something that Israel is saying.
05:27We gave them two pilot stations, area, very close to what we call the yellow line,
05:3310 kilometers from Israel, to see if they can clean it from Hezbollah.
05:38Now, while Hezbollah is not going to give up all of their weapons,
05:43this deal is not going to happen.
05:45But do you think it's going to work?
05:46It didn't work in 2024.
05:48I don't think that this deal will work in the place that the Lebanon sovereignty government
05:56will take out the weapons from Hezbollah.
06:00No way.
06:00Because they don't want to?
06:01Because they can't?
06:02No, because they can't.
06:04They very, very much want to.
06:06It's written inside the agreement that this agreement will come into force
06:10only after all the groups that are holding weapons inside Lebanon
06:16are going to give it up.
06:18Do you ask me if this Lebanon, this weak Lebanon government,
06:22will be able to do it alone?
06:24No.
06:25The only way that Hezbollah will give up his weapons
06:29if their supporters, the IRGC, the Iran,
06:31that are now getting money from the deal that we just...
06:34not the deal, the M.U. just talked before,
06:37they'll spill money for them.
06:38If there is no regime, crazy regime in Iran,
06:42the Hezbollah will give up.
06:43But then it's a catch-22.
06:45Then it's a catch-22 because Iran has said
06:48that the deal would never work if Sildes do not cease against Lebanon.
06:53So then what?
06:54Then there is no possible good ending.
06:58You are totally right that there is a catch-22.
07:01So there is a catch-22.
07:03as an American for the U.S.-Iran deal
07:05and the Lebanon-Israel deal.
07:09Now we are saying, still, U.S. is our best ally.
07:12We like what they are doing.
07:13We work together with them.
07:15At the end, they will understand who is the Iranians
07:17and they will go back to make sure that the work is finished.
07:22And now they decided to go on the economy way.
07:26It's okay.
07:26Their legitimacy.
07:28We are not obeyed by this, you.
07:30We have the Lebanon.
07:31The most important thing about the Lebanon-Israel deal
07:35is that it's like putting a finger in the eyes of the Iranians,
07:39telling them, you did a deal with the U.S.
07:41Okay.
07:42Lebanon is not part of the deal.
07:44In Lebanon, we are the one that's calling the shots.
07:46Now you ask me how it's going to finish.
07:49I don't know.
07:49I don't know.
07:51You called it very, very correctly.
07:53It's a catch-22.
07:55And as always in our area, in our region,
07:58it's very interesting to build.
08:00It's always something to do.
08:03Israel is strong.
08:05Israel is going to protect its citizens,
08:07especially in the north but also in the south,
08:09like we did in Gaza, in Lebanon,
08:12and in Judea and Samaria and other places.
08:15In Iran, I hope the U.S. will understand
08:17that the Iranians are not telling them the truth
08:20and will go back to what we did before.
08:23Okay.
08:23Very quickly, sir.
08:25There's been a bit of a tension
08:27between Netanyahu and President Trump recently,
08:31and J.D. Vance actually also took stage
08:34and explained that Israel should stay in its lane.
08:37Do you think the relationship between the U.S. and Israel
08:40has been strained recently?
08:44Again, you're putting the right point.
08:47Israel and U.S. are best allies.
08:51They are our best friends.
08:52They are supporting Israel in the U.N.
08:55Security Council.
08:57They are supporting us with many other things.
08:59But as I said before,
09:01President Trump now,
09:03for this point,
09:04I think he is doing a mistake,
09:05but it's legitimate from his side,
09:08decided to prefer the American interest,
09:12meaning the economy,
09:14taking down the price of oil,
09:16being ready for the midterrain
09:18because his people told him,
09:19otherwise,
09:20you're going to lose house and senate.
09:22We like very much that the U.S. will be with us.
09:25Sometimes they have their own interest.
09:27Okay.
09:28They will come to their senses and decisions very soon.
09:32They know who is good and who is bad.
09:34No, I understand.
09:35I understand that Israel wants to be strong on its own.
09:38However, it's dependent on U.S. aid,
09:41military aid.
09:42No, no.
09:43Well, partially.
09:44I mean, I know it has a very strong defense,
09:46you know, industry,
09:46but my point mostly is that
09:49how can it be a stable Middle East
09:51if the interests of the United States and Israel
09:54diverge so much right now?
09:56And again,
09:56you said before about the dependency.
09:58Israel is strong.
09:59Yes, we are getting an aid.
10:00I signed on the name of Israel
10:02the last agreement of 38 billion
10:04and I think there will be another one.
10:06But we are depending on the U.S.
10:09mainly on the main platforms,
10:11F-15, F-16, F-35.
10:13We're not going to build them alone.
10:14but the U.S. is selling those also to other countries.
10:17How are we going to do it with an American money,
10:19Israel money?
10:20It's totally different.
10:21I don't think the Americans are going to
10:24with all those things from us.
10:26All the other things,
10:27ammunition, tank shells, artillery,
10:31many main air to ground.
10:33We are doing it on our own.
10:35Israel is not depending in the United States.
10:37We are independent.
10:38Last question, if I may.
10:40We talked about a possible strained relation
10:42between Israel and the U.S.
10:44Now, I'd like to turn very briefly to the EU.
10:47I mean, you're aware, I guess,
10:49of the diplomatic spot that happened
10:51between the EU foreign policy chief,
10:54Kayakalas,
10:55and Israel's foreign minister, Gideon Sark.
10:59Are you worried about the future
11:01of EU-Israel relationship?
11:03I'm sorry you are not going to like my answer.
11:05I was working very hard.
11:07When I was an Israeli national security advisor,
11:09every month, I would take 28 EU ambassadors in Israel
11:14and talking to them once a month.
11:16They didn't like it.
11:16I didn't like it.
11:17Unfortunately, we are asking the United States.
11:19The EU is not relevant.
11:21Now, about EU-Israel,
11:23at the end,
11:24I think that also the EU countries
11:26will come to their senses
11:28and will realize who are the good guys,
11:30who are the bad guys.
11:31See some of the countries inside Europe,
11:33and I don't want to say names,
11:34You go in the streets,
11:36there is terror inside Europe,
11:38I think,
11:39and there are some European countries
11:40that understood it
11:41and they took the law to their end.
11:44Some already lost the war against the immigrants.
11:48I think Europe is a big problem
11:50that they have to solve,
11:51and their problem is not Israel.
11:53Thank you, sir.
11:54Thank you for your time.
11:55Thank you very much.
11:56Thank you.
