00:00Mr. Fair, did the Southern Property Law Center use donor money to have field sources attend
00:05extremist rallies across the country?
00:10Mr. Chairman, it's a simple question.
00:13Did you use your donor money for that purpose?
00:16We used donor money to pay confidential informants to infiltrate extremist organizations.
00:25Did the Southern Property Law Center use donor dollars to have field sources host extremist
00:29rallies throughout the country?
00:32Not to my knowledge.
00:33That's not what the indictment says.
00:35Did the Southern Property Law Center use donor dollars to have field sources grow existing
00:38chapters of extremist groups?
00:40Mr. Chairman, as I said earlier—
00:43It's a simple question, Mr. Fair.
00:44Did you use donor money for the purpose I just read?
00:47I'm reading straight from the superseding indictment.
00:49And, Mr. Chairman, the indictment will be managed and responded to by counsel in the criminal
00:55case that's been made.
00:56Well, you just answered a question from Mr. Raskin concerning the indictment.
00:58And he asked you, did field sources send information to the FBI that help with things?
01:01You answered that question.
01:02That's a matter of public knowledge.
01:03That's in our public filing.
01:05Did the Southern Property Law Center use donor money to have field sources create new
01:10chapters of extremist groups?
01:12Again, Mr. Chairman.
01:14Did the Southern Property Law Center use donor money to recruit new individuals into those
01:19extremist groups?
01:21I assume you don't want me to answer since you're not giving me time to answer.
01:24No, I'm giving you time to answer because that's a yes.
01:26Did you use your donor's money for that purpose?
01:29Yes or no?
01:30Again, those issues will be resolved in the pending allegations against the SPLC.
01:37It seems to me if the answer is no, you could say no.
01:40We have asserted that the allegations are false.
01:43Did the Southern Property Law Center use donor money to have field sources make donations to
01:47extremist group leaders and purchase materials for cross burnings?
01:51It's alleged in the indictment.
01:53Did it happen?
01:53We've alleged that those allegations are false.
01:56Did the Southern Property Law Center use donor dollars to have field sources create racist
01:59paraphernalia that extremist groups sold at rallies?
02:05We've alleged that those allegations are false.
02:07Okay, how about this?
02:08What is Fox Photography?
02:15Mr. Chairman, what I've learned about Fox Photography, I've learned from counsel in
02:21conversations with counsel.
02:23How about Northwest Technologies?
02:25And they're covered by the attorney-client privilege.
02:27I'm not, I'm, these are, these are, well, did the Southern Poverty Law Center establish
02:32shell companies to pay, to run the money through, to then pay the field sources?
02:40Again, all of the allegations that you are referring to, Chairman Jordan, will be-
02:46Well, how about this?
02:47... responded to by our counsel in the Middle District of Alabama.
02:54Did you pay the field sources directly or did you pay them through an intermediary?
03:02Mr. Chairman Jordan?
03:04Yep.
03:05Our counsel will respond to all the allegations in the indictment in the case pending in the
03:11Middle District.
03:11Well, there's all these companies that you sent money to, Center Investigative Agency, not
03:16the CIA, but your CIA, Fox Photography, Northwest Technologies, Tech Writers Group, Rare Books
03:21Warehouses, Imagery Link, J&J Electronics, and Kelly's Marine.
03:26And I'm just wanting to know if that was the intermediate shell companies that you guys
03:29set up to pay the field sources.
03:31Is that true?
03:34Will the good chairman yield for just a moment?
03:36No, I got just a minute and a half and then I'll be happy to entertain a question you may
03:39have.
03:39Chairman Jordan, our counsel will respond to all the allegations in the Middle District
03:45of Alabama, as the process allows.
03:49Did you do it all for the money?
03:52I mean, you said now, I think the Southern Public Law Center said you're no longer going
03:55to use these field sources, you're going to stop the program, but you did it for multiple
03:58years and according to the indictment, it was $4 million that you shelled out to these
04:02various field sources to engage in all the activities I just read.
04:06Was it all about the money?
04:07As we said in our public statement, Chairman Jordan, we did it to protect our staff and to
04:12protect the public.
04:13Did fundraising increase after paying people to stay in these groups who actually wanted
04:18out of them?
04:19Did your fundraising increase?
04:21Did the donations coming in increase?
04:25Chairman Jordan, I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to when you say-
04:30How about this?
04:30After the crazy Charlottesville rally, did fundraising go up?
04:35Mr. Chairman, our fundraising went up.
04:39Fundraising where one of your field sources helped coordinate transportation-
04:42Our fundraising went up.
04:43Did it go up when President Donald Trump was elected in 2016?
04:47Fundraising go up after you paid a field source to coordinate the transportation at an event
04:51in Charlottesville where a person was killed.
04:53That's what I'm asking.
04:54Did it go up?
04:54Because according to what we know, you went from $51 million to $133 million in one year.
04:59And that happened when President Donald Trump was elected.
05:05Who's the president of the National Socialist Party?
05:10You know?
05:14You paid him $70,000.
05:15He was field source number 30.
05:17I just want to know who he is.
05:18Do you know who he is?
05:19Mr. Chairman, that's an allegation in the indictment that will be responded to by counsel
05:24in the Middle District of Alabama.
05:27My time has expired.
05:28The chair now recognizes the gentleman from New York.
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