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00:00:00We're on the march, we're walking up towards Trafalgar Square, the crowds go.

00:00:05This is the biggest event in British history.

00:00:07Do you have a vendetta against Tommy Robinson because the last time he was on your show,

00:00:11he gave you a shellacking and you've never forgiven him for him.

00:00:14What happens all the time with anti-Muslim hatred is projection.

00:00:17I'm not anti-Muslim.

00:00:19Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:00:20Hold on, shut up.

00:00:22Hey, bigot, shut up.

00:00:23Shut up.

00:00:23Shut your mouth.

00:00:24What you gonna do?

00:00:25Do you have sympathy for the young English girls that have been assaulted?

00:00:28Do you have sympathy?

00:00:29Sorry.

00:00:30Oh, so now you're stuttering.

00:00:32Now you're stuttering.

00:00:33No, I haven't.

00:00:33So you've just exposed yourself.

00:00:35Do you know what?

00:00:35I have a no stupid people rule for this show.

00:00:38The way you started this panel and the way you've ended it suggests that you shouldn't

00:00:42have passed our bar.

00:00:45Well, later on the show, we will debate Israel's threat to sue the New York Times and claims

00:00:48of an Israeli plot to hijack voting at the Eurovision Song Contest.

00:00:51We'll begin with the competing rallies held this weekend in London.

00:00:55Tommy Robinson's Unite the Kingdom march has captured the imaginations of many conservatives

00:00:59around the world, not least among the US right wing.

00:01:02And imagination is certainly the word I would use for it.

00:01:05Millions of people have seen this image over the last 48 hours, alongside claims that half

00:01:10the country turned out for Tommy.

00:01:12It shouldn't take a genius to figure out that's not London.

00:01:15In fact, that's not even a real photograph.

00:01:18The police say about 50,000 attended and despite the usual cries of conspiracy, there's no evidence

00:01:24or reason to think that they're lying.

00:01:26Tommy Robinson, on the other hand, is either lying or just very bad at mass.

00:01:31We're on the march.

00:01:32We're walking up towards Trafalgar Square.

00:01:34The crowd's gone.

00:01:36Parliament Square's already full.

00:01:38The crowd's stretched from here to Euston Station, apparently, which is miles.

00:01:43OK?

00:01:44And miles, this is the biggest event in British history.

00:01:47This is the moment, a turning point for Britain, a message to the leaders.

00:01:51Britain's about a fight.

00:01:52Britain's ready for the fight.

00:01:53I put it up.

00:01:55We're awake.

00:01:56We're not going to back down.

00:01:57We want our country back.

00:02:00What I'd like is some accuracy back.

00:02:03This wasn't the biggest event in British history.

00:02:05It wasn't even the biggest event in London this weekend, given that 84,000 people attended

00:02:10the FA Cup final at Wembley.

00:02:12And there was some equally creative accounting going on a mile away at the rival march in support

00:02:16of Palestine.

00:02:17MP Zahra Sultana said she was proud to join 250,000 people at the NACBA rally, which police

00:02:25say was in fact attended by 20,000 people.

00:02:28To be clear, this doesn't mean that tens of thousands of people attended the rallies.

00:02:33They did.

00:02:34It just doesn't mean that their views should be exaggerated in such a ridiculous manner.

00:02:40Their opinions are valid, and I respect them.

00:02:44Most people in this country, I think, are a moderate, tolerant, and open-minded group

00:02:48of people, certainly more than you may have been led to believe.

00:02:51The rally also showed that Tommy Robinson's onto something when he talks about two-tier

00:02:55policing.

00:02:56He just hasn't quite figured out what it is yet.

00:03:15It's not too late to get Islam out of that building.

00:03:22It is not too late to get Islam out of every single official office in this country.

00:03:30The speakers and performers at the pro-Palestine rally have made similar speeches about Jews

00:03:35that have been arrested amid a national outcry.

00:03:37And for the record, they would have deserved it.

00:03:39Before we debate all of this, I want to finish with a point we could probably all agree on.

00:03:45this is awesome.

00:03:56And you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk alone.

00:04:44And you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk alone.

00:04:48podcast, who was barred from entering the UK to attend the rally, Ava Santina, political

00:04:52editor of Politics Joe, and Sintish, better known as Based and Bougie, who attended the

00:04:57Unite the Kingdom rally and called me out on stage.

00:05:00And we'll get to that in a moment.

00:05:02In fact, let's get to that off the start, because it was brought to my attention.

00:05:06Welcome to Uncensored.

00:05:07Sintish?

00:05:08Thank you, sir.

00:05:08Do I call you Sintish or Based and Bougie?

00:05:09You call me Sintish or Based.

00:05:11Or Bougie?

00:05:12Bougie, Bougie, Sintish, whatever.

00:05:13Any one of the three?

00:05:14Yeah.

00:05:14What's your actual name?

00:05:15Sintish.

00:05:16That's your name you were born with?

00:05:17Yeah, that's my name, Sintish, yeah.

00:05:18But Based and Bougie is your...

00:05:20It's just the name that I use for my account, yeah.

00:05:22Got it. So you talked about me during this event.

00:05:26Let's have a look.

00:05:28You're seeing people in solitary confinement for a difference of opinion,

00:05:31and now you're seeing people like the likes of Piers Morgan

00:05:34calling us the same old, boring, far-right for being patriotic.

00:05:39Well, I have a question for Piers Morgan.

00:05:41If this is a far-right, racist, extremist event,

00:05:43then what the f*** am I doing here?

00:05:51The establishment Piers Morgan, Keir Starmer need to learn

00:05:54that us patriots are this country's last hope.

00:05:59And rather than waking up to this fact,

00:06:02they would rather sit there and police when and where

00:06:05the English people wear the English flag.

00:06:07Let me make something very clear.

00:06:09If seeing the Union Jack makes you cross,

00:06:11respectfully pack your bags and get lost.

00:06:17Support the country you live in

00:06:19or go live in the country you support.

00:06:22Obviously, I fully respect your right to free speech.

00:06:26What is the Union Jack, do you think?

00:06:29For me, the Union Jack is a sign of first and foremost...

00:06:31What is it?

00:06:32Whose flag is the Union Jack?

00:06:33The British flag.

00:06:34Hmm?

00:06:35The British flag.

00:06:36You said English flag, then?

00:06:37The English... No.

00:06:38The Union Jack is the British flag.

00:06:40Why did you say English flag?

00:06:42Obviously, when you're under pressure,

00:06:43you end up saying things, but it is the British flag.

00:06:45You don't think England is the United Kingdom?

00:06:47No, I'm just saying that it's the British flag.

00:06:49The Union Jack obviously represents...

00:06:49I know the difference between the two,

00:06:51but what we're discussing here today...

00:06:51What is the English flag, do you know?

00:06:53It's this flag with the Red Cross.

00:06:55Right, but that wasn't the one behind you,

00:06:56and that wasn't the one you were talking about.

00:06:57OK, congratulations, you caught me here.

00:06:59Well, no, I'm trying to take gotcha.

00:07:01I'm just saying, if you're going to start...

00:07:01When you're under pressure,

00:07:02you end up saying things.

00:07:04OK, if you're going to start haranguing me...

00:07:05Especially when there's millions of people.

00:07:06You get a little bit nervous.

00:07:07Yeah, but Cynthia, if you're going to start haranguing

00:07:09people like me for not understanding

00:07:11what it means to be English,

00:07:13it would help if you understood

00:07:14what the English flag actually is.

00:07:16Oh, you caught me.

00:07:18Do you want to apologise?

00:07:19No, I'm not going to apologise,

00:07:20because I was under pressure.

00:07:21It was a crowd full of millions of people,

00:07:23even though you tried to downplay it.

00:07:24Millions of people.

00:07:2550,000 people were there, the police said.

00:07:27The police said it was 1.2 million.

00:07:28No, the police said 50,000.

00:07:30OK, even if it was 1.2...

00:07:32Why are you lying about the number of people there?

00:07:34Why would I lie? That's what I saw.

00:07:35The police confirmed there were 50,000 people.

00:07:38OK, but Piers, why are you...

00:07:39Are they all lying?

00:07:40OK, but Piers, of all the issues...

00:07:41Did you have millions hiding somewhere?

00:07:42I didn't see...

00:07:43Of all the issues they were talking about,

00:07:44whether it's women being raped,

00:07:45whether it's 2.2 million people were there,

00:07:47whether it's all the issues they were talking about,

00:07:49women being groomed,

00:07:49the only thing you're obsessed about is the numbers.

00:07:51Are you being serious?

00:07:52Do you know what I saw?

00:07:53Talking of the treatment of women's symptoms,

00:07:56do you know one of the clips that I saw

00:07:57that was doing the rounds from the rally?

00:07:59Show me.

00:07:59It was where some women were looking down

00:08:01from a rooftop down at the rally,

00:08:05and a lot of the people marching in the rally,

00:08:07men, chanting,

00:08:09get your tits out for the lads

00:08:11and thought that was hilarious.

00:08:12How does that square, do you think,

00:08:14with protecting women?

00:08:16Well, I obviously think that's absolutely disgusting

00:08:18and if Tommy Robinson or all of the organisers

00:08:20were to see that,

00:08:21that would be absolutely disgusting.

00:08:23But you bringing that up,

00:08:24what's the point?

00:08:24Because there's so many people

00:08:25under your comment section

00:08:26who may look at me

00:08:27and they may call me the N-word or the B-word.

00:08:29Is that a reflection of you?

00:08:30May I ask?

00:08:31There are people calling you the N-word

00:08:33on my comment section.

00:08:34There may be people.

00:08:34Wait, wait.

00:08:35Have you just made that up?

00:08:35I said there may.

00:08:36You haven't even appeared on my show.

00:08:37I said there may be.

00:08:38There may be.

00:08:39And they do it with other guests as well.

00:08:40You haven't even appeared on my show.

00:08:41OK, well, they may do it with other guests as well.

00:08:43They may insult other of your guests.

00:08:45What I'm saying is...

00:08:45Do you actually know...

00:08:46Have you actually looked at the comment section?

00:08:47Yes, I have.

00:08:48Well, who are you talking about?

00:08:49Can you let me finish my sentence?

00:08:50What am I here for

00:08:51if you're not letting me finish my sentence?

00:08:52I think you're just making stuff up.

00:08:53What I'm trying to say is

00:08:55when you go on your comment section,

00:08:56of course people say negative things.

00:08:57Is that a reflection of you?

00:08:59Have you ever seen anyone

00:09:00be called the N-word on my comment section?

00:09:01What I'm saying is people say negative things.

00:09:03You just said that that happens.

00:09:04People say negative things.

00:09:06Have you seen it?

00:09:06Let's put the N-word aside.

00:09:07People say negative things.

00:09:08Is that a reflection of you?

00:09:10So, so far we've moved from...

00:09:11You didn't answer my question.

00:09:11Is that a reflection of you?

00:09:13So far we've established...

00:09:13You didn't answer my question.

00:09:14Listen, I don't know who you...

00:09:15Until you came today,

00:09:17I had no idea who you are, right?

00:09:18OK, great.

00:09:18And I'm very happy to have you here.

00:09:19I absolutely respect your right

00:09:21to be on this march.

00:09:22Thank you so much.

00:09:23Not a problem.

00:09:23Thank you so much.

00:09:23I respect the right of everyone

00:09:25to protest peacefully.

00:09:26Thank you so much.

00:09:26And actually both marches went off

00:09:28relatively peacefully

00:09:29with a small handful of arrests.

00:09:31I commend the police for excellent work

00:09:32and I commend the marches

00:09:35for not being violent, OK?

00:09:37Thank you so much.

00:09:37She didn't have to come to that,

00:09:38but I do.

00:09:39But so far,

00:09:39you've only been on the show three minutes

00:09:41and so far we've established

00:09:42that you got the flag wrong.

00:09:44OK.

00:09:44Right?

00:09:44When you were lecturing me

00:09:45about what it takes to be English.

00:09:47Under pressure with millions of people.

00:09:48You said there were 1.2 million people

00:09:49when the police said there were 50,000.

00:09:50Who cares?

00:09:51Right?

00:09:51And then you start accusing us

00:09:53of having black people

00:09:54accused of being the N-word

00:09:55on my comment section

00:09:56and then admit you've never

00:09:57actually seen that.

00:09:58I will find it and I will post it.

00:09:59But what I'm trying to say

00:10:01is it's a reflection of you.

00:10:03No disrespect to you.

00:10:03It's a negative comment.

00:10:04It's a reflection of you.

00:10:05The same way people are asking

00:10:06those young ladies.

00:10:06You don't even know

00:10:07what comments you're talking about.

00:10:08I have seen the comments.

00:10:09They've said nasty things.

00:10:10Give me one.

00:10:11About Andrew Tate,

00:10:12about Candace Owens.

00:10:13They were called Candace Owens

00:10:14a Jew hater.

00:10:16They were called

00:10:17Andrew Tate misogynistic.

