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00:00I went, I got married, I had a whole life when I was with him.
00:03I lived in Kentucky because I met him in college before I moved out to L.A.
00:07So we ended up getting a house, having a dog.
00:09Wow, oh my god, you did like the whole thing.
00:23Oh my god, bring it in, babe.
00:25Hi, Katie.
00:27Hello.
00:27Oh my gosh, I am obsessed with you.
00:30Stop, I'm obsessed with you.
00:31You're an icon in this space.
00:33I literally have known your face since I started this.
00:36Oh my god.
00:36I'm honored to finally come here and see you in person.
00:39Chat with you, you're amazing.
00:40Oh my god, I love you.
00:41Literally every time I see your face pop up in a real short, you are the most angelic, beautiful actress.
00:49I am so blown away by your performances.
00:53Your eyes suck me in.
00:54I am a fangirl over here.
00:56Oh, you're so sweet.
00:58I appreciate it.
00:59I appreciate it.
01:00It's been definitely very fun.
01:01I'm thankful for all the opportunities that I've had in it so far.
01:04You've had some really cool roles here.
01:07Yeah, yeah.
01:08Lots of fun, strong female characters.
01:10Which is really nice and a nice movement for the space.
01:13Yeah, exactly.
01:13I feel like when I first started, it was really, that wasn't ever a thing, ever.
01:17It's always like the little weak ingenue who needs that saving.
01:20Who needs help or beating her down.
01:22And even when I first started them, I still got roles like that.
01:25And so over the last year, the transition into like stronger females has been so nice.
01:30So nice.
01:31Would you say that you prefer acting in those roles as well?
01:33I always, when I'm like picking scripts, I want something that, like a character that
01:37I feel I can relate to.
01:38And I am a strong, like woman.
01:41I try not to put up with things.
01:42I try and hold my boundaries, my place.
01:44It's important to do that.
01:45Yeah, it is.
01:46Especially in this industry.
01:47Yeah.
01:47Because they will suck you up.
01:49Yeah, for sure.
01:50So I want to portray and put roles out there that show others that they can be strong women
01:55too.
01:55They don't always need a man.
01:56They can be tall and strong and not like these little petite, like, you know, weaklings.
02:01And I want to, yeah, put that out there.
02:03All different walks of life of a female lead.
02:06Yeah, exactly.
02:06Yeah.
02:07Absolutely.
02:07I love that.
02:09And Daughter of Deuce, you were so amazing.
02:12That was fun to shoot.
02:13That was probably my favorite thing that I've ever done, like in the vertical space.
02:17That was my most favorite project.
02:19That one was insane because it was when like the torrential downpours were happening back
02:23in like, I think, November.
02:24Yes.
02:25And so we were shooting on location.
02:27Outside every day.
02:27Every day.
02:28Yeah.
02:28And it was, it was crazy because it was muddy everywhere.
02:31We were up in Santa Clarita.
02:33Everything looks gorgeous.
02:34Yeah.
02:34The cinematography of it.
02:36Dan, Orod, they're cam ops and they are, they're awesome.
02:39Their whole team, like Bryce, Porter.
02:41Oh, yeah, it was a Bryce.
02:42You know what I mean?
02:43I love Bryce.
02:43I love you guys so much.
02:45Love you, Bryce.
02:46Miss you.
02:47You guys literally, they're so amazing.
02:49Oh, that's so good.
02:51Yeah.
02:51That's great.
02:52Definitely one of my favorites I've ever done.
02:54Yeah, definitely.
02:55She was so strong too.
02:56Like, even in her weak moments, she was strong and she stood up for herself and she never
03:00let anybody kind of walk all over her.
03:02And there were a lot of moments in that where she displayed that.
03:05And I was, I was so happy to see, you know, her standing up for herself and not waiting
03:09for a man to save her.
03:11Yeah.
03:11We don't need that anymore.
03:13And this economy, girl.
03:14Exactly.
03:15We don't.
03:16And then like, even thinking about it, I guess she never needed a man to save her.
03:20She saves her, the man.
03:22Yeah.
03:22So I like that even more.
03:23She's singing too.
03:25I love that.
03:25It's very nice.
03:26Yeah.
03:27Okay.
03:27So you've done so many amazing shows.
03:28I want to play a cute, fun little game with you.
03:31Okay.
03:31Which is our emoji guessing game.
03:34So we'll have emojis and then you can try to guess the title of your show through the emojis.
03:39Okay.
03:40I love this.
03:40Okay.
03:42It's kind of hard.
03:43I know.
03:44I'm like, what are these?
03:47We're going to do rapid fire.
03:48I think I already know all of these.
03:49Oh my gosh.
03:50I think it's number one.
03:52I think it's true heiress.
03:53Saves high school.
03:54We have the crown.
03:55We have the, what I think is a high school and I don't know what the life float thing is
03:58in there, but I think it's about saving.
04:01So, and then two, I, that has to be fix you, you know, hammer, broken heart, fix you.
04:07Classic.
04:08I don't know what three is.
04:08That one's royalty.
04:10Yeah.
04:10That one's kind of.
04:11I know the answer and it does make sense.
04:14Don't get married, queen.
04:17Can I skip it and go back?
04:19Yeah.
04:20Yeah.
04:20Yeah.
04:20You can go back because I know these other ones for sure.
04:22Maybe it'll help you.
04:23Yeah.
04:24Love is a dangerous dance for sure.
04:26And then daughter of Zeus, baby, lightning bolt.
04:29We love it.
04:30And then six, I'm assuming is my dark Romeo.
04:33Oh, a little bit darker.
04:37I dug Romeo, but I can't for the life of me.
04:40Three guys, anyone in the comments, do you guys know number three?
04:43Drop us a comment and let us know which one you think it is.
04:46I can't figure it out.
04:47This is going to bother me.
04:48Okay.
04:49I'll give you a hint.
04:50Okay.
04:50Give me a hint.
04:52Wedding.
04:54Oh, cancel the wedding, queen returns.
04:58Cancel the wedding, the bride returns?
05:02Queen moves on.
05:03Okay.
05:03She got it.
05:05She got it.
05:05She got it.
05:06Wait, wait, wait.
05:07She got it.
05:07Cancel the wedding, the bride, queen moves on.
05:09Yes.
05:10Exactly.
05:10Do you know why on, because before it was a different title for the entire time.
05:16And then they put it out and it's different.
05:18And I was like.
05:18Oh my gosh.
05:18So that's why.
05:19Okay.
05:20That makes sense.
05:22So I want to get into the fun, juicy part of this podcast, which is so important.
05:28And we don't really talk about it much, which is mental health.
