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00:04President Obama has arrived in the UK for a three-day visit during which he'll make the case
00:08for the UK staying in the European Union. Leave campaigners have said he should butt out of the
00:13debate. We were in a very tough fight and a tough fight in which we felt the economy was the
00:22most
00:22important issue. Obama was very keen Britain should stay in the EU. He thought it made us
00:28stronger, safer and better off, to coin a phrase. He said, you know, well, what can I do to help?
00:34You'd notice that a lot of the arguments for Brexit were just crazy. I mean, false. I mean,
00:39they were lies. I said, well, one argument they're making is that there's going to be this easy trade
00:43deal in the United States if we tear up our trade deals with Europe. And he says, well, that's
00:48obviously nonsense. Obama said, you know, you guys would be, you know, at the back of the queue,
00:54you know, kind of as a joke in a way. And everybody's kind of chuckled. He said, do you
00:59think it'd be helpful if I said that? And I said, yeah, I think it will be helpful because it's
01:03going
01:04to puncture this Brexit myth. Some of the folks on the other side have been ascribing to the United
01:14States. Certain actions we'll take if the UK does leave the EU. And we were all in the campaign
01:22gathered around the television set, you know, dozens of us all, you know, in silent anticipation.
01:29I figured you might want to hear from the president of the United States what I think the United
01:33States is going to do. And UK is going to be in the back of the queue. Huge cheer went
01:39up when Obama
01:41said this. And we thought, wow, we've done it. He's clinched it. He's made the argument in one fell
01:47swoop. I was in the back of a black cab and I was following on Twitter what was the reaction
01:55to
01:56Obama's comments. And then the cab driver pulled his window back and he was listening to the same
02:04story on the radio. Are you hearing this, governor? Back in the queue. That's not very friendly, is it?
02:09I bet you won't be the back of the queue when they need another ally for the next bloody war.
02:13British people hate being told what to do by people who don't have any skin in the game.
02:20It was a reminder of how the Westminster bubble was just talking to itself.
02:36The vote to leave the European Union changed the course of British history.
02:42Ten years on, this is the story of how it happened, told by those inside the campaigns.
02:49I love that bus. I love that bus. It was a bus of truth, by the way.
02:52We had sort of entered the post-truth age of political campaigns.
02:57Johnson, you're a liar.
02:59From about two weeks before, I said, I think this thing's going to go down.
03:05Let's make June the 23rd, 2016, Independence Day. Let's do it.
03:27With just four months to go until the referendum, the British media had one obsession.
03:33Would Boris Johnson campaign to stay in or leave the EU?
03:39I was at our house in Colbert Row, and as the day went by, more and more press were gathering
03:50outside.
03:51So what starts as a sort of low hum becomes much, much louder.
03:59I arrived back at our house in Islington to find the whole place absolutely swarming with representatives of, you know,
04:10TV, journalists, everybody was there.
04:14I remember it being incredibly stressful, just not being able to control this press presence.
04:25I felt under huge pressure, emotional, psychological pressure, to come up with a decision.
04:33He walked over to me, stared me in the face, and he said, what do you think I should do?
04:38And I looked at him, and I said, what do you think, what do I think you should do?
04:43I said, you've got to be effing joking.
04:45I said, you know, I'm just the guy that smokes fags outside and does your briefing, right?
04:50The decision is yours to make, and no one else's.
04:54And there was a bit of harumphing, and he looked at me, and he just went, you're right, let's do
05:00it.
05:00In order to psych myself up for the ordeal of talking to the media, which I don't want to do,
05:06but they're all outside the house, and they won't go away.
05:12Anyway, I do some press-ups in the hope of getting some, you know, endorphins or something, so that I
05:17can kind of, you know...
05:18We were heading to the door, and I said, hang on, have you let Dave know the decision?
05:23And he was like, oh, Christ, Cameron, let me text him, let me text him.
05:26Text Dave, a slightly emollient text, you know, trying to sort of cheer him up, saying that I'm sure we'll
05:33lose anyway, but there you go.
05:35This is what I have to do.
05:40It was such a Boris phrase, saying, I know that Brexit will be crushed like the toad under the harrow,
05:47but I feel I have to support it.
05:49Hi there, hi there.
05:50The last thing I wanted was to go against David Cameron or the government.
05:57But after a great deal of heartache, I don't think there's anything else I can do.
06:01I will be advocating vote leave, or whatever the team is called.
06:05I thought it was a brave thing to do, and rather idealistic in a way.
06:12None of us knew what was going to happen, and it was a leap in the dark.
06:17Anyone would think he likes the attention, love him or loathe him.
06:21You can't ignore him.
06:22Boris Johnson has just taken a huge political jump that could change this campaign.
06:27Look, it was a big blow.
06:29He had the, you know, a high favourability rating.
06:32He was listened to on this issue.
06:34It was going to make a massive difference in the campaign.
06:39The next day, Cameron prepared to launch the referendum campaign in Parliament,
06:45knowing his most dangerous opponent was now on his own backbenches.
06:51I don't think, at that point, he really believed in it.
06:54He believed it was going to lose.
06:56But he thought he was on a sort of bet to nothing by supporting leave,
07:03because he would be, you know, a sort of patriotic hero.
07:07I remember thinking it was nothing to do with the EU, Britain's place in the world,
07:14the single market.
07:15It was Game of Thrones.
07:16That's what Boris Johnson was playing,
07:18and he could see the Iron Throne right there, about to be vacated.
07:21Order, statement, the Prime Minister.
07:25Thank you, Mr Speaker.
07:27We are a great country, and whatever choice we make, we will still be great.
07:32But I believe the choice is between being an even greater Britain
07:36inside a reformed EU, or a great leap into the unknown.
07:41So in the statement, there were some very, very clear barbs there,
07:44which were designed to put the idea about that Boris Johnson,
07:48maybe he's just positioning himself so that he can get the keys to number 10
07:52when it's all done.
07:53And Mr Speaker, let me end by saying this.
07:56I am not standing for re-election.
07:59I have no other agenda.
08:02I have no other agenda than what is best for our country.
08:05It was clear that the attack on our campaign was going to be personal,
08:12and that the way they were going to try to defeat the arguments for leave
08:15was by playing the man, not the ball.
08:21It wasn't just the Conservatives who were divided.
08:25Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn was preparing to give his first speech of the campaign.
08:30Jeremy wanted to use that speech to set out his own personal development
08:39on the issue of the EU, because he was constantly being attacked
08:43for being a closet Eurosceptic.
08:47I was under a lot of questions all the time about it,
08:51and so I thought it's important that we actually stop this question
08:54of sort of corridor conversations the whole time with everybody.
08:58We sent the draft to him that was very clear,
09:01that's why I want Britain to remain in the European Union.
09:08And it would come back amended to that's why Labour
09:11wants Britain to remain in the European Union.
09:15Changed it around quite a bit, actually.
09:17Well, they're very keen on I.
09:19I'm not.
09:21There's no I in Corbyn.
09:23We.
09:24I was trying to present we as the campaign,
09:28we as the party, we as the movement.
09:36It's now a crucial democratic opportunity
09:39for people to have their say on our country's future
09:43and the future of our continent as a whole.
09:46As Alan explained, the Labour Party is overwhelmingly staying in.
09:51And I thought, well, at the end of the day,
09:55this guy is never going to give his whole heart support here.
09:58A lot of people saw the referendum as a cipher
10:02for their own anger at their life in our society.
10:08Going around and telling them to vote for the EU,
10:10which is trying to bring in more free market economics,
10:13isn't going to work and isn't going to cut it.
10:25With two months to go,
10:27Cameron sent out his troops to launch the government's campaign.
10:33So the four of us walked out into this big manufacturing hall
10:37with podiums lined up one after the other.
