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00:26:27I bought her her tits.
00:26:28I paid for them.
00:26:29He paid for my tits.
00:26:30I paid for these implants.
00:26:31My tits.
00:26:31I gave my mother her implants.
00:26:33Shake them tits, mommy.
00:26:34Shake those tits, mama.
00:26:35He paid for my tits.
00:26:36All she want for Christmas is her two front tits.
00:26:38Her two front tits.
00:26:39Her two front tits.
00:26:40And we gave them to her.
00:26:46Our mother even nurses us.
00:26:48She's a good woman.
00:26:49She nourishes us.
00:26:51My mommy is a drag queen.
00:26:52Look, I say.
00:26:54From the house of Estravaganza.
00:26:57Mother of the year.
00:26:59Keeping her children intact.
00:27:01And we have Angie Estravaganza.
00:27:07One class girl.
00:27:09Walk that runway.
00:27:11This is Andre Christian.
00:27:13My birthday coming out, I always get a birthday gift from Angie.
00:27:17Or get one from my real mother.
00:27:20Like when I got thrown out of my house.
00:27:21Angie let me stay with her.
00:27:23So I got myself together and I got working.
00:27:26She always fed me.
00:27:28She'll be a pain in the ass at times.
00:27:30But I wouldn't trade her for any other mother.
00:27:35You know, you have to have something to offer in order to leave.
00:27:39The mother usually becomes the mother because she's usually the best one out of the group.
00:27:42I'm Willie Ninja.
00:27:44The mother of the house of Ninja.
00:27:45Give him what he wants.
00:27:48I'm the mother of the house of Ninja because they say I'm the best worker out.
00:27:53To be the mother of the house, you have to have the most power.
00:27:56Take a real family.
00:27:57It's the mother that's the hardest worker.
00:28:00And the mother gets the most respect.
00:28:02As far as my naming my house, the house of Ninja.
00:28:05Ninjas hit hard.
00:28:07They hit fast.
00:28:08An invisible assassin.
00:28:10And that's what we are.
00:28:11We come out to assassinate.
00:28:13The house of La Beja is the legendary house above all of them.
00:28:17I have the most members.
00:28:18I'm the most popular.
00:28:19New York City is wrapped up in being La Beja.
00:28:21So, it speaks for itself.
00:28:24And I am the fiercest mother out of all of them.
00:28:26La Beja wouldn't be caught dead in that house.
00:28:29I'm sorry.
00:28:30I don't see that house.
00:28:31Only reason I see my house pinned off is because Kim and Avis.
00:28:35Because both of them warped.
00:28:37And at the last ball, Avis showed her goddamn ass off.
00:28:40They call them competitions.
00:28:42But believe me, they're wars.
00:28:44And they often do lead the fights.
00:28:48The emotions be very high.
00:28:49They're very intense.
00:28:50Very intense affairs.
00:28:52But I guess that's what makes them fun.
00:28:54Like a good movie.
00:28:55If there's no emotion, you don't enjoy it.
00:28:59I don't talk too much about the ball kids because I want them to talk about me.
00:29:04Because I haven't walked yet.
00:29:06And it's like, well, William says, I want you to walk in my ball.
00:29:09I want you to walk in my ball.
00:29:10And I keep telling William, I say, I'll walk when I walk.
00:29:13I'll walk when I want.
00:29:14Not when you want.
00:29:15I'll walk when I want.
00:29:16And so far, I don't know when I'm going to walk.
00:29:19I'm thinking somewhat around the time of the Legends War.
00:29:23But don't quote me on that.
00:29:25I mean, it really causes hate, actually, between two individuals.
00:29:29It's like a wall on the floor.
00:29:31It's like World War III.
00:29:33But the only thing about the gang.
00:29:41Now, I'll cut the music.
00:29:43Now, I said, I said men's garment.
00:29:49He looked like he had on a man's box coat.
00:29:51Tell this child where are the men's garments.
00:29:53I paid for it, motherfucker.
00:29:55A man bought it.
00:29:56The buttons on the right side.
00:29:57The judge is right.
00:29:58The buttons on the right side.
00:30:01Someone came up and told the MC.
00:30:03Are you a judge?
00:30:04That it was a woman's coat.
00:30:06I thought it was kind of silly to nitpick.
00:30:10Oh, that's shady.
00:30:11They thought it was shady.
00:30:13I can't believe it.
00:30:14Wait a minute.
00:30:15Wait a minute.
00:30:16Wait a minute.
00:30:16Wait a minute now.
00:30:18Let's not get loud.