05:31Oh my gosh.
05:32Yeah.
05:32I know, you know, you being a successful actress in this space and just being, you've been in
05:37this, in a, in entertainment for so long, you've gone through just the life of an entertainer.
05:43Yeah.
05:43Very true.
05:44It's the, the grind of trying to do this thing while trying to be a human, while also taking
05:51care of your body, having relationships and just existing as a woman is exhausting.
05:57Very much so.
05:58Yes.
05:58And just showing up for so many people or whatever you're going through.
06:02And I mean, the amount of like different journeys and ways to get through it.
06:08I have so many different things I've tried, things that work, things that don't, but I
06:12want to just chat with you a little bit about that.
06:14Like what are some things that you go through that you want to share with some of the fans
06:18to illuminate this and how do you get through it?
06:20Yeah.
06:20Well, I will say there, this industry is very hard because of how closely our personal
06:26lives are with like our professional lives.
06:28I feel like a lot of other jobs, it's like you clock in, you do like your dress desk job.
06:33It has nothing to do with like you per se.
06:35And then you leave and like, you can go do your own personal stuff.
06:38But I feel like with the eyes that are on us from this, like the type of work that we
06:42do, the access that we have to people, like it's not, or that people have to us.
06:46It's not easy at all and it's stressful.
06:49And like you said, we have to worry about not only like showing up for ourselves in our
06:53work aspect, but also our personal lives.
06:55And I feel like sometimes you can get so caught up in the work and in these characters in these
06:59worlds that you forget to take care of like yourself and your personal life.
07:02But there's, yeah, there's a lot to unpack, like to deal with, like mental wise when you're
07:08on these spaces.
07:09I guess like something that I really have tried to focus on, especially in the last year is
07:15to set boundaries with other people.
07:17Like that is a very important thing.
07:19Because we are in an industry where it's like, if you don't set boundaries, people usually
07:23take advantage of that in any capacity of the sense.
07:27But it's a very important thing to kind of know what your morals are, what you will not
07:32want to do, what you do want to do.
07:34And like have that because people will try and like, you know, just sway you one way or
07:38the other.
07:39And if you don't have that strong like moral compass of like what you are okay with, what
07:43you're not okay with, what you need, what you don't want to do, then you start to like
07:47lose yourself.
07:48Yeah.
07:48I know that, I mean, the last year I've been very thankful with being able to, you know,
07:53just stick with what I morally am comfortable with.
07:56But it's not easy sometimes, especially if you're just starting out and you're like,
07:59well, this is like the only role that I've been offered.
08:00And I don't like, I'm very conflicted between it.
08:03And it's like, in the end, our faces are going to be online forever, forever, and I think
08:11it's important to, yes, maybe this could be a great project.
08:14But I'm always like, if you say no, there will be 100 more yeses in the future.
08:18Like you don't know when they're coming, but they will be there, you know, and if you work
08:21hard enough at it, you will get something else.
08:23And it's like, don't give up like what you're comfortable with in exchange for something
08:27that's like very quick going to happen, you know?
08:29And it's like, at the end of the day, when you go home and you're laying in bed, are you
08:34awake at night?
08:34Like, oh my God, I can't believe I did that.
08:36I did that, right.
08:37Now it's going to be everywhere and people are going to see it.
08:40And it's like, you don't want to be in that position.
08:42And so it's, it's not easy, but it's important to have like those boundaries and set those things
08:46for yourself.
08:47Oh my gosh.
08:48I so hear you, even with kind of backtracking with what you're saying, you know, like starting
08:52out as an actor or being new in a job, whatever it is, whether it's entertainment or whatever
08:57field someone works in, you want to people please and, you know, do a good job.
09:01That's just human nature.
09:03But it's, even if you're experienced, it's almost like you don't want to then get fired
09:12or you don't want to disappoint.
09:14And then, so it kind of like, doesn't really ever get easier in a way.
09:18Cause like the more successful you get, the more like pressure also to do as well as you
09:23did on the last one or like the next cooler thing, the crazier thing, out beat yourself
09:28every time.
09:29And that pressure is so heavy.
09:32It is very heavy.
09:33And even also kind of going back with what you're saying about being in the entertainment
09:36industry, I also feel like nowadays with our generation, it's a little bit of, you have
09:42to do so many different things, not just be an actress.
09:44Like you are an actor, but you also are a brand.
09:46You also have your social media.
09:48That's another thing too, with like mental health.
09:50And like, I, like I've had to struggle with this in the past with like wanting to post
09:55certain things because I know it'll get more likes and like more people will see it or
09:59more like seductive things.
10:01Cause I'm like, Oh, well people only like seeing that of me.
10:04Of my body.
10:05Yeah.
10:05And it's a hard thing.
10:06Like so many people go through this and being perceived when they post and that's, I still
10:11am like that too.
10:12Every day.
10:13Yeah.
10:13Every day.
10:14I'm going to post this and people are going to perceive me and like, I have no control
10:18over how they perceive me, what they're like thinking about me.
10:20And it's like a scary thing.
10:21Like I've been able to thankfully be like, all right, post what you want to post.
10:26Don't feel pressured.
10:27Like, don't feel like you need to, don't feel like I, I, I need to gain followers.
10:30I need to do this.
10:31Cause there was a time when I was younger where I was like this, I need to like be
10:35famous.
10:35I need to have followers.
10:37And now I'm like, the more pressure you put on yourself, like the more miserable, like
10:40you are when you, you post and it's like, not what you like want.
10:45You know what I mean?
10:45It's like, I'm very for post what you want now.
10:48Like people, your tribe will come to you, the people that enjoy you and want to follow
10:53you, they will come to you.
10:54And those people that are just there simply for like your looks, for your, your skin that
10:59they want to see, like those people will leave and it will be a better engagement and a better
11:03audience anyway, in the end.
11:05And, but yeah, it's very hard with social media nowadays and how accessible you are.
11:10I mean, yeah, it's exhausting.
11:12And you feel like, I mean, I know I go through this a lot of times if so, sometimes I
11:17don't
11:18have the bandwidth to respond to everything because I'm casting and then I'm acting and
11:22then I'm posting for my own joy.
11:24And I feel so much guilt if I'm not responding to every fan and I'm like, and then I'm like,
11:32shoot, I have a platform and fans and I should be grateful.
11:35And I am, but sometimes I'm like, I haven't like been with myself today at all.
11:41Exactly.
11:41And weeks go by and I'm like, yeah, I'm, I'm newer to having like a fan base.
11:48I would say like, I never really had that in the past or anything or people that are like
11:52looking forward to it or like a fan page here and they're like, it's very new to me.