10:40The riflemen at the front of the battle.
10:42It was a big moment for us because it was us launching the number
10:47that we could then put on billboards and put in the adverts
10:50and put in the leaflets that would go around the country.
10:53The Treasury has run the numbers.
10:55Liz Truss wasn't Liz Truss then.
10:58She was one of the team on Remain.
11:13It was very clear in the EU referendum
11:17that people emotionally were quite attached to the idea of independence
11:21and standing up for Britain and being against Europe.
11:26But the thing that concerned them, those people,
11:30was the economic cost, the risk.
11:32The central estimate is that in the long run,
11:35GDP would be over 6% smaller
11:38and Britain would be worse off by £4,300 per household.
11:43It was all over the focus groups.
11:44And it went down like a bucket of cold sick.
11:49Why isn't 4,250 or 4,150?
11:52They said, how could you possibly know?
11:53Which, by the way, is a good question.
11:56This equation that's in the 200-page Treasury document,
11:58which comes to the conclusion that if Britain votes
12:00to leave the European Union,
12:01it will cost each and every household £4,300.
12:04You can't sit down with them and say,
12:06well, let us explain our economic modelling to you.
12:08Do you have Excel on your computer?
12:10I mean, you know, you can't do that.
12:13Try and say that out loud, because I'm not sure I could do that.
12:17It's... Oh, my God.
12:18Get your glasses on. Really? Yes!
12:29I went back to the team and I said,
12:31it's very simple, guys.
12:32We are never using the words £4,300 ever again.
12:37The Treasury got a real bashing,
12:39and I got a real bashing.
12:41But this is how we'd won the last general election.
12:44This is how Tony Blair and Margaret Thatcher
12:46had won elections in the decades before us.
12:48If we vote to leave on the 23rd of June,
12:52we will be voting for higher prices.
13:02Vote Leave had produced their own figure.
13:07The point of using that really was to try and...
13:12to try and drive the Remain campaign
13:14and people running it crazy.
13:16Probably one of the happiest moments of the campaign
13:18was when it was all agreed
13:20and just knowing how certain people were going to react
13:24when we used the £350 million figure.
13:28Essentially, you have a powerful government
13:30that just won the election
13:31and had a very powerful ability
13:34to control how the media reported the campaign.
13:41Vote Leave now had their messenger.
13:43Can we do it?
13:45Yes!
13:45Yes!
13:46I think we can!
13:47And to attract non-Tory voters,
13:50Labour's most prominent Brexiteer, Gisela Stewart,
13:54was sent around the country with him.
13:56Vote Leave!
13:57Vote Leave!
13:57Vote Leave!
13:58Vote Leave!
14:00I had the first experience of what it's out to campaign
14:03with someone like Boris Johnson.
14:06Vote!
14:08Vote!
14:09Vote!
14:10Vote!
14:10Vote!
14:10Vote!
14:11Vote!
14:14Vote!
14:18Vote!
14:19Vote!
14:21Vote!
14:21Vote!
14:22Vote!
14:23You almost got the sense that Boris's presence
14:26gave people permission to be enthusiastic about something
14:31which they were told by everybody else
14:33they should not be enthusiastic about.
14:35Thank you, thank you very much.
14:43Cameras were there, we are given ice cream.
14:46At that moment I start to panic
14:48because ice cream has a habit of dripping.
14:51A woman in the crowd just stepped out and said,
14:54Mr Johnson, can I eat your ice cream?
14:56Come on, you have the whole thing.
14:59There you go.
15:00It's a delicious ice cream.
15:02So these were the days
15:03when people were still so loving and trusting
15:07as to take an ice cream from my hands
15:09and eat it.
15:11So it was wonderful.
15:17Boris had sort of chuckled nervously
15:19over the fact that the 350 million,
15:21we send the EU 350 million a week,
15:23was plastered on the side of the bus.
15:26And I think he was like,
15:27how are we going to defend this?
15:29Let's deal with your arguments.
15:30One of them is on the side of this bus.
15:32We send 350 million to Europe.
15:34We don't.
15:35And you know we don't.
15:36No, we don't.
15:36Yes, it is.
15:37No, it's not.
15:37Yes, it is.
15:38No, it's not.
15:38Like some comedy caper on the bus.
15:40Admit that that figure
15:41is grotesquely misleading at best.
15:43I won't.
15:44I won't.
15:45I won't.
15:45Dominic's view when we raised it with him
15:47was simply,
15:49just let them keep raising the issue.
15:51You're wandering around this country
15:52with a dirty great lie on the side of your bus.
15:54No, no, no.
15:54Because that gross figure
15:55is the right figure.
15:56Because if they say
15:58it's not 350 million,
15:59it's 170 million.
16:01Anyone at home
16:02is just going to be looking
16:02and thinking
16:03170 million quid a week.
16:05That's a fuck of a lot of money.
16:06This bus has a lot of miles
16:08to travel in the coming weeks.
16:09There's a lot of debates
16:10we had on both sides.
16:12Tamsin Melville,
16:13BBC Spotlight,
16:14St. Austell.
16:15I remember having a conversation
16:16with the BBC
16:17and saying,
16:17every single interview you do,
16:19every single piece of film
16:22that you use
16:22has got this in it.
16:24It's full throttle
16:25for the Leave campaign.
16:28You are allowing them
16:30to put their campaign message across
16:31that is not true
16:33over and over
16:34and over again.
16:36And I remember the person
16:37at the BBC
16:37just sort of like
16:38shrugging their shoulders
16:39and saying,
16:40what do you expect me
16:41to do about it?
16:42You used to see
16:43Boris Johnson attempting
16:44to angle grind it
16:45into oblivion.
16:52Nigel Farage
16:53was determined
16:54not to let Boris Johnson
16:55steal the show.
16:57He was running
16:58a separate Leave campaign
16:59and took his own bus
17:01and message
17:02on tour
17:03around the country.
17:05Boris comes out
17:06and says,
17:07yeah,
17:07you know,
17:08I'm going to embrace
17:09Leave.
17:10And I said,
17:11well, thank goodness for that.
17:12He'll help get us
17:12over the line.
17:15But never for one moment
17:16did I think
17:16I could step back.
17:18I'd already been
17:18on this journey
17:20for well over 20 years.
17:23So we did it
17:24with a bit of noise.
17:25We did it
17:26with a bit of colour.
17:30Do you like
17:30the theme tune,
17:31The Great Escape?
17:33Because that's
17:33what we've got to do,
17:34isn't it?
17:34We've got to escape.
17:36Who do you think
17:36came up with the idea?
17:38Nigel.
17:39He's a pantomime
17:40vaudeville act.
17:41Are you voting
17:42for Brexit, sir?
17:44Tell me why.
17:4650-50.
17:47It's going to be
17:48really close.
17:53This bus was shit.
17:55To get it repainted
17:56was more expensive
17:57than the actual bus.
17:58It was falling to bits.
17:59It was a mess inside.
18:00No toilets,
18:01no seats downstairs
18:02and a driver who should
18:05never be allowed
18:05to drive, ever.
18:09We knew that borders,
18:11mass migration
18:12were huge, huge issues
18:14and we knew that
18:15we had to prosecute
18:16that argument
18:16because a softer
18:18vote leave campaign,
18:20particularly with
18:21Johnson on board,
18:23were unlikely
18:23to make it.
18:24We've given away
18:26everything.
18:26We piled into
18:28immigration
18:29and the engagement
18:29was extraordinary.
18:30We've given away
18:31our house goals.
18:33The places we had chosen,
18:35these were all
18:36Labour heartlands.
18:37We realised
18:37that it was
18:39in the Labour heartlands,
18:40the working men
18:40and women
18:41that felt left behind
18:42and disconnected
18:43from the political discourse.
