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00:08it is good to be back with you on this second hour of chris jansing reports at this hour
00:12trump on the trail the president campaigning today with a republican congressman
00:17locked in one of the most closely watched house races this november but with americans struggling
00:22can he sell a candidate and his economic message also vote postponed house republicans help the
00:30president avoid another political embarrassment abruptly yanking a vote to end the iran war so
00:36what now plus cuba's future secretary of state marco rubio weighs in on the uncertainty surrounding
00:43the island saying he's doubtful a diplomatic solution can be reached while the president
00:48raises the threat of military action and travel record american airlines predicts 75 million people
00:56will fly just with them this summer and that busy travel season kicks off today we're live at the
01:02airline's largest hub our ms now reporters are following all of the latest developments first
01:07to upstate new york where the president is making a rare campaign stop ms now's namdi agawanwu is in
01:14rockland county why there namdi and why now you know chris we just spoke to congressman michael
01:21allar a couple minutes ago and i asked him that question you know you're caught up in one of the
01:24toughest re-election battles of any republican in this country um and this is a president that's
01:29currently facing lower approval so why bring him here and what the congressman had to say was look
01:34when the president of the united states wants to come to your district wants to come explain his
01:38message wants to come justify his agenda you invite him to do that he pointed out that he did so
01:42with
01:42um when president biden made his own visit during his term um so mike lawler feeling confident that
01:48people in his district even if they feel different or are frustrated with the president
01:52want to hear him out and that's something that i will say we heard a bit of as we spoke
01:56to residents
01:56of this district earlier today take a listen to what they had to say
02:01i'm a trumper um but i'm not crazy mega like a lot of the people think you know the mega
02:07side is
02:08so i don't understand what that's all about the political environment to me is just
02:12a mess but we're gonna have to have trump here today it's fabulous for rockland county
02:16the it's a long time we have this we've been almost 50 years since we've had a president come
02:20to rockland the uh it's great for our economy and great for business how do you think the economy
02:25is right now what what how's that felt for you in your day to day i got a truck them
02:31gas prices
02:35economy sucks right now and that last point really speaks to something that even supporters
02:41of the president of this district are acknowledging that there are headwinds he's going to have to
02:45address one of them being high gas prices one of them being the fact that grocery store prices
02:49still feel relatively high and this is something new in regards to that 1.8 billion dollars justice
02:55department weaponization fund we spoke to one republican who said it's bad optics the fact that this
03:00these are taxpayer dollars going to this initiative doesn't look good so we had congressman lawler
03:05about that he maintained the fact that he is opposed to anyone that assaulted an officer getting any of
03:10this funds but again it gives you a glimpse into the mindset of the voters here and what they want
03:14to see the congressman and the president address today nam diego anwu thank you for that now to the
03:20gift that house republicans gave the president saving him from a potential political loss and that's now
03:26congressional reporter michael schnell joins me what more can you tell us about this
03:29canceled vote yes so chris yesterday the house was on track scheduled to vote on a war powers
03:35resolution for iran essentially if successful cutting off the president's authority when it
03:40comes to iran and it was on track to actually potentially pass for the first time since this
03:46war began in february there have been an increasing number of republicans willing to support this measure
03:51just recently last week brian fitzpatrick the republican from pennsylvania was the latest gop
03:56lawmaker to get on board also notably uh congressman jared golden a moderate democrat from
04:02maine he up until this point has voted against the war powers resolutions but he had said he was
04:08planning to vote for this one so by all indications it looked like it could actually pass also noting
04:13that there were a number of gop absences which in this very narrow majority that could make or break
04:18vote so as these uh these factors all came together and again it looked like this measure could be
04:23successful republican leadership yanked the vote took it off the schedule continued with that schedule
04:29without having this war powers resolution vote now they would not say exactly why crediting it to those
04:34absences or the fact that it was on track for success democrats so however are convinced that it was
04:41because it was going to succeed take for example congressman gregory meeks the top democrat on the house
04:46foreign affairs committee your speculation is the reason that they pulled this is because you would
04:53have succeeded oh there's no question about it we would have succeeded do you know how many
04:57republicans you expected to have yeah i just was saying we have sufficient enough to make sure that
05:06this was passing i'm confident when we get back i will get it on the floor we're not going to
05:11stop
05:11until we pass it now chris i'm told by a senior gop aide yesterday that this measure will come up
05:18when the house returns the first week of june we could see success there but it's also important to
05:23note that in a lot of ways this is only going to be a symbolic effort and not something that
05:27actually
05:27has teeth even if it does pass the house it would have to go to the senate where that 60
05:32vote threshold
05:32is still very high and even if it were to clear the senate president trump very likely to veto this