11:56And I appreciate the, the support and the love always.
11:59And I appreciate you guys so much for all you, everything that you guys do.
12:02Like we wouldn't be in these positions without the support and the love, but I did have trouble
12:07at the beginning, like setting those boundaries of like responding to certain people, responding
12:11to every single person or like not responding.
12:15And then them reaching out and being like, do you hate me?
12:17Like, why do you hate me so much?
12:18And then me feeling guilty for not responding.
12:20But it's just like, you have to have these healthy boundaries in place and some people
12:24will try and cross them.
12:25And it's like, you can't feel bad for having that boundary with, you know, and at first
12:30I was like, oh my God, am I bad person for not answering that back or not liking every
12:34single thing that they're posting about me?
12:36But it's like, we do have a lot, you know, it's this public persona, but there's also
12:40our own individual people in here that we have to worry about too.
12:44Right, right.
12:45Um, yeah, so it's a really hard line that I'm still trying to kind of figure out and
12:49like, yeah.
12:50So, okay.
12:51So you've talked about boundaries a lot so far.
12:54So walk me through what a boundary looks like for you, if you're comfortable saying
12:59that and just how you actually like follow through.
13:04Cause I feel like, you know, we all want boundaries, but you know, you get intimidated or you feel
13:07bad or like, you know, that instilled guilt that you carry.
13:11Like, how do you navigate your boundary and stay true to it and just carry on?
13:15Well, so I will say, I mean, I've been in this industry since I was about like eight.
13:21So I did more of the modeling side of things like commercial work and stuff, never theatrical
13:26acting.
13:27Okay.
13:27Um, up until like last year when I did my first vert was kind of the first acting thing
13:31I did.
13:32Yeah.
13:32And so I, at least for me, I had a great, you know, my mom was like my momager.
13:37She is a great, I love you mom so much.
13:40We love supportive, you know, family.
13:42And so she always was there from like when I was young until like I turned, you know,
13:4717, was able to kind of go do this stuff on my own.
13:49And she was always there to make sure, you know, things were in line.
13:52And I, so I grew up with like a person who always had like healthy boundaries set for
13:56me when I wasn't able to.
13:57And so watching her has helped me also because I mean, when I first started these, there
14:03were one or two here and there where I was like, I would do something, I would leave and
14:07then I'd be like, Oh, I feel like yucky.
14:09I don't feel like good about myself or just like the scene makes me feel sad.
14:15I'm thankful that we were just, you know, recreating something in the book and bringing
14:19it to life to help show because in the end, Fix You is a great story about like people who
14:24are hurt, not even just internally, but physically.
14:27And like they come together and they like help themselves and they become stronger together.
14:31And so I appreciate that.
14:32And I like to bring stuff to life where it has like, you know, something like the context
14:36makes sense.
14:37That's a big thing for me.
14:38Context.
14:39But anyway, setting boundaries with that stuff.
14:41Sorry, going back to that.
14:43I've learned like I need to set healthy boundaries with myself and with others because if you don't,
14:49they will walk all over you.
14:50And that's like, I felt that when we're doing these scenes, we're in that kind of emotional
14:53state and at some point your brain just doesn't know what's real and what's not real.
14:58Like you're physically doing these things.
15:00It's hard.
15:01Everybody's boundaries are different.
15:03The extent of those boundaries are different for each project of mine.
15:06Like if they want something like an IC scene in one context versus another context, like
15:12I might be completely fine with doing the same exact thing, but the contexts are different.
15:16And it's like, this doesn't make sense in this other one.
15:18Like, why would I do that?
15:19So context is a big thing with like me defining my boundaries and it's never like cemented.
15:25It's always changing and it's okay to always change.
15:28Like you can be okay with one thing one day and then literally not okay with it the next
15:31day.
15:32And that is all right.
15:33Cause that's, that's human.
15:35That's human.
15:35It's human.
15:35You're allowed to feel different things.
15:37Like what I feel today is literally not how I'm going to feel tomorrow.
15:40Yeah.
15:40Yeah.
15:40Like our emotions are so up and down and just different.
15:44The weather changes.
15:46You feel different.
15:46It's just, it's a lot and we're doing such intense content as well.
15:50Yeah.
15:51And I love that we get to have like, you know, we get to do these amazing stories and we
15:55get to have so much fun on set and it's like, I'm so thankful to be in this industry.
16:00If it's really meant for you, it'll work its way out.
16:03You know, like you'll be able to compromise.
16:05You'll be able to talk things out.
16:06But if you know, they do release you and then you don't have to feel that, like, I don't
16:10know, that ickiness of doing something that you're not comfortable with.
16:13And then you don't, the next day you could get a call and it's like, Hey, you want
16:16you for this?
16:16Like the better job.
16:17Exactly.
16:18Oh my God.
16:19That is something that I'm personally trying to implement in my life.
16:23If I am up for a job and I don't get it for some reason, whatever it may be, there's
16:28so many different things that are not even about you either.
16:32It's if it was meant for you, you would have it.
16:35And if it's not, it's better that it's passing you and just like accept that.
16:38And sure.
16:38It might be a little like frou-frou, like, you know, whatever, like woo-woo universe
16:42thing, but I'm sorry.
16:43I'm all woo-woo universe.
16:44I'm woo-woo too.
16:45I'm very woo-woo.
16:47Do my journals.
16:48I do my navestations.
16:50Yeah.
16:50Talk to the plants.
16:51Like I do the whole thing.
16:52But that's also with mental health too.
16:54You have to.
16:55You have to.
16:55Or else if you're just in your head, you go crazy.
16:57And that's another thing too with like when we're doing these kinds of scenes and having
17:01all this craziness that happens to us and we're in these mental states, like it's so important
17:05to have stuff that you can utilize to like decompress at the end of the day and to feel
17:10better.
17:10And like, it was wild.
17:12After I did that scene, I remember posting on my Instagram, I was like, I need advice
17:16from other like actor friends, people in the industry.
17:18Like I need help with disassociating from like a scene or like just like shaking it all off.
17:22And there were so many, like the outreach of people, like just giving me recommendations.
17:26Not only was that amazing, but like just to feel that community, like people coming around
17:31you or they're like, I felt this before.
17:32I never said anything about it, but I felt it.
17:34And I'm glad you said something about it because now I can feel like I, it's not just
17:38me, you know?
17:39Yeah.
17:39It's not just you.
17:40Like it's okay to feel these things.
17:42And that's another thing.
17:43I'm like, as a human, you can feel so many different emotions at once.
17:46Like you can feel like, yes, I want to do this, but also like, this isn't for me and
17:51like have that conflicting emotion.
