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ادی راما به یورونیوز: برای آلبانی جایگزینی جز پیوستن به اتحادیه اروپا نیست
«ادی راما، نخستوزیر آلبانی، در گفتوگویی مفصل با یورونیوز گفت پیوستن به اتحادیه اروپا تنها راه کشورش است و درباره خطر نیروهای ضد اروپا و "بازیگران ثالث" در بالکان غربی هشدار داد.»
لب بیشتر : http://parsi.euronews.com/2026/06/05/albanias-edi-rama-tells-euronews-there-is-no-alternative-to-eu-accession
مشترک شوید: یورونیوز به یازده زبان دیگر در دسترس شماست
«ادی راما، نخستوزیر آلبانی، در گفتوگویی مفصل با یورونیوز گفت پیوستن به اتحادیه اروپا تنها راه کشورش است و درباره خطر نیروهای ضد اروپا و "بازیگران ثالث" در بالکان غربی هشدار داد.»
لب بیشتر : http://parsi.euronews.com/2026/06/05/albanias-edi-rama-tells-euronews-there-is-no-alternative-to-eu-accession
مشترک شوید: یورونیوز به یازده زبان دیگر در دسترس شماست
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00:07Prime Minister Rama, thank you so much for being with us on Euronews in this summit.
00:12A few months ago, you wrote an op-ed with the Serbian president, Aleksandar Vojcik,
00:17in which you came up with some new concepts for enlargement.
00:21You said there's a way in which you can gradually enter the union, sit at the table,
00:25not without the full package, but be at that table, willing to give up fundamental rights
00:29of a member state.
00:30What do you expect from the summit?
00:32I don't know.
00:34Apparently, there is a written document on the table, which is a French-German document.
00:42You think they copied your idea?
00:44No, it's not about copying.
00:46First of all, my idea was not something that came out like light in the sky,
00:54because I am in this job since some time now, and I realized in the hard way sometimes
01:03that the old way will not work.
01:09So we need to find a different approach.
01:12But there is one piece of the puzzle missing yet, which I called, Helmut called, piece of the puzzle,
01:23meaning politics first, and then the rest follows.
01:29We should sit on the table, around the table, right away, and each one has to make its own work
01:37merit base.
01:38It's a normal thing, around the table.
01:41So let me give you an example.
01:45Ursula von der Leyen, who is our leader, and who in the same time is the one that has reengaged
01:54Europe
01:54with enlargements.
01:56You think that is her credit?
01:58She has really reengaged Europe?
02:00Yeah, because before her, the previous one said there is no enlargement.
02:04So she has six kids.
02:06So the kids are around the table.
02:08And then they have to go through exams, they have to go through school, they have to go through this
02:15and that.
02:15So it's not them deciding anything around the table, but it's them staying on the table,
02:22it's them participating in the family life.
02:25What is missing here is exactly that.
02:28You cannot say to the kids, you have to stay somewhere in the neighborhood,
02:35and when you are ready, you will come in the family.
02:38No, you are in the family, and the family will help you be ready.
02:42So no, no same, but all together.
02:47And in specifics, that means what?
02:49That you get to participate in European councils, access to single market gradually, more business, more money?
02:54Yeah, it means everything that is written, but around the table, not separated.
03:02So you're saying, as an irama, this no longer works for me.
03:06A summit a year, this no longer works for me.
03:09For me, it works even without this, because I represent Albania.
03:15We are fanatics.
03:17We are not like the others.
03:18We are the fanatics of the EU faith.
03:23There are no fanatics anymore around.
03:25We are the fanatics.
03:26So whatever it takes, however it goes, we remain rooted in the EU faith.
03:33Do you understand?
03:34So for us, there is no plan B, there is no alternative, there is nothing.
03:39The point is how to make it work in a world that is not anymore the world of some years
03:46ago.
03:48So European Union need to be united, united politically.
03:54Then the whole thing will follow.
03:57And how all these mechanisms are good.
03:59Are you willing, or ultimately this is your goal, to put in a date, to put specific numbers?
04:04Because again, for many, this is completely vague.
04:06What does this mean in terms of specifics?
04:08What are deliverables that you walk out of here and you say to Albanians, we accomplished something?
04:12First of all, what is to be saluted is that there is now a huge opening.