05:37measure requiring two-thirds majority of both chambers to override that veto something that
05:43with this republican party is just very very highly unlikely michael schnell thank you we'll talk to
05:49you again in just a bit but let's go to secretary marco rubio's doubts that there can be a diplomatic
05:54resolution with cuba ms now's julia jester is following that for us so what are u.s officials saying
06:00about where this goes from here chris rubio was quite candid on the tarmac yesterday when he said
06:06i gotta be honest the likelihood of an agreement is quote not high and when you look at how the
06:13u.s
06:13has approached other actions in venezuela iran you look at the maduro operation they said it was a law
06:19enforcement matter you look at iran they called it an imminent national security threat based on
06:23secretary rubio's language he's really been leaning into cuba as a national security threat saying that
06:30russia and china not only sent weapons there they have intelligence apparatuses there just so close
06:36to u.s shores really underscoring that aspect of it but the u.s has taken actions to essentially
06:43cripple its economy the blockade the sanctions but it's also offered 100 million in aid that it says
06:48that the government won't agree to because it does not want it to be dispersed through charitable
06:53organizations so there's a lot of movement back and forth but here's what rubio had to say when
06:58he was expanding on just why this is such a tricky situation to resolve
07:05right now there just doesn't seem to be people over there in charge of the regime who are in any
07:10way
07:10open to any of those changes and the things they talk about economically are cosmetic in nature they're
07:15not real the president's preference is always a negotiated agreement that's peaceful that's always our
07:20preference that remains our preference with cuba i'm just being honest with you you know the likelihood
07:24of that happening given who we're dealing with right now is not high but if they have a change of
07:29heart you know we're here the administration's saying take a look at what they're doing southcom
07:35touted and advertised that the uss nimitz aircraft carrier strike group was in the caribbean region just
07:43this week it's the first time they've had a carrier strike group in that region since the maduro raid so
07:49just kind of some public signaling there and then a source familiar with the matter with knowledge
07:55saying that southcom commander has been at the pentagon for the past two days at the request of
08:02secretary hegseth so the fact that general donovan and hegseth are in close communication leading into
08:09this weekend just shows how serious they're taking it but the prospect of military action would mean
08:14serious potential risks for the u.s for u.s troops which is possibly a risk that this administration
08:20may not want to take as the u.s is really souring on the iran conflict and may not want
08:24to get
08:25themselves entangled in another julia jester thank you to ms now's josh einiger on what's expected to
08:31be a busy travel day at dallas fort worth international josh people are still flying despite high fuel
08:37prices that have translated to high ticket prices but what are you hearing from travelers
08:43yeah it's pretty surprising chris the demand has not changed all the airlines will tell you that
08:48it is busy and loud you can get sensory overload here on the tarmac at dallas fort worth international
08:52airport that plane just pushed back it's going to honolulu this just landed from maui and then it's
08:58going to venice later tonight and then if we circle over in this direction that plane is about to push
09:03back
09:03to boston it came in a little while ago from charlotte they have vastly different needs these
09:09planes when they get on the ground and it all has to be attended to from this bunker basically a
09:14tornado proof operation center a couple of miles away from here in fort worth where hundreds of
09:19american airline staffers are working to make sure this operation stays on point as best as they can we
09:25can show you video there of their integrated operation center they've actually come up with a new
09:28strategy here at dallas fort worth which is prone to summer storms of spreading their schedule out in
09:34hopes that that perhaps presents some more resiliency as the summer does heat up and then of course there's
09:40the question of jet fuel prices airfares across the board up an average around 21 percent this is all
09:46airlines but jet fuel is up over a hundred percent it's up to the airlines to make up that difference
09:52and as for demand american says it is going to be they think their strongest demand of a summer ever
10:02i think the important thing is the demand for travel is off the charts the demand we see this summer
10:09is bigger than last summer we're expecting 75 million people this summer to fly american right and so
10:17that has to tell us that people are still willing to put their dollar to an experience this summer right
10:29this is of course americans biggest hub they deal with maybe somewhere between 900 and a thousand
10:34departures a day double that because you have to account for arrivals they're talking about around
10:381800 flights they're dealing with just today and chris around the world during the summer season on average
10:45five american airline flights take off every minute chris and clearly some of them for honolulu and maui
10:55while the east coast gets drenched this weekend josh heinecker you had to say that thank you so much
11:01uh coming up in 90 seconds the new poll showing americans confidence in the economy taking a big
11:07nosedive as congress heads home until june
11:16the growing anger over the economy is giving impetus to lawmakers fighting against the president's 1.8
11:22billion dollar anti-weaponization fund a new poll shows only 16 percent of americans rate the economy
11:28as excellent or good 49 percent say it's poor and a whopping 76 percent think it's getting worse
11:36now a pair of bipartisan house lawmakers are putting out a bill to stop taxpayer money from enriching trump