00:30:20Now, David.
00:30:21David.
00:30:22David.
00:30:23That's the one thing that I find salty with the balls.
00:30:26After they've laid down these little categories,
00:30:28then they try to become a stickler for exact interpretation.
00:30:32Merely a point to discredit the contestant.
00:30:36Like in the Olympics where the Russian judge brought to the fact
00:30:39that the American coach had stepped onto the floor,
00:30:43and that was a disqualification for the contestant.
00:30:47Just as picky as the ball.
00:30:50For those little flaws like that, that's because that's a part of shade.
00:30:54That's the idea.
00:30:55Knock them out if you can.
00:30:56Get them anywhere.
00:30:57You hit them below the belt.
00:31:04Shade comes from reading.
00:31:06Reading came first.
00:31:10Reading is the real art form of insults.
00:31:14Now you want to talk about reading?
00:31:16Let's talk about reading.
00:31:19What is wrong with you, Pedro?
00:31:20Are you going through it?
00:31:21You're going through some kind of psychological change in your life?
00:31:25She went back to be a man.
00:31:26Oh, you went back to being a man.
00:31:28Touch this skin, darling.
00:31:30Touch this skin, honey.
00:31:32Touch all of this skin.
00:31:33Okay?
00:31:34You just can't take it.
00:31:36You're just an overgrown orangutan.
00:31:39You get in a smart crack and everyone laughs and kikis
00:31:43because you found a flaw and exaggerated it,
00:31:46then you've got a good read going.
00:31:48I am a person just like you.
00:31:50You cut me, I bleed the same way you do.
00:31:52I bleed the same color.
00:31:53If it's happening between the gay world and the straight world,
00:31:56it's not really a read.
00:31:57It's more of an insult, a vicious slur fight.
00:32:01See, see, there go my sister right there.
00:32:03She don't even want to admit that she's my sister.
00:32:05She a bulldog.
00:32:06But it's how they develop a sense of how to read.
00:32:10That's my husband right there.
00:32:12And that's my girlfriend right there.
00:32:13They may call you a faggot or a drag queen.
00:32:16You find something to call them.
00:32:17But then when you are all of the same thing,
00:32:21then you have to go to the fine point.
00:32:24In other words, if I'm a black queen and you're a black queen,
00:32:27we can't call each other black queens because we're both black queens.
00:32:29That's not a read.
00:32:30That's just a fact.
00:32:31So then we talk about your ridiculous shape,
00:32:33your saggy face, your tacky clothes.
00:32:43Then reading became a developed form where it became shade.
00:32:49Shade is, I don't tell you you're ugly,
00:32:52but I don't have to tell you because you know you're ugly.
00:32:55And that's shade.
00:33:09Vogueing is the same thing.
00:33:10It's like taking two knives and cutting each other up,
00:33:13but through a dance form.
00:33:24Vogueing came from shade because it was a dance form.
00:33:26It was a dance that two people did because they didn't like each other.
00:33:29Instead of fighting, you would dance it out on the dance floor
00:33:32and whoever did the better moves was throwing the best shade, basically.
00:33:37No touching.
00:33:39Neither one of you.
00:33:40If you touch, I'm chopping you.
00:33:41I'm telling you right now.
00:33:42You can take the pantomime form of Vogue.
00:33:45This is what generally sometimes I do,
00:33:47is I make my hand into a form like a compact or a makeup kit,
00:33:50and I'm like beating my face with blush, shadows or whatever to the music.
00:33:55Then usually I'll turn the compact around to face that person,
00:33:59meaning like almost like my hand is a mirror for them to get a look.
00:34:02Then I'll start doing their face,
00:34:04because what they have on their face right now needs a dramatic makeup job.
00:34:09So Vogueing is like a safe form of throwing shade.
00:34:12Karrie, do free.
00:34:14Rope, Karrie, do free.
00:34:17Rope.
00:34:19I'll write this with you.
00:34:20Don't knock on the karrie.
00:34:31Come on, baby, take your time.
00:34:34Bring it to the judges,
00:34:36judges give it to the form and the styles.
00:34:38Rope!
00:34:39Let's hear it for her, goddammit!
00:34:40The name was taken from the magazine Vogue
00:34:42because some of the movements of the dance
00:34:45are also the same as the poses
00:34:47inside the magazine.
00:34:50The name is a statement in itself.
00:34:54I mean, you really wouldn't go to a ball
00:34:56to do the mademoiselle.
00:34:58No way.
00:35:08Come on!
00:35:12Come on!
00:35:13Come on!