00:10:18Is that a reflection of you?

00:10:20So don't point that at Tommy.

00:10:22My point is

00:10:22just because negative things

00:10:23happen at an event

00:10:24filled with millions,

00:10:25don't now point that at Tommy.

00:10:27And this is what I mean.

00:10:28You've come here to nitpick

00:10:29at the most silliest things

00:10:30even though we're talking about

00:10:31very important things

00:10:33like women who have been groomed,

00:10:34like men who have been

00:10:35stabbed by Islamists.

00:10:36And then you come here

00:10:37to talk to me about

00:10:38flipping 50,000 people

00:10:40and when I said

00:10:42the English flag

00:10:42and British flag,

00:10:43this is absolutely irrelevant

00:10:44to the whole point

00:10:45of the event.

00:10:46So what are we actually

00:10:47talking about today, Piers?

00:10:48Can we talk about

00:10:49something important

00:10:49rather than nitpicking

00:10:50on the number of people?

00:10:52Why don't we talk about

00:10:52Tommy Robinson's claim

00:10:53that it was the biggest event

00:10:54in British history?

00:10:55Do you believe that?

00:10:56I think it was.

00:10:57Last year definitely was.

00:10:58Bigger than the signing

00:10:59of the Magna Carta,

00:11:01the Act of the Union,

00:11:02the Industrial Revolution,

00:11:04the Battle of Britain.

00:11:05Bigger than Brexit,

00:11:06for example.

00:11:07I don't think he even said that.

00:11:08Why are you comparing it to that?

00:11:09He literally just said it

00:11:09in the clip we played

00:11:10five minutes ago.

00:11:11Okay, well I think

00:11:12it was an excellent event.

00:11:13It was a huge event.

00:11:14I was there present myself.

00:11:15Was it the biggest event

00:11:16in British history?

00:11:17It wasn't the biggest event.

00:11:1850,000 people.

00:11:19It wasn't.

00:11:19It wasn't the biggest event

00:11:20in British history.

00:11:21That's absurd.

00:11:22Yes, it's absurd.

00:11:24I agree.

00:11:24Yes, we finally found

00:11:25something to do with.

00:11:26This is great.

00:11:26We're getting somewhere.

00:11:27We're getting somewhere.

00:11:28By the end of this,

00:11:29you'll be denouncing

00:11:29Tommy Robinson as a fantasist.

00:11:32Absolutely not.

00:11:33Let me bring in Ava here.

00:11:34Welcome back to Uncensored.

00:11:36You know, in a way,

00:11:38I have a view about

00:11:39all these marches

00:11:40that if they are inciting hatred

00:11:43and you can see clearly

00:11:44evidence of that,

00:11:45I think that's unacceptable.

00:11:47If they're not,

00:11:48just because we don't

00:11:49particularly agree

00:11:50with people's politics

00:11:51or their views

00:11:52or don't like the look of them,

00:11:55to me, in a democracy,

00:11:56if you're protesting peacefully,

00:11:58that's fine by me.

00:11:59I think you and I

00:12:00have discussed this

00:12:01and you didn't dissent from that.

00:12:02I'm pro-march.

00:12:03Did you see anything

00:12:04at the weekend

00:12:05in either march

00:12:06that you felt crossed a line?

00:12:07Well, I was quite alarmed

00:12:08at some of the

00:12:09anti-Semitic theories

00:12:10that were circulating

00:12:12that march.

00:12:13And, you know,

00:12:13as with all marches,

00:12:15there are not going to be

00:12:16all 50,000 people

00:12:17saying those things.

00:12:18It is going to be

00:12:19people on the fringes.

00:12:20But I was deeply concerned

00:12:21about this idea

00:12:22that was widely being talked about

00:12:24that Jews were moving Muslims

00:12:28into the United Kingdom

00:12:29to destabilise the government.

00:12:30And this was more than,

00:12:32you know,

00:12:3310 or 11 people saying this.

00:12:34This was circulating.

00:12:35That deeply concerns me.

00:12:37Another thing that concerns me

00:12:38is that under the guise

00:12:40of other political movements,

00:12:42Tommy Robinson has managed

00:12:43to sort of launder

00:12:45his reputation

00:12:46with the British National Party,

00:12:48the BNP,

00:12:49which believed

00:12:50in ethnic nationalism.

00:12:51He would not have wanted

00:12:53any person of colour

00:12:54if he believed

00:12:55in what the BNP did

00:12:56at that time

00:12:56at that march.

00:12:58And what scares me

00:12:59is that this is just

00:13:00the beginning.

00:13:01It's get everyone on side.

00:13:02What's going to happen next?

00:13:04I mean,

00:13:04does that not worry you

00:13:05that he was in the BNP?

00:13:07Does that not scare you?

00:13:09So why did he leave the BNP?

00:13:10Why did he stop supporting you?

00:13:11Well, the BNP disbanded.

00:13:12It stopped becoming

00:13:13a political force.

00:13:14It stopped being

00:13:15a political force.

00:13:16Well, from my understanding

00:13:16of Tommy Robinson,

00:13:17he left the BNP,

00:13:18he left the EDL

00:13:19because of these racist rhetorics.

00:13:21For example,

00:13:22there's a new party

00:13:22could Restore Britain.

00:13:23After Restore Britain launched,

00:13:25there was a lot of people

00:13:26that were being extremely racist

00:13:27towards people like myself.

00:13:29And Tommy Robinson

00:13:29actually recently came out

00:13:31and made a video

00:13:31saying that Rupert Lowe

00:13:32needs to actually sort this out

00:13:34and stop the racism.

00:13:35So I'm quite confused

00:13:36to how you're still here

00:13:37trying to be so desperate

00:13:38to pick him up for racism.

00:13:39Can I come back?

00:13:41You can, you can.

00:13:41May I just say?

00:13:42We saw all the Africans

00:13:43also singing at the event.

00:13:44We saw so many Sikhs

00:13:45and you're still trying

00:13:47to sit here

00:13:47and say he was racist.

00:13:48You still think he's racist?

00:13:49Well, I didn't say

00:13:50that he was racist.

00:13:50I said that he was part

00:13:51of the BNP

00:13:52that believed in

00:13:53ethnic nationalism.

00:13:54In the past.

00:13:54So it surprises me.

00:13:55But can you really repent

00:13:57for something like that?

00:13:58Yes, you can.

00:13:59You know, I would...

00:13:59I don't even think...

00:14:00Did you know during the EDL

00:14:02he had a sign that said

00:14:04black and white unite

00:14:05and he also had

00:14:06the Sikh division.

00:14:07He had the black...

00:14:08He had the LGBTQ...

00:14:09In the EDL.

00:14:09During the EDL.

00:14:10I just always wonder

00:14:11where's the...

00:14:12I'm not really sure

00:14:12why you don't talk about that.

00:14:13Where's the line drawn?

00:14:14Because is it the one drop rule

00:14:16or is it like

00:14:16if you've been in Britain

00:14:18for a certain number

00:14:19of generations

00:14:19then are you considered

00:14:20British in their eyes?

00:14:22What concerns me

00:14:23is what are the parameters

00:14:24of race that is acceptable

00:14:26for someone

00:14:26who may have been

00:14:27in the BNP

00:14:28who may have been

00:14:28in the EDL?

00:14:29Where do you draw the line?

00:14:30What if he actually

00:14:31took the time

00:14:31to actually look at

00:14:32Tommy Robinson's tweets

00:14:33rather than listening

00:14:34to the mainstream media

00:14:35that nobody cares about?

00:14:36Let me finish.

00:14:37Let me finish.

00:14:37Sorry, let me finish.

00:14:38No, because I'm just

00:14:39not interested in this

00:14:40sort of...

00:14:40I'm not interested

00:14:41in this listening

00:14:42to the mainstream media nonsense

00:14:43because immediately

00:14:44your argument

00:14:45is redundant.

00:14:46So much backlash.

00:14:47All he does

00:14:48on his social media

00:14:49when he's not

00:14:50calling me a giant sausage

00:14:52all he does

00:14:52on social media

00:14:53is bash Muslims

00:14:55and Islam.

00:14:56That's his shtick.

00:14:57He doesn't bash Muslims

00:14:58he bash religion.

00:14:59He literally had people

00:15:00on stage saying

00:15:01get rid of all Islam

00:15:02from Britain.

00:15:03That means kicking

00:15:04every Muslim out.

00:15:05No, from Parliament.

00:15:05He never said

00:15:06from Britain.

00:15:06He said from Parliament.

00:15:08There were speakers

00:15:09saying get rid of Islam

00:15:11from this country.

00:15:11Well, if you're referring

00:15:12to the women

00:15:12she said Parliament

00:15:13and this is a Christian country

00:15:14so there should be Christians

00:15:15in there.

00:15:15So let me ask you

00:15:17there are 5 million Muslims

00:15:18in this country.

00:15:19Yes.

00:15:19Should they be allowed

00:15:20to stay?

00:15:20Of course they can

00:15:21as long as they abide

00:15:22by Christian customs

00:15:23and don't force

00:15:24their religion on us.

00:15:24The same way

00:15:25if I go to Dubai

00:15:26I would not force

00:15:26my Christian values

00:15:27onto the Muslims.

00:15:28So when you had a guy

00:15:29called Ryan Williams

00:15:30performing with bacon

00:15:31on his shoulders

00:15:31and his ex-account said

00:15:33my mission is to inflate

00:15:35maximum damage

00:15:36on Islam

00:15:36we've got a picture

00:15:37over here

00:15:37what do you feel

00:15:39about that?

00:15:39I personally feel

00:15:40as though he should be

00:15:41free to do

00:15:41whatever he wants

00:15:42and you have to be

00:15:43very fragile

00:15:43to get upset

00:15:44about someone

00:15:44putting bacon

00:15:45on a t-shirt.

00:15:46Do you drink

00:15:48when you go to Dubai?

00:15:49I've never been to Dubai

00:15:49but if I was to

00:15:50I wouldn't drink

00:15:51because I respect

00:15:51people's customs.

00:15:52Would you wear a bikini?

00:15:53No, I wouldn't

00:15:54because I respect

00:15:54people's customs.

00:15:55Let me go to the only

00:15:58Muslim member

00:15:59of the panel today

00:16:00which is Cenk Yuga.

00:16:01Cenk, welcome back

00:16:01to Uncensored.

00:16:03I mean you've got

00:16:03a guy there

00:16:04on stage

00:16:05with bacon

00:16:05on his shoulder

00:16:06who says his mission

00:16:07is to inflict

00:16:08maximum damage

00:16:09on Islam

00:16:10and there was

00:16:11constant

00:16:13anti-Islam

00:16:14anti-Muslim

00:16:15rhetoric

00:16:16during this rally

00:16:17and if you look

00:16:18at Tommy Robinson's

00:16:20social media feed

00:16:21it is a relentless

00:16:22attack

00:16:23specifically

00:16:24against

00:16:25Islam

00:16:25and Muslims.

00:16:26He pretends

00:16:27he's not anti-Muslim

00:16:28but he constantly

00:16:29attacks

00:16:30the religion

00:16:31of Islam.

00:16:32So what's your view

00:16:33of this Cenk?

00:16:33It's not Muslims

00:16:34it's just Islam.

00:16:35Yeah.

00:16:37So look

00:16:38I view it

00:16:39in two different ways

00:16:40and I grew up Muslim

00:16:42but I'm atheist now

00:16:43so you know

00:16:44I'm not sure

00:16:45that I'm going to be able

00:16:46to speak effectively

00:16:47enough for Muslims

00:16:48but like the bacon

00:16:49on the shoulder

00:16:50and the burqa skit

00:16:51I don't care about at all.

00:16:53So oh wow

00:16:55you showed a piece

00:16:55of bacon

00:16:56it's not like Muslims

00:16:57don't know bacon exists.

00:16:58So I'm not offended

00:17:00by that at all.

00:17:01On the other hand

00:17:01when they start talking

00:17:02about kicking out Muslims

00:17:03even from parliament

00:17:05why?

00:17:05Why should Muslims

00:17:06not serve in parliament?

00:17:07Because this is a Christian country.

00:17:08Well that's obviously

00:17:08and directly racist

00:17:10and bigoted.

00:17:11So and to me

00:17:13the biggest problems

00:17:14appears are

00:17:14the hypocrisy.

00:17:16You're right

00:17:17of course

00:17:17if they said

00:17:181% of this

00:17:18about Jews

00:17:19they'd probably

00:17:20literally be imprisoned

00:17:22in Britain

00:17:22and it shows you

00:17:23the disparity

00:17:24in power

00:17:24that the two

00:17:25different groups have

00:17:26and most importantly

00:17:28a lot of this hatred

00:17:29toward Muslims

00:17:30are driven

00:17:30by Israeli propaganda.

00:17:32They want

00:17:32the British

00:17:33and the Americans

00:17:34to hate Muslims

00:17:35so that they'll

00:17:36finance the wars

00:17:37against Israel's

00:17:38Muslim neighbors.