04:19Okay.
04:19So there is not anymore, no, no, no.
04:21It's open now.
04:22You perceive that?
04:23Now, of course, it's very open.
04:25And now it's about crafting it.
04:27But the question is, it will be crafted by them only.
04:33And we'll be still out or not.
04:36Let's take Serbia.
04:38Aleksandr Vucic can tell to the Serbs, I'll bring you to the EU.
04:43The Serbs will say you are a stupid person because they don't want us.
04:47If he tells to them, I am not going to bring you to the EU, then a lot of complications
04:54start.
04:54What I mean by that is that all around the Balkans, there are forces and there are third actors that
05:02are interested to push the narrative.
05:04It will never happen.
05:05They will not take you in.
05:07But the commission will say in the case of Serbia, it's not happening because of actions and decisions taken by
05:12the government.
05:13It's not external.
05:14I took it as an example.
05:15I'm saying that look at Moldova.
05:19You want Moldova?
05:20Okay.
05:20Maya Sandow is telling the Moldovans, come with me in Europe.
05:24It's not happening.
05:26The alternative is Russia.
05:27She resisted two elections.
05:28The third election, maybe she will not resist anymore because the Russians can say, hey, are you crazy?
05:34It will never happen.
05:35So, no.
05:36Look at Ukraine.
05:37Bring everyone around the table with the status they have each in this situation.
05:45Candidates negotiating.
05:47The process should be merit-based because it helps the countries to improve.
05:52The merit-based process is not just for Europe.
05:55It's first and foremost for us.
05:57Going through the merit-based process, we strengthen our institutions.
06:01We build democratic states in countries that have missed it for a long time.
06:06This is the drill.
06:07And what is the risk?
06:09You feel me?
06:10I feel you.
06:10I feel you very much.
06:11You're very energetic about this.
06:13But what is the risk if this doesn't happen?
06:16Because we hear there is a security need.
06:18What is the risk?
06:19That there's vinyls again in the Balkans?
06:20That there's interference from Russia?
06:22What is the risk?
06:22Listen, it's not about what is the risk in terms of...
06:26You talked about external forces.
06:27You talked about a negative message.
06:29What are the risks?
06:30It's not about the risk as something that will blow.
06:32It's about the corrosion of the trust in you and the watering down of the faith in this family.
06:46So it's something that needs to be addressed politically.
06:53And it's very important for you to close the political border and say, this is a family.
07:01You have no room here to spread lies and to fuel a hatred against you and to tell the people
07:11it will never happen because they don't want you and blah, blah, blah.
07:14The counterpoint from EU citizens would be, however, we need to make sure that they are also ready to the
07:20extent that we need them.
07:21And that means serious reforms on judiciary, separation of powers, freedom of the media.
07:26Nobody wants another Hungary.
07:27That is the point.
07:28Nothing changes.
07:30This is very clear.
07:31Nothing changes in that regard.
07:33So you cannot have the final day of negotiations if you are not fit.
07:39You cannot have the treaty if you are not fit.
07:42You cannot have the approval of all the member states if you are not fit.
07:46But until then, you are around the table.
07:49You are part of the European Union.
07:50You understand?
07:51And that would be called what?
07:52Associated membership?
07:53Close membership?
07:55That would be called nothing.
07:55That would be united European Union.
07:58It is all together around the table, the grandfather, the grandmother, the parents, the kids.
08:05But how do you call that because you are not an EU country?
08:07How would you call that?
08:08You have to switch it.
08:09We have to change this.
08:12We have to become part of the European Union family now.
08:18And then the rest will follow like the kids, like the youngsters have to step by step become a voice
08:30around the table.
08:32Have to have step by step part in the decision making of the family.
08:36But until then, they have to grow.
08:38They have to make the exams.
08:39They have to make everything.
08:40Are you encouraged by this Hungarian decision now on the cluster one?
08:45This is very technical again, but the symbol and the signal is that Ukraine will finally get moving.
08:51Moldova will also get moving.
08:52Does it change that Peter Magyar is at the table?
08:55I don't think this will be.
08:56It's good, but I don't think this will be enough for the Ukrainians.
09:00It will never be enough.
09:02I don't think it will be.
