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کمیسر محیط زیست اتحادیه اروپا به یورونیوز گفت بروکسل باید «نقاط را به هم وصل کند» و درک کند که منافع زیستمحیطی، اقتصادی و امنیتی به هم وابستهاند.
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کمیسر محیط زیست اتحادیه اروپا به یورونیوز گفت بروکسل باید «نقاط را به هم وصل کند» و درک کند که منافع زیستمحیطی، اقتصادی و امنیتی به هم وابستهاند.
لب بیشتر : http://parsi.euronews.com/2026/06/09/eus-environmental-policy-must-be-part-of-defence-strategy-commissioner-roswall-says
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00:07Hello and welcome to the Europe Conversation. I'm Stefan Grobe.
00:11Today's guest combines a foundational career in criminal and family law
00:16with extensive experience in Swedish and EU politics.
00:20She served as a member of Parliament and then Minister for EU Affairs and Nordic Cooperation
00:26before joining the European Commission in 2024.
00:31Welcome, EU Commissioner for Environment, Water Resilience and a Competitive Circular Economy, Jessica Roswall.
00:38It's good to have you here, ma'am.
00:40Thank you very much for taking me.
00:41So that's a long title. I want to start with something particular, hazardous chemicals.
00:48Because more than 80% of European citizens are actively concerned about harmful chemicals in everyday life.
00:56products, you know the numbers. They are demanding a clean environment.
01:01Is the Commission hearing this call and taking it seriously?
01:05Absolutely we are. I am also concerned.
01:08I am one of these citizens who do care about how the chemicals that are hazardous is affecting me and
01:14the environment.
01:16Myself, during the Danish presidency, I took a PFAS test.
01:19So I also have, like most people, PFAS in my body. I am a mother and my grandmother.
01:24PFAS we should explain are the forever chemicals.
01:27It's the forever chemicals, exactly.
01:28Exactly. So, of course, I am concerned and that is why we are taking action.
01:33At the moment, we are assessing together with the European Chemical Agency.
01:39They are doing the assessment and then we will take it further on how we can both tap the fluid
01:47to chemicals.
01:48I mean, how can we see that we can seek a ban for PFAS in consumer products, but also the
01:55other part, which is also very important, how we can see that we can do the cleanup more efficiently and
02:01more cost efficiently.
02:02So, absolutely, we are trying to stop the tap, if you may say so.
02:07You recently said you want to impose stricter restrictions, yet Osa von der Leyen has repeatedly refused to visit communities
02:17affected by forever chemicals.
02:20Do I detect the problem of messaging here?
02:23No. I mean, we are addressing the forever chemicals, but also other hazardous chemicals, or it can be pollution, whatever.
02:31I mean, we all deserve and we want to have clean water, so we are addressing both chemicals, but also
02:37micropollutants and other things.
02:39This is a core issue for me and for European citizens.
02:42Myself, I have done a lot of study visits around Europe and different hotspots, also meeting people who have chemicals
02:51in their body or born polluted.
02:53Four years ago, the Commission sought to push what was hailed at the time as the largest ever ban on
03:01toxic chemicals, but little has moved since then.
03:04Then, why is starting this process of regulating chemicals so difficult?
03:09I mean, I should not say start, because of course, we have a regulation since 20 years.
03:14We call it the REACH regulation.
03:16I mean, it's a very, it's a core regulation in Europe, and it's also very popular.
03:21It's been exported, if you may say, around the world, which has helped us.
03:24But with that said, we also know that there's some that needs to be modernized and it needs to be
03:29updated.
03:30Here, the Forever Chemicals is one, which we have taken into trying to address.
03:36It's not easy.
03:37It takes time.
03:38It's not like one chemical.
03:39It's thousands of chemicals.
03:41So it takes time to assess and also to discuss on where, because unfortunately we cannot just say skip the
03:48Forever Chemicals,
03:49because we need them also in different health products, in different digital solutions.
03:57So the other core issue for me here is to say, okay, if we don't have substitution on this, whatever
04:03project it is, that is necessary for our daily life,
04:06then we need to safeguard that the substances doesn't go out in the nature or in people's bodies.