00:17:39So those are

00:17:40massive problems

00:17:41and we've got to

00:17:42root out the people

00:17:43that are in our government

00:17:44and our media

00:17:45that serve foreign

00:17:46countries like Israel

00:17:47and purposely

00:17:48spread bigotry

00:17:49and hatred.

00:17:50Silly skits

00:17:51about bacon

00:17:51I could care less about.

00:17:52And by the way

00:17:53if we have the same rules

00:17:55they're allowed

00:17:55to offend Muslims

00:17:56but we're also allowed

00:17:57to offend Israel

00:17:57great.

00:17:58But I'm coming to London

00:17:59in a couple of weeks

00:18:00as you know Piers

00:18:01and I intend

00:18:03to greatly offend Israel.

00:18:04I don't know

00:18:05if I'll be arrested

00:18:05over there.

00:18:06You know they have

00:18:07some absurd laws

00:18:08in England.

00:18:08My nephew

00:18:09Hassan Piker

00:18:10is coming with me

00:18:10and he might be arrested

00:18:12because some

00:18:13pro-Israel people

00:18:15think that they can say

00:18:16anything they want

00:18:17about Muslims

00:18:17but the minute

00:18:18you touch Israel

00:18:19not even Judaism

00:18:19they think you should

00:18:21be arrested.

00:18:21Obviously that kind

00:18:22of double standard

00:18:23is unacceptable

00:18:24and is the refuge

00:18:26of cowards.

00:18:27Okay let's bring in

00:18:28Don Keith

00:18:29welcome to Uncensored.

00:18:32Thank you for having me.

00:18:33You were banned

00:18:34from attending

00:18:34the Tommy Robinson March.

00:18:36Were you given

00:18:37any specific reason

00:18:38why?

00:18:39I was not given

00:18:40any reason.

00:18:41The notice I got

00:18:42said that the government

00:18:43doesn't have to give you

00:18:44a reason

00:18:44they don't always

00:18:44give you a reason.

00:18:45I was shocked by it

00:18:46because really

00:18:47I guess my only crime

00:18:47was being associated

00:18:49with Tommy Robinson

00:18:50and speaking out

00:18:51against things

00:18:51like Islam.

00:18:53Yeah I mean

00:18:53can you think of anything

00:18:55that you have done

00:18:56or said

00:18:56which would warrant

00:18:58you being denied

00:18:59access to the United Kingdom?

00:19:02I've never

00:19:03even

00:19:03I've never committed

00:19:04a crime in my life

00:19:06I've never incited violence

00:19:07I've been to the UK

00:19:09I've attended every one

00:19:10of these UTK rallies

00:19:11in the past I think

00:19:12from the time it started

00:19:13two years ago

00:19:14there's been five or six

00:19:15I've attended every single one

00:19:17I've marched in every single one

00:19:18I've never called for violence

00:19:20so yeah

00:19:21I'm just baffled

00:19:22as to why I would be

00:19:24banned from a country

00:19:25just for expressing

00:19:26an opinion

00:19:26or being associated

00:19:28with Tommy Robinson.

00:19:29Would you categorize yourself

00:19:30as far right?

00:19:32Absolutely not

00:19:33what is far right?

00:19:35Who gets to define

00:19:35what far right?