09:05It will be for Moldova, yes.
09:07Moldova should start.
09:08How do you interpret that in this paper from France and Berlin?
09:10They refer to the Balkans and Moldova, but not Ukraine.
09:14Is that the point that ultimately this country would be something else?
09:17I don't know.
09:17I think the best way, the simplest way, the sharpest and the boldest way is to say,
09:26guys, come around the table and we'll fix it step by step, year by year for each and every one
09:33of you.
09:33And in the meantime, look at the paper, you close the chapter, you get something.
09:39You close another chapter, you get something.
09:41But it's individual.
09:43It's not all of you in the same time.
09:45But all of you in the same time, we're together because it's politics.
09:48We are a political union.
09:49We have to talk about what we do with our common defense.
09:53We have to talk about what we do with our common foreign policy.
09:57We have to talk about how we keep balance our democracy.
10:01But that means full alignment with foreign policy with the EU.
10:04Serbia, for example, is not applying sanctions.
10:06That would be another issue.
10:07Again, where is the difference?
10:10Why is Serbia today around the table?
10:13Because it is a candidate country aiming to become part of the European Union.
10:18So it will not be a mistake.
10:22It will be a great advantage for both to have Serbia around the table all the way
10:27and then to tell Serbia around the table, hey, guys, it's not good.
10:31You have to align.
10:32But for them will be much easier to align if they will finally realize that they are part of the
10:41European Union
10:41and they have to grow up in the role and to be full, fully endorsed by everything that has to
10:50do with the European Union.
10:51The last time we spoke, you also made a point very clear that was controversial.
10:53You said to me this was a mistake that the EU is not talking and engaging directly with Russia.
10:59We need to engage with this diplomacy.
11:01Now it's happening.
11:02Do you feel validated?
11:03Where is it happening?
11:04Well, there is talk, as you know, now between the French, Germany and the UK that there could be now
11:08a sort of an word for the Russians.
11:10There's talk between them that could be a talk.
11:11Yeah, but we are still far away.
11:12But they have opened this debate about talking to Russia, which was an absolute no-go up until six months.
11:17Even the Ukrainian president says it's needed.
11:19Six months is an eternity in war because in six months people continue to be killed.
11:26But the Europeans have changed their mindset now.
11:28They now openly talk about there needs to be a form of communication.
11:32I hope they start to talk with Russia because talking to each other, they have never a problem.
11:38To talk about what, however?
11:39To start understanding each other how this war can be stopped in a way that does not...
11:47Some say that's a trap.
11:49Russia's an enemy to the European Union in Europe?
11:53Listen, I don't know what other name to put to a force that is killing people in another country every
12:01day.
12:02It has not been an enemy.
12:04It should not have become an enemy.
12:07And in this, there is a reflection to be made.
12:10But nowadays it's an enemy and should change.
12:15Now, talking to the enemy, making peace, working for peace every day is not about the other side.
12:22It's not about how much the other side want peace.
12:25It's not about how sincere is the other side.
12:29It's not about if the other side is criminal or is not.
12:32It is about who you are, right?
12:36So, I believe that every democratic country, every democratic soul should seek for peace no matter what.
12:45I'm going to ask you, of course, about Albania.
12:48Because over the past days we've seen this protest on this real estate project that allegedly Jared Kushner and Ivanka
12:54Trump want to carry through.
12:55Are you looking at this protest?
12:57Are you taking into account the backlash?
12:59What is actually happening?
13:01Albania is in a hybrid war.
13:04We are being assaulted.
13:08I saw it through media or through reading happening in other countries, in other circumstances.
13:17But now I'm seeing it in my country.
13:19By who?
13:20Different forces that brought in the day one when this war started, this hybrid war started.
13:29I'm not talking about the protest as a war.
13:30I'm talking about a hybrid war because the protests are part of it.
13:33But are part of it in the sense that who is engaged in this war is using the sentiments of
13:40some well-meaning people about environment.
13:43So, this is being weaponized as this real estate construction project?
13:46It's being weaponized big time, not as a real estate construction project.
13:49It's weaponized by the enemies of Albania and of Israel because there is a narrative in the whole thing that
14:01this is about a hidden deal between me and Bibi Netanyahu through Jared Kushner
14:07to bring the Palestinians in that part of Albania, which is a total fantasy.
