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00:08Hallo und willkommen zu The Ring, Euronews' weekly debatet show,
00:12broadcasting from the European Parliament in Brussels.
00:16Ich bin Stefan Grobe.
00:17On The Ring, debaters gehen face-to-face
00:19on some of the biggest political issues facing Europe.
00:22Today, we want to talk about the latest from the war in Ukraine.
00:26What's the answer to Russian drone attacks?
00:29And what can European diplomacy achieve?
00:32Luis Albertos explains.
00:37As the war in Ukraine grinds into its fifth summer,
00:40a peaceful solution remains as elusive as ever.
00:44The same can be said about a clear European strategy.
00:48Nowhere is this more evident than in the European response
00:50to the ongoing violations of EU airspace by Russian drones.
00:56The latest incident in Romania last week
00:59yielded strong condemnation, but nothing more.
01:02This is frustrating especially the Baltic republics,
01:05who fear to be in the Russian crosshairs next.
01:09Is Europe just eager to avoid a more serious confrontation with Moscow?
01:13Are some European leaders concerned that they might jeopardize
01:16their potential role as mediators in this conflict?
01:19And is this even realistic,
01:20as Europe remains Ukraine's strongest political and economic backer?
01:29A lot to unpack here for our contenders.
01:32And here they are.
01:35Rasa Juknavicine, a Lithuanian MEP from the Central-Right European People's Party.
01:40She is the vice chair of the delegation to the Uranist Parliamentary Assembly
01:44and a member of the Committee of Foreign Affairs.
01:47One of the most outspoken voices on European security,
01:50she said,
01:50I do not believe in deals with Putin.
01:53Peace negotiations are possible,
01:55but only after a ceasefire.
01:57Merja Kulunen,
01:59a Finnish MEP from the left
02:01and a member of the Committee on Security and Defense.
02:04A former Finnish transport minister,
02:06she has been a vocal supporter of Ukraine
02:08and has called for frozen Russian assets
02:10to be made available to support the country.
02:13She has also warned against complacency towards Moscow.
02:16In some countries,
02:18there is still a naive attitude towards Russia,
02:20she said,
02:21arguing that Europe must take the Russian threat seriously.
02:27So let me welcome to the ring Rasa Juknavicine and Merja Kulunen.
02:32Great to have you here, both of you.
02:34Good to see you.
02:35Now, the aim of the ring is to offer our viewers a glimpse
02:39at European Parliament debates,
02:41so you should feel right at home.
02:44Are you ready?
02:45Yes.
02:45Good.
02:46Now, I want to start with that incident that happened last week.
02:50The Russian drone attack,
02:53the drone that crashed into an apartment building in Romania.
02:58After that,
02:59EU leaders portrayed it not as an isolated incident,
03:03but as evidence that Russia's war against Ukraine
03:06is increasingly spilling across borders.
03:09Now, what conclusion should Europe draw now?
03:13Merja, I start with you.
03:15Definitely condoms is not enough.
03:19We need to fix up our capability,
03:22security,
03:23secure our countries,
03:25our people,
03:25because scare,
03:27scariness is the biggest weapon
03:30which Rasa is using.
03:32And scariness,
03:34when it's going ahead,
03:36it makes us weak.
03:38And I think the drones,
03:44all the security which we can do with drone,
03:47we have speak about the drone wall,
03:49but we need more sensors,
03:52the new technology,
03:53and definitely use money wisely
03:56over the military budget also,
04:00because there's other operators
04:02which are dealing with these cases.
04:04And for example,
04:05I have learned it from my home country,
04:07Finland,
04:08that we haven't been able
04:10to activate the system
04:12in other parts
04:13than only the military side.
04:16And I think the civil societies
04:18are urgent in this case.
04:20Rasa, you're from Lithuania,
04:22a country that, as we heard,
04:24is always, you know,
04:26at the crosshairs of Russia,
04:28so everybody believes.
04:29When you hear this news
04:30after Romania,
04:32after the incursions
04:33in the Baltic states,
04:34in Poland,
04:35what is your take?
04:36My take is the same
04:38as it was in the very beginning
04:40when this war started,
04:41and not only in 2022,
04:43but in 2014.
04:46We were warning all the time,
04:49Europe, NATO,
04:51other many countries,
04:53that it's serious.
04:54It's not only regional war somewhere.
04:56And today, I think we are in a better situation
05:00as the European Union,
05:01as many NATO countries,
05:03because we have almost right diagnosis
05:06on the table.
05:07As medical doctor in the past,
05:09I have to say,
05:11and it's very important
05:13for politicians as well,
05:14first of all,
05:15to have the right diagnosis.