18:52Boris and I did speak
18:53on the phone
18:54very regularly
18:54through the campaign.
18:56Compared notes,
18:58talked about
18:58who was doing what,
18:59who was visiting where,
19:00so we did talk.
19:01I do remember
19:02talking once,
19:03at least once,
19:04probably at most once
19:05to Nigel
19:06about the way
19:07the campaign was going
19:08and what we could do together.
19:09I said to Boris
19:09one Sunday morning,
19:10what about
19:11we all merge
19:12in, I don't know,
19:12Andover,
19:13anywhere you like.
19:14Oh yes,
19:15he said,
19:15it'd be like
19:16the Russians
19:16and the Americans
19:18meeting on the Elba
19:19in 1945.
19:20I said,
19:21well,
19:21I hadn't quite thought
19:21of it that way,
19:22but I mean,
19:23fine, you know.
19:25And he was very
19:25enthused by it.
19:27And then he said to me,
19:28let me ask my people.
19:30Sorry,
19:30what do you mean?
19:32Dominic Cummings' view
19:34was that Nigel Farage
19:35had ardent support
19:36but there was
19:37a ceiling to it
19:38and that you would
19:38never win a campaign
19:40that Nigel Farage
19:41led if you needed
19:42more than 50%
19:43of the public
19:44to support it.
19:45There was a sense
19:46that there was
19:47a possibility
19:47that Farage
19:48could somehow
19:48taint the campaign
19:50and engagement
19:50with him
19:51was not a good look.
19:52I was really clear,
19:53Don was really clear,
19:54everyone in the campaign
19:55was clear.
19:57Absolutely not.
20:00Cummings may not have wanted
20:02to join forces
20:03with Farage,
20:04but he wasn't above
20:05stealing his message
20:06on immigration.
20:09We are giving
20:09£2 billion
20:10to Macedonia,
20:11Serbia,
20:12Albania,
20:13Montenegro
20:14and Turkey
20:15to join the EU.
20:20David Cameron
20:21now claims
20:22Turkey won't join the EU,
20:23but that's not
20:24what he said before.
20:26This is something
20:27I feel very strongly,
20:29very passionately about.
20:31Together,
20:31I want us
20:32to pave the road
20:34from Ankara
20:35to Brussels.
20:36I was at my in-laws
20:38in Wiltshire
20:39and I got a call
20:41from Boris
20:42and I went outside
20:43to the front gate
20:44to take it
20:45and when I
20:48pressed the button,
20:49I went to put it up
20:50to my...
20:51It was like that.
20:52I hated it
20:53and I was very angry.
20:55I thought this wasn't
20:56agreed,
20:56this wasn't what we wanted
20:58and, you know,
20:59I hit the roof.
21:01Have you seen
21:02the effing poster?
21:03Have you seen
21:03the effing advert
21:04from Dominic?
21:05You know,
21:06I've got
21:07Turkish ancestors myself
21:08made proud of it.
21:09I thought
21:09to start casting it
21:11purely in terms of
21:14being hostile
21:15to immigrants,
21:15which was partly,
21:16by the way,
21:16sorry,
21:17the problem with,
21:18you know,
21:19the other chap
21:19we've just been talking about
21:21because he was all...
21:22Their campaign
21:23was all about
21:23being hostile
21:24to immigrants
21:25and that wasn't
21:26where I was.
21:27I put the phone
21:28on the gate
21:29and stepped back
21:30a few feet
21:31and I could still hear him
21:33and I went back
21:34to get the phone
21:34and I urged him
21:35to calm down.
21:36Everybody who knows
21:37anything about something
21:38knows there was not
21:39a catch chance
21:40in Hades
21:41of Turkey
21:42joining the EU.
21:44That wasn't going
21:45to happen.
21:45He said to me,
21:47I'm getting in the car,
21:48I'm driving back to London,
21:49I'm going to have it out
21:50with him,
21:50I'm going to have it out
21:50with him.
21:51And I thought,
21:51Christ,
21:52he's going to go
21:53round to Dominic's
21:55and whack him.
21:56I wish I had.
21:57God,
21:58it's going to save me
21:58a lot of trouble.
21:59That would be a brilliant idea.
22:01God,
22:02I wish I'd done that.
22:02What a fantastic thing
22:03to have done.
22:07I think I thought
22:07about resigning,
22:08but in the end
22:08I just dissociated
22:10myself from that.
22:11There were moments
22:12in the campaign
22:13where you just
22:14couldn't believe
22:14what you were seeing.
22:16A sort of
22:17nativist,
22:18faragist,
22:19bunch of claims
22:20about immigration
22:22that simply aren't true
22:23and the idea
22:24that Turkey
22:24was going to join
22:25the EU
22:26anytime soon
22:27was nonsense.
22:28I constantly said
22:29to David Cameron,
22:29we need to be clear
22:31on this.
22:31We have to make clear
22:32that we have a veto
22:34and that we would use it
22:36in any suggestion
22:37that Turkey
22:37was going to join the EU.
22:39It was very difficult
22:40because I was
22:41a campaigner,
22:43but I was also
22:43the Prime Minister.
22:45And there were,
22:46you know,
22:47important relationships,
22:48whether with Turkey
22:50or other European countries
22:52that, you know,
22:53you're trying to think,
22:54I have to think
22:54about these relationships
22:56as well as about
22:56the campaign.
22:57This idea
22:58that there was
22:59going to be
22:59a sort of,
23:00you know,
23:01reasoned debate
23:02just disappeared
23:04out the window.
23:05And, I mean,
23:05it was a political campaign
23:07and it was a very
23:09hard-fought,
23:11sometimes quite
23:12grubby campaign.
23:18Good morning.
23:19It's 13 minutes to 8.
23:21The Sun in its lead
23:22says claims
23:22have been swirling
23:23around Westminster
23:24and online
23:24that Marina Wheeler
23:25was the QC
23:26caught in a drunken
23:27clinch
23:28with another lawyer
23:29at Waterloo Station
23:29last summer.
23:31I got wind of the fact
23:32that there was
23:32a rumour around
23:34about me.
23:36I don't remember
23:37the details,
23:38but definitely involved
23:39some knickers somewhere.
23:41Anyway,
23:41first I didn't think
23:42very much about it
23:43and I thought,
23:44well,
23:44it will be obvious
23:45it wasn't me
23:45because I wasn't
23:46in the country
23:46at that time.
23:48But then,
23:49I did start
23:51to think people
23:52were avoiding me.
23:54I was very,
23:55very wound up
23:56by the personal attacks.
23:59Not just playing
24:00the man,
24:00not the woman,
24:01playing the man's wife.
24:03And, you know,
24:04what kind of politics
24:05is it
24:05where they go
24:07for people's wives?
24:10Dominic Cummings
24:11saw an opportunity.
24:14We convene
24:15in Dom's office
24:16and Dom says,
24:19this is Osborne.
24:20This has to be Osborne.
24:22And we immediately
24:24just explain it
24:25to Boris.
24:26An additional
24:28kiloton of ivory
24:29entered his soul
24:31at that point.
24:32I probably thought,
24:33it was solid,
24:34you know.
24:35Don't get mad,
24:36get even.
24:37And I thought,
24:38well,
24:38we've got to,
24:39we've just got to
24:39win this thing.
24:41And it was from
24:41that moment
24:42that he said,
24:43I am prepared
24:43to go on TV tomorrow
24:45and talk about immigration.
24:48George Osborne
24:49says it's utterly untrue
24:50he was the source
24:51of the article.
24:53Nonetheless,
24:54Cummings' claim worked.
24:56Boris Johnson
24:57took the gloves off
24:58at a crucial moment,
24:59the day the annual
25:01immigration figures
25:02were announced.