00:19:36To me

00:19:37the only thing

00:19:38that's far right

00:19:39apparently

00:19:40is if you disagree

00:19:40with any of Labour's policies

00:19:42or any left wing policies

00:19:44that makes you far right

00:19:45the deciders

00:19:46of what's far right

00:19:48and what's hate speech

00:19:48and things like that

00:19:49are the people in power

00:19:50that's why

00:19:51that's why

00:19:52Britain is in such

00:19:53dire straits right now

00:19:54with their speech

00:19:55because they don't have

00:19:55a constitution set in stone

00:19:57that protects

00:19:58their speech rights

00:19:58and their free expression

00:20:00all they have

00:20:01is a litany

00:20:01of different

00:20:02court precedents

00:20:03and legal precedents

00:20:05that establish

00:20:06what can or cannot

00:20:07be free speech

00:20:08and that's dictated

00:20:09by the party in power

00:20:10which means they can

00:20:11change like the wind

00:20:11that's not really

00:20:12free speech

00:20:13Britain's never really

00:20:13had free speech

00:20:14to me they need

00:20:15some sort of constitution

00:20:16set in stone

00:20:17that protects it

00:20:18do you believe

00:20:19do you believe

00:20:20that Muslims

00:20:20should be allowed

00:20:21in the UK parliament

00:20:24well that's

00:20:25I'm not a British citizen

00:20:26I don't like to have

00:20:27the problem with Islam

00:20:28and the problem

00:20:29of Muslims in parliament

00:20:30is Islam itself

00:20:31and what it commands

00:20:32of Muslims

00:20:32they must always make

00:20:34policies and legislation

00:20:36to protect Islam

00:20:37it's Islam first

00:20:38and foremost

00:20:39it's never a separation

00:20:41of church and state

00:20:42well they couldn't do that

00:20:43as part of the UK parliament

00:20:44because they'd be

00:20:45subjected to UK law

00:20:47so that's an irrelevance

00:20:49well they would do

00:20:51their damnedest to try

00:20:52if you look at

00:20:53what's happening now

00:20:54you don't even really

00:20:55need Muslim members

00:20:56in parliament

00:20:57to make change

00:20:58in your country

00:20:58if you see what's

00:20:59happening all around

00:21:00your country

00:21:00you don't even need

00:21:01Muslim members

00:21:02in parliament

00:21:02all you need is

00:21:04key figures

00:21:05in local suburbs

00:21:08around

00:21:09in and around London

00:21:10city councils

00:21:12mayors

00:21:12people who can affect

00:21:13change locally

00:21:14and by caveat

00:21:15you can affect

00:21:16an entire nation

00:21:16that's what we see

00:21:17happening in Great Britain

00:21:18right now

00:21:18you don't need parliament

00:21:19you don't need

00:21:20the prime minister

00:21:20to be Muslim

00:21:21all you need

00:21:22is mayors like

00:21:23Sadiq Khan

00:21:24who can trickle down

00:21:25his policies

00:21:26to all the little

00:21:26boroughs

00:21:27but interestingly

00:21:27I saw

00:21:29well I saw

00:21:30Sadiq Khan today

00:21:31funny enough

00:21:32at the Chelsea Flowers

00:21:32show

00:21:33and we had a nice chat

00:21:35and Sadiq Khan

00:21:36is actually a very

00:21:36moderate Muslim

00:21:37he's never

00:21:38there's no evidence

00:21:39of him ever forcing

00:21:40any kind of extreme

00:21:41Muslim views

00:21:42or laws down

00:21:43on anybody

00:21:44that's why he's been

00:21:45re-elected twice

00:21:45and he's one of the

00:21:46most successful

00:21:47mayors in London

00:21:48history

00:21:49and yet he is

00:21:50portrayed in America

00:21:51as some kind of

00:21:52demonic Islamist

00:21:54extremist

00:21:55and the same way

00:21:56that our free speech

00:21:57is completely

00:21:58mischaracterised

00:21:59by Americans

00:22:00you know

00:22:01a lot of Americans

00:22:02believe

00:22:03that 12,000 people

00:22:05were arrested

00:22:06in 2023

00:22:07for social media posts

00:22:09it's complete nonsense

00:22:11of the 12,000

00:22:13non-violent speech

00:22:14offences

00:22:14well of the 12,000

00:22:16arrests that were made

00:22:16well I'll tell you

00:22:17the reality

00:22:17of the 12,000

00:22:18arrests that were made

00:22:201,000 resulted

00:22:21in any convictions

00:22:23and the vast majority

00:22:24of those

00:22:25were for things

00:22:25like stalking

00:22:27domestic harassment

00:22:28abusive ex-partners

00:22:30incessantly sending

00:22:32threats

00:22:32intimidating victims

00:22:34credible violent threats

00:22:35digital death threats

00:22:37bomb hoaxes

00:22:38threats to physical violence

00:22:39one of them was me

00:22:40one of them was Avis

00:22:41one of them

00:22:42not a hate speech

00:22:43one of them was a man

00:22:43who had used hate speech

00:22:45online to say he was

00:22:46going to set my family

00:22:47on fire

00:22:47so one of those arrests

00:22:49was a man who did that

00:22:50to me

00:22:50now if you don't think

00:22:51that he should have

00:22:52been arrested

00:22:52he should just be allowed

00:22:53to say he's going to

00:22:54set my family on fire

00:22:55then we're on two

00:22:56different sides of the

00:22:57coin clearly

00:22:57well the point Don

00:22:59before you answer

00:23:00the point I'm making is

00:23:01there is a weird

00:23:03mischaracterisation

00:23:04I believe of my country

00:23:05right

00:23:06which is that we're being

00:23:07overrun

00:23:08and overtaken by Muslims

00:23:09Sharia courts are

00:23:11everywhere

00:23:11they're ruling the

00:23:13roost and so on

00:23:14none of this is

00:23:14actually true

00:23:15right

00:23:16I mean

00:23:16you've got about

00:23:17you've got about

00:23:1885 Sharia courts

00:23:19they have no

00:23:20legal standing

00:23:21in the UK

00:23:22I think you were going

00:23:22to say that

00:23:23they do not have

00:23:23legal standing per se

00:23:25however

00:23:26if you are a young

00:23:27woman

00:23:27if you are

00:23:28no it's not full stop

00:23:29if you are a young

00:23:30woman in Islam

00:23:31if you are a young

00:23:32woman

00:23:32you are forced to

00:23:33adhere to the

00:23:34decisions these courts

00:23:35make within your

00:23:36religion

00:23:37if not

00:23:37then you will be

00:23:38castigated by your

00:23:39family

00:23:39and ostracised

00:23:40by your family

00:23:40you could be even

00:23:41subject to things

00:23:42like honor killings

00:23:44depending on the

00:23:44situation

00:23:45there have been

00:23:46young ladies

00:23:46in Britain

00:23:47and other western

00:23:48countries

00:23:48you can shake

00:23:49your head

00:23:49all you want

00:23:50but it's happened

00:23:50a father recently

00:23:51tried to strangle

00:23:51his daughter

00:23:52in an honor killing

00:23:54in I can't remember

00:23:55which western country

00:23:56it was

00:23:57but when these girls

00:23:58don't adhere

00:23:58to these laws

00:23:59or these decisions

00:24:01by these Sharia courts

00:24:02and they could

00:24:02be subject to

00:24:04penalties within

00:24:05their own family

00:24:05so while it may not

00:24:06be legal

00:24:07in the UK's eyes

00:24:08these young girls

00:24:09are pressured by

00:24:09these courts

00:24:10and it's them

00:24:11as we know

00:24:11Islam doesn't care

00:24:13about women

00:24:13we know what

00:24:14Islam thinks

00:24:14about women

00:24:16is there any evidence

00:24:17do you think

00:24:17in America

00:24:17for example

00:24:18of any violence

00:24:19towards young women

00:24:20who may have had

00:24:21an abortion

00:24:22who come from

00:24:22a very very

00:24:23strong Christian

00:24:25conservative family

00:24:26for example

00:24:27because I can tell you

00:24:28there have been

00:24:29but do you care

00:24:30about that

00:24:31or is your interest

00:24:33okay that's fair enough

00:24:35so I want to have

00:24:36a reasonable discussion

00:24:37so your view

00:24:39would apply

00:24:39to any religion

00:24:40where the religious

00:24:42belief leads

00:24:44to any form

00:24:45of intimidation

00:24:45or harassment

00:24:46or violence

00:24:47towards women

00:24:47for example

00:24:48of course

00:24:49of course

00:24:50I do believe

00:24:52in protecting women

00:24:52I believe in protecting

00:24:54any fragile human being

00:24:55that's why I'm

00:24:56anti-abortion

00:24:57that's why I'm pro-life

00:24:58I think women

00:24:59I think children

00:25:00I think unborn babies

00:25:01should be protected

00:25:01to whatever extreme

00:25:04is necessary

00:25:04and do you believe

00:25:06Don

00:25:06because I know

00:25:07you were

00:25:08when Tommy Robinson

00:25:10was going through

00:25:10some of his court issues

00:25:11you were there

00:25:12in court in the UK

00:25:13do you believe

00:25:15as Tommy Robinson

00:25:16likes Americans

00:25:17to believe

00:25:17that he has been

00:25:19a victim of suppression

00:25:20of his free speech

00:25:21and the only reason

00:25:22he's been put in prison

00:25:23is because of that

00:25:26I 100% believe

00:25:27that Tommy Robinson

00:25:28is a politically

00:25:29targeted figure

00:25:30100% whether it be

00:25:32because of his

00:25:32free speech

00:25:34or to prevent him

00:25:35from speaking out

00:25:36because we know

00:25:37that the Muslim

00:25:40electorate

00:25:40is very important

00:25:41in Britain

00:25:42they can swing

00:25:44an election

00:25:44that's why

00:25:45the members

00:25:46in parliament

00:25:47and other people

00:25:48in the establishment

00:25:49they want to silence

00:25:50Tommy Robinson

00:25:51at all costs

00:25:52you look what they did

00:25:53for the

00:25:53I know all about

00:25:54the silence movie

00:25:55he wasn't

00:25:55you know

00:25:56he filmed

00:25:56well the silence movie

00:25:57let's be clear

00:25:58let's be crystal clear

00:25:59about this

00:25:59there's a reason

00:26:00Tommy Robinson

00:26:01won't come on this show

00:26:02and the simple reason

00:26:03is he knows

00:26:04I would ask him

00:26:04about the silenced movie

00:26:06and why he was

00:26:07in contempt of court

00:26:08and why he went

00:26:08back to prison

00:26:09and it's because

00:26:10he tells a lot of lies

00:26:11in the silence movie

00:26:12that were exposed

00:26:13as like

00:26:14well hang on

00:26:15let me finish

00:26:15there was

00:26:17as you remember

00:26:17a libel action

00:26:19that was taken

00:26:20which he lost

00:26:21he had to pay

00:26:22100,000 pounds

00:26:23to a young Syrian boy

00:26:25who he defamed

00:26:26with egregious lies

00:26:27he then repeated

00:26:29all the lies

00:26:29in this film

00:26:30he made

00:26:31called Silenced

00:26:32which he talks about

00:26:33very openly

00:26:34when he's in America

00:26:35you know where he doesn't

00:26:36talk about this

00:26:37here

00:26:38with people like me

00:26:39I've heard him talk about it

00:26:40several times

00:26:40I've heard him talk about it

00:26:41on stage

00:26:41but he never gets challenged

00:26:42Don

00:26:43here's my point

00:26:44he never gets challenged

00:26:45directly

00:26:46about all the lies

00:26:47he tells in Silenced

00:26:48the reason he got in prison

00:26:50was because of the

00:26:51breach of contempt

00:26:52of court law

00:26:53here

00:26:53which was

00:26:54if you repeat

00:26:55the lies

00:26:55for which you've just

00:26:56lost a libel action

00:26:57and paid damages

00:26:58to this family

00:26:59if you do that again

00:27:01you will go back

00:27:02to prison

00:27:02that is what he did

00:27:03it had nothing to do

00:27:04with free speech

00:27:04let me interject

00:27:06but what was the lies

00:27:06as far as silence

00:27:07I know that you

00:27:09love to get on here

00:27:09and tell that

00:27:10Tommy Robinson

00:27:11told lies about silence

00:27:12that's not the case

00:27:13he did

00:27:13everything told in silence

00:27:14was from the perspective

00:27:16no no no

00:27:17oh yeah

00:27:17one judge

00:27:18overrode five witnesses

00:27:19he called his teachers

00:27:20he punched a twill

00:27:22you're now repeating

00:27:23defamity

00:27:23I'm repeating

00:27:24what the witness is

00:27:25I'm repeating

00:27:26what the witness is

00:27:27I'm repeating

00:27:27what the witness is

00:27:28you are repeating

00:27:28no no

00:27:29I've read

00:27:30I've read every word

00:27:31of that court case

00:27:32those people said

00:27:33it for declaration

00:27:34your problem is

00:27:35you have a vendetta

00:27:36against Tommy Robinson

00:27:37because the last time

00:27:37he was on his show

00:27:38he gave you a shellacking

00:27:40and you've never

00:27:40forgiven him for him

00:27:41no he didn't

00:27:42yes he did

00:27:43everybody knows it

00:27:44like a silly little boy

00:27:46and I held him

00:27:47to account for it

00:27:48look at the clips man

00:27:48look at the clips

00:27:49if your hero Tommy

00:27:51is so courageous

00:27:53and so fierce

00:27:53he's not my hero

00:27:54he's my friend

00:27:55but he is a champion

00:27:56to the British people

00:27:56if your friend Tommy

00:27:57all he has to do

00:27:58is sit here

00:27:59in this desk

00:28:00opposite me

00:28:01and face the same questions

00:28:02but you know why

00:28:03he's ducking me

00:28:04because he knows

00:28:05if he repeats

00:28:06the bullshit

00:28:07he spews to you guys

00:28:08that you all seem

00:28:09to swallow

00:28:09he's going back

00:28:10to prison

00:28:11I'm challenging you right now

00:28:11you cannot answer to me

00:28:13you cannot tell me

00:28:14how you know

00:28:15why you think

00:28:16it was a lie

00:28:16because one judge

00:28:18said that the five people

00:28:19that he brought to court

00:28:20and said

00:28:21this Syrian boy

00:28:22did all these things

00:28:23the Fabian society

00:28:25the liberal Fabian society

00:28:27judge says no

00:28:28all of these witnesses

00:28:29are lying

00:28:30you're now naming the judge

00:28:32it seems a really

00:28:33extraordinary thing

00:28:33Cenk here's the problem

00:28:35with this

00:28:35Tommy Robinson

00:28:37wields an extraordinarily

00:28:38I live in a free country

00:28:39well I can't don't

00:28:40I've just given you

00:28:41free speech

00:28:41to have your rant

00:28:42it's fine

00:28:42I don't agree with you

00:28:43we can agree to disagree

00:28:45you agree

00:28:45yeah for sure

00:28:46you believe in free speech

00:28:47so calm down

00:28:48so Cenk

00:28:50here's the issue

00:28:51Tommy Robinson

00:28:52wields an extraordinarily

00:28:54odd influence

00:28:56to the conservative right

00:28:57in America

00:28:58who seem to believe

00:28:59all the stuff

00:28:59he comes out with

00:29:00and in the process

00:29:02he paints this picture

00:29:03of Britain

00:29:04which I simply

00:29:05don't recognise

00:29:05I live here

00:29:07I walk around the street

00:29:08despite what

00:29:09some American guests

00:29:10have said

00:29:10I go to football matches

00:29:12with real British people

00:29:13every week

00:29:14I'll be at one tonight

00:29:15with 60,000

00:29:17mainly working class

00:29:18British people

00:29:19I don't recognise

00:29:20and it'll be full of

00:29:21people from all walks of life

00:29:23black

00:29:23white

00:29:23Muslim

00:29:24Jewish

00:29:25Christian

00:29:26and you know what

00:29:27it's all fine

00:29:28there's no Muslim takeover

00:29:30the game won't be stopped

00:29:31half way through

00:29:32because the Muslims

00:29:33have decided

00:29:34in a Sharia court

00:29:35that we're not allowed to play

00:29:36this is all horse shit

00:29:38Cenk

00:29:39your thoughts

00:29:39yeah it's fine

00:29:40250,000 of your women

00:29:42are being raped

00:29:42by Muslim

00:29:43but it's okay

00:29:44it's fine

00:29:44again an utterly

00:29:45ridiculous statement

00:29:46go to Birmingham

00:29:47go to Manchester

00:29:48utterly ridiculous statement

00:29:49go to Harlan