11:42allies the members of congress the members of the senate they're talking to their constituents
11:49they're looking at poll numbers they see a november election season coming up and they realize they've
11:55got to be responsible to the people they represent or they're going to pay a price for it it's our
11:59job to
12:00try and build a consensus among our colleagues to work together and do the right thing here and
12:06the public is making that easier because they are starting to say the emperor has no clothes
12:12we have to do something about these things that are happening in washington dc
12:16joining me now democratic representative brendan boyle of pennsylvania ranking member of the house
12:21budget committee congressman good to see you happy memorial day so what happens now are you confident
12:28that lawmakers can put a stop to this so-called anti-weaponization fund well good to be with you
12:36you know you have to take a step back for a moment and think about the last almost 18 months
12:40that donald trump has again been president and what we have seen is time and time again most of my
12:47republican colleagues have just loyally um obsequiously gone along with whatever president trump demands of
12:55them and the few who have spoken out or not been with them 100 of the time president trump has
13:01gone
13:01after in republican primaries and has defeated so forgive me if i i will remain a little bit skeptical
13:08that when push comes to shove republicans really will finally and permanently stand up to this president
13:16when it comes to the outrageous slush fund for the criminals who assaulted over 140 capital police officers
13:24or the separate one billion dollars for trump's big beautiful ballroom well we saw house republicans
13:31abruptly canceling that vote to rein in trump's war in iran after it became clear that it was going to
13:36pass and essentially put an end to the war what do you think it's going to take in the case
13:41of this
13:41anti-weaponization fund and some of the other controversial moves the president has made recently
13:46you know it's amazing the power that just three house republicans could have or just three to four
13:54senate republicans could have on not just these matters that we've been discussing but any other matter
14:00of public policy that is all that it would take when you think about it it's actually a very small
14:06percentage
14:06of republican members of congress that really could make a crucial difference
14:11the problem we have specifically in the house though is of course as a majority rule body
14:17it is the speaker and republican leadership that is in control of the calendar so unless we have a few
14:24brave republicans willing to join us on a discharge petition we won't actually get a vote on the
14:30bipartisan piece of legislation uh that you just talked about moments ago in terms of stopping once and
14:36for all this ridiculous slush fund congressman boyle if you can stand by we have some breaking news and
14:42i'd like to get your reaction to it on the other side we have just learned that tulsi gabbard is
14:47resigning as the director of national intelligence ms now's jake trailer is following this for us from
14:53the white house what can you tell us jake yeah chris this is something we learned of moments ago
14:58according to a senior white house official as well as a senior administration official talking to ms now
15:03telling us that uh tulsi gabbard has resigned from her position as the director of the office
15:09the the director of national intelligence that is per a white house official and a senior
15:14administration official uh one white house official telling ms now the reasoning for that
15:19resignation is coming due to uh gabbard's attempt to support her husband as he battles a rare form of
15:26bone cancer we are working to learn the details of that resignation the timing of that as well
15:32i will note though just for a little bit of context there chris is uh there's been a lot of
15:36speculation around gabbard's involvement in the administration particularly around uh president
15:41trump and the white house's involvement in foreign relations in venezuela uh particularly in iran as
15:47this uh war has raged on for months now gabbard initially was a long-standing critic of any type of
15:54regime change wars globally her initial uh candidacy and the initial endorsement of president trump back
16:01in 2024 was centered around her continually saying president trump will not lead us into new wars and
16:07so there's been a lot of uh questioning and reporting around gabbard's involvement in this
16:12administration as it has uh continued and pursued war with iran over the past uh couple of months but
16:17as of now we know that her resignation is uh has been sent to the president's desk that he has
16:23been
16:23made aware of it and these two administration two administration officials are saying that this will
16:27come imminently uh we're still working to learn some of the details of this resignation some of the
16:32behind the scenes matter which we'll bring to you as soon as we get there chris jake thanks so much
16:37for that and certainly we wish um all the best to tulsi gabbard's husband as he fights a battle
16:42against as she put it an extremely rare form of bone cancer but uh brendan boyle if i can come
16:48back to you on this obviously the president's um intelligence team has been under fire recently that
16:54includes i think first and foremost cash patel and the fbi the members of the intelligence team
16:59we haven't talked about are the cia director the nsa director but i wonder what your reaction is
17:04um to a member of his intelligence team stepping down yeah well first uh chris i i share uh the
17:11sympathies you expressed uh to tulsi gabbard's uh husband having this apparently very rare form of
17:17of cancer so i i wish them both the best uh in terms of of this health matter um i
17:24served with tulsi
17:25gabbard in in the house of representatives uh for several terms uh although the member i served with
17:30uh in the house of representatives is almost a different person from uh the person who would
17:35ultimately join uh and endorse president trump and and join his cabinet um the thing that i remember
