00:00Ipinakilala na ng House Prosecution Panel ang first batch ng private prosecutors
00:05na makakasama po nila sa impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte.
00:09Kausapin po natin ngayon ang isa sa miyembro nito na si Atty. Lorna Capunan.
00:14Magandang umaga at welcome po, ma'am, sa Balitang Hali.
00:18Magandang-magandang umaga sa iyo, Ma'am Pony, at sa lahat ng mga nanonood at makikinig sa program.
00:24Opo. Atty, paano niyo po napagpasyahan na maging bahagi po ng private prosecution panel
00:29sa impeachment complaint ni Vice President Duterte?
00:33Alam mo, since last year, involved na co-watch on my law firm on the impeachment complaint,
00:40failed impeachment complaint last year.
00:42And tumulong rin naman kami.
00:45We were also sought for assistance itong House Committee on Justice.
00:52So, tuloy-tuloy ang pagtulong natin sa mga public prosecutors.
00:56Hindi lang ako, mga ibang law firms, kanyang may first batch na announcement,
01:01may second batch, baka may third batch pa yan.
01:04Ah, I see.
01:05Ang inuna muna yung tatlong law firm, may law firm, Kapunan ng Tostilio,
01:11actually, bilang lima, no?
01:14Sampo kami nun, no?
01:16So, yung impeachment, no?
01:18Then, yung PECA bar, tsaka yung libutan law offices.
01:23I see. Marami-rami rin po na pala ko.
01:25Ano ko ang magiging saklaw ng inyong trabaho bilang private prosecutor, ma'am?
01:31In order not, pati dito sa impeachment court,
01:35eh, ang private prosecutors ko ay under the control and the supervision of the public prosecutors.
01:41So, kung anong gusto nilang pagawa sa amin,
01:44whether it's research or update on the rules of evidence,
01:47kasi po, nung nag-aaral sila kami ng rules of evidence,
01:51luma na yun, ano?
01:52So, there are, there is a new rules of evidence, 2000, at 2020, at pinag-aaralan nito.
02:01So, including jurisprudence, yung mga bagong kaso ng Supreme Court.
02:06So, in terms of legal arguments, eh, assisting po ang private prosecutors.
02:12Sa trial rin, pwede din, decision rin nila kung silang gusto mag,
02:16ah, sa direct examination or cross-examination,
02:21ah, depende sa comfort level ng public prosecutors,
02:25pwede din nila i-delegate sa mga private prosecutors.
02:28Okay.
02:28Yung pag-present ng witness on direct examination or cross-examination.
02:34Okay. So, masasabi niyo po bang sapat at matibay yung mga ebidensyang nakalap na po
02:39ng House Prosecution Panel laban kay Vice President Duterte?
02:42Alam mo, very transparent ang evidence, no, both documentary at testimonial, no,
02:47kasi lumabas na yan.
02:49During the hearings on probable cause sa House Committee on Justice,
02:53eh, lumabas na yung mga witnesses,
02:56at lumabas yung mga documentary evidence,
02:59kanya nag-finding ang House Committee on Justice na
03:02there is sufficient grounds for probable cause.
03:07Okay.
03:07So, ah, pag, at nakita naman natin sa putohan sa plenary session,
03:12yan napakalaki, no, very unexpected,
03:15yung 257 endorsements ng plenary session ng House of Congress.
03:22So, ah, based on that,
03:26the strength of the prosecution witness,
03:28tsaka yung hindi nag-sinta ng evidence,
03:30si, ah, Vice President Sarah and her defense team,
03:36parang ganun din ang nangyari dito sa Senate proceedings,
03:41hindi rin nag-present ng,
03:44sa answer niya, illegal arguments pa rin,
03:47ang ina-answer niya, no.
03:49Sa, sa, kanyang, ngayon, napakalaga ngayon ng deadline.
03:56Ang deadline ngayon,
03:57the deadline based on the notice of pre-trial is,
04:00na pinirmahan ng, ah,
04:03Senate Majority Head,
04:05si Senator Wynne Gatchelian,
04:07nakatanggap po kami ng notice of pre-trial,
04:10ah, for filing of pre-trial gifts,
04:13eh, due po yan today.