25:03We went to
25:044Milbank
25:05where we do
25:06all the interviews
25:07for the various
25:09broadcasters.
25:10And I remember
25:11walking up the stairs
25:13as the numbers arrived
25:15and they
25:16pinged into my inbox
25:17on my phone
25:18and I remember
25:19looking at it
25:20and thinking,
25:21crikey.
25:23So it's more
25:25as a double
25:26to get net
25:28migration down
25:29to tens of thousands.
25:30That wasn't
25:30the whole thing.
25:31The whole thing
25:33is 3-3-3.
25:34Yeah, right.
25:35OK?
25:36OK.
25:37OK.
25:38That's a city
25:38one size
25:39of Newcastle.
25:39Corgeous.
25:40Corgeous.
25:43He went and articulated
25:45and bossed
25:47an argument
25:47that was
25:49all the more
25:50compelling
25:51because he was
25:53a pro-immigration
25:54mayor of London.
25:55These figures
25:56have just come out.
25:57What do you make
25:58of them in the broad sense?
25:59I think that they
26:00show the scandal
26:01of the promise
26:03made by politicians
26:04repeatedly
26:05that they could
26:06cut immigration
26:06to the tens of thousands.
26:08We've now got
26:08a city the size
26:09of Oxford
26:09from the EU alone,
26:12a 333,000 net
26:14from all around
26:15the world.
26:16The situation
26:17is completely
26:17out of control.
26:18The only way
26:19to sort it out
26:20is vote leave
26:20on June the 23rd
26:22and take back control.
26:24I was very concerned
26:25about this
26:26because,
26:27to be frank about it,
26:28when we were talking
26:29about the economy,
26:30we were winning.
26:31When we were talking
26:32about immigration,
26:33we were losing.
26:35The team running
26:36the Remain campaign
26:38wanted the Prime Minister
26:39to challenge
26:40Vote Leave's
26:41immigration offensive.
26:43I said,
26:44we've really got
26:45to make a blockbuster
26:46speech
26:47and confront them
26:49over this issue
26:50of immigration.
26:51I think
26:51I was very clear,
26:53I think Peter Mandelson
26:54was clear,
26:54that it wasn't enough
26:56simply
26:56to go on
26:58the economy.
26:59that while
27:00our economic message
27:02was critical,
27:03it was necessary
27:03for us to win
27:05the campaign,
27:05it was not sufficient.
27:07I said this
27:07to number 10,
27:09they said,
27:09no, no, no, no, no,
27:11we've got to
27:11stick to economics.
27:13The moment
27:14we start
27:15talking about
27:16immigration,
27:17we'll start
27:17playing their game.
27:18The decision
27:19was taken
27:20that we shouldn't
27:21go out there
27:21and add more fuel
27:22to the fire,
27:23that we actually
27:24needed to double down
27:25on the economy
27:26and wrecking
27:27the economy
27:27being the centre
27:29of our campaign.
27:31Now,
27:31a referendum
27:32campaign broadcast
27:33by the Stronger
27:34in Europe campaign.
27:36This is Sam.
27:38He's 14 months old.
27:40How you vote
27:42in the European
27:42referendum
27:43will shape
27:43his future
27:44and the future
27:45of everyone
27:46in our country.
27:47If we remain
27:48in Europe,
27:49there'll be more
27:49opportunities
27:50for our children
27:51to follow their dreams
27:52and make the most
27:53out of life
27:54because being in Europe
27:56helps our businesses grow.
27:57We had to keep
27:59doubling down
28:00on the economy
28:00because that was
28:01the one issue
28:02that might switch
28:04people who otherwise
28:05were going to vote leave.
28:08Despite refusing
28:09to confront
28:10immigration head-on,
28:11Cameron chose
28:12to share a platform
28:13with Nigel Farage,
28:15hoping to expose
28:16the leader
28:17of a party
28:18he'd once described
28:19as a bunch
28:19of fruitcakes,
28:21loonies
28:21and closet racists.
28:24So we arrived
28:25for the debate
28:26with Nigel Farage
28:27in the Prime Minister's
28:30official convoy
28:31only to see
28:32this purple
28:32open-top bus
28:34with Nigel Farage
28:36arriving
28:36at the same time.
28:40He was coming
28:40into the green room
28:42and I was wandering out
28:44with a cigarette,
28:45actually,
28:45if I'm going to be honest with you.
28:46So I said,
28:47Nigel, go, put it,
28:48let's go, go, go.
28:49See them walking.
28:50And, um,
28:51so Nigel's,
28:52we're literally,
28:52we're running
28:53to get to this door
28:54knowing that, um,
28:55this collision
28:57would be news.
29:00So,
29:00I mean,
29:02he sort of
29:03asked how I was
29:04and we exchanged
29:05pleasantries.
29:05I looked at him
29:06and I thought,
29:07well, I'll tell you what,
29:08if I feel nervous,
29:09you look really nervous.
29:10You know,
29:11the concept
29:11of doing something
29:12with Farage
29:13was different.
29:15But on the other hand,
29:16I was persuaded,
29:17well, actually,
29:17having a moment
29:18where you can see
29:20what lies behind
29:21the campaign,
29:23i.e. Farage,
29:24and what the Prime Minister
29:26is saying,
29:27that's a,
29:28that's a good contrast.
29:35Good evening.
29:36There are now
29:37just 16 days to go
29:39before the UK
29:40makes a momentous decision
29:41to stay in
29:43or to leave
29:44the European Union.
29:45First up this evening
29:46is Nigel Farage.
29:47Hi, Nigel.
29:49I know a lot of people,
29:51I have access to,
29:52a predominantly
29:53black British audience
29:54and a lot of the concerns
29:55that they have raised
29:56is that
29:57you are going
30:00to increase
30:01the fear
30:02and discrimination
30:02of black British people
30:04through your
30:05anti-immigration rhetoric.
30:06Well, I...
30:07Are you encouraging
30:08racism?
30:08I don't think
30:09you could be more wrong
30:10and here's why.
30:11I take a very strongly
30:12pro-Commonwealth view.
30:14I think it was
30:15very bad
30:16and wrong of us
30:17to turn our backs
30:18on the Commonwealth
30:18in favour of
30:20a European
30:20political project.
30:21You're still
30:22anti-immigration
30:23so I don't see...
30:24I'm sorry, I won't have that.
30:25You are anti-immigration.
30:26You're scaremongering
30:27and inflammatory comments
30:28in your campaign
30:29that have gone against
30:31people that look
30:32non-white.
30:34How are non-white
30:34British people
30:35going to stop
30:36discrimination
30:37about their identity
30:38and nationality
30:39in this country?
30:40That is what
30:40I really want to know.
30:41I'm sorry.
30:42It was quite difficult
30:44with a very
30:46very engaged
30:48quite noisy
30:48studio audience
30:49to get through.
30:50If you want to think that
30:52and you don't want me...
30:53I don't think that.
30:53That's the majority
30:54of people that look
30:55black, British
30:55or non-white
30:56have those concerns.
30:57Well, I can't do a lot
30:58unless I'm allowed to talk.
30:59She's put a very clear
31:00question to you.
31:00Now look,
31:01I'm explaining to you
31:02our current
31:02open border policy
31:04is damaging
31:05all of our communities
31:06and here's our chance.
31:07Maybe
31:08our one and only chance
31:09as a nation
31:10to get a grip
31:11on this issue.
31:14Next,
31:15it was Cameron's turn
31:16but the immigration issue
31:18didn't go away.
31:20I voted for you
31:21in the last election
31:22because one of the things
31:23on your manifesto
31:24was to get immigration down.
31:25You haven't been able
31:26to do that
31:26because you're not
31:27allowed to do that.