17:42even having personal conversations with her way back in 2016 when she was a co-chair of the bernie
17:48sanders for president campaign and she was attempting to get me to support uh bernie sanders and what i
17:55remember from this conversation is she was passionately against hillary clinton because and these were exact
18:00words i can she was saying uh quoting her i can't support hillary clinton because she will cause a war
18:08with iran and if there's one thing i'm committed to it's ensuring this country does not go to war with
18:14iran those were her exact words to me in in the members cloakroom uh some years ago and now here
18:20we
18:20are she is actually serving in the cabinet of the president who did launch a um war in iran a
18:28completely unnecessary war of choice uh it's unfortunate that that she never stood up and
18:35actually resigned as a matter of principle um so we shall see who replaces her uh given the track
18:42record of this administration i can't imagine it will be someone who will uh in any way be willing
18:48to stand up to this president on any matter yeah i was actually covering bernie sanders campaign and
18:54many a times she got in front of the microphone before he came to the podium and said exactly what
18:59she told you i wonder as we look at these times and obviously the the conversations about the war
19:06recently have always centered around the impact that it's had on the economy and and we talked about
19:12that poll confidence in the economy among republicans has dropped to its lowest point of trump's second
19:18term but confidence in democrats is dropping too can either party get back the confidence of the
19:24american people well for the first time i believe uh in 15 years we've seen a more americans now trust
19:32democrats on the economy than republicans that said i i'm pretty realistic about the challenge
19:37that we as democrats face as a party but i think now we have the best opportunity that we've had
19:44maybe in a decade and a half to finally talk to and address the economic concerns of the american
19:50people i think in these upcoming elections we as democrats need to do what this president is not
19:56doing and that is focus like a laser beam on the poor economic condition facing most american families
20:04and present a real agenda on what we will do to address it while this president's worried about
20:10billion dollar ballrooms and slush funds for criminals uh we democrats are actually talking
20:16about high gas prices high health care premiums high food costs and what we can do to finally bring
20:22down costs for the american people congressman brendan boyle thank you so much we appreciate you
20:29taking the time and responding to the breaking news with us have a happy memorial day with you and your
20:34family appreciate you coming on thank you you too i want to bring in mark polymeropolis who is on the
20:39phone for us he's an ms now national security and intelligence analyst and a former cia officer
20:43again mark the breaking news that jake has confirmed to us is that tulsi gabbard is resigning from her
20:50post as the director of national intelligence um i guess the the key question is in terms of where we
20:57are
20:57right now the intelligence community the war we're in and all of that what was her influence do we know
21:05well chris it was quite clear that she didn't enjoy something that's actually critical uh for
21:10any intel chief uh with the president and that's direct access you know she did not have president
21:15trump's ear um if you take a look at kind of recent major decisions that president trump had to make
21:20even
21:21photographs of the situation room or kind of that that key inner circle she wasn't there um in fact ci
21:27director john radcliffe was there and so she had lost total influence she did not have access to the
21:31president nor uh an ability to um you know provide him uh individual briefings uh thoughts assessments
21:39and so this is not a particular surprise and i think the congressman kind of noted it it best um
21:45as
21:46well just a couple minutes ago with the idea that ideologically she wasn't with the president either on
21:51iran so not a particular surprise um but really when you lose access when you lose the ability to see
21:57the
21:57president every day uh then your tenure as an intelligence chief is effectively over could this
22:04at all then impact intelligence gathering has have operations been going along as normal well on a very
22:12on a good note this should have actually no impact whatsoever um you know it's clear as you kind of
22:17look
22:17at the you know who's who in the intel world in the united states that the ci director radcliffe had
22:22the
22:23upper hand um and that means cia case officers overseas uh uh you know are still you know spotting
22:28assessing developing recruiting handling agents collecting uh critical intelligence um and so
22:34you know ultimately will not have uh any impact on kind of the day-to-day operational activity but
22:39it does kind of bring up another interesting point is you know what is the office of director of national
22:44intelligence the dni you know what does it do this is an office that was put into place after 9
22:49-11 to kind of
22:50uh you know fuse uh different intelligence agencies have more of a coordinating mechanism
22:54it grew quite large but actually it seems rather irrelevant now so i think think you'll also hear
22:59some calls in congress as well as whether that dni position even needs to exist because right now
23:05john rackliff the ci director certainly has the ear of the president and that's something that the
23:09president seems to you know uh seems to enjoy but when you look at it in the long term would
23:15it be a
23:15loss to eliminate the position of dmi i think it would not be a loss as long as some kind
23:21of
23:21coordinating mechanism uh can exist i mean you have you do have to bring all the different various
23:26intelligence agencies um uh together you know and particularly when they're conducting uh analytic
23:31assessments but you know that's something that that has been talked about within congress i think
