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00:01Sylvester McCoy is bidding adieu to Doctor Who.
00:06Right, we started.
00:07Oh.
00:09Well, Doctor, how are you, Doctor?
00:10I'm fine, Doctor.
00:11Good, Doctor.
00:12He's wonderful, he's marvellous, and he's the most fun to kill, I must say.
00:17I've never had so much fun killing anyone in my life.
00:20For me, it's just good fun.
00:22After six years, because I've done other things,
00:24to just pop back over and just have a laugh,
00:26and hand over the key to a mate, which is great.
00:31But I'd always said, because of my experience,
00:34you know, in the hand over stakes, that I would do it.
00:37I said, you know, because I thought, well, that's what I've got to do.
00:39I mean, I made that promise.
00:40And so when they approached me, I said, yeah, I'll do it.
00:43And I'm delighted in the way it's going on.
00:45I'm sad it's not being made in Britain,
00:48but there's still a British feel about it,
00:50and the BBC are involved,
00:52and, you know, there's always the possibility
00:54that it could maybe be dragged back to Britain.
00:57The producer is British.
01:00He's been out there for 20 years, but he was British,
01:02and the director's British.
01:03And I think they're, you know,
01:06they're kind of attuned to the sensibility
01:07of its format in Britain.
01:12Because after such a long time,
01:14I'd begun to think that, you know, that was it really.
01:16It was just going to, you know, kind of,
01:18with her on the vine.
01:20So in a way, this sudden upsurge in the interest in it,
01:24it's quite interesting, and I'm enjoying it.
01:27Because I, you know, I actually finished six years ago.
01:31And so this is like a little chance to do,
01:37as the producer said, eight minutes of the film.
01:50I'm delighted now to be back saying goodbye
01:54in this kind of rather grand way here in Vancouver,
01:57which is actually doubling for San Francisco.
02:00Here we are. This is my dressing room.
02:02Look, as you can see, the old doctor.
02:06Nothing personal.
02:07I decided on day one
02:09that this would be the best gel for Sylvester,
02:12because it brings out his natural curl.
02:16I got a natural curl.
02:18Oh, and the scars kept sort of coming up.
02:21So we kept saying...
02:22When the wind machine went,
02:23the scars flew away, and the hair stayed still?
02:25They weren't flying away, but they were just...
02:28We're semi-professional here.
02:31We're only semi-professional.
02:32That's exactly what happened to the scars.
02:33The scars flew away, and the hair stayed still.
02:37How's it been going?
02:38Wonderful.
02:39Yeah, the film looks terrific.
02:40That walk went right over after the shot.
02:49That allows for you, Sylvester.
02:51You're in this cold.
02:53The Arctic cold of Canada.
02:55All right, thank you.
02:55I know it's not the...
02:56It's a passing thing.
02:57It'll be over pretty soon.
02:59Yeah.
02:59They call me sir all the time.
03:01Yes, sir.
03:02You just come this way, sir.
03:03I think so.
03:04I can't get used to that.
03:05Respect.
03:06Maybe I will if I stay long enough.
03:07But I won't.
03:09The thing about it, they treat me with such respect, though.
03:12I mean, they treat me...
03:13They treat me so well.
03:14I've got my own little seat with my name on it.
03:16It's West MacKay, Doctor Who.
03:18And in all...
03:18I've got this dressing room, which has got everything.
03:22I mean, homeless family in Britain would think they'd landed in heaven.
03:25I mean, any family in Britain, queuing up for housing on the local council would think they'd landed in heaven.
03:33Well, this is me.
03:35This is the last Doctor Who costume I shall wear.
03:41Well...
03:43Well...
03:45They've got rid of the question mark pullover.
03:50I'm quite happy about that, really.
03:51Because I never really liked it before.
03:53I thought I was overstating it.
03:58But they also, they don't like the umbrella.
04:00I suppose I could have argued for it.
04:02But I'm only doing a little bit, so...
04:04I don't really mind.
04:09Luckily, I brought my own watch.
04:11It's got a watch chain.
04:12I don't know if I'll wear it in here.
04:15Or wear it here, as I used to do.
04:18Anyway, that's my costume.
04:20It's like a top posting.
04:22It's like, you know, being the ambassador to the US or something.
04:26You know, it's like getting a top job.
04:28Yeah.
04:28You know, the Biebs equivalent, you know, of all men overseas kind of thing.
04:35So, I mean, just, like, realising the size of the job.
04:40Quick, catch me on film.
04:41Don't go on now!
04:41Yes, yes, yes!
04:43You know what?
04:43Oh, my God!
04:44Unauthorized!
04:45The monsters that did it for me was the Yeti.
04:48And I was only thinking yesterday that...
04:51Because we were good little Catholic boys.
04:52I mean, we used to go to church maybe three or four times a week.
04:54And, you know, if it wasn't for, like, choir practice,
04:56it would be, you know, for the service proper.
04:59And, you know, in Catholic churches, you've got these sacred heart statues.
05:04Yeah.
05:05You know, they're all of a tradition where you get the figure of Jesus.
05:10And he's usually, you know, he's...
05:13Figures that, you know, it's holding back his gown or whatever.
05:16And there's the beating heart.
05:18And it might have, like, a crown of thorns fashioned round it.
05:21And it's always like a cartoon heart.
05:22And the top of it might be...
05:24They made a little Golgotha out of it and put a crucifix in the top.
05:27You know, it was all rich stuff.
05:29And I was only thinking...
05:31Remember the Yetis?