31:28That's the bottom line.
31:29I don't agree with that.
31:30I think the biggest risk
31:31we can take
31:32is to pull out
31:33of the EU,
31:34pull out of the single market,
31:35damage our businesses,
31:36damage jobs
31:37and there'll be fewer
31:38opportunities for our children
31:39and grandchildren.
31:40And I say again,
31:41I hope that when
31:41people go to vote
31:43on June the 23rd,
31:44they vote to say
31:44we don't want
31:45little England
31:46of Nigel Farage,
31:47we want to be
31:48Great Britain
31:48and we're great
31:49if we stay
31:50in these organisations
31:50and fight for the sort
31:51of values we believe in.
31:58With a fortnight to go,
32:00the Remain campaign
32:01sought to demonstrate
32:03another cost
32:04of leaving the EU.
32:06Two retirees
32:08on a morning stroll,
32:09except John Major
32:11and Tony Blair
32:12were in Northern Ireland
32:13on business,
32:14walking the famous
32:15peace bridge
32:16for a purpose.
32:18The two former
32:19Prime Ministers
32:20argued a vote
32:21to leave
32:21would put at risk
32:23the peace
32:23they had painfully
32:24constructed.
32:25So throw away
32:27the membership
32:28of Europe
32:28and don't be surprised
32:30if in the end
32:31as a consequence
32:32we accidentally
32:34throw away
32:35our union
32:36as well.
32:37We say
32:37to the leave campaign
32:39very directly
32:40you have fundamental
32:41questions
32:41to answer
32:42about Northern Ireland,
32:44about the common
32:44travel area,
32:46about the effect
32:46of leaving the EU
32:47on the future
32:48make-up
32:48of the United Kingdom.
32:51That night
32:52on national TV
32:53Remain drove
32:55the point home.
32:56We've had two
32:57former Prime Ministers
32:58in Ireland today
32:59pointing out
33:00the issue there
33:01where once more
33:02vote leave
33:02have no plan
33:03for what the border
33:04would look like.
33:05We don't know.
33:06There is danger
33:07to the union
33:08as well
33:08from this proposal
33:09to leave.
33:10There is a successful
33:11union
33:11and it's a United Kingdom.
33:13There's an unsuccessful
33:14union
33:14and it's called
33:15the European Union.
33:16What really, really
33:17mattered was
33:18repetition of
33:19take back control.
33:21Boris Johnson.
33:22On June the 23rd
33:23we all face
33:24a historic choice
33:26to remain locked
33:27in a European Union
33:29or to take back
33:32control.
33:33Take back control.
33:34Take back control.
33:35Take back control.
33:36It was destabilizing
33:38to have them
33:39constantly saying
33:40take back control
33:41at us the whole time.
33:43Take back control
33:44to take back control.
33:45Take back control
33:46of huge sums of money.
33:47Being repeated
33:47and repeated
33:47and repeated.
33:48Take back control
33:49of our borders.
33:49Take back control
33:50of our economic policy,
33:51our tax,
33:52our trade
33:52and take back control
33:53of our democracy.
33:55It was a simple answer
33:56to a complicated question
33:58and it sort of implied
33:59to people
34:00that they had
34:00some sort of control
34:01as well.
34:10as door-to-door
34:12campaigning
34:13ramped up
34:13in the final
34:14two weeks,
34:15Leve's message
34:16was clearly resonating
34:18with traditional
34:18Labour voters.
34:22people realize
34:23now nothing changes.
34:24That's why
34:24they're looking
34:24for an alternative.
34:26I know that the 1%
34:27and their ivory towers
34:28are just laughing
34:29their tits off.
34:30It became clear to me
34:32the Remain message
34:33was not cutting
34:34through at all
34:37in working class communities
34:38in the Midlands
34:39and the North.
34:40Jeremy was continually
34:41campaigning throughout.
34:43I mean,
34:43he was actually
34:44probably more extensive
34:46than any other
34:47party leader.
34:48I mean,
34:48he did rallies
34:49in every part of Britain.
34:53I went to Aberdeen
34:54because I was told
34:55this is going to be great.
34:57People in Scotland
34:58are totally going to vote.
34:59Yes,
34:59you'll get a great reception
35:00there and they'll
35:01understand your message.
35:02It's OK.
35:03Those who want
35:04to tear up regulations
35:05are those that want
35:06to tear up workers' rights.
35:08We know which side
35:10we,
35:11the Labour Party,
35:12are on.
35:12OK?
35:14It ends up
35:15with a whole lot of people
35:15from the fishing industry
35:16turn up.
35:17They've seen cuts,
35:19they've seen austerity,
35:21their kids are in debt,
35:22their kids can't get
35:23council housing,
35:24and you expect us
35:25to stay in the European Union.
35:32Fearing the worst,
35:33Cameron wanted Corbyn
35:35to campaign at more
35:36high-profile media events
35:37in the final stretch.
35:39There was a speech
35:40at De Montfort University
35:42where I stood aside
35:43and gave the platform
35:44to the leader
35:46of the opposition,
35:47to the leader
35:47of the Labour Party
35:48and they didn't step up.
35:49I only actually heard
35:50about this sort of
35:51second-hand,
35:52basically,
35:53because it was,
35:53people said to me,
35:55Cameron wants you
35:56to speak in De Montfort
35:57University.
35:57I said,
35:59whatever Cameron wants
36:00is not my business.
36:07I came in at the last minute.
36:08I wasn't really
36:10supposed to be doing
36:11that speech.
36:11Maybe I was the fifth,
36:12sixth or seventh choice,
36:13I don't know,
36:13but I ended up there
36:15and we had a good meeting.
36:1745% of our exports
36:18go to the European Union.
36:203.2 million jobs
36:22related to these exports
36:24to Europe.
36:24And if we lost
36:26these jobs,
36:26it would be
36:27a huge disaster
36:29for industrial communities
36:30who depend on them.
36:31Of course,
36:32if we didn't have
36:33all Labour figures
36:34working together,
36:35doing the same things
36:36and saying roughly
36:37the same things
36:38at the same time,
36:38it wasn't going to have
36:39the difference
36:40it should have made.
36:41From our point of view,
36:42a kind of approach
36:43which was favoured
36:44by the kind of
36:45traditional Labour
36:46establishment
36:48was really having
36:48no impact at all
36:52and was, if anything,
36:52turning people off more.
36:56With just eight days to go,
36:59Remain worried
36:59their warnings
37:00had not got through.
37:03Standing alongside
37:04his Labour predecessor,
37:06the Chancellor
37:06threatened voters
37:07if the UK left the EU,
37:09he would introduce
37:10an immediate emergency budget.
37:13There'll be a hole
37:15in the public finances.
37:16You've got chancellors
37:16from two different
37:17political parties
37:18saying that taxes
37:19will have to go up,
37:20spending will have to be cut.
37:21That is the reality
37:23of quitting the EU.
37:24I was utterly committed
37:25to trying to win this campaign
37:27because I was utterly convinced
37:29that it was a disaster for Britain.
37:31Sorts of tax rises
37:32we could see include
37:33a 2p rise
37:34in the basic rate
37:35of income tax,
37:37a 3p rise
37:38in the higher rates,
37:395% increases
37:40in duties
37:40on alcohol
37:42and on fuel.
37:43and on fuel
37:43a 5% increase
37:44in the basic rate
37:45of inheritance tax.
37:47suddenly all these Tories
37:49came out,
37:49many of whom
37:50had been my friends
37:51in the past
37:51and said,
37:52George Osborne
37:53has crossed the line,
37:54this is outrageous,
37:55we won't support this budget.
37:56It was plainly untrue
37:59that these things
38:00would come to pass
38:01which it promised.