17:53Like that's so common.
17:54I honestly feel like that's even more common than not.
17:57I feel like it's more common to have conflicting dialogue in your head.
18:01And at least I do this all the time where I'm like having a conversation with myself.
18:05I'm like, I can't make a decision kind of where I'm like, oh, I want to do this, but
18:09it's actually not good for you, but then it'll help this.
18:11But then I don't know.
18:11And then you're like, wait, so what do I want?
18:13Which is it?
18:14You know, like I'm all over the place over here.
18:16Yeah.
18:17Do I like you?
18:18Do I not like you?
18:19How do you make me feel?
18:20Not good.
18:20But like, I'm supposed to like you, right?
18:22Yeah.
18:23No, it's and that's okay.
18:25And I always say that I'm like, allow these emotions to go in and out like waves.
18:28Like you're not and that's another thing, too, when people are like, like with the
18:32dissociating and like decompressing after a scene, it's like it's all right to feel these
18:36emotions, but also allow them to be like a wave through you, like allow it to and then
18:41fill up that your space with more positive and like uplifting things because, you know,
18:46yeah, you just let it flow through.
18:48Well, OK, so I have a question for you because I feel like a lot of people it's like, oh,
18:53yeah, do more positive things, things that make you feel good.
18:55What are your recommendations for people that are like, OK, like I hear you, but like I
19:00don't know like how to actually take action on what to do, what to do like.
19:04Well, yeah, some things that I mean, at least personally for me, I number one, I love to
19:08journal.
19:09I'm a big journaler as well.
19:10I think just getting it out because I am not a big talker.
19:14Like I love my my family, my mom and stuff, but I'm just not a big like I don't talk
19:18to
19:18people like I don't know.
19:20I prefer to just write it down in my journal.
19:22And then I because I like to look back at my journals and I like to be like, all right,
19:25I felt this in this time.
19:27And then, you know, I got through it and I'm stronger for it and I feel better.
19:30So I think journaling for me, it really helps just to get all those feelings out and onto
19:34paper.
19:35But also another thing that I love to do, I love to take long, hot showers.
19:39I think that's the just the stimulation of everything on your skin.
19:43Yeah.
19:43And that heat is like something with your nervous system.
19:46It really just helps to kind of like shake everything out, like also watching a nice
19:51like comfort movie or comfort film.
19:53I like to hike.
19:54So it's just like finding those things that give you endorphins and like make you feel
19:58good and like going out and implementing it.
20:01And it's not as easy as it is said than done.
20:05But I think it's important, like if you try to take the action, like to actually do those
20:10things, you know.
20:11But yeah, I really like to just go out and like hike.
20:14I think being out in the sun, getting vitamin D.
20:16Yeah, nature.
20:17It's where we come from.
20:18I am a very woohoo girl.
20:19So we love the veggies.
20:24But it's true.
20:25I do think a lot of people like we are all just energy buzzing around and it's important
20:30to go back to like where we came from.
20:34This is philosophical now, guys.
20:35No, but it really is true, especially even like more so nowadays where like we're chronically
20:40online on our phones all the time for like I the moment I wake up, I'm working or I'm
20:47on set filming around devices.
20:49And that's like that's what sucks about our industry is that we need to have access to
20:53phones and social media and like emails because that's how we live.
20:57Like other people in like different kinds of jobs like don't need that.
21:01To be like on their phone every five seconds.
21:03Yeah, but it's like for us, that's necessary.
21:06Like it's necessary to be, you know, checking your emails because you could have something
21:09that'd be like rush casting.
21:10Like I need this right now, right now, right now.
21:12Yeah.
21:12And it's like scary sometimes.
21:13I also think about this then like if I'm out hiking for a whole day, okay, and I have
21:17no service and something like that comes in and then I lose it.
21:19It's like it wasn't meant for you.
21:20It wasn't meant for me.
21:21It's also a way easier way to live when you can kind of believe that even if you don't
21:27believe it.
21:28I'm telling you, if you just start lying to yourself about it, it just makes life a
21:32little easier and not as heavy.
21:34And I feel like one thing that people struggle with is like, say you audition for something
21:39and they choose somebody else.
21:40It's I feel like a lot of people are always like, oh, they didn't like me, but it's not
21:44you.
21:44It's like the performance.
21:46I know literally it's it's crazy.
21:49It's not even like actually you at all.
21:52No, there's so many different things that go into it.
21:54It's so not it's sometimes it's even a positive thing about you is like literally I this
22:01happened to me this morning.
22:02I didn't book something because they I'm really good friends with the director.
22:08He told me this.
22:08He was like, you know, he was on a deal or whatever.
22:10He's like, you're not booking it.
22:11We want you, but you're not getting it because you are too like powerful and your aura is too
22:18bright.
22:20So sorry, babe.
22:22And I'm like a problem now, but I'm like, OK, I could sit here right and be like, oh
22:27my gosh, this is a really cool role.
22:28I'm really bummed.
22:29Sure.
22:30But also I wasn't meant to be on that set.
22:32Exactly.
22:32I wasn't meant to do that.
22:33Another actress is meant to do that.
22:34And she's going to do great.
22:35And there are so many roles, like so many things popping up.
22:38This is only the start, at least of like this vertical industry in like, you know, the
22:41West, you know, the West side.
22:43And so it's like there are so many out there and you will find one.
22:47It'll be there for you.
22:47But yeah, I think that a lot of people do struggle with that.
22:49And it's hard.
22:51I've been doing this since I was eight and I've gotten probably well over like 5,000
22:55no's.
22:55Yeah.
22:56Like that's 18 years that I've been doing this.
22:58It's really hard.
23:00If I stayed on every single no, I would be so miserable.
23:04I would be so depressed.
23:05And you just you can't live like that.
23:07Like if it's a no, let it go.
23:09If it's a no, you let it go and you go on to the.
23:12Exactly.
23:12And it wasn't meant for you.
23:14Like, truly.
23:14I also feel like that even of course, we're talking about specifically with acting, but
23:18even if you're talking about like relationships or like other jobs, it also works for everything
23:24too.
23:25If somebody doesn't like you, it's not because there's something wrong with you.
23:28It's because it's just you're also not their person.
23:31Exactly.
23:31I did struggle with that a lot growing up.
23:34But now I'm at a point where I'm also in the same sense of like emotions come and go as
23:39waves.
23:39The universe has it has me like that it's got my back, whatever is supposed to happen
23:44to me, whoever I'm supposed to meet, whatever I'm supposed to do, anything in that kind
23:47of capacity, I just got to let it go with the flow, you know, and trust in it.