04:15So, so, malalaman po natin
04:18kung magpa-file ng pre-trial brief
04:20si, ah,
04:22Vice President and the defense team,
04:24kung ano ang strategy nila, no.
04:27Baka,
04:29yun naman nila,
04:31yung, ah,
04:32legal arguments nila,
04:33no jurisdiction,
04:35one-year ban rule,
04:36ah,
04:38partiality daw ng House Committee on Justice,
04:41walang ultimate facts,
04:43nag-fishing expeditions,
04:44nag-mini-trial,
04:45yun ang mga linagay ng arguments sa answer.
04:49So,
04:50abangan po natin
04:51kung ano yung ilalagay nila sa pre-trial brief.
04:54Because in the pre-trial brief,
04:56ang order po sa notice of pre-trial,
04:59submission of pre-trial brief,
05:01is ilista,
05:02ilista ng both prosecution
05:04at defense,
05:06ang mga witnesses na ipapa,
05:09na is,
05:11we present sa trial.
05:12The witnesses,
05:13the documentary exhibits,
05:16in normal court proceedings,
05:19pag walang,
05:19pag walang list of,
05:23first of all,
05:24big question is,
05:25darating ba
05:26ang vice president,
05:29or is she just
05:30appearing through counsel.
05:31Kasi yung,
05:32yung pre-trial,
05:33nakalagay po sa pre-trial notice,
05:36na hindi po televised
05:37ang pre-trial.
05:39I see.
05:40Okay,
05:40posible ho bang maka-apekto
05:41sa impeachment trial
05:42ang hindi pa rin po
05:43nare-resolve
05:44ang sigalot po
05:45sa liderato ng Senado
05:46at bilang po
05:48ng mga senador
05:48na present sa plenario?
05:54Ang legal issue ngayon is,
05:57I'm sorry,
05:58can you repeat the question?
05:59Oo,
06:00maaari ho ba
06:02na maka-apekto ho
06:03yung kakulangan
06:04ng bilang pa rin
06:06ng mga senador
06:07dun sa plenario
06:08kung sa kasakali
06:09at yung sigalot po
06:10ng liderato pa rin
06:12ng Senado?
06:13Alam mo,
06:14ang legal position
06:15ng maraming legal scholars
06:16at in fact,
06:18very clearly
06:20in-explain it
06:21former Justice
06:23Tony Clarkville
06:25na ang constant lang,
06:27nakalagay sa Constitution,
06:29two-thirds
06:29of all the members
06:31of the Senate.
06:33Ang hindi mo papapalitan
06:35yung ibig sabihin
06:36ng two-thirds
06:37pero yung
06:38all the members
06:39of the Senate
06:40is subject to interpretation
06:42at ang interpretation,
06:44ang opinion ko
06:45at opinion
06:46ng mga maraming
06:47legal scholars
06:48pati yung mga deans
06:49ng law schools
06:50at mga former
06:51justices,
06:54eh,
06:54all of the members
06:56hindi kasama
06:57sa bilang
06:58yung
06:59hindi pwedeng
07:01mag-attend,
07:02yung tinatawag na
07:03under
07:03under suspension,
07:06preventive suspension,
07:07kasi pag-preventive suspension,
07:10kasi pag-preventive suspension,
07:11klaro-klaro po
07:11sa Plunder Laws natin,
07:14sa Anti-Grunt
07:15and to Rough Practices
07:16Act natin,
07:17if a public
07:18official
07:19in a pending
07:21case
07:21against that
07:22public
07:22official
07:23is,
07:24ah,
07:26there is a pending
07:27case,
07:28eh,
07:28ang penal,
07:29ang ano,
07:30ang public
07:31official
07:31is under
07:32preventive
07:33suspension.
07:34Ang ibig sabihin
07:35ng preventive
07:36suspension,
07:37eh,
07:38hindi pwedeng
07:38mag-attend.