00:29:50as I've said repeatedly

00:29:51the vast majority

00:29:52of sexual crime

00:29:53against women

00:29:54in the UK

00:29:54that was Lord Malcolm Pearson

00:29:55in Parliament

00:29:56Don Keith

00:29:57the vast majority

00:29:59of sexual crime

00:29:59against women

00:30:00in my country

00:30:00is committed

00:30:01by white men

00:30:02oh here we go

00:30:03you've never heard

00:30:04of Per Capita

00:30:05I have heard

00:30:05of Per Capita

00:30:07it's disproportionately

00:30:08committed by Muslims

00:30:09against white Christian

00:30:10girls because it's

00:30:11a rape genocide

00:30:12let me bring Cenk

00:30:13let me bring Cenk

00:30:14let me bring Cenk

00:30:17Cenk

00:30:17yeah

00:30:17alright so there's

00:30:19a couple layers of this

00:30:19first of all

00:30:20the idea that

00:30:21Sharia law is about

00:30:22to take over London

00:30:23or here in America

00:30:24Oklahoma keeps

00:30:25passing laws

00:30:26as if

00:30:27the Sharia law

00:30:29is about to take over

00:30:30Tulsa

00:30:31this is all

00:30:32demagoguery

00:30:33and it's super obvious

00:30:34especially in America

00:30:36where Muslims

00:30:37are a tiny tiny minority

00:30:38so the reason why

00:30:40people push that forward

00:30:41is because they want

00:30:42people to hate Muslims

00:30:44now why do they want

00:30:45people to hate Muslims

00:30:46how come there's no

00:30:47propaganda against

00:30:47Buddhists or Hindus

00:30:49right

00:30:49and please don't start it

00:30:52I don't want propaganda

00:30:53against anyone

00:30:54but the reason why

00:30:55there's no propaganda

00:30:56against Muslims

00:30:57in the West

00:30:58no actually

00:30:59in the

00:31:00they did it to the

00:31:02to the Rohingya

00:31:04in Myanmar

00:31:05so it's not about

00:31:06religion guys

00:31:07Buddhists do it

00:31:08Jews do it

00:31:08Muslims do it

00:31:09Christians do it

00:31:09there's people who

00:31:10abuse other folks

00:31:11all across the world

00:31:12from all the different

00:31:13religions

00:31:13you mentioned

00:31:14shunning women

00:31:15who leave the religion

00:31:16or shunning anyone

00:31:17who leaves the religion

00:31:17the Mormons do that

00:31:19so you talk about

00:31:20oh my god

00:31:21how do they treat

00:31:22their wives

00:31:22and they expect them

00:31:23to be traditional

00:31:24I'm not fond of Mormons

00:31:24there's literally a concept

00:31:25called trad wives

00:31:26there's a concept

00:31:28called trad wives

00:31:29in America

00:31:29so you can insult

00:31:30everybody's religion

00:31:31if you want

00:31:32but the most important

00:31:33part is why are they

00:31:34doing this

00:31:34and there's a politics

00:31:36behind it

00:31:36in fact there's people

00:31:37paying for it

00:31:38the Israelis pay people

00:31:40in the UK

00:31:41and the US

00:31:41to spread hatred

00:31:43towards Muslims

00:31:44so that the UK

00:31:45and the US

00:31:46will finance Israel

00:31:47and their war crimes

00:31:48and their wars

00:31:49against Muslims

00:31:50it's totally on purpose

00:31:52it can actually be

00:31:52easier than that

00:31:53I mean Keith

00:31:54for example

00:31:54you shared a video

00:31:55to your very large

00:31:56online audience

00:31:57with the caption

00:31:58this is a town council

00:31:59meeting in England

00:32:00not Afghanistan

00:32:01I shit you not

00:32:02and you used the footage

00:32:04to push the narrative

00:32:05that British local

00:32:06government institutions

00:32:06have been completely

00:32:08overrun and dominated

00:32:09by foreign Islamic interests

00:32:11the very point

00:32:12you've been making to me

00:32:13but it turned out

00:32:14the footage was of a meeting

00:32:15in Pakistan

00:32:16and you then took that down

00:32:18right

00:32:19so would you like

00:32:20to apologize

00:32:22for a ridiculous

00:32:23I did take it down

00:32:24it was a repost

00:32:25have you apologized

00:32:25I took it down

00:32:26it was wrong

00:32:27yeah

00:32:27you apologized

00:32:28of course I apologized

00:32:28if it was wrong

00:32:29yeah

00:32:29okay good

00:32:30why did you post it

00:32:31without checking

00:32:34it's very hard to tell

00:32:35that the first

00:32:36that's the problem

00:32:37with social media

00:32:38sometimes we try

00:32:39to be too quick

00:32:40rather than accurate

00:32:41and that was a mistake

00:32:42on my part

00:32:42I don't have a problem

00:32:43owning a mistake

00:32:44so yeah

00:32:45I took the post down

00:32:47as soon as I realized

00:32:48it was wrong

00:32:48but the difference

00:32:49as I see it

00:32:50and all these things

00:32:51you're pointing out

00:32:52about the different religions

00:32:53there's a reason

00:32:54why we don't see

00:32:55almost no Muslim girls

00:32:57in the rape statistics

00:32:58in Britain

00:32:59is because

00:32:59it's a religiously

00:33:01motivated rape jihad

00:33:03against Christians

00:33:04by these predominantly

00:33:04Pakistani Muslim men

00:33:06oh my god

00:33:06you don't find the white men

00:33:07hold on

00:33:08you don't find the white men

00:33:09in Britain

00:33:10raping Muslim girls

00:33:11as some sort of

00:33:12religious targeting

00:33:13because the reason

00:33:14they don't rape

00:33:15their own girls

00:33:15is because that would be haram

00:33:16so they go outside

00:33:17of their religion

00:33:18because that's considered

00:33:19alright

00:33:19because we know

00:33:20what the Quran says

00:33:21about sex slaves

00:33:22and all those things

00:33:23outside of your religion

00:33:24it's just

00:33:25oh it's just made up

00:33:26this is just made up

00:33:27let me bring

00:33:28Ava Santina back in

00:33:29let me bring

00:33:29Ava Santina back in here

00:33:31in your mind

00:33:31you probably want to do it

00:33:33that's why you put it

00:33:33you project it

00:33:34on the Muslims

00:33:35because your sick mind

00:33:37thinks that that's

00:33:37a fun thing to do

00:33:39we don't think

00:33:40that's a fun thing to do

00:33:41you think it's a fun thing

00:33:42to do

00:33:43because you're a sick individual

00:33:44you're an idiot

00:33:45you're an idiot

00:33:47what was it

00:33:48oh wow

00:33:49that was an effective argument

00:33:50sorry I missed

00:33:51what you said

00:33:51what did you say

00:33:52yours was super effective too

00:33:55what was the point you made

00:33:56so what happens

00:33:57hold on

00:33:58hold on

00:33:59what happens all the time

00:34:00with anti-Muslim hatred

00:34:02is projection

00:34:02so for example

00:34:03I'm not anti-Muslim

00:34:04I like Muslims who like me

00:34:07I don't like Islam

00:34:08hold on

00:34:08shut up

00:34:09shut up

00:34:09hey bigot

00:34:10you shut up

00:34:11shut up

00:34:11shut your mouth

00:34:12what you gonna do

00:34:13what you gonna do

00:34:14so no

00:34:14it's my question

00:34:15it's my question

00:34:17okay

00:34:18so this bigot

00:34:19comes on here

00:34:19and makes up

00:34:20this fantasy

00:34:21he has in his head

00:34:22about Muslims

00:34:22raping white women

00:34:23because he wants

00:34:24to rape women

00:34:25and he thinks

00:34:26that's a fun thing

00:34:27to do

00:34:27so he projects

00:34:28it on the Muslims

00:34:29as if they would

00:34:30want to do it

00:34:32no no no

00:34:33no no

00:34:34no no

00:34:35no no

00:34:35you cannot say that

00:34:37I'm sorry

00:34:38there is absolutely

00:34:39no evidence

00:34:39that Don Key

00:34:40wants to rape people

00:34:42right

00:34:42and let's be clear

00:34:43well there's no evidence

00:34:44that Muslims

00:34:45want to do it either

00:34:46but he just made it up

00:34:47no he hasn't

00:34:48made it up

00:34:49I would argue

00:34:49there's an exaggeration

00:34:51there for this reason

00:34:52there was a clear

00:34:53oh then I'm exaggerating

00:34:54maybe he wants

00:34:55to rape adult women

00:34:56I don't know

00:34:57just adult women

00:34:58he's given no indication

00:34:59he wants to rape

00:35:00any women

00:35:01right

00:35:01so I think

00:35:02that's an outrageous

00:35:02thing to say

00:35:03and what I would say

00:35:04about the point

00:35:04he's making

00:35:05oh it's an outrageous

00:35:06thing to say about him

00:35:07but it's not outrageous

00:35:08to say about all Muslims

00:35:09no

00:35:09no it's much more

00:35:11outrageous to say

00:35:12about all Muslims

00:35:12the only reason

00:35:14you would think it

00:35:14is if it's a fantasy

00:35:15in your head

00:35:16yeah Don

00:35:17you think about it

00:35:18all the time

00:35:18don't you

00:35:18it's not my statistic

00:35:20it's the British

00:35:21government statistic

00:35:23250,000 plus girls

00:35:24in the last 25 years

00:35:26have been raped

00:35:27by predominantly

00:35:27Pakistani Muslim

00:35:29men

00:35:29that was Lord

00:35:30Malcolm Pearson

00:35:30in the House of Lords

00:35:32who said that

00:35:32it was not me

00:35:33so don't get mad at me

00:35:34you go get mad

00:35:35at Lord Malcolm Pearson

00:35:37can I just tell you

00:35:37this sophistry

00:35:38this trick that they do

00:35:40so they do it here

00:35:41in America

00:35:41with immigrants

00:35:42I don't know anything

00:35:43about that number

00:35:43but here in America

00:35:45immigrants commit

00:35:46less crime

00:35:47in fact legalized

00:35:48immigrants like me

00:35:49naturalized citizens

00:35:50like me commit

00:35:50a quarter of the crime

00:35:52so a person born in America

00:35:54is four times more likely

00:35:56to commit crime

00:35:57right

00:35:57but what they do

00:35:58is they find

00:35:59one or two cases

00:36:01or a series of cases

00:36:02over 25 years

00:36:04and they go

00:36:04look at the number

00:36:05of cases

00:36:06now if you did that

00:36:06with as Pierce said

00:36:07with white Christians

00:36:08you would have a number

00:36:10that is so much higher

00:36:12but they don't say that

00:36:13and I wouldn't say that

00:36:14does that mean

00:36:14all white Christians do it

00:36:15of course not

00:36:16of course not

00:36:17but these guys

00:36:19who want to spread hatred

00:36:21they go and cherry pick numbers

00:36:23which are much much worse

00:36:24for the native born

00:36:25or for white Christians

00:36:26but we don't cherry pick

00:36:28numbers like that

00:36:29to blame white Christians

00:36:30because that's insane

00:36:31if you're a white Christian

00:36:32you're not responsible

00:36:33for the act

00:36:34of some stupid rapist

00:36:35that's not fair to you

00:36:36let me bring in

00:36:37I want to bring in

00:36:38but these guys say

00:36:39as a blanket statement

00:36:41about all Muslims

00:36:41I want to bring the women

00:36:42back into the base

00:36:43because A. they hate Muslims

00:36:43and B. they're all serving Israel

00:36:46white men stay within their own

00:36:47the difference is

00:36:48white men stay within their cultures

00:36:50all races pretty much

00:36:53for any crime

00:36:53that is complete nonsense

00:36:58the idea that white men

00:36:59only rape within their own cultures

00:37:01I didn't say army

00:37:01I said predominantly

00:37:03predominantly

00:37:04so just hear me out

00:37:05if you look at statistics

00:37:06so they predominantly rape white women

00:37:08and you think that's a good thing

00:37:09you think it's a good thing

00:37:11that white men

00:37:11predominantly rape white women

00:37:13you know what

00:37:14I'm going to bring a woman in here

00:37:15because I feel

00:37:16crimes in general

00:37:17are committed

00:37:18I don't like any

00:37:19I don't like any of the tenor

00:37:21of what you guys

00:37:22are talking about

00:37:22all right

00:37:23this is

00:37:23rape is the most serious

00:37:24sexual crime imaginable

00:37:26I agree

00:37:27and at the moment

00:37:28it's getting trivialised

00:37:29in a pretty distasteful manner

00:37:31Ava let me bring you in here

00:37:32I agree

00:37:32look we're talking about this

00:37:34in a way which I just

00:37:35I'd find increasing our comfort

00:37:36can I just say importantly

00:37:37before you ask me your question

00:37:38I can't find any evidence

00:37:40of that statistic

00:37:41and I think the thing

00:37:42I would say

00:37:43which is probably not going

00:37:44to go down very well

00:37:45but various police forces

00:37:46and actually that was

00:37:47one of the main reasons

00:37:48that the Rotherham grooming gangs

00:37:49exploded in the way it is

00:37:50don't actually record

00:37:51ethnicity and race

00:37:52that's a big problem

00:37:53in this country

00:37:54so it would be highly unlikely

00:37:55that you'd have been able

00:37:56to have that kind of data

00:37:57in the first place

00:37:58it was

00:37:58it was announced by

00:38:00it was given to the

00:38:01House of Commons

00:38:02excuse me

00:38:02House of Lords

00:38:03by Lord Pearson

00:38:03House of Lords

00:38:04yes

00:38:05sorry

00:38:05thank you

00:38:06but by Lord Pearson

00:38:07but there isn't any

00:38:08evidence

00:38:09it was then submitted

00:38:10to ministers

00:38:11who rejected it

00:38:12so I don't think

00:38:12there is any evidence

00:38:13for that claim

00:38:14sorry can I ask you a question

00:38:16of course

00:38:16of course he's lying

00:38:17if someone God forbid

00:38:19raped your daughter

00:38:20and then came back to you

00:38:21and said to you

00:38:22actually let's talk about

00:38:23ethnicity and religion

00:38:24and statistics

00:38:25and not the fact that

00:38:26your child has been raped

00:38:27how would you feel

00:38:28how would you feel

00:38:29these are children

00:38:31we're talking about

00:38:31children have been raped

00:38:33and rather than people

00:38:34just focus on the fact

00:38:35that these children

00:38:36have been raped

00:38:36it's not doing this

00:38:37they're talking about

00:38:38Islamophobia

00:38:38racism

00:38:39look at this

00:38:40here

00:38:40using the example

00:38:43that white men

00:38:44rape in this country

00:38:45it's like saying

00:38:45oh my gosh

00:38:46Nigerians are raping

00:38:47so much of Nigerians

00:38:48white men are the majority

00:38:49in this country

00:38:50so yes

00:38:51they are going to make up

00:38:52the statistics

00:38:52of men raping

00:38:53but when we're talking

00:38:54about grooming gangs

00:38:55yes it is

00:38:56Asian Muslim

00:38:56we're not saying

00:38:57it's all men

00:38:58we're not saying

00:38:59it's all men

00:39:00what I'm trying to say

00:39:01is

00:39:02if someone raped

00:39:03your daughter

00:39:03you would not like

00:39:04someone to come to you

00:39:05talking about ethnicity

00:39:06racism

00:39:07Islamophobia

00:39:07you would want someone

00:39:09to have compassion

00:39:10he is literally

00:39:11just given a statistic

00:39:12making that exact point

00:39:14at the end of the day

00:39:15young girls

00:39:16at the end of the day

00:39:18young girls are being assaulted

00:39:19why are we talking about

00:39:20statistics and racism

00:39:21and Islamophobia

00:39:21that was my point earlier

00:39:22have some compassion

00:39:23why don't you guys

00:39:24just sit here and say

00:39:25it's sad

00:39:26we are literally the ones

00:39:27who are having the compassion

00:39:28just sit here and say

00:39:29it's sad

00:39:30and we need to find a way

00:39:31for it to stop

00:39:32but you guys sit here

00:39:33and talk about Islamophobia

00:39:34and racism

00:39:35and statistics

00:39:35who cares

00:39:36I don't care

00:39:36if it's one person

00:39:37we should just have

00:39:38some flipping compassion

00:39:39but is that not the point

00:39:40that we're all making

00:39:41there's two reasons

00:39:41no the point that I'm making

00:39:42is why wasn't your response

00:39:44this is wrong

00:39:45we need to figure out

00:39:45a way to do it

00:39:46instead you brought out