00:35:15Make his arms!
00:35:16Over there!
00:35:18Bobby, look at it!
00:35:23Y'all knew how to do that.
00:35:28Ouch!
00:35:29Ouch!
00:35:34Like race dancing,
00:35:36the dance takes from
00:35:37the hieroglyphics
00:35:40of ancient Egypt.
00:35:42It also takes from
00:35:43some forms of gymnastics.
00:35:46They both strive for
00:35:48perfect lines in the body,
00:35:50awkward positions,
00:35:51but it goes one step further.
00:35:54It's starting to make a name for itself,
00:35:55but I want it to be known worldwide
00:35:58and I want to be on top of it when it hit.
00:36:00I want to take voguing
00:36:02not to just Paris is Burning,
00:36:05but I want to take it to
00:36:06the real Paris
00:36:08and make the real Paris burn.
00:36:11That's what I want to do.
00:36:12And not just there,
00:36:13but to other countries as well.
00:36:15My house name is Ninja
00:36:18and I would really like to take my whole house
00:36:20and go to Japan
00:36:22and really let loose and do it
00:36:24and have them accept it there.
00:36:25I want to be a big star,
00:36:30known generally
00:36:31every corner of the world.
00:36:35You know, maybe as a choreographer,
00:36:39a famous dancer,
00:36:41a singer,
00:36:43all of them.
00:36:44What the balls has to do with that,
00:36:46as far as the dance field,
00:36:48is maybe perfect my craft a little better
00:36:50to learn new things,
00:36:53new ideas,
00:36:55and bring them to the real world.
00:37:00It's been really unbelievable,
00:37:02my life.
00:37:04If I was to die the day of tomorrow,
00:37:05I could not say I've not had an exciting life.
00:37:08I have had a happy life.
00:37:09And I'm not rich, mind you.
00:37:11Just imagine, if I had the dollar,
00:37:14it would be too much for the world.
00:37:16If I had the riches and I have the fame,
00:37:18trust me, all of y'all in here
00:37:19would be rich for coins.
00:37:21Because I'm very generous.
00:37:23I wouldn't enjoy having a whole lot of money,
00:37:26like being a millionaire
00:37:27and hoarding it.
00:37:29I'd share it with all my loved ones.
00:37:31I'd want them to have it too.
00:37:32We'd all have to go.
00:37:34I'd want to charter our plane and we'd all fly to Paris.
00:37:41O-P-U-L-E-N-C-E
00:37:46Opulence!
00:37:50You own everything!
00:37:57Everything is yours!
00:38:14This is white America.
00:38:21Any other nationality that is not of the white set
00:38:28knows this and accepts this
00:38:30to the day they die.
00:38:32That is everybody's dream and ambition as a minority.
00:38:36To live and look as well as a white person
00:38:41is pictured as being in America.
00:38:44Every media you have from TV to magazines
00:38:47to movies to films.
00:38:49I mean, the biggest thing that minority watches is what?
00:38:52Dynasty and the Colby's.
00:38:54All My Children, the soap operas.
00:38:57Everybody have a million dollar bracket.
00:39:00When they showing you a commercial from Honeygram to Crest
00:39:03or Les Toil or Pinesaw,
00:39:05everybody's in their own home.
00:39:08The little kids from Fisher Price Toil,
00:39:10they're not in no concrete playground.
00:39:13They're riding around the lawn.
00:39:15The pool is in the back.
00:39:18This is white America.
00:39:20And when it comes to minorities, especially black,
00:39:24we as a people for the past 400 years
00:39:27is the greatest example of behavior modification
00:39:31in the history of civilization.
00:39:34We have had everything taken away from us
00:39:36and yet we have all learned how to survive.
00:39:41That is why in the ballroom circuit it is so obvious
00:39:47that if you have captured the great white way of living
00:39:52or looking
00:39:55or dressing or speaking,
00:39:58you is a marvel.
00:40:03I think if I could just be on TV or film or anything,
00:40:07I'd do that instead of the money.
00:40:10Of course I do want the money because I want the luxury
00:40:12that goes with it.
00:40:14But
00:40:16I want to be
00:40:17wealthy.
00:40:18If not wealthy, content, comfortable.
00:40:21You know?
00:40:23I want to be somebody.
00:40:25I mean, I am somebody.
00:40:27I just want to be a rich somebody.
00:40:31You ain't going to tell me you behind the supermarket
00:40:33and you're going to say that's a pain.
00:40:36Women don't go out of their way
00:40:37because they are women.
00:40:39I went out my way because I wasn't
00:40:41and I felt that I wanted to be the best I can be.