05:17Drones are only one piece
05:20of the whole picture,
05:22puzzle,
05:23which we have.
05:24So the picture,
05:25the whole picture is
05:26that Russia is
05:29colonial,
05:30imperialistic state,
05:32and they will not stop
05:33just with Ukraine,
05:35or only piece of Ukraine.
05:37So this diagnosis
05:39is not yet on agenda,
05:41on the table
05:42in many,
05:44in all the countries.
05:45So if we want to have
05:47a proper treatment
05:49against drones,
05:51I don't know,
05:51against everything,
05:52we have to understand
05:54that we have to help Ukraine
05:55to win this war,
05:57and not to be afraid
05:59to defeat Putin.
06:00It was mentioned fair
06:02in video,
06:03in this short video.
06:04No, we don't feel fair,
06:06because we,
06:07like Ukrainians,
06:08we would like to convince
06:09others not to be afraid
06:11to defeat this evil
06:13of 21st century.
06:14They want to make us weak,
06:17make us fight together,
06:18make us not trust
06:20to each other.
06:22That's the political game.
06:24That's the colonial
06:25kind of game also,
06:27what they are using.
06:29So NATO condemned this attack,
06:30but stopped short
06:31of treating it
06:35as an armed attack
06:36that could trigger
06:37Article 5,
06:39the famous self-defense,
06:41collective defense clause.
06:43Was this the right thing to do?
06:45Sort of condemning it,
06:47but also signaling
06:49that this,
06:50we don't think
06:51this is a,
06:52you know,
06:54a casus belli.
06:55I'm a little bit worried
06:57that we are waiting
06:58the big bang
06:59to happen,
07:00because Russia
07:02is testing us,
07:03and when it will happen
07:05that something bigger
07:07comes,
07:08either to Baltic countries,
07:10either to Finland
07:11or to Poland.
07:11I think we are
07:12the next targets.
07:14And the diplomacy
07:16and the condemn things,
07:19okay,
07:19it helps us a little bit,
07:21but actually,
07:23something which is
07:25much more than this
07:27is the power
07:28that we need to
07:31say it out loud,
07:33that we are not
07:34giving up.
07:36The Russians are saying,
07:37and obviously
07:38that apartment building
07:39in Romania
07:40was sort of
07:41a random target.
07:42The Russians are saying
07:43that it's actually
07:43the Ukraine's fault,
07:45because they're
07:45jamming the airwaves
07:46and that makes drones
07:47difficult to operate.
07:50What do you make
07:50of this argument?
07:51Look,
07:51it is not the case
07:53to start to look
07:55drone Ukrainian,
07:56Russian,
07:57or something else.
07:58Russia is responsible
07:59for this war.
08:01Russia is responsible
08:03for all drones
08:04in Ukraine,
08:07in our space,
08:07or Putin is responsible
08:09that people of Russia
08:11now is suffering
08:11because of Ukrainian response.
08:14They are defending themselves.
08:15So here,
08:17coming back to your question
08:19about NATO response,
08:21what is lacking,
08:23I think,
08:24to understand
08:25that we are strong enough
08:28to be able
08:29to help Ukraine to win
08:32and not to be afraid,
08:33and Putin has to get a message
08:37that we are strong
08:38and we are ready.
08:39Now, still,
08:41now the situation
08:42is a little bit better.
08:43But remember,
08:43in the very beginning
08:44of this large-scale war,
08:46what messages
08:46were sent to Putin?
08:49Oh, please,
08:50for us,
08:51for everybody,
08:52we are afraid
08:53of the World War III.
08:54Don't attack Russian targets
08:57deep in Russia.
08:58we don't,
09:00we will not provide
09:01leopards,
09:02we will not provide
09:03with long-range missiles.
09:06What was the message
09:07to Putin?
09:07The message was,
09:08we are afraid.
09:10So today,
09:11we have to say
09:12in a very clear way,
09:14we have enough resources
09:16to do everything the best
09:18to defend ourselves,
09:20including the targets
09:21in Russia.
09:22Don't be afraid
09:23for that,
09:25because if we are
09:26afraid of escalation,
09:27so Putin is opportunistic.
09:30Okay,
09:30so has our response
09:31been lukewarm
09:32so far?
09:35I think
09:36we as
09:38eastern borderline countries
09:40have a different
09:41side of this picture
09:43than, for example,
09:45in the central part
09:46of Europe.