04:13I think we are addressing it as fast as possible, but it is a complex question.
04:18Moving on to another of your competences, and that is water.
04:23Europe's water resources are under growing pressures from droughts and extreme weather.
04:29We see that every year.
04:31Is the continent prepared for a future of water scarcity?
04:36We can call it water bankruptcy, actually, in the world.
04:40Bankruptcy, you see?
04:41Yeah, I would say that that is the situation that we need to address.
04:45I am the first commissioner with water in my title, even though it's long, as you say.
04:49But that is because we see that we need to take water as a political priority.
04:55We cannot take water for granted.
04:57That comes to all of Europe.
04:59Then, of course, we have different situations in Spain compared to Finland.
05:03But the fact is that we all have sometimes in Europe too little water, too much water.
05:09And we need to address that.
05:11And that is the situation.
05:13And, yes, we are taking a lot of action.
05:15We put forward the water resilience strategy last year with a lot of actions.
05:19But now it's time to act.
05:21Yeah, you mentioned too much water.
05:22However, we can say that we have a problem of flooding here that comes regularly.
05:28The commission itself has noted that 90% of disasters are related to water in the EU and no EU
05:35country is spared.
05:36Last week, Belgium hosted a major EU disaster response exercise.
05:44How prepared are we to deal with this?
05:46Better than we used to be, but we need to continue.
05:51And I think that it is.
05:52And it's linked.
05:53I mean, sometimes it is floods, but sometimes it's droughts.
05:56Sometimes we also have wildfires.
05:58All these are connected in that way that we know they will come more often and be more severe.
06:04So we need to be more prepared.
06:06We also need to prevent these floods to happen.
06:09Of course, it's linked to climate change.
06:11It's linked to that we need to do more investments in nature.
06:15We need to have more nature-based solutions that functions like a sponge before floods will appear.
06:21So, I mean, I would say that our member states are more prepared because we have had some really serious
06:27floods the last years.
06:29The thing that is maybe new is that this is not something that's happened just every 20 years, 100 years
06:36or something.
06:37It's happening all over again.
06:39And that's why we need to address this.
06:41And it costs a lot of money for the European Union and the member states.
06:44And if we don't act and do this prevention measures, then it will cost more.
06:50In the past, farmers have staged big protests here in Brussels against strict environmental rules,
06:58rules introduced by the European Union, including pesticide limits and nitrogen emission targets,
07:05arguing that these threaten their livelihoods.
07:08Now, did Brussels underestimate the impact of its green policies on rural communities?
07:17I mean, for me, the Green Deal is a growth strategy, inclusive growth strategy.
07:24And, of course, farming is a part of that.
07:28And that is not only because it is, according to me, the competitive advantage that Europe has,
07:34but also because it's about future proving our industries and our farming agriculture sector.
07:40And in this, we all see that the rich back to water and the scarcity back to that water scarcity
07:49affects the possibility to have production of food production, of course.
07:54So that is why we need to take we cannot choose either environmental legislation or competitiveness, whatever that is, or
08:03growth.
08:03We need to do both. And that's a little bit my frustration that we sometimes are in a discussion that
08:08you have to choose.
08:09And that is not that is not possible.
08:11So we cannot do one without the other.
08:13Exactly. And that is why I think for me, the farmers are a really important part of this.
08:19And they want to be the part of the solution because, of course, they see that water scarcity, whether it
08:23could be floods also, actually, then we will have a problem.
08:27And this is not only for a farmer, farmer, industry, agriculture. It is also about Europe's security.
08:33If everything is linked and this is what we need to do. But, of course, we need to explain why
08:37and we need to have the tools.
08:39What about biodiversity? Can Europe realistically restore this while simultaneously expanding housing, industry and renewable energy projects?
08:51Again, it's about the links. We need to understand that the risk of not investing in nature will come with
08:58an economic risk, but also with the security risk.
09:00And that's what we have to understand. And that's why I think this is an investment in our future, which
09:06we we don't have a choice to do.