00:40:44The Virginia Slims girl is here.
00:40:46This was not a game for me or fun.
00:40:48This is something that I want to live.
00:40:50She's here in person.
00:40:53Hopefully, God willing, by 1988
00:40:55I fully hope to become
00:40:57a full-pledged woman of the United States.
00:41:03You look at all these models on the wall.
00:41:05Every one of them are gorgeous.
00:41:08Every one of them are beautiful.
00:41:10But every one of them have their own look.
00:41:13This is my idol, Paulina.
00:41:15Someday I hope to be up there with her.
00:41:17If that could be me,
00:41:19I think I would be the happiest person in the world.
00:41:21Just knowing that I can compare to Paulina
00:41:25to stand next to her and to take pictures with her.
00:41:27I look at her hair and I say she's seductive
00:41:30and she's alluring.
00:41:32I look at her there
00:41:33and I say she's sexy and provocative.
00:41:36I look at her hair
00:41:37and I think that she's childish
00:41:39and little girl type.
00:41:41I look at her hair and it's the same.
00:41:43I look at her hair and I think of
00:41:46wicked beauty.
00:41:47That's how I see her.
00:41:48I admire her.
00:41:50You know, the red hot fire of hair
00:41:52and the whole bit.
00:41:56If you're not really trying hard enough
00:41:58then I become hard.
00:42:01Do not believe just because I'm a guy
00:42:02that I cannot do it.
00:42:03In order to be a teacher to show girls how to do it,
00:42:05I have to know how to do it.
00:42:06I've taught for various shows,
00:42:08like for FIT I've taught models.
00:42:10Girls that are from various agencies
00:42:12that come to me by word of mouth.
00:42:23New York City women are a little bit harder
00:42:24than most women.
00:42:25Basically I'm trying to bring that femininity back
00:42:28and bring some grace and poise.
00:42:30Whether they become models or not,
00:42:32it's nice to know
00:42:32because it's more attractive to men.
00:42:34The walk that she's doing
00:42:36is basically to get more movement in your hips naturally.
00:42:39Don't exaggerate.
00:42:49Most likely she'll get what she wants.
00:42:51You know, especially if she's in a man's world.
00:42:53She can still have her equal rights
00:42:55but be able to manipulate a man
00:42:56by using her feminine walk.
00:42:58She can use it by using masculine.
00:43:00Are they soft?
00:43:02Looking from head to toe, would you know?
00:43:04Is this realness or not?
00:43:06Let it be motherfucking hot.
00:43:13Miss Octavia, you don't feel this realness?
00:43:15Where you at, sister?
00:43:17Up to right there, not furthered.
00:43:19Of the spine.
00:43:23Up to right there, not furthering.
00:43:33Candy, La Beja, realness in the daytime darling, she goes to school as a woman.
00:43:39Get into it.
00:43:40Get into both of them and see which one is realer.
00:43:44Feel the flesh or whatever it may be.
00:43:46Is it soft or not?
00:43:51It's soft.
00:43:52Come, come, come.
00:43:54Score Miss Octavia first.
00:43:56Step forward, step your score.
00:43:58Ten, ten, ten, ten, ten.
00:44:01Score to Neal.
00:44:08Nine, ten, ten.
00:44:13Grand prize Octavia first place to Neal.
00:44:21There's people who sit home all day, they have potential, okay?
00:44:26I mean, they go to the balls and they prove that they have potentials on actually selling a garment.
00:44:30Okay, but they like, being that I have this potential, the ballroom tells me.
00:44:35Okay, the ballroom tells me that I'm somebody.
00:44:39But when the ballroom is over and you come home, you have to convince yourself that you are somebody.
00:44:43And that's where they get lost.
00:44:45And that's where they get lost.
00:44:45Everybody is looking for something.
00:44:49Sweet dreams are made of this.
00:44:52Who am I to decide?
00:44:55It's also in a magazine.
00:44:57Wasn't it in a magazine?
00:45:07It was a time when you could spend a great deal of time making outfits and preparing for something.
00:45:14Now they come very quickly and the moods change very quickly.
00:45:17I come from the old school of big costumes, feathers and beads.
00:45:23And they don't have that anymore.
00:45:25Now it's all about designers.
00:45:27And it's not about what you create, it's about what you can acquire.
00:45:32What do you think?
00:45:35Isn't that beautiful?
00:45:41$559.
00:45:42How's that for a simple dress?
00:45:43If you have on a label, it means that you've got wealth when it doesn't really.