00:39:47statistics from your phone

00:39:48talking about

00:39:49I cannot find it

00:39:50that is categorically unfair

00:39:51no what I'm trying to say

00:39:52is as a woman

00:39:53have some compassion

00:39:54and if you're

00:39:54no I'm not going to have you

00:39:55dominate the narrative here

00:39:56as if I'm saying

00:39:57that it's okay

00:39:58that young women

00:39:58are being assaulted

00:39:59I can't be arsed

00:40:00and your first yes

00:40:01because you know

00:40:02what you're doing

00:40:02is disgusting

00:40:03I'm sorry

00:40:04and demonic

00:40:04it's so demonic

00:40:05what are you talking about

00:40:07it's demonic

00:40:08you've just driven someone

00:40:09to leave the studio

00:40:10you made up a statue

00:40:12you called it demonic

00:40:13she does not like the fact

00:40:15that I just drew her out

00:40:16for being actually

00:40:17quite disgusting

00:40:18if someone tells you

00:40:20that young girls

00:40:20she wasn't disgusting

00:40:20you were the one

00:40:21being disgusting

00:40:22and how

00:40:22you didn't listen to her

00:40:24how

00:40:24I listened to everything

00:40:26that she said

00:40:26and what I thought

00:40:27you started talking about

00:40:28what if your daughter

00:40:29was raped

00:40:29are you insane

00:40:30she was checking a claim

00:40:31made by another panel member

00:40:32if someone tells you

00:40:32that a young person

00:40:33has been raped

00:40:33I don't care if it's

00:40:34five English women

00:40:35or two English women

00:40:36have some compassion

00:40:37and just say it's wrong

00:40:38where did she show

00:40:39no compassion

00:40:40what are you talking about

00:40:41when did she say

00:40:42in this interview

00:40:44that this is wrong

00:40:45and we need to figure out

00:40:45a way to stop

00:40:46you weren't even listening

00:40:46to why she was

00:40:47saying what she was saying

00:40:48no but what I'm trying

00:40:49to say is

00:40:50why was her first response

00:40:51bringing out statistics

00:40:52and not saying

00:40:53actually this is wrong

00:40:54because another panel member

00:40:56made a claim

00:40:57about a statistic

00:40:58how stupid can you be

00:41:00it's not about being stupid

00:41:01you made up a statistic

00:41:02and then said it was demonic

00:41:03the whole far right narrative

00:41:05the statistic wasn't made up

00:41:06the statistic was not made up

00:41:08it was extrapolated

00:41:09from data that came

00:41:11from Rotherham

00:41:12extrapolated

00:41:13yeah

00:41:13that same method

00:41:15that same method

00:41:16of extrapolation

00:41:17is used to

00:41:18for disease prevalence

00:41:20wildlife

00:41:21environmental factors

00:41:22that same method

00:41:23of data collection

00:41:25is used

00:41:25throughout science

00:41:27let me try and help

00:41:27for those who are

00:41:28too stupid

00:41:29at the back

00:41:31Don Keith made a claim

00:41:32which Ava Santina

00:41:34was at the same time

00:41:35justifying the fact

00:41:37that we should not

00:41:38have sympathy for it

00:41:39and at the same time

00:41:40nobody said that

00:41:41what are you talking about

00:41:42do you have sympathy

00:41:42for what's going on

00:41:43with the girl

00:41:44nobody said that

00:41:44do you have sympathy

00:41:45what are you doing

00:41:46for what

00:41:47do you have sympathy

00:41:47for the young English

00:41:48girls that have been

00:41:49assaulted

00:41:49do you have sympathy

00:41:50sorry

00:41:51oh so now you're stuttering

00:41:53now you're stuttering

00:41:54so you've just

00:41:55exposed yourself

00:41:55do you know what

00:41:56I have a no stupid

00:41:58people rule

00:41:58on panel members

00:42:00for this show

00:42:00and sometimes

00:42:01we drop below it

00:42:02the way you started

00:42:04this panel

00:42:04and the way you've

00:42:05ended it

00:42:05suggests that you

00:42:07shouldn't have

00:42:07passed our bar

00:42:08because frankly

00:42:09you've been not only

00:42:10stupid and ill-informed

00:42:11and told a bunch

00:42:13of lies

00:42:13but then right

00:42:14at the end

00:42:14you've driven

00:42:15one of our

00:42:15regular panel members

00:42:17to leave

00:42:18because you told

00:42:18disgusting lies

00:42:19about her

00:42:21you made

00:42:22disgusting suggestions

00:42:23about what she did

00:42:24or didn't care about

00:42:26I was just questioning

00:42:26where was her sympathy

00:42:27to be clear

00:42:28Don Keith made a statement

00:42:30involving a statistic

00:42:31Ava checked it

00:42:33the 250,000 stat

00:42:34is widely circulated

00:42:36but unsubstantiated

00:42:37as she explained

00:42:38the government

00:42:39grooming gangs

00:42:40task force

00:42:40created in

00:42:412023

00:42:42helped police

00:42:43to identify

00:42:43more than 4,000

00:42:45victims

00:42:45let me say

00:42:46what I believe

00:42:46about that

00:42:47it was disgusting

00:42:48that that was

00:42:49going on for so long

00:42:50without proper

00:42:51accountability

00:42:51it was disgusting

00:42:53that there was

00:42:54a cover-up

00:42:54at all levels

00:42:55of government

00:42:56in this country

00:42:57to not bring

00:42:58the perpetrators

00:42:59to book

00:43:00yes it is true

00:43:01that in that

00:43:01particular grooming

00:43:02gang

00:43:03rape gang

00:43:03scandal

00:43:04it involved

00:43:05predominantly

00:43:05British Pakistani

00:43:06Muslim men

00:43:08all of those

00:43:08things are

00:43:09inarguable

00:43:10but it is also

00:43:11true

00:43:12that the vast

00:43:12majority of

00:43:13sexual crime

00:43:14in this country

00:43:15is perpetrated

00:43:16by white men

00:43:17right so this idea

00:43:18that it is only

00:43:19perpetrated

00:43:22by Muslims

00:43:24is nonsense

00:43:25you said only Muslim

00:43:26and the idea

00:43:26that people like me

00:43:27the idea that people

00:43:29like me or Ava Santina

00:43:30have no compassion

00:43:31for the victims

00:43:32when all we have

00:43:33done for the last

00:43:34few years

00:43:35is express loudly

00:43:37and repeatedly

00:43:38our compassion

00:43:39for the victims

00:43:40and our outrage

00:43:41about the scandal

00:43:42is frankly

00:43:43ignorant

00:43:43stupid

00:43:44and disgustingly

00:43:46offensive

00:43:46and I don't blame

00:43:47Ava for leaving

00:43:48and you

00:43:49I'm afraid

00:43:49if you ever come back

00:43:51here which I think

00:43:51is unlikely

00:43:52Sintish

00:43:53you should be

00:43:53better informed

00:43:54and when you're

00:43:55on a panel

00:43:55you should listen

00:43:56to what people

00:43:57are actually saying

00:43:58before you smear them

00:44:00in the way

00:44:00that you smeared them

00:44:01we're going to end

00:44:02things there

00:44:02thank you

00:44:03to my panel

00:44:04I appreciate it

00:44:05we're turning now

00:44:06to the claims

00:44:06of an Israeli plot

00:44:07to hijack Eurovision voting

00:44:09and Israel's decision

00:44:10to sue the New York Times

00:44:11with two guests

00:44:11who actually both

00:44:12attended marches

00:44:13in London this weekend

00:44:14but not the same one

00:44:15Jonathan Conrickers

00:44:16is a former lieutenant colonel

00:44:17and spokesman for the IDF

00:44:18and Kieran Andreu

00:44:20is a British-Palestinian

00:44:21journalist and activist

00:44:22well welcome

00:44:22to both of you

00:44:24Jonathan

00:44:25nice to see you here

00:44:26in the studio

00:44:27regular guest

00:44:27on Uncensored obviously

00:44:30Zahra Sultana MP

00:44:31claimed on Exo

00:44:32with 250,000 people

00:44:34police said 20,000

00:44:35Tommy Robinson said

00:44:36there were millions

00:44:37at his march

00:44:38police said

00:44:39there were 50,000

00:44:40what is it about

00:44:41is march size

00:44:42the new penis size

00:44:44where people just lie

00:44:45repeatedly about size

00:44:47or if so why?

00:44:49apparently it does matter

00:44:50size

00:44:51but in terms of

00:44:53you know

00:44:53that's not I think

00:44:54a unique phenomenon here

00:44:55I haven't heard

00:44:56an organiser

00:44:57of any political rally

00:44:58to claim the same numbers

00:45:00that then authorities

00:45:01police

00:45:02and aerial reconnaissance

00:45:04and AI supported

00:45:05afterwards

00:45:05is usually much more

00:45:07so I don't think

00:45:07that's anything unique

00:45:09to these demonstrations

00:45:10I was happy to be

00:45:12among the crowd

00:45:13of the Unite the Kingdom

00:45:15march

00:45:15I found it very enjoyable

00:45:17did you feel you were

00:45:18amongst like-minded souls

00:45:19there Jonathan?

00:45:20I felt that I was

00:45:22amongst patriots

00:45:23I mean

00:45:24they are

00:45:24yeah

00:45:25I saw a lot of

00:45:26British patriots

00:45:27I saw a lot of people

00:45:28who were marching

00:45:29with their own flags

00:45:30and being proud

00:45:31and happy

00:45:31to live in a free

00:45:33democratic society

00:45:34I only saw one of the speakers

00:45:35do this

00:45:35Kelly Jean King

00:45:36let's look at this

00:45:38it's not too late

00:45:40to get Islam

00:45:41out of that building

00:45:45it is not too late

00:45:46to get Islam

00:45:47out of every single

00:45:49official office

00:45:50in this country

00:45:54and more than not too late

00:45:56it is absolutely vital

00:45:59if we want to save

00:46:01this country

00:46:02we have to remove

00:46:04Islam

00:46:04from every single

00:46:06place of authority

00:46:09you feel comfortable now

00:46:11now you've seen that

00:46:12that's one of the speakers

00:46:12at the event

00:46:13well she didn't say

00:46:14Muslims did she

00:46:15she said

00:46:16specifically said

00:46:17Islam

00:46:18and I think there's

00:46:19a very big difference here

00:46:20had she said Muslims

00:46:21as in people

00:46:22with beliefs

00:46:23I would have had

00:46:24what if she said

00:46:25Jews or people

00:46:26who practice Judaism

00:46:27well she didn't say

00:46:28Jews

00:46:29or she didn't say

00:46:30people

00:46:30you're splitting hairs

00:46:31Jonathan

00:46:31no no

00:46:32you know you are

00:46:32no I'm not

00:46:33and I think that's

00:46:34a valuable point

00:46:34so she said

00:46:34we've got to get

00:46:35Judaism out of

00:46:36every form of

00:46:38parliament

00:46:38local or state level

00:46:40national level

00:46:40of the country

00:46:41I don't know

00:46:41that there is

00:46:42any Jewish authority

00:46:43in British politics

00:46:44I don't know

00:46:45that Jews exercise

00:46:46well there's no Islam

00:46:47authority in British politics

00:46:48I don't know

00:46:49that

00:46:49well actually

00:46:50who isn't

00:46:51actually I would beg

00:46:52to differ

00:46:52I think that there are

00:46:53numerous heads of councils

00:46:55who happen to be Muslim

00:46:57no

00:46:57who when they

00:46:59pledge allegiance

00:47:00in their acceptance speech

00:47:01they do it to the ummah

00:47:02they don't do it to queen

00:47:04or king and country

00:47:05and not to the flag

00:47:05they have to abide

00:47:06by UK law

00:47:08well that's also open

00:47:09for debate

00:47:10they have to allegedly

00:47:11but if you ask them

00:47:12what comes first

00:47:13is it the law of the land

00:47:15British law

00:47:16or is it Sharia

00:47:17let me bring in

00:47:18Kieran

00:47:18welcome back to

00:47:19our sense

00:47:19see this is the problem

00:47:20I have

00:47:21Jonathan is a regular guest

00:47:23I enjoy having him on

00:47:24always

00:47:25I think

00:47:25you know

00:47:26one of the more

00:47:27fair minded people

00:47:28I may say that

00:47:29without sounding patronising

00:47:30when we talk about

00:47:31all issues involving Israel

00:47:33because you're not afraid

00:47:34to be critical

00:47:34where you feel

00:47:35it's deserved

00:47:36but on this one

00:47:37to me

00:47:38there's a complete

00:47:40either willful

00:47:41refusal to

00:47:43just watch

00:47:43watch what we just watched

00:47:44and interpret it correctly

00:47:45or just a double standard

00:47:46and I say that

00:47:47with Jonathan sitting here

00:47:48because the truth is

00:47:49if she had said

00:47:51if that had been

00:47:51at the other rally

00:47:52and you had a speaker

00:47:54saying we've got to get rid

00:47:55of all the Jews

00:47:56but she didn't say

00:47:57well it's the same thing

00:47:58no it isn't

00:47:59it is a big difference

00:48:00I think

00:48:01so you'll be pleased to hear

00:48:03I don't think

00:48:04Jonathan is very fair minded

00:48:05we've debated before

00:48:06Jonathan on various shows

00:48:08I think that it's

00:48:10very very instructive

00:48:11and actually very useful

00:48:13that you openly say

00:48:15you line up with

00:48:16Tommy Robinson

00:48:16and his cohort

00:48:18I think it's very useful

00:48:19because we get

00:48:20a transparent

00:48:21size of you

00:48:22when you say such a thing

00:48:24and by extension

00:48:24I think a good part

00:48:25of the Israeli

00:48:26body politic

00:48:27I think you speak

00:48:28for a lot of them

00:48:29I could say the same thing

00:48:31about you

00:48:31marching with Hamas

00:48:32if the woman there

00:48:33yeah

00:48:33that's a complete

00:48:35nonsense analogy

00:48:36if

00:48:37why would that be the case

00:48:38if Hamas was represented

00:48:41you just

00:48:41Jonathan

00:48:42Jonathan

00:48:43Jonathan

00:48:44Jonathan

00:48:44I will address you back

00:48:47I will not interrupt you

00:48:48if you won't interrupt me

00:48:49otherwise it's going to make

00:48:50a great mess

00:48:51for the audience

00:48:51listen

00:48:52I hadn't finished my point

00:48:53I think you should let me

00:48:55finish my point

00:48:57Jonathan

00:48:59if you want to just

00:49:00muddy the waters

00:49:01so that nobody can hear

00:49:02either of us

00:49:03you're going to end up

00:49:04coming away

00:49:04like the pantomime villain

00:49:05let me finish my point

00:49:06the only villain here

00:49:07would be you

00:49:08but fine

00:49:09if you refrain

00:49:10from

00:49:11Jonathan

00:49:13Jonathan

00:49:13you're a grown man

00:49:15shut up and let me speak

00:49:16don't tell me to shut up

00:49:17don't tell me to shut up

00:49:19don't do that mistake

00:49:19if that woman

00:49:21wanted to make

00:49:22the distinction

00:49:22that you want her to make

00:49:24which is that

00:49:25she doesn't want

00:49:25political Islam

00:49:28in institutions

00:49:29which is what you claim

00:49:30she could have said

00:49:31Islamism

00:49:32no

00:49:32she said Islam

00:49:33no no

00:49:33she said Islam

00:49:34because she doesn't want

00:49:35anybody who is Muslim

00:49:37as Pierce said

00:49:38to fulfill any kind of

00:49:40how do you know

00:49:40what she wants

00:49:41she said Islam

00:49:42it's so slidingly obvious

00:49:43she didn't say

00:49:43I want Muslims

00:49:44she said

00:49:45I don't want Islam

00:49:47now

00:49:47I don't even know the woman

00:49:48I don't know who she is

00:49:49Jonathan

00:49:50quick trivia question

00:49:52but are there any people

00:49:54who follow the faith of Islam

00:49:56who are not Muslim

00:49:59no

00:49:59of course

00:50:00but

00:50:00just for any viewers

00:50:02watching at home

00:50:03who might think

00:50:03that when you say

00:50:04she wasn't talking about Muslim

00:50:05she's talking about Islam

00:50:07but actually

00:50:08if the only people

00:50:10that are engaged

00:50:11in practicing Islam

00:50:13are Muslims

00:50:14and she's talking about

00:50:15removing human beings

00:50:16from the body

00:50:17politic of our country

00:50:19she is talking about Muslims

00:50:20I think you are

00:50:21willfully distorting

00:50:22what she said

00:50:23and I think

00:50:23it doesn't

00:50:24again

00:50:24do you feel comfortable

00:50:25defending her?