23:51And I never am hard on myself when I lose something.
23:54I understand like, like you said, in any single like part of our lives, it's never anything
24:00that you do.
24:01It's always other people and like what they have going on.
24:04And so it's like, yeah, you could think that, oh, I'm not a good actor.
24:07Oh, I'm terrible at this.
24:09And it's like, there's so many other things and you can't focus on that.
24:11And it's so easy.
24:13It's so much easier to fall into the negativity trap and just like the self hate and like
24:17the whole thing, whatever you're going through.
24:18It does take active brain work to go the positive route, but it is so much better on that side
24:25of it because I've very much been on both where, you know, you have the self hate thing,
24:29but then it's like, then what?
24:32Like, what do you do with that?
24:33Like, you're just miserable.
24:34And that's why I'm, whenever people like have grudges or things like that, I'm always
24:38like, why?
24:38Because that's something that's like, you're causing your own misery.
24:41Yeah.
24:41It's like, those people probably haven't thought about this for years.
24:44And it's like, it's still something that's stuck on you.
24:47I think I was born with like a predisposition to optimism.
24:51I always say that.
24:52Oh, that's so nice.
24:54Because I tend to be like happier, more go lucky.
24:58And I'm thankful that I, you know, grew up in a way that I was able to do that.
25:02But it doesn't mean that I don't see like the negativities of the world and like how
25:06things can bring you down.
25:07And it doesn't mean that I haven't experienced that, which I have very many times in life.
25:12It's not easy.
25:13Yeah.
25:13Especially this industry, you know, inconsistent and crazy it is.
25:16But I just, I always try and think like how you think creates a reality.
25:20And so if you're always thinking negatively and like just sad, it's, that's what you're
25:25going to be like drawn to.
25:27And so it does take like that consciousness to be like, all right, I can either sit and
25:32wallow or I can figure something out.
25:34I can go do this.
25:35Like we have backstage casting networks, actors access, like the amount of like access that
25:41we have to the internet that back, you know, back in the day you wouldn't be able to, like
25:45you have so many different things to help you and to propel you.
25:49And like even backstage, it's like nice to do, to find like other smaller things if you're
25:53just starting, you know, and like, but there's, yeah, it's, it's hard to definitely stay optimistic
25:58sometimes, but it just, it's all about where you put your energy to.
26:01Right.
26:02I saw this, I was scrolling and I love when I end up brain rotting on like manifestation
26:07pages.
26:08That's always so good.
26:09And you're like, okay, this is like what it's feeding me right now.
26:11What am I going through?
26:12That's my phone knows that I need some help right now.
26:15So, um, there was this quote or this guy, um, talking about how obviously it's really
26:21easy to go negative and like you, or overthinking, I'm an overthinker, chronic overthinker where
26:26I'm like, okay, well, this is what's going to happen.
26:28And then I go through the whole thing, but you can also put that exact amount of overthinking
26:33into one, if it works out, like one, if it does work out and that's also the exact
26:38same brain functioning going on in a positive way.
26:42And it's just healthier.
26:44Yeah.
26:44It really is.
26:45It's a lot healthier.
26:46Stress causes so many issues and it's important to, you know, de-stress yourself.
26:52For sure.
26:53Do things to help with that.
26:54I know.
26:55It's so hard.
26:56So being an actress and working in this space since you were eight, do you face a lot of
27:01criticisms?
27:02How does that work for you?
27:04I mean, I don't think I faced much criticism.
27:07I feel like the most criticism that I face is maybe like getting into the verts, but it's
27:12from other actors and actresses.
27:14And like, oh, you're doing verticals?
27:17Like the other night I met.
27:18Oh my God.
27:19Yeah.
27:19I know.
27:20Like literally.
27:20Yeah.
27:21I met this.
27:21I was with my friend.
27:22I'm dead.
27:23Her name's Eloise Gordon.
27:24She does verts as well.
27:25Sarah Donnelly.
27:26We were all just kind of chilling.
27:28And these like two drunk people come up and they're like, hey, we're your neighbors.
27:31Can we come say hi?
27:32And we were all just like, okay.
27:35Well, this drunk lady starts going off on us about how, cause she's like, oh, what do
27:39you guys, like, what do you guys do?
27:41And we're like, oh, we're in acting.
27:42Like we do stuff.
27:43And she's like, oh, cool.
27:44But I, I hate the verticals.
27:47Like they're terrible.
27:48They're not real.
27:50And we were like, girl, number one, you got the wrong audience.
27:53You were in the wrong room, sis.
27:54And we were all just like, are you, well, how, okay.
27:57Number one, have you worked in the past like three years at all?
28:01Because the amount of opportunities that verticals give to people, at least just starting out or
28:07like, there are so many jobs being filled with these verticals that like regular, you
28:13know, SAG stuff, like they just haven't had for like the past three years.
28:16And also like the platforms, like we get, we get just so many opportunities from these
28:21and they're fun storylines.
28:22We get to travel.
28:23I've been to like two different countries for this.
28:25Like it's the opportunity, the being, like having that experience on set when, you know,
28:31in a time where not a lot of people are able to work, like it's so awesome.
28:34And I'm just like, for you to like down anybody's job is just a terrible thing.
28:41Any job.
28:41Any job.
28:42Whatever it is.
28:43It's like, girl, life is hard enough.
28:45Yeah.
28:45That's so, it just, such a perfect example of like, she's miserable or insecure.
28:51We all were like, we hope that she's okay.
28:54Yeah, hope she gets through whatever she's going through.
28:56Her friend who was with her, he was just like, like he knew she was going on.
29:00Maybe she didn't get booked on when she auditioned for her.
29:02I don't know what it is, but it's also about like, you don't, there's no reason to spew
29:05out hate or spew out negativity towards anybody else.
29:09When like, we're all just humans on this world where nobody knows what the right thing is
29:14to do on earth.
29:15Like there's no reason to be mean.
29:16There's no reason to put down anybody.
29:18I think she was just, you know, miserable with herself.
29:21And it's like, I would never do that about anything.
29:23I think verticals are great.
29:25They're a different type of content.
29:26It's new.
29:27It's just starting like at least over here.
29:30And we're still figuring it out.
29:31And it's also a job.
29:33And it's a job in an economy where it's not easy to work.
29:37Not people, not many people are able to live in Los Angeles.
29:40Right.
29:40Very thankful that I'm in a position where I'm financially stable.
29:43Cause that's a whole other thing.
29:45When I moved out here, when I was 18, I like lied to my mom.
29:49I told her I was babysitting.
29:51I was not babysitting.
29:52Oh my gosh.