38:02It was plainly not
38:03what would ever happen.
38:03We recognise
38:04that this is just
38:05a scary story,
38:06a campaign tactic.
38:08We don't expect it
38:08ever to be brought forward.
38:10It would be
38:10a repudiation
38:11of many of our manifesto promises
38:13and that's why
38:13we won't stand for it.
38:15Within hours,
38:16Steve Baker
38:16had got more than
38:1750 Tory MPs
38:19to sign a statement
38:20threatening to bring down
38:21their own government
38:22if Osborne proceeded
38:23with his budget.
38:25It was a great
38:26campaigning moment
38:26to take the wheels
38:29off George Osborne's nonsense
38:30and actually gives me
38:31some pleasure
38:31to have done it
38:32given the contempt
38:33which actually I feel
38:34for that kind of
38:34campaigning tactic
38:35to have destroyed it.
38:37That's definitely
38:37the moment when
38:38you know,
38:39second lieutenant
38:40George Osborne
38:41got out of the trenches
38:42and got shot
38:43by the machine guns
38:45on the other side
38:46and, you know,
38:47my own kind of ambitions
38:48to be leader
38:50of the Tory party
38:51probably died that day.
38:54With civil war
38:55breaking out
38:56inside Parliament,
38:57outside,
38:58Nigel Farage
38:59was heading there
39:00with an armada
39:01of angry fishermen
39:02who believed
39:03the EU
39:04was destroying
39:05their livelihoods.
39:09We had little boats
39:10that had come
39:10from Bradwell and Essex
39:11we had a huge
39:14pelagic vessel
39:15that had come down
39:15from the north
39:17of Scotland.
39:25But some ardent
39:26Remainers
39:27were determined
39:28to drown out
39:29Farage's frotilla.
39:31Blow me down.
39:33On board
39:34is Bob Geldof,
39:35Boris Johnson's
39:37sister,
39:38many of the great
39:39were good
39:39from Kensington
39:40and Chelsea.
39:40Bob Geldof
39:41called and said,
39:43would I like
39:44to be involved
39:45in some
39:46crazed stunt
39:48that he was
39:49organising?
39:50So I said,
39:51no.
39:51And I said,
39:52why not?
39:53And she said,
39:54she said,
39:54because I don't want
39:55to just publicly
39:56go against my brother.
39:58I said,
39:58it's got nothing
39:59to do with Boris,
40:00it's about stopping
40:01Nigel.
40:04And they were trying
40:05to cut us up
40:06and so our boat
40:07was going like this
40:08with all these
40:09little trawlers
40:09and they're like
40:11wacky races.
40:13At which point
40:14the husband
40:16of an MP,
40:16Joe Cox,
40:18came swarming out
40:19from amongst
40:20all these barges,
40:21Brendan Cox,
40:22with his two kids
40:24with their in flags.
40:25Up then pipes
40:26this huge,
40:27great big loudspeaker.
40:28You are no
40:29fisherman's friend.
40:31You were on
40:32the European Parliament
40:33Fishing Committee
40:34and you attended
40:35one out of
40:3643 meetings.
40:38You're a fraud,
40:39Nigel.
40:40You're a fraud,
40:41Nigel.
40:41You're a fraud.
40:43Go back down
40:44the river
40:45because you're up
40:45one without a canoe.
40:49We were broadsided
40:51than with rock and roll,
40:52you know.
40:54I'm in with
40:54the yin crown.
40:58I've got Woodstock,
40:59I've got Live Aid,
41:01I've got Glastonbury
41:02on my boat.
41:08And the harbourmaster
41:09keeps coming up
41:10to our boat
41:11and telling us
41:12to turn the music down.
41:14Bob Geldof says,
41:15well, there's only one thing
41:16to do at this point.
41:17And I was like,
41:17what's that?
41:18He said, well,
41:19I'm going to ring
41:19the Prime Minister.
41:21He says, Bob,
41:22like, I'm really busy.
41:24I just sort of
41:25talked to him
41:25and said, look,
41:26I've got to get on
41:26with Prime Minister's
41:26questions.
41:27And I said,
41:28Farage is coming
41:29up the river
41:30to park outside
41:31Parliament
41:32with a load
41:33of fishermen
41:34and disrupting
41:35PMQs.
41:36He says,
41:36who told you that?
41:38Something like that.
41:38I said, what do you mean
41:39who told me that?
41:40We're there now.
41:41I wasn't quite sure
41:42what I was meant
41:43to do.
41:44So I think it was
41:44a relatively brief
41:45conversation.
41:46I couldn't suddenly
41:47call the Coast Guard.
41:51The volume
41:52was absolutely
41:53extraordinary.
41:54And the level
41:55of personal invective
41:56and abuse
41:57that was used
41:58against me
41:58was huge.
42:06Sometimes things
42:07can be reduced
42:09to a gesture,
42:09you know?
42:10You can go like that
42:11or you can go like that.
42:13I go with the latter.
42:15They were these
42:15wonderful fishing boats
42:17with, you know,
42:18adorned with these
42:19kind of salty dog types.
42:20And there we were,
42:22these metropolitan
42:24wankers.
42:25And suddenly
42:26the fishermen,
42:27they're surrounding
42:28me now
42:29and going
42:32apoplectic.
42:33Really,
42:34I've never seen
42:35people so
42:36dangerously angry.
42:37And that's when
42:38it turned
42:39to Geldof
42:40against the fishermen
42:41as opposed to
42:42Geldof
42:42against me.
42:43There was one guy
42:46screaming at me
42:48really alongside
42:49our boats.
42:50And I just said,
42:52come on board.
42:55You'll all be wrong.
42:57And I will stand
42:58on this boat
42:59and I'll say,
42:59you are wrong
43:00and you are wrong
43:01and you are wrong
43:02and you are wrong
43:02and you are wrong.
43:02Not one of you,
43:03Lord,
43:04look like you've come
43:05and have self-end
43:06on sea.
43:07Everything
43:08in that man's voice,
43:10you know,
43:11everything,
43:12his anger,
43:13his rage
43:13about his future
43:14or the future
43:15of his family,
43:16everything was wrapped up
43:17in his loathing
43:18of me
43:19and all the people
43:21who were trying
43:22to stop Brexit.
43:23Boris will help us.
43:25No, he won't.
43:25He will.
43:26Referendums aren't about facts.
43:28It's all about emotion.
43:31And that landed.
43:34Traitor!
43:35Traitor!
43:36And that was the moment
43:37we won,
43:38I think,
43:39the biggest PR victory
43:40of the whole campaign.
43:47The next day,
43:49Farage staged another event,
43:51determined immigration
43:52dominate the final days
43:54of the campaign.
44:03The more outrageous
44:04you are,
44:05the more attention
44:05you get,
44:06the more attention
44:06you get,
44:07the more outrageous
44:07you become.
44:11Well,
44:12joining me
44:12is the UKIP leader,
44:13Nigel Farage,
44:14and let me put it to you,
44:15that is an extraordinarily
44:17incendiary poster
44:18to suggest Britain
44:19is somehow
44:19at breaking point.
44:21It was a very
44:22powerful image.
44:25It's an image,
44:25by the way,
44:26that if you used it today,
44:27you'd probably get
44:28very little criticism.
44:30Every one of these
44:31can get to Calais.
44:32We know how bad
44:33our government is
44:34at defending our borders.
44:35And within a few years,
44:37all of these people
44:38will have EU passports.
44:42While the media
44:43was going crazy
44:44about this poster,
44:45I got a phone call
44:47from somebody
44:49in MI5
44:50who was saying
44:51that they thought
44:51that Jo Cox
44:53had been very,
44:54very severely injured
44:55by somebody
44:55who attacked her.