09:07We need to do it. And then, of course, we need to do it efficiently and we need to do
09:12it gradually so everybody can follow.
09:17Later this year, the Circular Economy Act is expected to be adopted. What is its role in all of this?
09:26A lot of roles. It has a lot of legs. But it is, if I may, I'll start with that
09:32the latest conflict that we have that is affecting us is the crisis in the Middle East and the war
09:39in Iran.
09:39That, again, shows us that dependency comes with a cost. And that is not only linked to energy, of course,
09:47that is what we also discuss a lot, rightly so, but also because we are dependent on fossils when it
09:52comes to other products in our society.
09:54But also we are dependent on critical raw materials, for example. So we, and that is not only Europe that
10:02needs these critical raw materials, it's also everyone else in the world.
10:06And the fight for these materials are getting tougher. So we need to be more self-sufficient.
10:13And that, where is the circularity, plays a crucial role to use the materials that we have within the Europe,
10:19in Europe, in a more efficient way.
10:22We are a goldmine, actually, but we don't use it.
10:25Right. So critics have argued that the text is focused too heavily on recycling and does not put enough emphasis
10:32on overproduction and overconsumption, which is also a threat to competitiveness.
10:39Do these critics have a point?
10:42A lot of people, when we think about circularity, we tend to go to recycling, which is one part, one
10:47important part, but we also need to do the reuse and how we consume.
10:51I think that is the whole part of circularity. I think that circularity is actually a kind of new revolution
10:57that we are into.
10:58We are now in a linear model, which we have been for a long time.
11:01I respect it takes some time to turn that to a circular, but this is what we are into now.
11:07So I think that we cannot see circularity as only recycling or reuse, or it has to be the whole
11:13circle.
11:14I would say that we all need to have a change of mindset, because the climate change demands that, because
11:21the resources that we use demands that,
11:23and the current geopolitical situation demands that.
11:26We are dependent on these materials, a lot of them, and we need to get rid of dependency, whatever that
11:33is.
11:34So I think that is one thing.
11:35But then, of course, it's easier said than done, because we know that the virgin materials today is cheaper than
11:43secondary materials.
11:44There is a lot of hinders in the single market that we need to address.
11:48So I think that it's not only me as a consumer to have this change of mindset.
11:54Me as a policymaker, businesses, policymakers, whatever, we all need to have this change of mindset.
12:00Should consumers expect to pay more if Europe fully embraces the circular economy model?
12:08That is what we see today.
12:09As I said, the secondary materials is today more expensive, and that is why we need to get the answers
12:16on how to make the business case for secondary materials.
12:20And that is what we will try to address in the Circular Economy Act, because people or industries, business to
12:27business, are neither interested today to do that extra payment.
12:31Of course, we have a lot of extra costs for energy and so forth, so we need to find that
12:35business case.
12:36And I think it's possible, because virgin materials is also scarce and weaponized sometimes.
12:42So, of course, there should be a business case in this.
12:45You mentioned earlier climate change and the impact on the environment is increasingly seen as a security issue in the
12:54political discourse.
12:57Should environmental policy now be considered as part of Europe's defense strategy?
13:04Yes, I think so.
13:06I can explain.
13:07Please do.
13:09Because I see that, because there is a lot of examples, back to water, which is not only a resource
13:16like anyone else.
13:17We need water for our daily life.
13:19We need it for energy production.
13:20We need it for food production.
13:22And when water gets scarce, we are in trouble, and that eventually is also a security threat to us, not
13:29only food production, but also on a global perspective.
13:31We know that water is also driving conflicts and so forth.
13:34So that is one part of the defense angle and security angle.
13:38We also see nature as a natural border.
13:42We see it in Poland and Finland how you can turn wetlands into border controls, make it more difficult.
13:51So, I mean, this is for an invasion to pass.
13:54So there is two signs of that.
13:56But I would argue the main thing is that biodiversity loss, crop loss, floods and droughts, is a security threat.
14:06And that's not only, again, not only me who's saying that.