29:52This was like six years ago.
29:54I wanted to.
29:55So this is when COVID was just about like just starting.
29:58My roommate dropped out of our college in Kentucky and like went out to LA, came out here.
30:04She was a dancer and she was like, just come out.
30:06Like our college is closing.
30:07So I dropped out.
30:09Yeah.
30:09I was like, all right, let's go.
30:11Did you tell your parents?
30:11I did tell them, but I didn't tell them I dropped out.
30:14Okay.
30:14They're like, they're going online.
30:16Yeah.
30:17Yeah.
30:17Yeah.
30:17COVID.
30:18And I had this opportunity to move to LA and also I was in the industry for a while.
30:21And so my mom was like, okay, cool.
30:23Like as long as you promise, like you're good.
30:26Cause I also have always been kind of self-sufficient.
30:28Like I'm thankful.
30:29Like I had a Coogan account growing up until I was like 18.
30:32But when I moved to LA, I just got wrapped up in some really bad things.
30:37Like some underground things.
30:39Like I started to just lose myself.
30:41I ended up spending like over $60,000 in like four or five months.
30:46And it can happen so fast.
30:48It happens so quick.
30:49I just got so caught up in the wrong people with the wrong life.
30:52Yeah.
30:53And I will never forget.
30:53Like I was on, I was in Santa Monica.
30:55It was like sunset.
30:56I had a hammock.
30:57I was like, call my mom.
30:58And I was like, mom, I need to just tell you.
31:01Like I had negative 200 in my bank account back and forth for the past like two months.
31:05I, I just, I can't, don't think I can be out here.
31:08And also at this time I was having problems with my roommate.
31:10Cause she had some mental health issues.
31:12And like, I just remember being in these places and I was like, is this when the police,
31:17like the day that the police are going to come in and like arrest me?
31:19Like I was just doing really bad stuff with like underground things.
31:22And so it was, it was terrible.
31:25And so it took so much to finally call her and tell her the truth.
31:30Yeah.
31:31And even when I did call her, I didn't tell her like the full thing.
31:34But she was, she's the most amazing woman I know.
31:36And so she was like, all right, we will get you home.
31:38Like you will be okay.
31:39Yeah.
31:40And so I was so thankful for that.
31:41But that is something that I will, that's a lesson that I'm glad I learned when I was 18.
31:45Yeah.
31:45I will never put myself in those kind of, I don't know.
31:49It's just, I learned a lot.
31:51Yeah.
31:51And I'm thankful that I learned it then.
31:53And now I'm 25.
31:54Yeah.
31:54I'm older.
31:55I'm have a better head on my shoulders from it.
31:58Very financially stable.
31:59Cause I'm very frugal now.
32:00Yeah.
32:01Safe girl.
32:02She loves writing in her journal.
32:03She does her little acting and hike.
32:05Healthy girly.
32:06I try, I try to, but yeah, that was, that was a crazy time.
32:09And so I left California.
32:11I was like, I never want to be in this industry again.
32:13Like I hate this industry.
32:15It just took me into like the worst things.
32:16And for a while I didn't, I like, I went, I got married.
32:20I had a whole life when I was with him.
32:22And I lived in Kentucky cause I met him in college before I moved out to LA.
32:25Okay.
32:26So we ended up getting a house, having a dog.
32:28Wow.
32:28Oh my God.
32:29You did like the whole thing.
32:30I wanted, I wanted to be a wife.
32:31I still want to be a wife.
32:33Yeah.
32:33Like I'm a wifey.
32:34I like that.
32:35Yeah.
32:35I like that kind of stuff.
32:36She's a wifey.
32:38But.
32:38It's hard to meet a guy.
32:40Okay.
32:40That's, yeah, that's a whole other thing.
32:42But it is.
32:43Guy, girl, everybody.
32:44It's like.
32:44I thought he was perfect.
32:45I thought he was great.
32:46They always do that, don't they?
32:48They always do.
32:49And then I ended up finding out he was like planning a whole life behind my back.
32:53Shut up.
32:54He went on a boy's trip to Hawaii.
32:56Oh.
32:56And the boy's trip was him and his guy friend meeting up with these two girls that they had
33:00been talking to.
33:01And so I had no idea until.
33:04How did you find out?
33:05So the first, like a month before this happened, I was like going through his phone.
33:08Cause mind you also.
33:09You had the energy.
33:10Like you could feel it.
33:11I could feel it.
33:12Like he started to want to do his own groceries, wanted to do his own laundry, like all this
33:15other crazy stuff.
33:16You're like, who the hell wanted to do that?
33:17Yeah.
33:18And so I just was like, all right, what's going on?
33:20I looked on his phone one day when he was showering.
33:22Cause also mind you, my family, we ended up getting him like a phone, putting him on
33:25our phone plan.
33:26Cause he was, um, he's from Turkey.
33:28And so he was here on a student visa.
33:30And so we had gotten married cause I, and I didn't tell anybody either.
33:34I didn't tell my parents or anything.
33:35Only our friends were two witnesses.
33:37Cause we were, I was young and dumb and I was like, I was in love.
33:41I was like, I want you to stay here with me.
33:42No, I know.
33:42Like of course I'll just marry you.
33:44We're going to be together for the rest of our life anyway.
33:46And we were together for like two years before that.
33:48So I was like, it should be fine.
33:50Well, yeah.
33:51And so then I was like, I found some things.
33:53I was like, all right, I'm giving you this opportunity to like remove these people.
33:56It'll be fine.
33:57Like if you do.
33:58And like, we work on ourselves.
33:59Then a month later he goes on this Hawaii trip, boys trip.
34:03He comes back.
34:04And I, my mom had just gotten to our house from Pennsylvania.
34:06Like she drove over.
34:07And so she's sleeping in our bedroom and we were going to sleep on the couch.
34:10This man's fell asleep on the couch.
34:12I come back out.
34:13I'm literally spooning next to him and I'm like scrolling on his phone.
34:17I'm dead.
34:18Yeah.
34:18You're just like, and I go and there's like over 700 deleted messages from this one girl.
34:23And I start looking through it and it's like him like planning a whole life with her.
34:28She was from Canada and they were like planning a whole life together.
34:31I literally just go back to my mom and I show her everything.
34:35And I, and then I'm like, all right, I'm kicking him out of the house.
34:38I'm like, this is my house.
34:39Yeah.
34:39Bye.
34:40And so I literally go in the living room.
34:41I flick on the lights and I'm like, what the F is this?
34:45Yes.
34:45And he literally rises and he's like, and I'm like, and he's like, why do you have my phone?
34:51I'm like, oh my God.
