00:00I still feel the need to press him on why they must be so harsh.
00:05And he doesn't accept that many people who would support life in prison for the crimes that these men have
00:13committed
00:13would see having the lights on 24-7, never even dimming them,
00:19and having nothing at all to do in the cell, apart from the Bible, that's not remotely cruel.
00:29It's necessary to have the control.
00:34The pace suddenly quickens, and we're being hurried around.
00:38Perhaps asking about conditions here is pushing too far.
00:44But he can understand why it can be interpreted as something cruel, like this.
00:54Then, suddenly, we're asked to stop filming.
01:04I think I may have overstepped the mark.
01:07Are we done then?
01:10We're done.
01:11I think you need to talk to the producers here about that.
01:14Sorry, sorry.
01:14We're done?
01:15Yes, we're done.
01:16Yes, let's go.
01:19And now we've been told we must leave.
01:22We haven't come here to make a judgment.
01:25But I have to ask difficult questions, because if I ask soft questions, people at home go,
01:33Oh, he's not objective.
01:37It's clear the prison director thinks that I haven't grasped how effective his C-cop regime is
01:42as a deterrent to the gangs.
01:44And now we're headed on.
01:46easy for theabilidad of the country.
01:46You're right.
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