07:40Hindi pwedeng
07:41mag-attend
07:42ng hearings
07:43kasi suspended
07:44na eh.
07:45O,
07:45hindi pwedeng
07:46mag-attend
07:47ng hearings
07:47at hindi
07:48pwedeng
07:49mag-participate
07:52kasi ang
07:53importante sa
07:54trial,
07:55eh,
07:56makita yung
07:56demeanor
07:57ng witness,
07:58marinig
07:58firsthand,
07:59yung evidence,
08:01yung testimonial
08:02evidence,
08:03at ma-examine
08:04yung mga
08:04dokumento,
08:06eh,
08:06pag-suspended
08:07siya,
08:08part of
08:08suspension
08:09means that
08:09you cannot
08:10go to
08:11office.
08:11Munang ibig
08:12sabihin ng
08:13suspension.
08:14Okay.
08:14So,
08:14dapat hindi
08:15pwedeng,
08:16hindi,
08:16hindi
08:17bilangin
08:18ngayon
08:18ang isang
08:20fugitive
08:20of justice,
08:21no,
08:22na si
08:22Bato,
08:23because
08:23hindi nga
08:24in the
08:24case of
08:25Avelino
08:25versus,
08:26ah,
08:27Avelino
08:28case,
08:29no,
08:29ah,
08:30eh,
08:31nakalagay
08:32doon,
08:32if you
08:32cannot
08:33be under
08:33the coercive
08:34powers of
08:35the Senate,
08:36hindi ka dapat
08:36kailangan
08:37sa bilang.
08:39Okay.
08:40Alright.
08:41So,
08:41ang sinasabi ko,
08:43kung yung
08:44two-thirds,
08:44it should be
08:45two-thirds
08:46of 24
08:48minus two,
08:49kung meron
08:50pang susunod
08:51na isi-suspend
08:52o pa-firing
08:54ng
08:54cases
08:55sa
08:55umbugsman
08:56under the
08:57plunder
08:57laws
08:57or the
08:58anti-graph
08:58interruption
08:59laws,
09:00pag suspended
09:01yan,
09:01dapat hindi
09:02kailangan
09:03sa
09:03bilang
09:05ng
09:05all of
09:06the members.
09:06Okay,
09:09but,
09:09according to
09:10Senator
09:10Panfiro
09:11Laxon,
09:12hinihikait niya
09:12na sana po
09:13pwedeng
09:13makakuha po
09:14ng court
09:15order
09:15yung mga
09:16mawawala
09:17dun sa
09:18plenario
09:18dahil sa
09:18kanilang mga
09:19kaso.
09:19Do you agree,
09:20ma'am?
09:21Hindi po.
09:22With all
09:23due respect
09:24to
09:24Senator
09:25Laxon,
09:26it is
09:26very clear
09:27in our
09:28anti-graph
09:30interruption
09:30practices
09:31act,
09:32yung
09:32Republic
09:33Act
09:333019
09:35at
09:36very
09:37clear
09:37rin
09:37sa
09:38plunder
09:38act
09:38natin,
09:39yung
09:39Republic
09:39Act
09:407080
09:41if
09:42official
09:43is charged
09:44in court,
09:46preventive
09:46suspension
09:47na yan.
09:48So,
09:49klaro-klaro
09:50na dapat
09:52preventive
09:53suspension
09:53ka,
09:54hindi ka
09:55makakaparticipate.
09:56Yung sinasabi
09:57na leave
09:58of court
09:59para mag-attend
09:59dyan,
10:00eh,
10:01hindi po
10:02tama yan.
10:03Alright.
10:04Marami pong
10:04salamat
10:05sa inyo pong
10:05oras na ibinahagi
10:06dito sa
10:06Balitanghali,
10:07attorney.
10:08Thank you so
10:09much,
10:09at mag-uwi
10:10tayo lahat
10:10dyan.
10:11Yan po
10:11naman
10:11si
10:12attorney
10:12Lorna
10:13Capunan.
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