23:35there's actually almost bipartisan support for that um uh as well but you know this this is really
23:40going to be just a story of an individual who had this kind of very interesting rise uh within u
23:47.s
23:47politics um certainly switched sides the republican side over to president trump but ultimately at the
23:53end of the day could never kind of kind of you know reconcile her opposition to ever uh invading
23:59iran to never-ending wars with trump going forward with it and again loss of access means you just have
24:04no more influence and you can't have the intelligence chief of the u.s government not in the same room
24:08with
24:09the president that was just an untenable situation i think probably a lot of people are breathing a
24:12sigh of relief um because this just was not working if you did have a dni who had some influence
24:19who had
24:20the ear of the president you might ask the question about what message this sends to allies or adversaries
24:24but i think maybe the big picture question right now is what is the view abroad particularly among our
24:30allies of u.s intelligence yeah that's a that's a great question particularly because of all the the you
24:38capers that actually tulsi gabbard was involved in which had to do with election appearance going
24:43to atlanta all those kind of strange things i think again uh you know our allies are going to try
24:49to
24:49figure out who are the ones to talk to on the u.s side it's obviously going to be the
24:52ci director
24:53ratcliffe um and you know uh ultimately there was there was certainly questions about um tulsi gabbard's
25:00allegiances too she was certainly she was seen as in essence pro-russian she had said a lot of things
25:05over the years that were seemed to be sympathetic towards moscow so i think there was a lot of
25:08distrust so i think you know ultimately when you take someone out of the equation someone who had
25:14been sympathetic even to let's go back not only to putin but also the former syrian president
25:18bashar al-assad there was a lot of controversy with her about her visit to damascus several years
25:23ago so i think our allies probably will see now is the the single individual in the u.s intelligence
25:28apparatus to talk to is the cia chief um uh and let's see if president trump you know nominates
25:33someone else to be the uh the director of national intelligence it's going to be very interesting
25:37because that's someone who will have to be confirmed chris and so you know does the
25:42administration really want to go through with this or perhaps they will elevate um someone to an acting
25:47role and that's certainly possible too aaron lucas is the the number two there and um a former cia
25:52officer so perhaps that individual will get elevated to the top position can you tell us anything
25:58about him uh you know someone who is not as well known uh throughout the government but someone who is
26:04a uh a former agency officer um uh you know it'll be interesting to see if uh if he ends
26:11up actually
26:12kind of attending the meetings um in the situation room in the oval office um that tulsi gabbard did
26:19not and i guess i think it's all a matter of trust and look at the end of the day
26:22while you want the
26:23intelligence chief to be someone who uh can tell truth to power um uh there's no doubt that if
26:29someone has kind of this visceral opposition to uh uh the iran war which tulsi gabbard certainly had
26:35i'm not sure if lucas has that same um you know feelings i would imagine probably not and if he
26:41was
26:41to continue on he's going to have to certainly uh have a different line than that and tulsi did
26:46mark polymeropolis thank you so much for that we're going to continue to follow this breaking news
26:50tulsi gabbard stepping down as the director of national intelligence we'll take a quick break
26:55and be back with more after this we are back with the breaking news that tulsi gabbard is resigning as
27:05the director of national intelligence we just got a copy of her resignation letter ms now's jake
27:10trailer is at the white house what did she have to say jake yeah chris we just obtained this
27:16resignation letter our colleague jackie alamini uh received it from senior administration official
27:21address to the president that details her resignation that'll be effective june 30th i'm
27:26not sure yet if we have the graphic but i want to read in part some of that resignation later
27:30that we
27:31just received uh tulsi the tulsi addresses the president saying dear mr president i am deeply grateful
27:37for the trust you placed in me and for the opportunity to lead the office of the director of national
27:41intelligence for the last year and a half she goes on to say unfortunately i must submit my
27:46resignation effective june 30th 2026 my husband abraham has recently been diagnosed with an
27:52extremely rare form of bone cancer he faces major challenges in the coming weeks and months
27:57at this time i must step away from public service to be by his side and fully support him through
28:03this
28:03battle she goes on to say that abraham has been her rock throughout her 11 years of marriage
28:07standing steadfast through her deployment to east africa on a joint special operations mission
28:12multiple political campaigns and now her service in her role uh his strength and love she goes on
28:18to say has sustained her throughout every challenge i cannot in good conscience ask him to face this
28:23fight alone while i continue in this demanding and time-consuming position while we have made
28:27significant progress at the odni advancing unprecedented transparency and restoring integrity to the
28:33intelligence community i recognize there's still important work to be done i am fully committed to
28:38ensuring a smooth and thorough transition over the coming weeks so that you and your team experience
28:42no disruption and leadership momentum thank you for your understanding during this deeply personal
28:47and difficult time for our family i will remain forever grateful to you and to the american people
28:52for the profound honor of serving our nation as director of national intelligence that's