44:59The Labour MP,
45:00Jo Cox,
45:01is in a critical condition
45:02after being shot
45:03and stabbed
45:04in her constituency.
45:05What alerted
45:07local people
45:08were the sounds
45:09of screaming,
45:11mad,
45:11loud,
45:12manic screaming,
45:13followed immediately
45:14by people rushing
45:15out to her aid
45:16with towels
45:17and tea blankets
45:19and such like
45:20to try and
45:20stemmed the flow
45:21of blood.
45:23She only spoke
45:24a couple of days ago
45:25about how excited
45:26the children had been
45:27to be involved
45:28in the flotilla
45:29on the Thames
45:29as part of the
45:30European referendum campaigns.
45:32Of course,
45:33nobody could have foreseen
45:34that this was going
45:35to happen.
45:37I knew Jo Cox well.
45:39She was one of the most
45:40tolerant, outward-going people,
45:42prepared to listen
45:43to everybody
45:43and wanting people
45:44to come together.
45:45The thing that surprises me
45:47time and time again
45:48as I travel around
45:49the constituency
45:49is that we are
45:50far more united
45:51and have far more
45:52in common
45:53than that which divides us.
45:55She represented
45:56something about tolerance
45:57and about understanding
45:58each other
45:59and about building bridges
46:00and about cutting
46:02across divides,
46:04and yet this campaign
46:05has descended
46:06into something
46:06that really does
46:07no justice
46:08to the kind of politics
46:09and the kind of society
46:11that we want to see.
46:12This is the man
46:13accused of murdering her.
46:15Eyewitnesses say
46:16he said Britain first
46:18and this is for Britain
46:20as he attacked Jo Cox.
46:22That night,
46:24there was a conversation
46:25on the phone
46:26between myself,
46:27Gisela,
46:28Boris and Dominic Cummings.
46:30I do,
46:31I remember thinking,
46:32you know,
46:33my God,
46:34is this really,
46:35is it really us
46:36who have done,
46:36is it true
46:37that this campaign
46:38has released
46:40these appalling
46:41feelings in people?
46:42I literally had people
46:43coming up to me
46:44and telling me
46:45that I had killed
46:45Jo Cox.
46:49And that's where
46:50it's really,
46:51really hard.
46:51All three of us,
46:53Boris Gisela and me,
46:55were upset.
46:56We were convinced,
46:58by the way,
46:58that it was over
46:59for the campaign,
47:01you know,
47:02with, well,
47:02you know,
47:07people will think
47:08this is a horrible,
47:10nasty,
47:12xenophobic campaign
47:13that's bringing out
47:13the worst in people.
47:14We all agreed
47:15we would stop campaigning.
47:18Do you regret
47:19your breaking point poster?
47:20Well,
47:21it said the EU
47:22has failed us all
47:23and it was designed
47:24for us to say to people,
47:25we do not want to stay part
47:27of a union
47:28that has failed on Tuesday.
47:30I'm used to criticism
47:32but that Sunday
47:34was of a different level.
47:36It was of a different level.
47:40Completely unfair,
47:42unrelated,
47:43but that's
47:43by the by.
47:46The Remain camp
47:47are using
47:48these awful circumstances
47:50to try to say
47:52that the motives
47:53of one deranged,
47:54dangerous individual
47:55were similar
47:56of half the country
47:58or perhaps more
47:59who believe
48:00we should leave the EU.
48:03I said,
48:04look,
48:04I'm really sorry
48:05that, you know,
48:05this happened
48:06at this moment.
48:09Didn't apologise
48:09for the poster itself
48:10or the,
48:11or the,
48:12the,
48:12any sense
48:14of what it was
48:15trying to convey
48:16that Europe's making
48:17a catastrophic mistake.
48:18We shouldn't
48:19allow ourselves
48:20to be part of it.
48:23But I apologise,
48:24obviously,
48:24if anyone thought
48:25that this was
48:26what the Leave campaign
48:27was about,
48:28which it clearly wasn't.
48:35The polls
48:36were swinging
48:36towards Remain.
48:39David Cameron
48:40wanted to resume
48:41campaigning
48:41with a display
48:42of national unity.
48:44I remember ringing
48:45Gordon with this idea
48:47that we should have,
48:48you know,
48:48the four living
48:50Prime Ministers,
48:51Tony Blair,
48:51Gordon Brown,
48:52John Major
48:52and myself
48:54outside Downing Street
48:55on Lectern's,
48:58Lectern each,
48:59explaining why
48:59we as serving
49:01and previous
49:01Prime Ministers
49:02thought it was
49:02in Britain's
49:03national interest.
49:04We would be stronger,
49:05safer,
49:06better off
49:06if we stayed.
49:07And I said,
49:08look,
49:08that will not work
49:09because why people
49:10are voting against us,
49:11particularly Labour voters,
49:12is they see it
49:13as an establishment
49:14stitch-up.
49:15It's nothing to do
49:15with them.
49:16Europe is some
49:16far-off place
49:17and it's not really
49:18benefiting their lives.
49:19I respected his arguments.
49:22He's a highly
49:23intelligent man.
49:24But I was a bit
49:25frustrated because
49:25I thought,
49:26look,
49:26it may not be
49:27the perfect idea,
49:28but there's something
49:29about the striking
49:30image and reality
49:32of people with
49:33radically different
49:34opinions about life
49:36saying we should
49:37stay in.
49:37And he said,
49:38we need a shock factor.
49:39And I said to him,
49:40look,
49:40we've had the shock factor.
49:42Joe Cox was assassinated.
49:50Instead of what I would
49:51have called
49:51an establishment
49:52stitch-up,
49:53I wanted a different
49:54proposal,
49:54which was all the
49:55Labour leaders
49:56trying to get
49:56the Labour vote out.
49:57That was the vote
49:58that was most at risk
49:59and they would all
50:00appear together
50:01and speak together
50:03about the importance
50:03of staying inside
50:05the European Union
50:05and leading Europe,
50:06not leaving it.
50:08The call was made
50:10to Jeremy Corbyn.
50:12I said absolutely no.
50:15Listen,
50:16Blair started
50:18my leadership campaign
50:19by saying,
50:20if you've got a heart
50:22to vote for Jeremy Corbyn,
50:23you need a heart transplant.
50:25And he was unremitting
50:27in his attacks
50:28and abuse on me
50:29the whole time
50:30and remains so.
50:31It was barely a decade
50:33after the invasion
50:34and occupation of Iraq.
50:35A significant section
50:38of the British public
50:39still regarded
50:40Tony Blair
50:41as a war criminal.
50:42It was the people
50:43that had voted for me
50:44and clearly voted for me
50:45as an alternative
50:47to Blair,
50:48the war,
50:49the free market
50:49and all the other stuff
50:50that Blair's so keen on.
50:52So, no.
51:05polling day itself
51:06was quite a strange day
51:08because 23rd of June
51:10was the date
51:11that my oldest daughter
51:12was graduating
51:13from St Andrews.
51:16And it was a difficult day
51:18because,
51:19obviously,
51:20Boris was there,
51:21very visible,
51:23attracting quite a lot
51:24of notice
51:25and attention.
51:26The atmosphere
51:27you were cut
51:28with a knife,
51:29I mean,
51:29my goodness.
51:30I mean,
51:30you could not find
51:32a more remained
51:34environment.
51:35And, you know,
51:36they looked at me
51:36as though,
51:37like, you know,
51:38God,
51:38there's something
51:38the cat brought in.
51:39Things were dragging
51:40on a bit
51:40and I remember
51:41saying to Marina,
51:42we've got to go.
51:44We were miles
51:46and miles from London
51:47and miles and miles
51:47from the polling station.