09:47And that worries me a lot,
09:48because this is also
09:50a media war,
09:51because the information
09:52we give
09:53to other countries,
09:56information we give
09:57to Russia,
09:58the Russian people,
09:59I still can go
10:00to Spain
10:01or France
10:02and see in the telly
10:04the Russian news.
10:06And it shocks me,
10:08because it means
10:09that we don't
10:11act like we are
10:13all in war
10:15with Russia.
10:16Speaking about
10:17worry,
10:18so after this incident,
10:19Dmitry Medvedev,
10:22who you all know,
10:23the deputy chairman
10:24of the Russian
10:24Security Council,
10:25said this,
10:26and I quote,
10:27EU countries need
10:28to shut up
10:29on this matter.
10:30European states
10:30are direct participants
10:32in the war
10:33against Russia.
10:34This will continue
10:35to happen,
10:35and EU citizens
10:36will not be able
10:37to sleep peacefully.
10:40How worried
10:41should we be?
10:41So what?
10:43So what?
10:44We, of course,
10:45are at war
10:46helping Ukraine
10:47to win.
10:48Of course,
10:49we are at war
10:50because Russia
10:51is conducting
10:51already hybrid warfare
10:53in our member states.
10:55So we have
10:56to admit this
10:57and not to be afraid
10:58what Medvedev
10:59is saying.
11:00It's vice versa.
11:02Look,
11:02you mentioned
11:03Russia today
11:04or all those outlets
11:05in other
11:06European countries.
11:07Imagine if
11:09during the
11:10World War II
11:11Hitler propaganda
11:13would be
11:14broadcasted
11:15in countries
11:16they are fighting
11:17against Hitler.
11:19So today
11:20we have this
11:20totalitarian regime
11:22with the
11:23very concrete name
11:24Ruskiy Mir,
11:25Russian World.
11:26And this is
11:26exactly
11:27the same
11:28as it was
11:29maybe in
11:3121st century
11:32Hitler and Stalin
11:33together.
11:34So we have
11:34to admit
11:35all of us
11:35if we
11:36are fighting
11:37we have
11:38to fight.
11:39All right.
11:39Let me stop
11:40you here
11:41as we're
11:42just getting
11:43warmed up.
11:43It's time
11:44now for
11:45Gloves Off.
11:51Now we want
11:52viewers to get
11:53a real flavor
11:53of the European
11:54Parliament chamber
11:55where members
11:56ask each other
11:57questions.
11:57That means
11:58we want our
11:59debaters to
11:59challenge each
12:00other directly
12:01just as you do
12:02in the normal
12:03hemicycle.
12:04So let's get
12:04started.
12:05Rasa,
12:06let's
12:06start.
12:07My question
12:08is
12:08what is
12:09your assessment
12:10of Donald
12:10Trump's
12:11nearly year-long
12:13efforts to
12:13negotiate deals
12:14with Putin?
12:17I hate
12:18the situation
12:20that he is
12:21dealing
12:23over us.
12:25I got the
12:27feeling that
12:27we need
12:28stronger
12:29leadership
12:29in EU.
12:31I have
12:31said that
12:32if the
12:33bigger ones
12:33can't do
12:34do it,
12:35we as
12:35smaller EU
12:37countries
12:37should do
12:37that.
12:38I'm not
12:39saying that
12:40diplomacy
12:40is the
12:41case
12:41how we
12:42can solve
12:43all the
12:43problems,
12:44but we
12:46are partners
12:47with Ukraine
12:48and in
12:49any case,
12:50in every way,
12:51we can support
12:51Ukraine in
12:52this situation.
12:54It's
12:55urgently
12:55needed
12:56to be done.
12:57and
12:58I wouldn't
13:00let
13:00these
13:01two guys
13:02destroy
13:03our future
13:04and decide
13:06over Europe
13:06and over
13:07Ukraine.
13:08I'm sure
13:08we come to
13:09this point
13:09later,
13:10but now
13:10your question
13:11to Rasa.
13:13You have
13:13said that
13:14EU cannot
13:15be a
13:15neutral
13:16mediator.
13:17I agree.
13:18Europe
13:18is not
13:19neutral
13:20between
13:20an aggressor
13:21and victim,
13:22but if
13:23the US
13:23and Rasa
13:24talk about
13:25Europe's
13:26security
13:26architecture
13:27and
13:28Rasa
13:28drones
13:29are
13:29violating
13:30our
13:30airspace,
13:32who
13:33should
13:33speak
13:34for
13:35Europe
13:35with
13:36one
13:36clear
13:37mandate?
13:38Ukraine's
13:39sovereignty
13:39pressure
13:40on Rasa
13:41and
13:41protection
13:42of
13:43European
13:44citizens?