00:50:26I feel totally

00:50:27I think there's a problem

00:50:29in this country

00:50:29with whitewashing Islamism

00:50:32and I think that

00:50:33there is so much

00:50:34she didn't say Islamism

00:50:36and I've just given you

00:50:37that word

00:50:38Islamism is an extremist

00:50:40version of Islam

00:50:41and all of us

00:50:43I believe

00:50:43including Kieran

00:50:44would condemn it

00:50:44well I don't know

00:50:45I'll believe it

00:50:46when he says it

00:50:47well Jonathan

00:50:47why don't you ask me

00:50:48why don't you ask me

00:50:49I believe in a secular

00:50:50set of institutions

00:50:52because actually

00:50:52ironically

00:50:53it is a secular society

00:50:55unlike yours by the way

00:50:56you live in an ethno state

00:50:57a secular society

00:50:59so is Denmark and France

00:51:00whatever

00:51:00a secular society

00:51:02so is Denmark and France

00:51:03it's an ethno state

00:51:03otherwise nobody

00:51:04can follow anything

00:51:05a secular society

00:51:06a secular set

00:51:08of institutions

00:51:08is counterintuitively

00:51:11the only guarantee

00:51:12of religious freedoms

00:51:13because you treat

00:51:14every religion equally

00:51:15true

00:51:15you have religious freedom

00:51:16in any of the

00:51:17Muslim countries

00:51:18around the world

00:51:18of course you don't have

00:51:18that in your country

00:51:19of course we do

00:51:20we have it in our country

00:51:21we have it

00:51:22here's the thing

00:51:23we have religious freedom

00:51:24I just think

00:51:24somebody's standing

00:51:25on a stage

00:51:25where you're in the crowd

00:51:26and are proud to be there

00:51:28happy to be there

00:51:29no problem

00:51:30okay

00:51:30but there's a woman

00:51:31standing there

00:51:32who is just being

00:51:33blatantly Islamophobic

00:51:35in the most blatant

00:51:36obvious

00:51:38undeniable

00:51:39uncontestable manner

00:51:40I think you're wrong

00:51:41Pierce

00:51:41and I think that

00:51:42you know

00:51:42I think you have to be

00:51:43a little bit more critical

00:51:45in the way that you're

00:51:46you know

00:51:46happy to

00:51:47with very broad strokes

00:51:49paint something

00:51:50and this is something

00:51:50that not only you do

00:51:52lots of people do it

00:51:53where anything

00:51:54where the root

00:51:55the first letters

00:51:56of Islam

00:51:57is mentioned

00:51:58there's this

00:51:59heightened sensitivity

00:52:00oh lord

00:52:01please not say

00:52:02anything against

00:52:03Judaism

00:52:04and Jews

00:52:05and Israel

00:52:07well you can see

00:52:08that they are the

00:52:09most targeted ethnic

00:52:10group in the UK

00:52:11by far

00:52:12we can see that

00:52:13the hate crimes

00:52:14against Jews

00:52:14are beyond

00:52:15everything else

00:52:16they are ten times

00:52:18the amount of attacks

00:52:19against Muslims

00:52:20so by that

00:52:21by that

00:52:21comparison

00:52:21that's

00:52:23British police

00:52:23that's a lie

00:52:24no that's

00:52:24British police

00:52:25statistics

00:52:26I mean you're a

00:52:26professional liar

00:52:27you're lying now

00:52:28by that number

00:52:29you'd make that

00:52:29you could make that

00:52:30assumption

00:52:31but I think

00:52:32you're doing the same

00:52:33mistake here

00:52:33that woman

00:52:34who again

00:52:34I don't know

00:52:35who she is

00:52:36and I don't know

00:52:36where she comes from

00:52:37but when she chose

00:52:38to say

00:52:39Islam

00:52:40the religion

00:52:41and not Muslims

00:52:42I think that's

00:52:43what do you think

00:52:43she meant

00:52:44to keep Islam

00:52:45out of our

00:52:46body politic

00:52:46well I think

00:52:47she makes a point

00:52:48of having

00:52:49you know

00:52:49keeping Britain

00:52:50British

00:52:51in the sense of

00:52:52that church

00:52:53is separated

00:52:54from power

00:52:55something that you did

00:52:56about a thousand

00:52:57nine hundred years ago

00:52:58or sorry

00:52:58nine hundred years ago

00:52:59and that you have

00:53:00religious freedom

00:53:01why are you defending

00:53:02this Jonathan

00:53:02I don't understand

00:53:03Jonathan can I just say

00:53:04why am I defending it

00:53:05because I believe

00:53:06as someone who lives

00:53:07in the Middle East

00:53:07and unlike

00:53:08perhaps you and others here

00:53:10who don't yet

00:53:11understand the problems

00:53:13with institutional Islam

00:53:15I think that you have yet

00:53:16you don't really understand

00:53:18what's at stake here

00:53:19can I ask

00:53:20am I going to be allowed

00:53:21to come in at any point

00:53:22yeah of course

00:53:23if you let Islamists

00:53:25take over institutions

00:53:26that is exactly

00:53:27what they will do

00:53:28and they will use

00:53:29your system

00:53:30but she didn't say Islamist

00:53:31she said Islam

00:53:32so first of all

00:53:33I think Jonathan

00:53:34it's an extremely strange ship

00:53:36for you to want

00:53:37to go down with this

00:53:38you could have easily

00:53:39just said

00:53:39I condemn that

00:53:40but generally

00:53:40I didn't find that

00:53:41I thought you would

00:53:42I thought you would

00:53:43actually

00:53:43because I think

00:53:44you do a good impression

00:53:45of a reasonable person

00:53:46because we all know

00:53:46if it had been at the other

00:53:47come on with the condescending

00:53:48nonsense

00:53:49if it had been at the other one

00:53:52and she said

00:53:52I want Judaism removed

00:53:54from all political levels

00:53:55of the country

00:53:55you'd have gone nuts

00:53:57rightly

00:53:58I'd have agreed with you

00:53:59Piers

00:53:59I've been on this show

00:54:01enough times

00:54:01not to go nuts

00:54:02about anything

00:54:03any slander

00:54:04against Israel

00:54:05believe me

00:54:05if I was a person

00:54:06who was prone to go nuts

00:54:07I'm talking about

00:54:10the double standards

00:54:10have said

00:54:11the most horrific things

00:54:12about the Jewish state

00:54:14sure I agree

00:54:14and about the IDF

00:54:15it's not about

00:54:16it's not about

00:54:17it's not about

00:54:17it's about Judaism

00:54:17but if a speaker

00:54:19at the NACA rally

00:54:20had stood up

00:54:21and said what she did

00:54:22but about Jews

00:54:24and Judaism

00:54:24you would have rightly

00:54:26with my support

00:54:27have condemned it

00:54:28as outrageous

00:54:28well I'm staggered

00:54:30that when it happens

00:54:31to be the other

00:54:32side of the coin

00:54:33you're not

00:54:34intellectually consistent

00:54:35enough to say

00:54:35that is outrageous

00:54:37I condemn it

00:54:38I think you have

00:54:39a problem here

00:54:39let me also say

00:54:40that if somebody

00:54:41at a NACA demo

00:54:42had stood up

00:54:43and said

00:54:44from the river

00:54:45to the sea

00:54:45yeah

00:54:46Jonathan

00:54:46for instance

00:54:46you're eliding

00:54:47two things

00:54:48if somebody

00:54:49had stood up

00:54:49and said

00:54:49why don't you

00:54:50try and remain

00:54:51on something

00:54:52consistent

00:54:52maybe we disagree

00:54:53on that

00:54:53but if somebody

00:54:54had stood up

00:54:55and said

00:54:55Jewishness

00:54:56or Judaism

00:54:57out of British

00:54:58institutions

00:54:58almost everybody

00:54:59at that demo

00:55:00would have roundly

00:55:01condemned them

00:55:03all the Hamas

00:55:04marked it

00:55:05they would have

00:55:05roundly condemned

00:55:06of course

00:55:07they would have

00:55:08condemned it

00:55:08just like

00:55:09they condemned

00:55:09from the river

00:55:10to the sea

00:55:11just like

00:55:11they condemned

00:55:12the Hamas flag

00:55:13just like

00:55:14they condemned

00:55:14all the calls

00:55:15for genocide

00:55:16Jonathan

00:55:16how many of them

00:55:17have you been to

00:55:18I've had enough

00:55:19demonstrations

00:55:20pointed against me

00:55:21by Palestinians

00:55:21how many of those

00:55:22ones that you seem

00:55:23to think you know

00:55:23all of the decor

00:55:25of

00:55:26just as many

00:55:27as you have been

00:55:28on the other side

00:55:28I'm just telling you

00:55:29that I've been to

00:55:30about 20

00:55:30and I think you've

00:55:32probably been to none

00:55:33let me just play

00:55:33another clip

00:55:33this has gone viral

00:55:34as well

00:55:35this is where

00:55:35three French women

00:55:36took the stage

00:55:37dressed in burqas

00:55:38and encouraged

00:55:39the crowd to shout

00:55:39take them off

00:55:40let's take a look

00:55:46take it off

00:55:47take it off

00:55:48take it off

00:55:49take it off

00:56:13with women dressing like they want i mean if a woman wants to dress what if a woman wants to

00:56:18burqa that's her if it is her choice then by all means in israel we have women dressed in full

00:56:25burqa where you can only see the eyes we have religious jewish women covering their hair and

00:56:30in traditional wear and we have modern secular women in bikinis and shorts and that's totally

00:56:36okay fair enough jonathan what about the point though that's not the point the point is they're

00:56:41making a spectacle of women being forced to take their burqas off that's the point and again you're

00:56:47willfully ignoring that the point you're not a stupid person why are you willfully ignoring

00:56:51of course i don't know take it off take it off what if a woman wearing a burqa walks down

00:56:55the

00:56:55street and encounters any of the people at that demo cheering take it off take it off much more

00:57:00likely that she is going to be subjected to discrimination or persecution or at least feel

00:57:05that she will be subjected to it after a spectacle like that and that's the point that we're making

00:57:10not do you think that women should in theory be allowed to wear burqas you're willfully ignoring

00:57:16the point because you can't defend that it's disgusting there are two more things i want to

00:57:22i want to cover before we listen pierce you put me in this position of defending a uh you put

00:57:28yourself in that position but i didn't organize didn't write the slogans for no but i mean not

00:57:34everything here is uh something that i would have scripted do i support women dressing the way they

00:57:39feel and want to yeah yeah is that part of my culture yes do i think that women should be

00:57:44forced

00:57:44to wear clothes by a patriot by a patriarchal society no do i think that they should be forced

00:57:49to take them off okay also no okay i want to cover the demo very i want to cover very

00:57:54quickly

00:57:55you're getting a voice there are two more things i want to very quickly touch on and one deserves

00:57:59longer time but we haven't got time uh the new york times action over this column penned by

00:58:04nicholas christophe uh included allegations of serious sexual abuse of palestinians in israeli

00:58:09prisons benjamin netany says that the accusation of one of the most hideous and distorted lies

00:58:13ever published against the state of israel he said they defame the soldiers of israel perpetuated

00:58:18the blood libel about rape trying to create a full symmetry between the genocidal terrorist of

00:58:22and israel's valiant soldiers he also significantly says he is suing the new york times so the state

