00:00I think it's appalling. The court opens a huge can of worms here.
00:04They've given a government-funded, taxpayer-funded body the right to interfere with the aims and objectives of political parties.
00:10That's not just an attack on us, it's an attack potentially on any political party.
00:14It's a very bad day for democracy from that point of view.
00:17It's about abiding by the law, though, isn't it?
00:20Yes, indeed. It's a matter of abiding by the law, about non-discrimination, not upsetting people.
00:24Imagine, for instance, someone sets up a party to stop ritual slaughter of animals.
00:30And then Muslims say, that offends us, so the Commission for Equality will take action against that party.
00:35There's all sorts of parties that could be formed.
00:37A pro-abortion party and a group of Catholics say, that's awful, it offends us, we want action against it.
00:43That's the door that's been opened through this judgment, and it's very wrong.
00:46Well, let's talk about your party rather than imaginary ones.
00:49The judges made it clear that you haven't changed your constitution sufficiently,
00:54and that as it stands, there is still indirect discrimination. Do you accept that?
00:58Well, I don't accept it, but that was the position that the judges' judgment handed down.
01:03It's already changed. I have the power under the new constitution, which we passed several weeks ago,
01:07to make those changes. I've detached the parts of our principles which we didn't like
01:11from conditions for membership, so we are open for business,
01:14and our call centre is phoning people right now, taking new memberships. We're open.
01:17But why didn't you make that change straight away in that case?
01:20Because we thought we'd complied with the law, especially the coming Equality Act.
01:25We couldn't conceive of the idea that saying that a party wants to stop and reverse the tide of immigration
01:32is discriminatory. It's an amazing thought, but that's what the judges ruled.
01:36So we still believe, we're still here to stop and reverse the tide of immigration,
01:40but you don't have to agree with that to be a member of the British National Party.
01:45One thing that the judge highlighted was this approach whereby if somebody applies to become a member of your party,
01:51there's this male and female member who go and conduct a two-hour-long interview with this person.
01:56What on earth do you need to ask them for two hours?
01:58Well, up to two hours. It's really something we do anyway. It's a best practice thing.
02:02You go and meet a new member and make them welcome and so on.
02:04Obviously, it's a man and a woman, so you can't have two men. You're going to see a woman.
02:08It's an entirely normal thing, especially when we've got people like a commissioner for the Equality Commission,
02:13Simon Woolley, who runs Operation Black Vote, saying that he's going to try and join us in order to disrupt
02:18the party.
02:19We've got simply, in modern terms, a health and safety responsibility to protect our members,
02:24and one of the ways of doing that, ideally, would be to find out what kind of people are joining.
02:29But the judge has made its decision. I have to abide by that.
02:32So, again, I'm detaching that, that you don't have to agree to a home visit in order to be a
02:37member of the BNP.
02:38But I think most people will, but if they don't, that's a matter of their choice now.
02:41Going back to the point about indirect discrimination, on your website, and I looked at this this morning,
02:47you write things like, given current demographic trends, we, the indigenous British people,
02:53will become an ethnic minority in our own country well within 60 years, and most likely sooner.
02:57That's one point you make.
02:58You also say, we will abolish the positive discrimination schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens.
03:05In other words, you are still seeing things in terms of race, aren't you?
03:08No. You can't pick up a government census form without being forced to say, are you white British?
03:14This isn't our terminology. This is the terminology of the government.
03:17Well, it's on your website.
03:18Yes, but we're using that because everybody understands it.
03:21The word indigenous is a bit of a mouthful.
03:23It's what we mean, but white British, black British, and so on,
03:27they're absolutely ordinary terms in everyday use.
03:29The police use them, the Equality Commission use them, the government statistics use them.
03:32So, you don't blame us, it's their terminology, not ours.
03:36Yes, but you're talking about white Britons suffering positive discrimination against them
03:40and making them second-class citizens.
03:42Because they do, that's the whole point.
03:44This government, the Tory government before them, the whole political elite,
03:47has made the British people, who in their terminology and understood terminology are white,
03:52they have made us second-class citizens,
03:54and now they're trying to persecute us for pointing it out and saying it's time to stop.
03:57So, let's take a look.
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