13:45Who
13:45could be?
13:46I don't
13:47believe
13:47in
13:48Putin's
13:49engagement
13:51to
13:51talk
13:52to
13:52start
13:54any
13:54negotiations.
13:55Today,
13:56we have
13:57quite
13:57different
13:58situation
13:58as it
13:59was
13:59one
13:59year
13:59ago.
14:00And I
14:01think
14:01Putin
14:02and he
14:03feels,
14:04I think
14:04at least
14:05his
14:05surroundings,
14:06they feel
14:07that they
14:07are not
14:08winning
14:08this war.
14:09Maybe not
14:10losing,
14:10but they
14:11are not
14:11winning
14:11this war.
14:12And they
14:13are really
14:13in
14:14very
14:14difficult
14:15situation.
14:16So that's
14:16why they
14:17are trying
14:17to escalate
14:18situation.
14:19It's
14:21dangerous,
14:22of course,
14:22we have
14:22to take it
14:23seriously,
14:24but
14:24nevertheless
14:25not to
14:26start
14:26negotiations
14:27about
14:28everything,
14:29about the
14:30future of
14:30Russia,
14:31about
14:31everything.
14:31We have
14:32to start
14:33to talk
14:33with him.
14:34First
14:35precondition
14:36is
14:36ceasefire.
14:37And
14:38then
14:38to start
14:39to talk
14:40about
14:40the
14:40peace,
14:41but not
14:42about
14:42everything.
14:43So
14:44today,
14:44what I
14:45am
14:45missing
14:45in
14:46those
14:46talks
14:47among
14:47European
14:47leaders
14:48to
14:48start
14:49or
14:49not
14:49to
14:49start
14:49negotiations,
14:51the
14:51content,
14:52the
14:52understanding.
14:53We
14:54just
14:54started
14:55our
14:55show,
14:56our
14:56conversation
14:58about
14:58the
14:58right
14:59diagnosis.
15:00So
15:00until
15:00we
15:00don't
15:01have
15:01this
15:01right
15:01diagnosis,
15:02what
15:02we
15:02would
15:03like
15:03to
15:03achieve,
15:04and
15:04that
15:04is
15:04the
15:05evil
15:05of
15:0521st
15:06century.
15:06So
15:07I
15:07can't
15:07imagine
15:08negotiations
15:09with
15:09Hitler
15:10in
15:121943
15:12or
15:1344.
15:14So
15:14for
15:14me
15:15it's
15:15exactly
15:15the
15:16same
15:16lesson
15:16of
15:17history.
15:17We
15:17have
15:18to
15:18learn.
15:19Okay.
15:20So
15:20well
15:21we've
15:21heard
15:21the
15:21views
15:22from
15:22our
15:22guests
15:23so
15:23far.
15:23Now
15:24it's
15:24time
15:24to
15:24hear
15:24from
15:25a
15:25new
15:25voice.
15:30For
15:31our
15:31quote
15:31of
15:31the
15:32week
15:32I
15:32would
15:32like
15:32to
15:32bring
15:32in
15:33Kaya
15:33Kalas
15:34the
15:34EU's
15:34chief
15:35diplomat
15:35at
15:36the
15:36latest
15:36EU
15:36summit
15:37in
15:37Cyprus
15:37she
15:37said
15:38this
15:39Russia
15:40wants
15:41us
15:41to
15:41discuss
15:41who
15:42talks
15:42to
15:43them
15:43and
15:43they
15:43are
15:43already
15:44picking
15:44who
15:45is
15:45suitable
15:45for
15:45that
15:46let's
15:46not
15:47walk
15:47into
15:48that
15:48trap
15:50are
15:51we
15:51walking
15:51into
15:51a
15:52trap
15:52here
15:52your
15:52comment
15:53yes
15:54we
15:55didn't
15:56make
15:56things
15:57like
15:57that
15:57that
15:58he
15:58can
15:58choose
15:59who
15:59is
16:00the
16:00operator
16:00so
16:01there
16:01are
16:01basically
16:02two
16:03schools
16:04of
16:04thought
16:05here
16:05one
16:05says
16:06people
16:06are
16:06dying
16:07in
16:07this
16:07conflict
16:07we
16:08need
16:08to
16:08put
16:08an
16:08end
16:08to
16:09this
16:09that's
16:09why
16:09we
16:10need
16:10to
16:10find
16:11a
16:11negotiated
16:12solution
16:13and
16:13the
16:13other
16:14position
16:14is
16:15it's
16:15Russia's
16:16war
16:16Russia
16:17is
16:17not
16:17interested
16:17in
16:17negotiations