00:58:29of israel is suing one question are we going to see that lawsuit actually pursued to a court

00:58:34i hope it does and because he has threatened this before and then nothing happened yeah

00:58:40irregardless of netanyahu as a person as a prime minister either it will be the state of israel

00:58:45there are a few legal issues that legal hurdles need to be crossed or it will be by surrogate

00:58:50some organization in the u.s which will take it to an american court i think that's great i think

00:58:55do you do you believe that nicholas christophe who as i said to viewers last time he discussed

00:59:00this last week is a double pulitzer prize winning journalist right from my experience of dealing

00:59:05with him a man of methodical journalistic practice right so my question for you is a more broad brush

00:59:11stroke one yeah are you sure that no idf soldiers have ever used any sexual violence against

00:59:18palestinian prisons of course not and i think it would be naive to think that there isn't abuse

00:59:23in israeli prisons okay good as there is in every prison around the world okay good that's an important

00:59:28omission well i mean it's it's i mean it's obvious and that's what i said on record when they

00:59:32interviewed me in the the free press and a few other places that's why i said at the start you

00:59:36are one of the more fair-minded people i get it's i mean it's a basic thing it's a basic

00:59:40thing

00:59:40sadly in incarcerated situations where one party has the force over the other these things sadly

00:59:47happen they happen in british prisons in american in maybe not in so nick christophe's report could

00:59:52be entirely accurate no it isn't how do you know well one reason i know you know he's going on

00:59:57i know

00:59:57he's exposed a number of so one thing what what christophe did was to try to paint a picture

01:00:02of systemic sexual assault and abuse which is that is how do you know it's not going on so i'll

01:00:09come

01:00:09to it he used the the worst of the worst the icing on his cake his cake his rotten cake

01:00:16was to say

01:00:17that israel has trained dogs to perform rape as in and i'm sorry for being graphic but that is what

01:00:22he wrote to actually penetrate humans dogs actually doing that there are a list of experienced

01:00:30canine handlers and trainers who are on record saying that is biologically impossible to get

01:00:37a dog to do israel sourced those and israel said to the new york times are you sure that you

01:00:42want to

01:00:42stick with that really ridiculous idea of israel training dogs sorry and then the new york times

01:00:48said yes we're sticking that is the reason before you respond but both nick christophe uh repeatedly and

01:00:55the new york times repeatedly have 100 stood behind their reporting uh and what is your well i mean

01:01:02the idea first of all there's a few things here first of all the idea that the new york times

01:01:06which

01:01:06was for a long time ran by david remnick who would be i think he described himself as a liberal

01:01:11zionist

01:01:12but it's publishing a story that is so dramatically or diametrically against israel's interests that is

01:01:19false i mean they know how litigious the state of israel is they know that if there's any discrepancy

01:01:25in this whatsoever they're going to get sued and so i believe they're going to get threatened

01:01:30they're going to get threatened with but then yahoo has a as a history of issuing similar threats that

01:01:35then never materialized and that's what's going to happen here this isn't going to materialize

01:01:40because first of all there is so much evidence of systemic rape and he never said by the way that

01:01:46the

01:01:46the idf commanders or any members of government had ordered any of this as a systemic he said it

01:01:52goes on he said it goes on no you have you began your defense of this by saying it happened

01:01:57and by

01:01:57the way sorry the difference here is that i'm just going to come back in yeah the thing you said

01:02:02about

01:02:02canine trainers there are there is a lot of evidence which has been confirmed that augusto

01:02:07pinochet in chile there is none i've gone into i've gone into the i've gone into the good for you

01:02:12i've gone into the allegations from that you as well and it isn't true and we haven't got the

01:02:17evidence to have but viewers can go away and look at it it is completely false it is biologically

01:02:20impossible it's also very interesting that you've looked into it to disprove that it's possible of

01:02:24course because it's such maybe because you're concerned no because it's such an absurdity and it

01:02:29is what catches the minds of ill-informed whether whether whether just like the mosat

01:02:35filibuster filibuster filibuster filibuster just like the mosat using dolphins let me finish my

01:02:40point you've been waxing on about no no no listen yes the viewers will be able to see the viewers

01:02:44will be able to see that i haven't interrupted you once i've been very respectful because you

01:02:48constantly what you what you are doing is hectoring every syllable i produce i urge you again shut up

01:02:55don't use that language you're in no position to tell anybody to shut up no you're in no position to

01:03:04whatever you want there is there is a great train there is a great train of systemic of of evidence

01:03:11of systemic rape in israeli prison absolute and i'm going to tell you something else i'm going to

01:03:16tell you something which will blow your mind which you'll definitely you'll definitely dismiss my own

01:03:20brother is a palestinian who has been sexually assaulted in prison so i do not want to hear from

01:03:27you that this doesn't go on or that it isn't systemic because there is so much evidence there is

01:03:31well to be clear to be clear jonathan said it does go on it does go and i would argue

01:03:37i would argue

01:03:38once you make that admission you don't know how much exactly how can you do all you've conceded is

01:03:43it happens but also there are lots of palestinian prisoners who say it happens so then we're arguing

01:03:47about the amount it happens no no we are we are we are arguing about two things pierce one is

01:03:52the issue

01:03:52of systemic like an institutional effort in order to train dogs there needs to be a system behind it

01:03:59and it is the peak of absurdity to but you're fixating on the dogs i'm fixating on the dogs

01:04:04because and by the way you're interrupting what about i'm fixating i'm focusing on the dogs because

01:04:10it is the most ridiculous and unfounded claim which is based on a palestinian guy in gaza who says so

01:04:17no forensics no other evidence nothing absolutely just a guy a palestinian in gaza who says this is

01:04:24what happened okay hang on hang on you don't get to win two pullet surprise by just asking any

01:04:30old guy to tell any old story he went over there he interviewed these people he is standing by his

01:04:36reporting and today all i've seen is a massive snare campaign against nick christoph yeah again

01:04:41you're not looking at again have a serious i'm seeing a former expert i'm seeing a serious dog

01:04:47expert someone who actually knows about it and ask him the real question you can get real

01:04:51geographical and detailed you usually go to facts you usually bring experts and you have someone

01:04:56with you know certain experts did you really think when you first started to learn about your

01:05:05country about israel that you would be on television 40 years 30 years later having to argue that dog

01:05:10experts can't verify whether israeli prison guards use dogs to rape palestinians i mean that is the

01:05:16country i'll tell you what i'll tell you what you have become the amount of it's not what we've

01:05:21become and talk about a lot of people around the world there is a there is a meat ride i

01:05:25haven't

01:05:25finished my question yet there's a giant okay i'm just going to put a quick appendage there yeah

01:05:29there's a there's an archipelago of of prisons in israel that that churns out disturbed tortured

01:05:36sexually abused palestinian prisoners i would say that there's a disturbed system called the

01:05:41palestinian education system that churns out mass murderers and terrorists that's a real problem

01:05:46it's called the state of israel no no it's called the palestinian authority and unrest rule that

01:05:49is moving further and further that's what you should be looking into you should be looking into

01:05:53why are you part of a society that produces it produces politicians that produces suicide bombers

01:06:00that produces people that are willing to say allow akbar and go stab the reason i don't need to

01:06:05shout over you over and over again is because i know how hollow what you're saying we're moving off

01:06:10into a wider church which we haven't got time to explore properly so to be fair to both of you

01:06:14let's end

01:06:14on a sort of weird slightly lighter note which is one question for each other this wasn't weird

01:06:19enough well eurovision yeah right so the new york times has reported their investigation found a

01:06:24well-organized campaign by partner benjamin netanyahu's government that embraced eurovision

01:06:28as a soft power tool israel just came second again did you listen to the israeli performance this year

01:06:35and last year and do you honestly think and i speak as somebody who used to judge america's got talent

01:06:40yeah and britain's got talent and he's happy to say the british entry this year was one of the

01:06:44worst things i've ever watched in my life do you honestly believe that israel had the second best

01:06:49performing act in the last two years or do you think they could be could be jonathan i'm not a

01:06:54conspiracy theorist yeah but perhaps a bit of an online campaign that suited the israeli government

01:07:00to have israel finish in a better place which will reflect better on the country at a time when

01:07:06they're becoming increasingly unpopular yeah you know i'm not a big eurovision song contest fan my

01:07:11late grandmother she was a big fan it was a big festivity every night every time it was special

01:07:16cake and everything i never really found the attraction to it i understand that people think

01:07:21it's important and i've seen it a few times and i don't think that overall there's masterpieces in

01:07:28music performance there not a big fan of any of the countries but it surprise you but i will say

01:07:33would it surprise you if the israeli government had not done a few things to try and boost the

01:07:39israeli vote um what is i don't know but what i think is appalling what i think is appalling is

01:07:46how politicized what i think is appalling is that other countries have boycotted the event just because

01:07:55israel is part of it i think that is well they did it small that it is small it is

01:08:00really pitiful

01:08:02and i think it's it's become a very politicized event so whether or not israel did this i don't

01:08:07know what's incredibly pitiful is first of all it's very obvious that there's a coordinated campaign

01:08:12and it's part of i mean it's consistent with what the israelis have always called hasbara you know

01:08:17it's part of the soft power thing uh so it's very consistent with that i think what's pitiful is that

01:08:23israel is still allowed to participate in a eurovision song contest first of all why is it european

01:08:28we're constantly told that the only place israel could have been was in palestine which is in the

01:08:32middle east so what's going on there in israel second of all second of all well it wasn't that

01:08:37it wasn't called it was that long before anybody made up palestine for the british

01:08:40long before and then before and then aside from that and then aside from that i'm actually an

01:08:47atheist okay aside from that the european cup i mean israel which has been committing

01:08:54the worst genocide of the 21st century for the past three years again absolute and i will

01:08:58interrupt you when you spew why should it be allowed to participate in european competitions

01:09:03it ought to be kicked out and shame on any country that doesn't do what spain did and make a

01:09:09point of

01:09:09saying we're not going to participate in this until that blood-soaked genocidal country is forced to

01:09:14step out with it absolute nonsense and boycotts you know what though i don't remember i don't

01:09:20remember i'm not surprised times i'm actually going to say something that you'll like because

01:09:24i don't remember when i was leading the media campaign against the iraq war in 2003 against

01:09:29the black government i don't remember the world queuing up to ban the uk from these competitions

01:09:35well i think and i'm afraid it's given that we took part half the world away and given we took

01:09:40part in an illegal war which cost a million lives you could argue that we should have been held to

01:09:45the same account people are now holding israel that's the golden if they believe if they believe

01:09:50that israel should not be compared where was spain in demanding that the uk be dropped from

01:09:55that's a that's a separate case but actually i think that that's a very solid point there's

01:09:59something to be explored there i think that a world cup in the united states right now is not

01:10:04justified and i do think well the problem is i think the problem i think the problem is honestly

01:10:09the problem is once you start using war or conflict or other issues as a reason to ban israel's a

01:10:15very

01:10:15special case there were eight countries in the in the qatar world cup there was a huge row about

01:10:30the way that qatar what about russia well hang on hang on hang on hang on it was a huge

01:10:35argument i

01:10:36was there at the qatar world cup did you go to russia hang on there was a huge row in

01:10:40qatar because

01:10:41qatar outlaws homosexuality and i made the point wow eight of the 32 teams they're competing in this

01:10:50world cup ban or outlaw homosexuality most of the african countries are you going to throw them all

01:10:56out of the competition and if you're not stop being a hypocrite no my point is that that doesn't meet

01:11:01the double standards and hypocrisy well it might do to gay people it might do but no but my point

01:11:07is

01:11:07this israel is a very special case it uses sporting events it uses events like eurovision to whitewash

01:11:13its reputation while it actively commits i think you know what i think what about russia what about

01:11:17i think honestly what did you think about russia i i sort of agreed yeah you think they should have

01:11:20been kicked out i think there are there are instances where it should happen but it should

01:11:23be surely israel meets that but it should be morally consistent but i agree with you but i think

01:11:28russia and israel are two very very special well russia well the difference i would argue that the

01:11:32difference is simply that in the case of russia's invasion of ukraine there would be no attack on

01:11:37the russians in russia right from ukrainians you'd accept that whereas i think whereas i think the

01:11:43israeli was the iranian attacks on gaza i think that the key specific attacks which we now everyone

01:11:49is out listen we don't need to go back to that october the 7th i think there was a difference

01:11:52what i

01:11:53would say pierce before is that that i have said this conveniently overlooked and i just came back

01:11:58from the nova jonathan you're just mumbling at this point no i'm told he's very powerful

01:12:01can i just make my point yeah it's a great reminder of how they started it's a great reminder why

01:12:06gaza

01:12:07is like it is you're asking the audience i've got a rapid but let me just say you're asking the

01:12:13audience to wonder in at the beginning of the third act what about the colonization

01:12:19guys we don't have time for the whole history of the middle eastern conflict i'm grateful to you

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