51:48It would really
51:49not be great
51:50if Boris missed
51:52the polls,
51:54having led
51:54to the vote leave
51:55campaign.
51:57I don't think
51:58he would have heard
51:58the end of that.
52:01We eventually
52:02landed at City Airport
52:04in London
52:04with about an hour
52:06to go or so.
52:07Boris said,
52:08let's go on the DLR.
52:10We rushed across
52:11to vote
52:11with sort of 15 minutes
52:12to spare.
52:13Loads of photographers
52:14followed us back
52:15to the house.
52:15We got through
52:15the front door
52:16and virtually
52:17the first thing
52:17that appears
52:18on the BBC
52:19special coverage
52:20is news that
52:21Boris Johnson
52:22has told a man
52:22on the underground
52:23that they're not
52:25going to win
52:25the referendum.
52:26And I remember
52:27looking at him
52:27and just saying,
52:28how many times
52:29have I told you
52:30don't speak to people
52:31on the tube?
52:33Good evening
52:34and welcome
52:35at the end
52:35of this momentous day
52:37when each one of us
52:38has had the chance
52:39to say what kind
52:40of country
52:41we want to live in.
52:43So the evening
52:44of the referendum
52:46campaign sort of
52:47started quite confidently
52:48because these opinion
52:50poll organisations
52:51were saying
52:52that they thought
52:54that we had won.
52:55The polling stations
52:56close after weeks,
52:58months,
52:58years of argument
52:59and we'll have
53:00the answer
53:00to the question
53:01that's haunted
53:02British politics
53:03for so long.
53:04Do we want to be
53:05in or out
53:06of the EU?
53:07When teleclock came
53:08it's like
53:10all the adrenaline's gone
53:12and I said mistakenly
53:14well you know what
53:15maybe the other side
53:15will win.
53:16Take this with a pinch
53:17of salt
53:17but we have had
53:18we've spoken
53:19to Nigel Farage
53:20it's been an
53:21extraordinary
53:21referendum campaign
53:22this is Nigel Farage
53:23turnout looks to be
53:24exceptionally high
53:25and looks like
53:26Remain will edge it.
53:28I sort of began
53:28to sink a little bit
53:29because nothing more
53:31I can do
53:31I've tried so hard.
53:33The total number
53:34of votes
53:35cast in favour
53:36of Remain
53:37was
53:3751,930
53:43The total number
53:44of votes
53:45cast in favour
53:46of Leave
53:46was
53:4782,000
53:51I thought
53:52wow
53:52that's a huge
53:54huge
53:55that's much
53:56bigger than
53:57they were forecasting
53:58so I was watching
53:59the snake
54:00I was watching
54:01the Betfair
54:01numbers
54:02and seeing
54:03suddenly
54:04it kinked
54:05for Leave
54:06The total number
54:08of votes
54:09cast in favour
54:10of Leave
54:10was
54:1467,251
54:15I remember
54:19my daughter
54:20Nancy
54:20was sort of
54:21sitting next to me
54:21around this table
54:22we were watching
54:23the TV
54:23and she sort of
54:24said dad
54:24we're losing this
54:25and I could
54:25I could feel it
54:27I remember
54:27going up
54:27to my own
54:28apartment
54:28which was
54:29in 10 Downing Street
54:30sort of lying
54:30on the sofa
54:31my family were asleep
54:32it was like
54:333 in the morning
54:34just going
54:35everything is in ruins
54:37so it wasn't
54:38just my own
54:38personal ambitions
54:39that were
54:40being
54:40you know
54:41going up in smoke
54:42it was also
54:43I felt deeply
54:44patriotic
54:44that my country
54:45was making
54:46a really terrible
54:47wrong turn
54:48the British people
54:49have spoken
54:50and the answer
54:51is
54:51we're out
54:55I've campaigned
54:56for something
54:57that everybody
54:57told me
54:58was a waste
54:59of time
54:59I was wasting
55:00my time
55:01and a dream
55:02that I had
55:03and pursued
55:04relentlessly
55:05had actually
55:06come to pass
55:07let June the 23rd
55:09go down
55:10in our history
55:11as our
55:12Independence Day
55:15in the end
55:16leave had won
55:18by 4%
55:1952
55:20to 48
55:33I just felt
55:34I'd have no
55:34credibility
55:35I felt that
55:37the country
55:37needed a new
55:38prime minister
55:38Samantha agreed
55:40about that
55:41I remember her
55:42saying
55:43you know
55:43gosh I just
55:44don't think
55:44I can face
55:45going out there
55:46I love this
55:47country
55:47and I feel
55:49honoured
55:49to have served
55:50it
55:50and I will do
55:52everything I can
55:52in future
55:53to help this
55:54great country
55:55succeed
55:56thank you very
55:57much
55:59and I remember
56:00Boris just saying
56:01Jesus Christ
56:02poor Sam
56:02what the hell
56:03what the hell
56:04and he was
56:05obsessed by her
56:06sort of reaction
56:09well what I felt
56:10was
56:13right
56:16we're going
56:16to have to
56:17do something
56:18it's going
56:19to have to
56:19involve me
56:21I better
56:22we better go
56:23down and give
56:23a press conference
56:24and try and
56:26try and settle
56:27things
56:27try and steady
56:27the ship
56:32it was that
56:33moment when we
56:34walked out the
56:34door
56:35that I knew
56:36that probably
56:37the course of
56:38the country
56:39certainly Boris's
56:40part in it
56:40had changed
56:41forever
56:46you know
56:47suddenly
56:47having been
56:48used to
56:50you know
56:51people being
56:52people heckle
56:53people shout
56:54jocular insults
56:56you Tory
56:56tosser
56:57and so on
56:57but they
56:58were really
56:59angry
56:59they were really
57:00upset
57:05we managed to
57:06get in the car
57:06with the help
57:06of quite a few
57:07police officers
57:09and the car
57:11left the front
57:12and sped off
57:12down the road
57:13and at the end
57:14of their road
57:15there is a
57:16traffic light
57:16and it was
57:17green
57:18and just before
57:19he reached it
57:20it went orange
57:21and he braked
57:22and it went red
57:22and he stopped
57:24and instantly
57:25we were surrounded
57:26by protesters
57:27and really
57:28really angry
57:29people
57:32it was then
57:33that I
57:33you know
57:34I really felt
57:34the
57:35the strength
57:36of people's
57:37feeling about
57:37this
57:38I
57:39underestimated
57:41how deeply
57:42it spoke
57:43to people
57:44for the first
57:44time I'd ever
57:45seen him
57:45looking like
57:46properly
57:46fearful
57:47not necessarily
57:48just for his own
57:49safety
57:49but for a sense
57:50of kind of
57:50what has this
57:52unleashed
57:58obviously we were
57:59delighted that we'd
57:59won but
58:00conscious
58:01that we were
58:02embarking on
58:03what would be
58:03a difficult path
58:04I don't think
58:05any of us
58:05realised
58:06quite how
58:07difficult it
58:07would be
58:07suddenly the
58:08people are
58:09looking at you
58:09thinking
58:10you know
58:10you're in
58:11charge of
58:12defence
58:12you're in
58:13charge of
58:13tax
58:13you're in
58:13charge of
58:14absolutely
58:14everything
58:20to those who
58:21may be
58:22anxious
58:22whether at
58:23home or
58:23abroad
58:24this does not
58:26mean that the
58:27United Kingdom
58:27will be in any
58:28way less
58:29united
58:31nor indeed
58:32does it mean
58:33that it will be
58:34any less
58:35European
58:37we didn't
58:38have
58:38you know
58:39we didn't
58:40have a plan
58:41for
58:42what to do
58:43next
58:43because we
58:44didn't think
58:44it was our job
58:44to have a plan
59:17un accouchage
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