14:09I very often now recently refer to the UK MI6 report that came out earlier this year saying that natural
14:17degration is the main threat for UK's national security, which of course affects, is the same for a lot of
14:25other countries.
14:54Yeah.
14:55Are putting hazardous chemicals as a top priority.
15:00That is the answer to the question.
15:02We want clean water.
15:04We want clean air.
15:06We need healthy soils.
15:08And that is one reason I think we need.
15:11And I'm not sure that it always has to cost more money.
15:14It's doing things more efficiently, using new techniques, using AI, using digitalization.
15:20I think that is one part.
15:21The other part is that we today, again, see the dependencies cost.
15:26And that is something that me as a consumer at the end of the day is paying the price for.
15:31So we need to treat our environment.
15:34We need to get in a more sustainable way because that is the future proof.
15:39So, of course, we can discuss and we can put plaster of things at the moment, but that will only
15:43postpone the cost.
15:46The cost of doing nothing to prevent from flooding, to prevent from droughts, or wildfires, that is costly.
15:54And it will, at the end of the day, cost me as a consumer money.
15:57Okay, here's a tricky one.
15:59Which environmental target is Europe likely to miss?
16:08We are doing better when it comes to air pollution, for example, unless people are premature death in that, which
16:15is a good thing.
16:16But still, we are not reaching the targets.
16:18Water quality.
16:19We have a target in the Water Framework Directive into 2027.
16:24Probably we are not going to reach that.
16:27Healthy soils, 80% of our soils are not in a good shape.
16:31So, that is the brutal truth, which means that it's even more confirming what I say.
16:40We need to start investing in nature and seeing this as an economic asset.
16:46And a risk, the risk is to do nothing.
16:49That is what we are facing.
16:51If you meet your non-European colleagues, do you have the impression that everybody is on the same wavelength here?
17:00Not everyone, of course, because we are a lot of states around the world.
17:05But I feel, and of course, we know that multilateralism and cooperation are getting harder and harder now, due to
17:13a lot of reasons.
17:14But I feel that there is this ask for Europe to stand firm and stand in the front line, because
17:22I also meet a lot of states around the world that is heavily affected from climate change or nature or
17:28plastic pollution.
17:29And there is a lot of cooperation around that.
17:33So, I feel that there is also a lot of willingness to move forward in the multilateralism.
17:39And how problematic is it for you that the United States have basically left the global climate endeavors?
17:49So, U.S. is and will always be important partners for Europe and our countries.
17:55So, when I talk about, I've been to G7, G20, discussing desertification on the desertification cup coming up, or plastic
18:04pollution, of course, we have differences.
18:07But also, seeing the benefit of cooperation is also there.
18:13So, I'm trying to move forward, because the water issue, the broken water cycle, that is not one member state.
18:21That is something that we need to work together on.
18:24So, I'm trying to move forward on things that we can cooperate.
18:28Critical raw materials, for example.
18:30We just recently did an agreement with the U.S. on that.
18:35So, that's a little bit how I try to work.
18:37But with that said, of course, the multilateralism, the global cooperation, is difficult today.
18:43If your term ended tomorrow, what would be your biggest failure?
18:50Oh, I usually get the question, what do you want to achieve?
18:56Well, if we have not moved the needle, actually reset the clock in one way, when it comes to circularity,
19:04because the dependency, as we see today, is really, it is here for us.
19:10So, we need to do something more on circularity, and it's linked to environment and water, actually.
19:14So, I hope that we can.
19:16So, I did not answer your question then.
19:17What is my, I don't want to, I mean, I hope that this will be a successful mandate, and that
19:22we take, see, connect the dots, that it cannot be seen as environmental in one silo.
19:29This has to be horizontal.
19:30Okay, now I have to ask you, what do you consider your biggest achievement?
19:34Oh, that, then it will be that if I can help to bring different sectors on board on the investment
19:42part, online nature, that would be my biggest achievement.
19:45All right, Jessica Roswell, thank you very much, EU Commissioner for the Environment and many other things.
19:52Thanks for a very interesting conversation.
19:54Thank you very much for having me.
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