00:45:49Because any shoplifter can get a label.
00:45:51You can come down the runway and something for $14.99 or $49.99 and say, well, I'm lovely.
00:45:58And expect to win.
00:46:01Okay, to describe, explain mopping.
00:46:04Mopping, you go into a store and just look.
00:46:11Look for whatever you want to see.
00:46:13Look for whatever.
00:46:14Mopping is stealing.
00:46:16General, stealing.
00:46:18However it's done, stealing.
00:46:20If you're working every day, you're struggling to buy this outfit.
00:46:25When you walk, you're like, this is me.
00:46:28And your facial expressions as well as your means of projection of your outfit.
00:46:32It shows if you actually stole it or you purchased it.
00:46:35You can actually tell?
00:46:36You can actually tell.
00:46:39Faggots are a stunt in themselves, regardless.
00:46:41Make no mistake.
00:46:43First it comes, okay, when it comes to a stunt, it goes in order.
00:46:47It goes faggots, then girls, then boys.
00:46:51Because boys are the stupidest.
00:46:52They don't know how to do a stunt right.
00:46:55Now, faggots will do a stunt.
00:46:57And I mean, you will never catch up with it until years later.
00:47:00And then, I mean, you'll be like, oh shit, this faggot pulled this stunt on me.
00:47:04We went down there.
00:47:06We had fun and we acted stupid and came back.
00:47:08But I think the best thing we did was Roy Rogers.
00:47:11That was fun.
00:47:12You would have had something to eat.
00:47:14Because how much did you pay for that sandwich?
00:47:16I don't remember.
00:47:17Maybe $5 or something.
00:47:19$5?
00:47:21Make no mistake, we got your $5 back.
00:47:23I had two double cheeseburgers, two fries, a Coke, a Sprite, and an orange.
00:47:31Chicken and chips.
00:47:32Let's go back and forth.
00:47:32I lived on that line.
00:47:34We got over around, say around $200 in food.
00:47:39See, they put cheese on the meat.
00:47:44I hope after this, Roy Rogers does not change how it has its food.
00:47:49Because if it does by this interview, I will be so upset.
00:47:53I will be so upset.
00:47:55I'll be swollen.
00:47:57I'll be hurt.
00:47:58I'm telling you.
00:47:59I really will be.
00:48:00Because I mean it.
00:48:02Where else can you go in, get it done your way, and go out without paying?
00:48:06Carla Extravaganza said, will you please return her black patent leather shoes, size 7?
00:48:14There is a reward.
00:48:17She won her pumps.
00:48:19She said it's not going to work.
00:48:21Take in her shoes.
00:48:22Give them back.
00:48:23Daytime, if they go out, they're only going out to try to hustle up a quarter or two to get
00:48:31their things for the ball or go to a little job.
00:48:34A lot of them have little jobs now.
00:48:36They work.
00:48:36Don't think they're lazy.
00:48:38In New York City, you work or you starve.
00:48:41You work some kind of work, legal or otherwise.
00:48:45But you have to work to sustain yourself.
00:48:49The legendary Tennille Dupree and the father of the House of Ebony, Max Debuchia, presents
00:48:56a night of living hell and punishment.
00:49:00At the Imperial Elks Lodge, 160 West 129th Street, which is right here.
00:49:08Doors open at 5 a.m.
00:49:10Grand March is at 7 a.m.
00:49:17The boys are usually later because of the fact they're waiting for the working girls
00:49:22to get there.
00:49:24And what is it those girls are doing?
00:49:26Well, they're making money for the boys or they're making their costumes, their outfits,
00:49:31or getting it together like that.
00:49:34What's their profession?
00:49:36Usually showgirls.
00:49:38Usually they're, you know, showgirls.
00:49:39Anything else?
00:49:42Well, it depends.
00:49:44It depends.
00:49:45I don't know a lot of their professions, but usually they're showgirls.
00:49:48Usually.
00:49:49The thing that helped me make my most money through the escort service is being that I'm
00:49:54so little.
00:49:55I'm so petite.
00:49:57I'm tiny.
00:49:59The blonde hair and the light skin.
00:50:02The green eyes and the little features.
00:50:05The client's hands would be bigger than my hands.
00:50:08While they would hold my hand or something, you know, they liked feeling that they were
00:50:12something perfect and little and not someone that's bigger than them.
00:50:18Because I guess that kind of disturbs them.
00:50:23Most of all the drag queens that are involved in the balls, they, 90% of them are hustlers.
00:50:30I guess that's how they make their money, to go to the balls and get whatever they need
00:50:34and stuff.