14:13But guess what?
14:15In this world of manipulation through sentiments...
14:19But also say some talk about the environment, some talk about a massive island.
14:25It's about how deeply the use of social media for pushing false narratives can touch the sentiments.
14:40So, in the first day, imagine, we saw five times more users than the number of users that are the
14:56usual ones in the Albanian social media.
14:59So, you say these protests are being agitated by forces online?
15:02It's a lot of bots.
15:04It's a lot of fake profiles.
15:05It's a lot of attacks coming from all over.
15:08Now, this is one narrative because Albania has a very proud history of saving the Jews.
15:13Albania has a very proud position of never having had anti-Semitic sentiments.
15:18And there are enemies of Albania.
15:20They have names that want to fuel this among the Albanian Muslims that are incredibly tolerant, that are amazingly pro
15:30-European, that are citizens of Europe and have nothing to do with things.
15:34This is one.
15:34The other narrative that is mixed with that is the environment.
15:39And there are studies, very, very much clear, that how external forces have studies, I mean, not from Albania, from
15:50Sweden, from other countries in Europe, how external forces hostile to Europe, hostile to democracies, hostile to the enlargement, use
16:02environmental issues to fuel false narratives and to fuel protests.
16:07So that's also being weaponized in Europe.
16:09Third, weaponized.
16:09Third is, yes, there is a real thing, which is, is there an expression of interest to have a project?
16:18Yes.
16:18Is there a project?
16:20No.
16:20There is no project yet.
16:22The project is being worked by the investors.
16:25First, we have to see when the project will be presented.
16:29This is the reality.
16:30But are you, are you confident that you will get to a resolution that works first and foremost for the
16:36people of Albania?
16:37No, there is no resolution to, there is no resolution to get. There is a, there is a project to
16:42happen in terms of first being designed, being presented, being scrutinized and approved.
16:51And then there is a project to be built. There is no resolution.
16:55So if it works, it goes ahead. If it doesn't fit a purpose, it will not go ahead.
16:58Of course, but there is no chance that the progress in Albania and the projects in Albania will be defined
17:03by street protests.
17:04This is, this will never happen. Not under my watch.
17:08Because that would mean what?
17:09That would mean we have to discuss about reality, not about fake reality.
17:14If we have to discuss about a project, yes, we have to discuss about a project.
17:19Everyone is welcome to discuss about a project, but not about fantasies, about projects that do not exist yet, or
17:26about projects that are represented in the, in the social media by being engineered.
17:33And by the someone in love person in travel?
17:35No, no, no.
17:35There are a lot of images that have been, that have been spread in the social media of, of projects
17:43that are not related to the project of dying flamingos, of depressed turtles, and of all this.
17:53It doesn't exist.
17:54So we have to talk about reality when the project will be presented, of course, we'll show it and we'll
18:00show it proudly.
18:01And I'm sure it will be a project that will, will change a lot in how Europe understands, understands environments
18:10in general, because this is the aim.
18:12It's not the aim to take a piece of land to do speculation.
18:15The aim is to, to build the most exclusive and the most environmentally precious destination.
18:27But some people take issue with the exclusive too.
18:30Why?
18:31Because it becomes an elite on land that belongs to the Albanian people.
18:36The land, the land belongs to the investors.
18:39They have bought it from the privates.
18:41And that's, that's part of the issue.
18:43Number one, number two, we are not anymore in the bunker of Enver Hoxha isolated from the world.
18:50We are part of the world.
18:51Number three, exactly because this is investments come, countries change because one euro, it's, and it's not me saying it,
18:59one euro that enters in this exclusive, it's, it's 1.5 to 2 euros that enter in the inclusive.
19:09So in the country, in the community, and when I said exclusive, I said exclusive in terms of architecture.
19:17Top architects among the best in the world are engaged about landscaping, top landscape architects are engaged, top engineers are
19:26engaged.
19:27So it's not about doing something disruptive with nature.
19:30It's about creating a role model for how you develop and how you make nature better by bringing people in
19:41the nature.
19:42Well, Prime Minister, on that note, thank you so much for your time and thank you for joining us on
19:45Euro News.
19:45Thank you so much for joining us on Euro News.
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