16:18so
16:18we
16:18need
16:19to
16:19continue
16:19the
16:20fight
16:20until
16:21they
16:21withdraw
16:22or
16:23until
16:23they
16:23lost
16:24the
16:24war
16:24Rasa
16:25will you
16:25come
16:25down
16:26on
16:26this
16:26look
16:26it
16:27is
16:27not
16:27what
16:28we
16:28believe
16:28or
16:29not
16:29will
16:29happen
16:30it
16:30already
16:30happened
16:31one
16:32year
16:32of
16:32negotiations
16:33or
16:33attempts
16:34to make
16:35a deal
16:35with
16:35Putin
16:36from
16:37Washington
16:37DC
16:38failed
16:38you
16:39mean
16:39with
16:39the
16:39American
16:40land
16:40effort
16:40let's
16:41admit
16:41it
16:42it
16:42failed
16:42so
16:43is
16:44it
16:44something
16:44new
16:45it
16:46is
16:46somehow
16:47but also
16:48it
16:48cost a
16:49lot
16:50Ukrainian
16:50lives
16:51it
16:52cost a
16:52lot
16:53and
16:53we
16:54were
16:54very
16:54close
16:54to
16:55legitimization
16:56of
16:57Putin's
16:57regime
16:58if
16:58Putin
16:59would
17:00be
17:00clever
17:01enough
17:01to
17:01agree
17:02on
17:02those
17:04I
17:05would
17:05say
17:06to
17:07make
17:07the
17:07deal
17:08which
17:08was
17:08proposed
17:09it
17:10didn't
17:10happen
17:11I
17:11don't
17:11know
17:11what
17:11will
17:12happen
17:12in
17:12the
17:12future
17:12but
17:13now
17:13we
17:13have
17:14to
17:14strengthen
17:15our
17:16own
17:16defense
17:16we
17:17have
17:17to
17:17help
17:18Ukraine
17:18as
17:19much
17:19as
17:19possible
17:19today
17:20this
17:21is
17:21the
17:21main
17:21precondition
17:22for
17:23the
17:24future
17:24just
17:25peace
17:25in
17:25the
17:26future
17:26the
17:26only
17:27precondition
17:27would
17:27you
17:28say
17:29that
17:30we
17:31need
17:31to
17:32wait
17:32until
17:32the
17:33solution
17:33is
17:33found
17:34on
17:34the
17:34battlefield
17:35until
17:35Ukraine
17:36won
17:36the
17:37war
17:37and
17:37then
17:37we
17:38can
17:38talk
17:38and
17:38not
17:38earlier
17:39I
17:40think
17:40we
17:41need
17:41to
17:41definitely
17:42pressure
17:42Russia
17:43much
17:44more
17:44hard
17:45weapons
17:46than
17:46we
17:47are
17:47using
17:47now
17:48I
17:48mean
17:48the
17:50financial
17:50the
17:52market
17:53all
17:54the
17:54things
17:54we
17:55can
17:55do
17:55with
17:56the
17:56oil
17:56with
17:57systems
17:57we
17:58have
17:58the
17:59capability
18:00with
18:00EU
18:00have
18:01in
18:01others
18:02than
18:02only
18:03the
18:03military
18:04help
18:05to
18:05Ukraine
18:05but
18:06I
18:06think
18:06we
18:07need
18:07also
18:08support
18:09more
18:09Ukraine
18:10militarily
18:12you
18:12mean
18:12militarily
18:13yeah
18:13so all
18:14these
18:14top
18:14weapons
18:15that
18:15so far
18:16we
18:17haven't
18:17given
18:17them
18:17we
18:18should
18:18give
18:18them
18:18yes
18:19everything
18:20they
18:20need
18:20everything
18:21they
18:21need
18:21look
18:22I like
18:23this
18:24name
18:25what
18:25they
18:25how
18:26they
18:26call
18:26strikes
18:27deep
18:28to
18:28Russia
18:29they
18:29call
18:29it
18:30like
18:31long
18:32range
18:32range
18:33sanctions
18:34it
18:35works
18:36it
18:36works
18:37Russia
18:38has
18:38to
18:39feel
18:40they have
18:40to feel
18:41that they
18:41are
18:42at war
18:42Russians
18:43as well
18:44unfortunately
18:44and I have
18:46very many
18:46friends
18:47from Russian
18:48opposition
18:48I know
18:49how painful
18:50it is
18:51for all
18:51sides
18:52when war
18:52is going
18:53on
18:53but
18:53nevertheless
18:54no one
18:56war
18:56was one
18:57only
18:57defending
18:58yourself
19:00as a
19:01former