00:50:34I used to hustle in New York to make my money.
00:50:37I was with a guy and he was playing with my titties until he touched me down there.
00:50:42He felt it and he seen it and he like totally flipped out.
00:50:45He said, you fucking faggot.
00:50:48You're a freak.
00:50:49You're a victim of AIDS and you're trying to give me AIDS.
00:50:52What are you crazy?
00:50:52You're a homo.
00:50:53I should kill you.
00:50:54You know, stuff like that.
00:50:56And like, I was really terrified.
00:50:59So I just jumped out the window.
00:51:01I grabbed my bag and just jumped out the window.
00:51:04But see, now I don't like to hustle anymore.
00:51:06I don't.
00:51:07And I'm afraid of what's going on, the AIDS.
00:51:10And I don't want to catch it.
00:51:11Like later on this evening, I'm supposed to meet someone, a friend of mine, a very good old friend of
00:51:17mine.
00:51:18He's a young, very good, attractive, handsome young man.
00:51:23And he's taking me out to dinner later on this evening or for cocktails after midnight.
00:51:30I know he'll give me some money just for me to maybe buy a pair of shoes and a nice
00:51:37dress so that the next time he sees me, he'll see me looking more and more beautiful the way he
00:51:45wants to see me.
00:51:46But I don't have to go to bed with them or anything like that.
00:51:51At times they do expect sexual favors but that is between myself and them so I do not wish to
00:51:57further speak about that.
00:51:59If they do.
00:52:00But at most times, 99% of the time they don't.
00:52:0495% of the time they don't.
00:52:06Why is he like this now?
00:52:07But I feel like, if you're married, a woman in a suburb, a regular woman, is married to her husband
00:52:19and she wants him to buy her a washer and dryer set.
00:52:25In order for him to buy that, I'm sure she'd have to go to bed with him anyway to give
00:52:30him what he wants for her to get what she wants.
00:52:34So, in the long run, it all ends up the same way.
00:52:43If money wasn't so important in the world today to survive, I guess I wouldn't want anything but what I
00:52:51have now.
00:52:53But since money does, I hope that the way I look puts money in my pocket, you know?
00:53:01I'm really working hard.
00:53:03I'm gonna work even harder.
00:53:06Yeah.
00:53:07There we are.
00:53:09That is lovely.
00:53:10Still?
00:53:12Great.
00:53:12Couldn't be better.
00:53:14It's beautiful like that for the light when you kind of, you know, do this to the light.
00:53:17I want people to look at me as there's the model, Octavia.
00:53:20There's the actress, Octavia.
00:53:22There's Miss Supermodel of the world, Octavia.
00:53:25Is this endless?
00:53:25This catalog of poses?
00:53:27I could keep going longer than you could.
00:53:30Yeah, just there.
00:53:31Mm-hmm.
00:53:32Mm-hmm.
00:53:33I don't want to end up an old drag queen with nothing going for me but trying to win grand
00:53:39prize at a ball.
00:53:40Yeah, no, back a little bit like you did yesterday.
00:53:44Twisting a little bit more to the light, just coming around.
00:53:46Yeah, right.
00:53:47Couldn't be better.
00:53:49I don't think the world has been fair to me.
00:53:52Not yet, anyway.
00:53:53Yeah, lovely.
00:53:54Lovely.
00:53:56I've been a man, and I've been a man who emulated a woman.
00:53:59I've never been a woman.
00:54:01I've never had that service once a month.
00:54:05I've never been pregnant.
00:54:06You know, I can never say how a woman feels.
00:54:08I can only say how a man who acts like a woman or dresses like a woman feels.
00:54:12I never wanted to have a sex change.
00:54:15That's just taking it a little too far, you know.
00:54:17Because if you decide later on in life to change your mind, you can't.
00:54:20Once it's gone, it's gone.
00:54:22A lot of kids that I know, they got the sex change because they felt,
00:54:25oh, I've been treated so bad as a drag queen.
00:54:28If I get a pussy, excuse the expression, I'll be treated fabulous.
00:54:32But women get treated bad.
00:54:34You know, they get beat.
00:54:35They get robbed.
00:54:37They get dogged.
00:54:38So, having the vagina, that doesn't mean that you're going to have
00:54:41a fabulous life.
00:54:42It might, in fact, be worse.
00:54:44You know?
00:54:45So, I've never recommended it.
00:54:46And I, myself, would have never, ever got it.
00:54:48And I'm so thankful that I was that smart.
00:54:50Because right about now, this next 40 or so years that I'm going to be here,
00:54:55I'm going to live.