28:57signatured and signed tulsi gabbard the director of national intelligence obviously there uh chris a heavy
29:03situation as we learn at the diagnosis of her husband and her attempt to help him in that process
29:08and the the notable thing there the resignation date being effective june 30th we have been told by
29:14white house officials a truth social post which is often the way the president communicates in real
29:18time especially in breaking news scenarios such as this he intends to post to true social shortly
29:23potentially there will be details there as to uh what the president is thinking moving ahead here
29:28following the resignation that'll be effective uh june 30th um and as we learn those details we'll
29:33bring them to you uh in real time chris but that is the official resignation later ms now has obtained
29:39from gabbert to president trump jake taylor thank you and often we do get information from the president
29:45of the united states on truth social let me bring in ms now national security reporter david road who is
29:50on the phone for us um i wonder david if i don't know if you had a chance to listen
29:54to mark molly
29:55maropoulos but he was talking about the fact that she did not have the presidency or when you saw
29:59pictures of critical meetings at critical times she was not there what can you tell us about the
30:05ways in which she seems to have had limited influence over the intelligence community for this
30:11administration um i i agree with mark that she had very limited um influence and i feel for director
30:19gabbard and her husband's is a terrible diagnosis um but in terms of what was happening there was a
30:25power struggle going on between cia director ratcliffe and gabbard and she lost that she lost that
30:31quite a while ago um director ratcliffe spends most of his time at the white house and in this
30:35administration face time with the president is critical he was seen as one of four or five key
30:41decision makers that that president trump he is seeing director ratcliffe that uh that the president
30:47trusts um just one broad point though i know mark and mark is an amazing uh servant of this country
30:54and and in the cia um there there will be a debate i think about whether to have a director
31:00of national
31:00intelligence um the cia sort of ruled the roost in terms of all the u.s intelligence agencies it was
31:05created after the failure of intelligence um and law enforcement um to to prevent the 9-11 attacks
31:13so there were very strong directors long before um tulsi gabbard so i'm not so sure that the director
31:20of national intelligence position will disappear at this point there is a view that we need to have
31:25we have 17 at least intelligence agency and the idea was that this director of national intelligence
31:30would coordinate all their information um that hadn't happened prior to the 9-11 attack so we'll see
31:36what happens but a tragedy for her family but you know she really had lost influence in the administration
31:42well let's talk a little bit about that being uh the director of national intelligence as you said
31:46came after 9-11 there was a clear need for coordination among intelligence agencies there was
31:51also a thought that there needed to be an office that could oversee things that there could be
31:55accountability um i guess the question is has it served a purpose or is it in the file of the
32:01department of redundancy department that is the argument that some people are making
32:07i think it has served a purpose and i i think um the u.s counter-terrorism effort after 9
32:13-11
32:14was effective there was no major al-qaeda attack there hasn't been there was no major al-qaeda attack
32:20you know in the initial 20 years since then it's been lone wolves um there has been incredibly
32:25strong coordination there's an amazing way that now the cia works very closely with special operations
32:30forces and all these groups al-qaeda has been you know greatly weakened and i think that's a success
32:37people see the wars in afghanistan and iraq and see them as failures and i think that's arguably true
32:42but they're you know al-qaeda was not able to carry out a large-scale attack and i think it
32:46was that was
32:47the work of the cia and the director of national intelligence um coordinating with the military that
32:52carried that out the problem was that i and there's a view look james clapper was the most recent
32:58director of national intelligence before pelsey gabbard um he got mired in trump accusations of
33:06being political he's denied that i've interviewed clap for many times myself we need apolitical
33:12directors of our intelligence agencies we need facts to drive the findings of our intelligence estimates
33:18was there an intelligence estimate that you know how quickly iran would capitulate before this war was
33:24launched um that that needs to be factual iran is not capitulated so that's just one example of
33:30why it's important to have apolitical heads of intelligence and someone coordinating all this
33:36information i'm going to put you on the spot and um and i apologize for that david but we just
33:42got this
33:42posting from um uh donald trump on truth social as was predicted by jake trailer um and i'm going to
33:49read
33:50it in full but it also talks about who's going to be taking over at least in the interim um
33:54for tulsi
33:55gabbard a guy named aaron lucas but let me read the posting unfortunately after having done a great
34:01job tulsi gabbard will be leaving the administration on june 30th her wonderful husband abraham has been
34:08recently diagnosed with a rare form of bone cancer and she rightfully wants to be with him bringing him
34:13back to good health as they currently fight a tough battle together i have no doubt he will soon be
34:18better
34:18than ever tulsi has done an incredible job and we will miss her her highly respected principal deputy
34:24director of national intelligence aaron lucas will serve as acting director of national intelligence
34:31president donald j trump he is a seasoned i'm looking at his bio but he's a seasoned intelligence
34:38professional uh former cia chief of station do you know anything else about him can you give us any