19:02minister
19:02of defense
19:03I have
19:03to say
19:03this
19:04it's
19:04reality
19:05it is
19:06like
19:07textbook
19:07of
19:08every
19:09war
19:09so
19:10when
19:10we
19:11were
19:11afraid
19:11to
19:12damage
19:12something
19:13inside
19:15Russia
19:15we were
19:16wrong
19:16we could
19:17win
19:17this war
19:18already
19:19together
19:19with
19:19Ukrainians
19:20or maybe
19:21help
19:22more
19:22Ukraine
19:22to win
19:23this war
19:23if
19:24end
19:25of
19:252022
19:26beginning
19:2723
19:27when
19:28Ukrainians
19:29pushed
19:29back
19:29Russians
19:30from
19:30Kherson
19:31and
19:31Kharkov
19:32that
19:33was
19:33a very
19:33good
19:34moment
19:34to
19:34provide
19:35Ukrainians
19:36with
19:36everything
19:36they
19:37needed
19:37we
19:38were
19:38afraid
19:38to
19:39do
19:39this
19:39we
19:39were
19:39afraid
19:40all
19:40right
19:40let's
19:41keep
19:42defense
19:42spending
19:42for
19:43another
19:44conversation
19:45in
19:45a moment
19:46and
19:46let's
19:46take
19:47a break
19:47now
19:48here
19:48on
19:48the
19:49ring
19:49we'll
19:49be
19:49back
19:49with
19:50more
19:50after
19:51this
19:51don't
19:52go
19:52away
20:01welcome
20:02back to
20:02the ring
20:03euronews's
20:03weekly
20:04debate
20:04show
20:04i'm
20:05stefan
20:05grob
20:05and i'm
20:06joined by
20:06rasa
20:07jugne
20:07vietjene
20:08from the
20:09european
20:09people's
20:09party
20:10from
20:10lithuania
20:10and
20:11merja
20:11kilonen
20:12from the
20:12left
20:13group
20:13from
20:13finland
20:14at this
20:15point
20:15let's
20:16take a
20:16look at
20:16european
20:17defense
20:17spending
20:18since the
20:18start
20:19of the
20:19war
20:19in
20:20ukraine
20:20eu
20:21defense
20:21spending
20:22went
20:22from
20:22more
20:23than
20:23200
20:23billion
20:24euros
20:24in
20:252021
20:25to
20:26almost
20:26350
20:27billion
20:27in
20:282024
20:29this
20:30represents
20:30an
20:31increase
20:31of
20:3160
20:32more
20:32than
20:3260
20:33percent
20:33defense
20:34spending
20:35reached
20:35almost
20:352
20:36percent
20:36of
20:36eu
20:36gdp
20:37in
20:372024
20:37up
20:38from
20:381.6
20:39percent
20:40in
20:402023
20:41now
20:4225
20:44of
20:44the
20:4527
20:46eu
20:46member
20:46states
20:46boosted
20:47defense
20:47spending
20:48in
20:482024
20:49now
20:49your
20:50comments
20:50hearing
20:51these
20:51figures
20:52merja
20:53i
20:54want
20:56more
20:56strategic
20:57thinking
20:58around
20:59eu
20:59using
21:01our
21:01defense
21:02money
21:03smartly
21:04what does
21:05that mean
21:05that means
21:06that
21:07we
21:08need
21:09to have
21:10common
21:10projects
21:11where
21:12we
21:12build
21:13up
21:13the
21:13security
21:14about
21:15air
21:17defense
21:18air
21:18security
21:20build
21:21up
21:22new
21:22resilient
21:23systems
21:24around
21:25EU
21:25because
21:26the
21:26common
21:27peace
21:29of
21:30our
21:30citizens
21:31is
21:31also
21:32the
21:32key
21:32to
21:32be
21:33prepared
21:33as
21:34our
21:35former
21:35president
21:36Sauli
21:37Niinist
21:37in
21:37his
21:38report
21:38tried
21:39to
21:39teach
21:40us
21:40so
21:41what worries
21:42me
21:42is that
21:42we
21:43don't
21:43have
21:44seen
21:45the
21:45whole
21:45picture
21:45i
21:46think
21:46we
21:47are
21:47well
21:48prepared
21:48with
21:49baltic
21:49country
21:50with
21:50poland
21:51the
21:51eastern
21:51borderline
21:52but
21:52how
21:53we
21:53can
21:53connect
21:53all
21:54the
21:54others
21:54to
21:55understand
21:55so
21:56is
21:56it
21:56more
21:56money