00:54:56And for those children that can't take the fact that I still look youthful,
00:54:59ha!
00:55:00Suffer.
00:55:01No bags.
00:55:02No lines.
00:55:03Lovely.
00:55:09America's nice.
00:55:09You can do what you want if you have the money.
00:55:12You can be what you want, certainly.
00:55:14Look at me.
00:55:16In 84, I've had a nose reconstructed job.
00:55:22I've had my cheekbones risen.
00:55:23I've had a chin implant.
00:55:25And breast implants.
00:55:27Yes, tell them like it is.
00:55:28The most important factor in my life that has been completed recently is that
00:55:34I've had a transsexualism operation.
00:55:36That means I've had a sex change.
00:55:38I'm no longer a man.
00:55:40I am a woman.
00:55:42I feel great.
00:55:44She has to rub it in.
00:55:47And I feel like the part of my life that was a secret is now closed.
00:55:51For now.
00:55:51I can close the closet door.
00:55:53There are no more skeletons in there.
00:55:54And I'm as free as the wind that's blowing out on this beach.
00:56:03Except that voice is still there.
00:56:08As free as this beach.
00:56:11That's what I am.
00:56:13I am my own special creation.
00:56:18Poison.
00:56:19We bought free gifts today at the Dior counter.
00:56:22Sample Poison by Dior, ladies.
00:56:24Sample the elegance today.
00:56:26Poison by Dior.
00:56:27Can I sample it?
00:56:29Yes.
00:56:30To Dior's poison.
00:56:34Delicious, yes?
00:56:38Folks, please keep moving.
00:56:39We're trying to keep the aisles clear.
00:56:41Please keep moving.
00:56:43All the search for the supermodel of the year.
00:56:45The seventh search of this time.
00:56:48Mrs. Ford is here with two of her top models.
00:56:51And we're interviewing candidates who hopes to become the supermodel of the year.
00:56:55Trients like models who are helpful.
00:56:58Who never say the clothes are terrible even if they are.
00:57:01Because after all, not everything is perfect.
00:57:03They have to make the least perfect of clothes look like a Dior.
00:57:08And so they can't just say,
00:57:10Oh, that's the worst thing I've ever seen.
00:57:13You know, they have to make it look good.
00:57:15They have to be very, very cooperative.
00:57:17And they have to be cheerful.
00:57:19Nobody likes to go in and hear your troubles, you know.
00:57:21When people ask you how you feel, don't tell them if you're sick,
00:57:23because they don't really care.
00:57:26Three, two, one.
00:57:27But while the faces of the 80s stood on line, the feet of the 80s did some waiting.
00:57:32Half an hour and round the block all the way to Third Avenue.
00:57:36One of these young ladies could become the supermodel of the world.
00:57:39Exciting?
00:57:42Try again.
00:57:45How does this type of thing square with women's lip?
00:57:51What about men? Do they take you seriously?
00:57:53Or when they hear you're a model, how does their reaction change to you?
00:57:56What about, like I asked before, does this square with the women's lip movement?
00:58:00Can I have a few of you over here?
00:58:02Okay, can I have a few more women?
00:58:03How are you doing?
00:58:05How are you doing?
00:58:05How are you doing?
00:58:05Nice to meet you too.
00:58:06I'm Sherry.
00:58:07My name's Janet.
00:58:08Hi, Janet.
00:58:09So you're going to be a model?
00:58:11So you need an apathy.
00:58:12Actually, I was in this contest and that's how I started.
00:58:15That's me.
00:58:16I can't believe that.
00:58:17Yeah, that's five years ago.
00:58:17You still look great.
00:58:19Thanks a lot.
00:58:19We look at 75,000 pictures.
00:58:22Awesome.
00:58:22Well, you know, that's the average amount that we look at each contest.
00:58:26What have girls become?
00:58:28Are they the same?
00:58:29How are they different?
00:58:30Girls are not different from yesterday or the day before.
00:58:35Everybody who's young has a hope and a dream.
00:58:38And I don't think that it's ever been any different in the history of the world.
00:58:44I believe that there's a big future out there with a lot of beautiful things.
00:58:51A lot of handsome men.
00:58:54A lot of luxury.
00:58:56I want a car.
00:58:58I want to be with the man I love.
00:59:01I want a nice home away from New York.
00:59:04Up the peak skills or maybe in Florida or somewhere far where no one knows me.
00:59:09I want my sex change.
00:59:12I want to live a normal, happy life.
00:59:14Whether it's being married and adopting children.