34:52Your phone, the one that I bought you that I pay for every month.
34:55Oh my God.
34:55Also not him doing this on the phone that you pay for.
34:58Yes.
34:59Bitch.
35:00I was just, it was the craziest thing ever.
35:02And so leave, I kicked him out that night and he did not go back in our house.
35:06I kept our dog Dumont.
35:08I love him so much.
35:09He's at home in Pennsylvania.
35:10We have like a farm in Pennsylvania.
35:12So like he gets to live out his good dog.
35:14Dumont's doing well.
35:15He's doing great.
35:17And I get to see him whenever I'm home and stuff, which is nice.
35:19But he also keeps my mom company.
35:22But yeah, so he, I was just like, you need to leave.
35:24And that was the last time he was in that house.
35:25I packed all of his stuff, put it outside for whenever he wanted to come and get it.
35:29And then that prompted me.
35:31I sold every single thing that I owned.
35:33I cut my hair to here.
35:35I cut 18 inches off of it.
35:36Oh my gosh, it's so long too.
35:37Wow.
35:38Well, this was like three years ago.
35:39Did it feel good to like chop it?
35:41It felt so good.
35:42But I sold everything I owned.
35:43I had a backpack and like one other bag.
35:45And I traveled abroad for like a year and a half.
35:48Where'd you go?
35:48I went to like France mostly.
35:50I did a lot of like volunteer work.
35:52It's called Workaway.
35:54So I did all of that in France.
35:57And I just like would go down and like just to different homes.
36:00And I like just traveled.
36:01And I love landscape architecture.
36:02So I was doing that a little bit.
36:04And like helping them out with that.
36:06Wherever I would live.
36:07But yeah, that, it was such a dark time before I left.
36:11Like when everything was just happening.
36:12And I was like, this is like three years of my life that I've built.
36:15And now it's like gone.
36:17Gone down the drain.
36:17And like lied to.
36:18Lied to.
36:19But one thing that I always remember is like the last day of like when we were signing
36:24our divorce papers.
36:25We walk out.
36:27And he's like, well, do you want like one last hug?
36:29And I was like, no, thank you.
36:31Bye.
36:32And I just like turned around and walked.
36:33Because I'm like, who do you think you are?
36:36No, I don't want a hug from you.
36:37You just like ruined it.
36:38Was he like, oh.
36:39He was just like, I don't know.
36:40I turn around and I walk away.
36:41Yeah, you never look back.
36:42You never look back.
36:43I'll never look back.
36:43Don't look back.
36:45But so that was, yeah, dark.
36:46But we got through it.
36:48You know, I did that in France.
36:49And then I started running out of money again.
36:50And I was like, okay, well, what do I do?
36:52I don't know if I want to model again.
36:54Like I hate that industry.
36:56But I'm running out of money.
36:58I'm in a different country.
36:59What can I do?
37:00What can I do?
37:00Yeah.
37:01So I got back.
37:02And I, my dad, he travels to work.
37:04He does like construction.
37:05So I was working or I was staying with him down south while he was working.
37:09And I was just waitressing at like a golf course, like club thing.
37:14And I was like, this doesn't really feel fulfilling to me still.
37:17So like, I really enjoyed, I love talking to people.
37:20I love yapping.
37:21Yeah.
37:21As you guys can probably tell me, yappers.
37:23I love the yaps.
37:24But yeah, so I was like, this isn't fulfilling to me, but I don't want to go back to modeling.
37:28And then that's when I, I started to, I don't know, I was just doing little things here and there
37:33for money.
37:33And I met somebody who got me in contact with my manager out here.
37:37And then the whole thing kind of started with that because I was like, all right, if I don't want
37:42to do modeling, acting would be fun.
37:44Like I want to do something more where I can be sad.
37:46I could be scary.
37:47I could be emotional.
37:48I could do all this stuff.
37:49And you have a deep well.
37:50Yeah.
37:51Yeah.
37:51So.
37:52You do.
37:52She does.
37:54I appreciate it.
37:56But yeah, so I was just like, you know, let me try that.
37:58Let me try that.
37:59And then I booked my first vertical back in like April of last year.
38:02Yeah.
38:02It's been good ever since, but it's definitely not easy.
38:06And every day we go through struggles.
38:08Absolutely.
38:09But yeah, there was some times where I was just like, what do I do?
38:12I don't know what I want to do or what I'm feeling fulfilled doing.
38:15Honestly, even I feel like when you do have a path that's like working, it's still sometimes you're like questioning
38:20it.
38:20You're like, is this actually what I'm meant to be doing?
38:22Like, do I fully enjoy this?
38:24Is this right?
38:24Yeah.
38:25It's hard.
38:26It's really hard to know.
38:27In this space too, like coming back to the verticals with like when you get some of these scripts and
38:30you're like, what is this?
38:33Oh my God.
38:33I know.
38:34It's like, I have to beat everybody.
38:36Like, I am so mean, you know, like I am A-B using everybody.
38:39But you have to going back to boundaries.
38:40It's like, you need to set these boundaries.
38:43Like, I've had conversations with people where I'm like, no, I'm not doing this.
38:47And like, they push and they push and they push.
38:48And I'm like, you're going to have to find another girl.
38:50Like, I'm sorry, but I'm not comfortable with this.
38:52And luckily, like, I feel like we're, you know, we have been in this long enough where we can, we
38:57are comfortable with that.
38:58But like when you're just starting out, it's, it's very scary and you don't want to be like, say, blacklisted.
39:02Okay, I have a question for you to give some advice for our fans.
39:06So back when we were talking about like the ex-Turkish piece of shit, like that's a painful discovery.
39:15Yeah.
39:16That's your husband.
39:17Yeah.
39:17That you thought you were going to have a life with and it changed.
39:20Yeah.
39:21Yet you're still so true to like, I'm not hugging you.
39:25Yeah.
39:25Get out, bitch.
39:26But you talking about it, it's like, oh, wow, yeah, she's just like super powerful.
39:30But you were probably going through a lot of like sadness during that too.
39:33Oh my gosh.
39:33How do you actually follow your boundary and stand up for yourself in this moment?
39:37No, yeah, that was very, that was hard because also I met him when I first went to college.
39:42I actually met him through the friends that I met at college, like our freshman year.
39:46He was on like the diving team and I was like in the same dorm as all.
39:50Not the diving team.
39:51I know.
39:53It was so random.
39:54No, for sure.
39:55He was on the diving team.
39:56I get it.
39:57Swimmer.
39:58Yeah.
40:00But no, it was funny because like I met all of those friends and then they, like, it was such
40:05a meet cute too.