21:57or
21:57is
21:57it
21:58spending
21:58the
21:58money
21:59that
21:59we
21:59have
21:59in
22:00a
22:00better
22:00way
22:01more
22:01efficient
22:01way
22:02it's
22:02it's
22:02also
22:03more
22:04money
22:04but
22:05the
22:06key
22:06issue
22:06is
22:07using
22:07it
22:08smartly
22:08much
22:09more
22:09smartly
22:10and wisely
22:11than we
22:11have
22:11done
22:12before
22:12and
22:13using
22:13it
22:14also
22:14the
22:14new
22:15technology
22:15because
22:16what
22:17Ukrainians
22:18are
22:18saying
22:18to us
22:19we
22:20are
22:20acting
22:22like
22:23everything
22:23is
22:24like
22:24in
22:24the
22:25old
22:25years
22:25and
22:26things
22:26have
22:27changed
22:27and
22:28we
22:28have
22:29to
22:29change
22:29our
22:29thinking
22:30too
22:30Rasa
22:31your
22:31point
22:32of
22:32course
22:33increasing
22:34spending
22:35percentages
22:36are
22:37very
22:37important
22:37and
22:38here
22:39despite
22:39I
22:40have
22:41some
22:41criticism
22:42on
22:43Donald
22:43Trump
22:43but
22:44on
22:45this
22:45I
22:45have
22:45to
22:45admit
22:46that
22:46his
22:47push
22:47to
22:48Europeans
22:48to
22:49spend
22:49more
22:50was
22:50very
22:50positive
22:51message
22:52and
22:52very
22:52positive
22:53thing
22:53he
22:53did
22:53we
22:55in
22:55Lithuania
22:55now
22:56our
22:56spending
22:56for
22:57this
22:57year
22:57will
22:57be
22:585.38%
23:01so
23:02this
23:02is
23:03because
23:03we
23:03understand
23:04and
23:04people
23:04understand
23:05our
23:05reality
23:06but
23:07on
23:07the
23:07other
23:07hand
23:08I
23:08would
23:09say
23:09I
23:09will
23:10quote
23:10Andres
23:10Kubilius
23:11our
23:11commissioner
23:11for
23:12defense
23:12not
23:14fighting
23:14in the
23:15battlefield
23:16you know
23:17we have
23:17to have
23:18I will
23:18not
23:18repeat
23:19what
23:19you
23:19did
23:19mention
23:20all
23:21those
23:21common
23:21understanding
23:23so
23:23that's
23:24why
23:24me
23:25and
23:25many
23:25other
23:26more
23:27than
23:2750
23:27now
23:28members
23:28of
23:29European
23:29Parliament
23:29including
23:30you
23:30Maria
23:31we
23:32created
23:33informal
23:34group
23:35for
23:35defense
23:36European
23:36Defense
23:37Union
23:37and
23:38we
23:38would
23:38like
23:38to
23:39push
23:39especially
23:40member
23:40states
23:40to
23:41wake
23:41up
23:41yes
23:42I
23:43feel
23:43that
23:43some
23:44member
23:44member
23:46states
23:46they
23:46still
23:46live
23:47in
23:47the
23:47past
23:47as
23:48it
23:48was
23:49before
23:49you
23:49know
23:50as
23:50it
23:51is
23:51very
23:51famous
23:52quote
23:53of
23:55politologist
23:56Clark
23:56politicians
23:57think
23:58about
23:58next
23:59election
24:00statesmen
24:01think
24:01about
24:02next
24:02generation
24:03so
24:03now
24:04we
24:04have
24:04to
24:04be
24:04in
24:05one
24:05to
24:06think
24:06about
24:06next
24:07election
24:07of course
24:07it's
24:08important
24:08but
24:09to
24:09think
24:09more
24:10about
24:10you
24:10say
24:11there
24:11are
24:1150
24:11like-minded
24:13members
24:13of
24:13parliament
24:14with
24:15you
24:15on
24:16this
24:16but
24:16the
24:17parliament
24:17has
24:17700
24:18plus
24:19members
24:20where
24:20are
24:20the
24:20others
24:20here
24:21my
24:22question
24:22is
24:23is
24:23this
24:24a
24:25point
24:26where
24:26large
24:27majorities
24:28agree
24:28even
24:29in the
24:29public
24:30Maria
24:31the
24:32rearming
24:33of
24:34Europe
24:34I
24:35think
24:35we
24:36have
24:36just
24:37started
24:37because
24:38we
24:38realize
24:39that