00:59:19Whether it's being famous and rich.
00:59:23I want to get married in church and white.
00:59:27Sometimes I sit and look at a magazine.
00:59:29I try to imagine myself in the front cover or even inside.
00:59:35I want to be a complete woman.
00:59:38And I want to be a professional model behind cameras in a high fashion world.
00:59:45I want so much more.
00:59:46I want my name to be a household product.
00:59:53I want everybody to look at me and say, there goes Octavia.
00:59:58I want this.
00:59:59This is what I want.
01:00:01And I'm going to go for it.
01:00:09Open.
01:00:10Open.
01:00:11Pick it for all.
01:00:12Amy.
01:00:14And grab a.
01:00:16Dwar.
01:00:19Amy and grab a Dwar.
01:00:24Swimming.
01:00:26Boat.
01:00:29Boat.
01:00:30Boat.
01:00:31Boat.
01:00:37Previously, I introduced rap music along with dancing to Japanese people, and they really loved it.
01:00:47This, ladies and gentlemen, is voguing, a form of dance that has its roots in Harlem,
01:00:52a take-off on runway modeling, which they had plenty of last night as well.
01:00:58Voguing is an attitude, a style. It's kind of an institutionalized showing off, but not without its entertainment value.
01:01:06It's very spectacular, very important, art form, very important.
01:01:11It's just so theatrical, and the energy, it's just terrific.
01:01:16In addition to perhaps putting voguing in vogue, this love ball, sponsored by the design industry's Foundation for AIDS,
01:01:21has raised more than $350,000 for research and housing for the homeless who have AIDS.
01:01:27And I had never seen anything quite like it, and I'm Connie Collins, News 4, Manhattan.
01:01:33Two years ago, I was working in a health food store, still teaching, and trying to perform on my own.
01:01:40But now, my foot is like in every little doorstep that you can think of.
01:01:48I'm doing a lot of runway work, dancing, performing for Malcolm McLaren, various other people, doing choreography,
01:01:55helping people put their shows together.
01:01:58So it's going very good.
01:02:02This earring that I have here is, I bought this in Japan.
01:02:05As you can see, it says House Couture.
01:02:08I can't read the rest of it, it has a scissor.
01:02:09And it has Junior Gaultier 89 on there, of course, as a Gaultier label emblem.
01:02:14I bought it, mind you.
01:02:16I have the receipts still.
01:02:18Where? I don't know, but I bought it.
01:02:25The balls have kind of gotten toned down compared to what it used to be.
01:02:30Now when I tell people what it is, and they go, and it's not what they expect, you know,
01:02:34it's like they feel like a little bit of a letdown.
01:02:37You know, they say, well, it was long, it was dragged out, it was boring.
01:02:40Okay, the balls are always long and dragged out, but they were never boring.
01:02:43I really do kind of miss the street element.
01:02:46I mean, but everything changes, and everything's been changing drastically.
01:02:51You know, New York's not even the same anymore.
01:03:21I wish it to have a Venus.
01:03:23you take too many chances, you're too wild with people in the streets, something is going to happen to you.
01:03:26But that was Venus. She always took a chance. She always went into a stranger's car.
01:03:31She always did what she wanted to get what she wanted.
01:03:36I had a booking for a Christmas show at Sally's, and the DTs came to me with a picture of
01:03:42her murdered.
01:03:43And they were about to cremate her because nobody had came to verify the body.
01:03:47And I was the one that had to give all this information down to her family.
01:03:51Actually, they found her dead after four days, strangled under a bed in a sleazy hotel in New York City.
01:03:57I'm hungry.
01:03:58We used to get dressed together, call each other and say what we were going to wear.
01:04:01And, you know, she was like my right hand as far as I'm concerned. I miss her.
01:04:05Every time I go anywhere, I miss her.
01:04:07That was my main, the main daughter of my house, in other words.
01:04:11But that's part of life as far as being a transsexual in New York City and surviving.
01:04:22I always had hopes of being a big star.
01:04:28Then I look, as you get older, you aim a little lower.
01:04:32And I just say, well, yeah, you still might make an impression.
01:04:35Everybody wants to leave something behind them, some impression, some markup on the world.
01:04:40Then you think you left a mark on the world if you just get through it.
01:04:52And a few people remember your name.
01:04:55Then you left a mark.
01:04:59You don't have to bend the whole world.
01:05:04I think it's better to just enjoy it.
01:05:10Pay your dues.
01:05:13And enjoy it.
01:05:16If you shoot an arrow and it goes real high,
01:05:20hooray for you.
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