40:07Like the first time I met was like in the first day of like the new semester.
40:12It was like I was with all of like the divers that I had known in like my dorm and
40:17then he like comes in and starts walking up the stairs and I was like.
40:21And then he like knows all of them and starts sitting down.
40:24And so it was such a cute meet cute.
40:25This is like actually a real short.
40:27It literally, it really was.
40:28I have a lot of life things and I'm like one day I will write these into scripts.
40:32Oh my God, you should.
40:33Into something.
40:34But yeah, no, it was, it was great at first.
40:36And then it was hard because when we did, when all this was going down, we were, our friend group,
40:41like it was us, like we were a big friend group, you know, and we were like mom and dad.
40:46Yeah, yeah.
40:47And so when this happened, I struggled because it was like people, you know, were picking sides kind of.
40:53Of course.
40:53And not even picking sides, but it was just like I didn't really tell them what happened at first and
40:58everybody was kind of confused.
40:59And then, because like he had went over to their place, like some of the guys right after it came
41:04out.
41:05And so I feel like he kind of not got to them first, but kind of told them first.
41:09And I was like, guys, the proof is in his phone.
41:12Literally.
41:12He's a POS.
41:13And so, I don't know, I kind of felt a little resentment for that friend group for a while too,
41:18because I was like, guys, like this was the worst thing that you can do to somebody.
41:22And you're still friends with him and like you're okay with him.
41:25Like that honestly hurt more than like him.
41:27Than like him, right.
41:27Like him doing it.
41:28Like the betrayal of the like friends almost.
41:31Yeah, because it was like, there's like 20 of us.
41:33Like we would always have like Thanksgiving's together, Christmas's together.
41:35Like it was a big family.
41:36And then so it felt, it felt like, yeah, just like hard knowing that they were still comfortable with him.
41:41They were still friends with him.
41:42And it's like, it is what it is.
41:44But I just, yeah, felt like sad from that.
41:47Yeah.
41:48But then instead of being sad, I started to get mad.
41:50And I was like, boy, you don't deserve this.
41:52You don't deserve me.
41:53It's not fair.
41:54I don't deserve this.
41:56And then that's when I started to get mad.
41:58And I was like, all right, I can either sit here, wallow, be sad for like a year or two.
42:03Or I can be like, all right, we got a shift in life.
42:07We have new opportunities.
42:09We can do new things.
42:10It wasn't meant for you.
42:11It wasn't meant for me.
42:12We will get through this.
42:13It's going to make me stronger in the end.
42:14And this isn't going to be the thing that takes me down.
42:16So yeah.
42:17Yeah.
42:18But it was definitely hard for a while.
42:20Oh, yeah.
42:21But we got through it.
42:21I feel like that's a really good trick almost on yourself.
42:24If you're sad going through something, which is a normal emotion, if you can change it a little bit, if
42:30you're kind of like viewing yourself as maybe a friend or something.
42:33If your friend was going through this, how would you want them to act?
42:36Yeah.
42:37Act like that.
42:38Yeah, exactly.
42:38True.
42:39Take a step back out and look at things from a different perspective for a second and then go back
42:43into it and be like, all right, here's what we can do.
42:46Yeah.
42:47Me, myself, and I, here's what we are.
42:48Yeah, yes, exactly.
42:50The collective within me.
42:51Me and my brain with all myself and personalities.
42:53Which one are we today?
42:55Yeah.
42:56That's right.
42:56Also, another thing, too, is like acting and being on these different characters.
43:00Oh, God.
43:00I know.
43:00I'm like literally 10 humans.
43:02Especially being like doing villain characters.
43:03I can only imagine how hard it is to do.
43:07I just feel like it's crazy.
43:08I will say this.
43:10Actually, I'm pretty good about once I rap, like becoming myself again.
43:13Sure, yeah.
43:13But the hardest thing is on set.
43:16So, okay, you guys all know my characters or other villains and what they're like.
43:23They're pretty insane and intense.
43:26I have a hard time if I'm doing a crazy villain scene and then it's like, okay, we're cutting and
43:31then it's like somebody's like talking to me.
43:33It's not that I'm like, but I'm like not myself.
43:37And then a lot of times people on set will like forget that I'm playing a character almost where it's
43:44like, oh, no, like she's not like Sarah right now.
43:47I'm beating humans and doing crazy things.
43:51The most random things.
43:52And so sometimes I feel like I have to overcompensate.
43:55I have to be like, hi.
43:58Which can also be draining too.
43:59And it is because I feel like people will just look at me and assume I'm bitchy or villainy or
44:04mean because of the way I look.
44:06Yeah.
44:06Because of my characters, because of the personality type.
44:09Yeah.
44:09And then I feel like I have to do extra work of proving that I'm not that.
44:15And that gets exhausting for me.
44:17Oh, 100%.
44:17Yeah.
44:18But once I'm wrapped, a lot of times I disassociate in the car where I'm just like, oh, and then
44:25I'm like, oh, I just drove.
44:25That seems illegal.
44:26I know.
44:27It's like, oh, I'm home already?
44:28I don't remember the road for the last hour.
44:29Yeah, I'm like, wait, I literally should not be driving right now.
44:32No, I feel you.
44:33Do you know what I mean?
44:33After a shoot, you're just like, yeah.
44:36No, it's like I am staring at the road, but I haven't been.
44:39There's nothing behind those eyes.
44:41Okay, so obviously we talk so much about boundaries, mental health, just what we go through as humans existing in
44:48the world.
44:48If you could leave your fans with anything today, what would you say and how to do it, how to
44:54achieve it, go off?
44:55Okay, I guess going on the theme of what we've been talking about today is just stay true to yourself,
45:01your morals, your boundaries.
45:03You know, you are the only person that is yourself in this world.
45:07Yeah.
45:07And you're going to be the only person that stays with yourself your entire life.
45:11And so it's important to make sure that you are comfortable in any capacity, whatever you have to do, and
45:16that you're happy and proud of yourself for doing it.
45:18And you don't look back and you're like, that's the worst feeling.
45:22You know, it's very important to set those boundaries and have those morals, and it's okay to be different.
45:27Everybody can have different morals and different boundaries, but whatever is true to you, keep that and don't let, especially
45:33this industry, if you're in it, change you because they will try and it's important to stay true to yourself.
45:37We want unique individual people and you don't need to get shuffled into, you know, a system.
45:42And yeah, so stay true to yourself.
45:44I needed this today.
45:47Don't dim your light for anybody.
45:49Precisely.
45:50All right, Real Talk fans.
45:51I love you guys so much and we'll see you next week.
45:53Thanks, guys.
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