24:39no
24:40the
24:41big
24:41part
24:42of
24:42us
24:43share
24:43the
24:43same
24:43view
24:44which
24:45is
24:46the
24:46situation
24:46in
24:47Europe
24:47or
24:48in
24:48white
24:48world
24:48and
24:49I
24:49think
24:50always
24:51there
24:52has
24:52been
24:53people
24:53who
24:54start
24:54the
24:55game
24:56and
24:57I
24:57think
24:5750
24:58is
24:58more
24:58than
24:59good
24:59because
24:59we
24:59have
25:00different
25:01countries
25:01different
25:02political
25:02background
25:03different
25:04history
25:04different
25:05political
25:05history
25:06and
25:06we
25:06can
25:07find
25:08colleagues
25:09from
25:09our
25:09countries
25:10from
25:11different
25:12kind
25:12of
25:12background
25:12and
25:13build
25:13up
25:14a
25:14common
25:15understanding
25:15around
25:16this
25:16I
25:17was
25:17surprised
25:18that
25:18we
25:18already
25:19have
25:19the
25:2050
25:20because
25:21there
25:21was
25:22lots
25:22of
25:23people
25:23who
25:23were
25:23saying
25:23that
25:24oh
25:24we
25:25just
25:25look
25:25and
25:26check
25:26out
25:26things
25:26I
25:27think
25:27we
25:28have
25:28made
25:28the
25:28wake
25:28up
25:29call
25:29now
25:29we
25:30have
25:30to
25:30continue
25:31all
25:32right
25:32well
25:32now
25:33it's
25:33time
25:33to
25:33move
25:33on
25:34to
25:34our
25:34fifth
25:34and
25:35final
25:35round
25:40and
25:40I
25:40want
25:41to
25:41do
25:41something
25:41different
25:41I'm
25:42going
25:42to
25:42ask
25:42you
25:43a
25:43set
25:43of
25:43questions
25:44and
25:44you
25:44can
25:45only
25:45answer
25:46with
25:46yes
25:47or
25:47no
25:48should
25:49Ukraine
25:50agree
25:50to
25:50a
25:51ceasefire
25:51even
25:51if
25:52Russia
25:52keeps
25:52some
25:53occupied
25:53territory
25:57no
25:58immediately
25:59I
26:00think
26:00it's
26:01up
26:01to
26:01Ukrainians
26:02to
26:02decide
26:02but
26:03I
26:03think
26:03yes
26:04yes
26:05but
26:05not
26:06you
26:07know
26:07to
26:08recognize
26:08not
26:09without
26:10recognition
26:10it's
26:10very
26:11important
26:11should
26:12European
26:12country
26:13send
26:13more
26:13weapons
26:14to
26:14Ukraine
26:14yes
26:15of
26:16course
26:16yes
26:17should
26:18Ukraine
26:18be
26:18allowed
26:19to
26:19strike
26:19targets
26:20deep
26:20inside
26:20Russia
26:21with
26:21western
26:22weapons
26:22yes
26:23yes
26:24have
26:26cheap
26:26drones
26:26made
26:27traditional
26:27military
26:28hardware
26:28less
26:29relevant
26:30no
26:31maybe
26:33not
26:33interesting
26:35should
26:36Ukraine
26:36join
26:37NATO
26:37before
26:38the war
26:39ends
26:41no
26:42I know
26:42that
26:43can't
26:43be
26:43possible
26:44yes
26:45with
26:46one
26:46additional
26:47sentence
26:48Ukraine
26:49today
26:49is
26:50acting
26:50as
26:51member
26:51of
26:51NATO
26:52they
26:52are
26:52defending
26:53NATO
26:54member
26:54states
26:55okay
26:55I have
26:55one
26:56more
26:56will
26:56this
26:57war
26:57still
26:57be
26:57ongoing
26:58in
26:58one
26:59year's
26:59time
27:01hope
27:02not
27:03I am
27:04afraid
27:04yes
27:05will
27:06all right
27:07and that
27:08final answer
27:08brings us
27:09to the end
27:09of this
27:10edition
27:10of the
27:10ring
27:11thanks
27:11again
27:12to
27:12Rasa
27:12Jugnavietschene
27:13and
27:14Merja
27:14Kilonen
27:15for a
27:16lively
27:16conversation
27:17here from
27:18the
27:18European
27:18Parliament
27:18thanks
27:19to our
27:19audience
27:20at
27:20home
27:20if
27:20you
27:21like
27:21you
27:21can
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