34:44more insights into this guy aaron lucas i'm looking now i mean he was confirmed by the senate in a
34:51sort
34:51of party line vote um but there was um i think he is experienced and i want to give him
34:57a chance i don't
34:58i don't know him specifically in his background very well and i i again i sort of agree with mark
35:03here the
35:03key player in all this is going to be john ratcliffe so there'll be um someone in that position but
35:10one of the problems is that another key um person the director of the national counterintelligence
35:15center uh resigned um because in opposition to the war um with iraq so you now have no senate confirmed
35:25director of national intelligence um you'll have an acting in that position and the nctc
35:32uh position is empty as well so it's not great to have uh joe kent had resigned from the position
35:40of
35:40national the director of the national counterterrorism center that is underneath um uh the odni that's
35:47underneath gabbard's old office so this kind of vacancy and changes while the u.s is at war um you
35:54know
35:54is not great and i i want to re-emphasize there should have been an intelligence assessment how
36:00would iran respond to being bombed would iran try to seize control as straight or moves and i'm just
36:05saying this for viewers and that has to be an incredibly factual rigorous assessment not based
36:12on politics or or you know the wishes of the president frankly it's important for intelligence
36:17analysts to speak truth to power because there was a mistake in this war we didn't seem to anticipate
36:24that iran would close the strait of hormuz and you know you've now had this conflict drag on for
36:30nearly three months and a global energy crisis so that's why having stability and non-partisan
36:37people in these jobs is so important and the resulting economic crisis that is being felt
36:42across the globe david road thank you for that let me bring in former california democratic congressman
36:47jane harman on the phone for us she was ranking member of the house intelligence committee and
36:52if i can let me just get you to weigh in on what is clearly going to be a conversation
36:58a debate in
37:00the coming hours and days and that is whether the position of dni should even exist weigh in on that
37:05for us for starters i'm happy to do that i was a principal co-author of the law that set
37:12up the dni
37:13in 2004 with uh senator susan collins uh it was a project we had had two massive intelligence failures
37:21uh 9 11 and then the intelligence uh as it was on iraq which was a stake and a bad
37:29war but at any rate
37:30uh the whole idea of it was to model it after goldwater nichols which is the law that has organized
37:37the
37:37pentagon and made all the fighting services into one uh command under the chairman of the joint chief
37:43staff and we did this across more agencies and the results were good for a while um but in recent
37:50years
37:51this is not just the trump administration the position has become bloated and isn't really
37:56effective as it needs to be i think it would be a colossal mistake to about
38:05the management of the cia the cia has enough to do without this and i worry deeply
38:15of the top levels of the cia and we are very vulnerable uh to again uh to missing clues and
38:24possibly having a two-gen attack possibly cyber but maybe otherwise uh something
38:32like 9 11 i was there and that's a movie we cannot see again so let's talk then about um
38:39who
38:39would be a possible we know we know who is going to be filling in aaron lucas um who again
38:44is described
38:45on official communications as a seasoned intel professional former cia chief of station um he is
38:53a former chief of staff at the office of the director of national intelligence key role they say in
38:58odni organizational management and reform and so he's got about 20 years experience in the intelligence
39:04community but what is the kind of person you think could be an effective director of national
39:10intelligence and could that person get through a confirmation process what would that look like
39:16well i don't know um i was dismissed personally when my firm
39:24anyways uh experiment of house intelligence committee i'm not um criticizing uh current
39:36um uh could be confirmed i mean we don't have a minute to waste here and we have hollowed out
39:43our
39:43intelligence agencies at the top with the exception of the cia and the fact that there's no uh confirmed
39:49head of the ncpc the national is really really worrisome so uh i don't i uh i would like this
39:59to be a
39:59priority i would like it not to be true that there was any intention here um not to have confident
40:05heads
40:09uh but i think we have gone a long while without having someone of the caliber we need as head
40:15of
40:16uh uh director of national intelligence since uh jane harman thank you so much for that sorry we had
40:24some technical difficulties with getting a clear phone signal we're going to take a break and be back
40:28with more about the resignation of tulsi gabbard as the director of national intelligence after this
40:39we are back with that breaking news on the resignation of director of national intelligence
40:43tulsi gabbard members of congress are starting to weigh in i want to bring back ms now it's michael
40:48schnell what are we hearing from folks on the hill yeah chris some early reaction from members
40:53of congress largely breaking along party lines at this moment i'll first read to you what some
40:57republicans are saying we have heard from senator tom cotton he's the chairman of the senate
41:01intelligence committee he writes on x quote i thank tulsi gabbard for her service in this
41:06administration and in uniform and i wish her the very best as she supports her husband abe in his
41:11battle with cancer please join me in sending them prayers for a full and fast recovery chris we've also
41:16heard from senator chuck grassley the chairman of the senate judiciary committee he writes on x quote
41:21i'm sorry to see tulsi gabbard leave president trump's cabinet but she's putting family first she did a lot
41:27of good work importantly gabbard was most helpful to me in document production declassification for
41:32important oversight and transparency for the american people and pushing back on the deep state we've
41:37also heard chris from congressman shrie thanadar he is a democrat from michigan writing quote tulsi gabbard
41:43is resigning good riddance the iran war has been the biggest display of intelligence and competence
41:48in decades so as you can see right there this early reaction largely breaking along party lines republicans
41:54wishing her well thanking her for her service democrats taking a sigh of relief that she is no
41:59longer in office it'll certainly be interesting to see more reaction particularly from republicans
42:04as this news circulates a little bit more tulsi gabbard was confirmed in a 52 to 48 vote um by
42:11the
42:11senate with just one republican breaking ranks and not supporting her that was senator mitch mcconnell the
42:17former senate majority leader mitch mcconnell had raised concerns about tulsi gabbard's refusal to condemn
42:23edward snowden and call him a traitor he was of course the person who had leaked those classified
42:28documents about u.s surveillance programs globally there was also some republican concerns during her
42:34confirmation process about tulsi gabbard's flip-flop when it came to 70 section 702 of the foreign
42:40intelligence surveillance act this is a program known as fisa up here on capitol hill that allows the
42:46u.s to spy on individuals who are outside the u.s foreign individuals um tulsi gabbard when she was
42:52a member
42:53of the house had introduced legislation to end faiza but then ashley was going through her
42:58confirmation process she said that she was supportive of faiza calling it crucial vital and a unique
43:03capability so again in the end despite some of these republican concerns and skepticism about her being in
43:10the cabinet most it all except for mitch mcconnell had ended up supporting her there were some questions
43:16about how much influence she had as the iran war started um there were some questions of whether she was
43:21even supportive of it at all especially after joe kent um one of her teammates had resigned so
43:26certainly some big news that will reverberate up on capitol hill after again especially her
43:32confirmation process didn't get as much attention as being contentious because other folks like pete
43:37hegseth and cash patel sort of were taking up all the oxygen at that point but there were certainly
43:41some republican skepticism at the time in the end most supported her we'll have to see what folks have
43:47to say now that she is no longer serving in the cabinet michael schnell thank you for that i want
43:52to bring in colonel jack jacobs on the phone for he is a retired u.s army colonel a medal
43:57of honor
43:57recipient and an ms now military analyst so um jack i don't know if you had a chance to hear
44:03but um
44:04michael was just talking about a democratic member of congress who suggested that she showed intelligence
44:10incompetence some of the worst in decades related to the iran war um the role of intelligence when you
44:17are in a time of war and i suppose um history may tell us whether or not this was a
44:24level of
44:25intelligence incompetence or a level of ignoring what was out there that they knew and went into the
44:31war anyway but if you can speak to the importance of the role that the director of national intelligence
44:37plays well it's very interesting i remember that the the post of the director of national intelligence
44:43was created after the 9 11 uh catastrophe uh when the congress decided that what we needed was a
44:50director of national intelligence to coordinate all activity intelligence activities the interesting
44:56thing is that i think by statute the director of the cia was at the time designated as the director
45:06of
45:06national intelligence so what what the uh what the law did was create another level above that in
45:14theory to coordinate all the intelligence activities in the uh in the executive branch and then to be able
45:22to present some sort of coherent uh intelligence estimates and recommendations to the national command
45:29authority so what is the value of that jack in a time of war right now in real time as
45:36we
45:36continue to be at war with iran well it means that we if we have large numbers uh large amounts
45:45of
45:45information coming from a wide variety of places a wide variety of intelligence activities that they in
45:53theory can be coordinated into some some sort of coherence so that the president and the defense
46:00department can make intelligent national security choices but what's happened here of course is that
46:06there's two things first you've created another level of bureaucracy second it's questionable whether or
46:15not whatever intelligence is developed um the the director of national intelligence can impose
46:23that person's will on the national command authority so let's say that the director of national intelligence
46:32before we attacked iran uh presented all the possible options uh the advantages and disadvantages
46:41of every course of action that made sense and made a recommendation of some kind and it was ignored um
46:50it's very difficult to pin blame on
46:52uh in this whole thing uh in this whole thing but it's difficult to envision that uh seasoned
46:58intelligence professionals would completely ignore uh the capabilities and intentions of iran
47:07whom we've been watching very closely since 1979 and not suggest that iran had the capability of
47:16closing the strait of hormuz attacking american military installations in the region and so on and that
47:23uh a continued bombing campaign uh would not do anything to change the regime inside iran it's hard to
47:32envision that the intelligence apparatus would not have said all of that and that therefore one can
47:40conclude that the whatever recommendations were made were probably ignored colonel jack jacobs thank you for
47:48joining us with this breaking news that's going to do it for us this hour but our coverage our
47:52breaking news coverage will continue with katie ter reports next
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