05:32What would happen with the Yeti?
05:34The chest had come apart and his heart had suddenly...
05:37You know, the golden ball would suddenly come...
05:38And we'd be sitting there going, you know...
05:40Jesus!
05:41Oh, Jesus!
05:42Oh, Jesus!
05:44What's attracted me to this particular script is the kind of...
05:49It's almost like the vampire flavour of it.
05:51You know, there's a kind of...
05:53The Time Lord, he's been around for centuries.
05:55He comes and goes.
05:56There's a kind of...
05:56There's a melancholy there.
05:57There's a bitterness almost there.
05:59There's an edge.
06:00There's a darker side.
06:01Desmond's actor.
06:02But there is a darker side of it.
06:03Yes, to my acting.
06:04Yes, to my acting.
06:06Desmond's actor.
06:08But, you know, there's...
06:10It's like...
06:10It just suggests something else.
06:15When, you know, the new Doctor Who came up...
06:18Last year, I think it was.
06:211995.
06:24And they asked if I would do the handover.
06:27I thought, yes, I would.
06:28Because I'd always agreed from the very beginning...
06:31That that's what I would do.
06:34I was quite looking forward to it, too.
06:36And it seems...
06:36I love travelling and coming over to America.
06:39Originally, I thought it was going to be made here.
06:41It's now in Canada.
06:45But I was looking forward to it already.
06:47But I didn't really expect much.
06:48I just thought, you know, I'd be a quick handover.
06:50You know, from...
06:53Under the titles.
06:55And it was.
06:57But then when I...
06:58You know, things take time.
07:00The script arrived.
07:01And then I had agreed I would do it.
07:02And they got very excited about the fact I was going to do it.
07:05And they rethought the opening a bit.
07:08And they upped what I was doing.
07:10So I saw that.
07:11And so I got very pleased.
07:12I thought, oh, there's a nice little kind of...
07:15Chunk for me to do.
07:17To establish myself before I say goodbye.
07:19Or to reestablish myself.
07:22Initially, I thought, nah, I can't.
07:24That's, you know...
07:25I mean, I'm not...
07:26That's not what I do.
07:27I can't be Doctor Who.
07:28I just haven't got the...
07:29I haven't got the thing, you know.
07:30I haven't got the...
07:31The skill.
07:33And so I turned it down, you know.
07:35I just said, nah, get somebody that can do it.
07:37And it would be interviewing.
07:39And so, erm...
07:41But over the months, you know, they would...
07:42They would, like, feed me bits and bobs of the script.
07:45And let me know, you know, how it was developing.
07:48Erm...
07:49Because this one really is...
07:51It's...
07:51Because it's under the aegis, really.
07:53Well, it's...
07:53It's American.
07:54It's North American.
07:55I mean, you know, it's the Beeb overseeing it.
07:57But it's meant...
07:59It's been intended that it, you know,
08:01breaks the thing in North America proper.
08:03I wonder how Paul McGann is actually going to be able to deal with...
08:09the world of Doctor Who.
08:12I mean, I'm no...
08:14I mean, with respect, you know, no indoor, scarf-wearing,
08:17home counties, eccentric...
08:19You know what I mean?
08:20That's not...
08:21Well, I couldn't do it.
08:22I couldn't do it.
08:23I couldn't...
08:24I couldn't even deadpan it, you know what I mean?
08:26I couldn't do it.
08:28Because, you know, like...
08:29I spend the first 20 minutes of the thing,
08:31once you've morphed into me,
08:33I don't know who I am,
08:34and I'm, like, wandering around this morgue in this hospital,
08:37going like who I am,
08:38and get to this...
08:40these lockers where these costumes are,
08:43because it's set in 1999 on New Year's Eve in San Francisco,
08:47so everybody's going out for a hoot that night
08:49and everybody's going to dress up.
08:51So we find this...
08:52But anyway, there's a scarf in one of them, you know,
08:54the scarf a la Tom Baker,
08:55which is quickly dispensed with.
08:59I guess it's going off in another direction,
09:01and quite what it is at the moment.
09:04We don't know.
09:04The thing is, at the moment,
09:05we're just doing this two-hour movie,
09:06so who knows if the thing does go to series,
09:09you know, what it's going to...
09:10I don't know what I'll end up doing, really.
09:12You know, it depends on, really, my...
09:14if I've got the bottle to, you know,
09:18just go with it.
09:20I've heard that, in the past,
09:22the traditional cohort sidekick for Doctor Who
09:27was sort of there to ask the obvious questions
09:30to what's happening, what do we do,
09:33what's happening next, how do we achieve this?
09:36And I think that, in this one,
09:39there's a little bit more of an equal kind of relationship
09:44after we have gone through the craziness
09:50of me thinking that he's insane
09:52and quick, get an ambulance,
09:54we need to get them in with the white coats.
09:56Is this the first Doctor Who kiss?
09:59I think it might be.
10:00It might be.
10:01A historic moment.
10:02So you see already we're at a fork in the road, aren't we?
10:05Yes, God.
10:05There's a little bit of a romance
10:06that I like to think is happening in Scranton.
10:11I don't know if they do,
10:12but I like to think it's there.
10:14I was thinking, you know,
10:16because yesterday we did the big changeover scene,
10:20filming that.
10:26That's what it was like a bit.
10:28I was lying fat like this,
10:30the camera went up to me,
10:31my body up to me face,
10:34and suddenly something dramatic happens,
10:36and Paul McGann appears.
10:38But he's not here today.
10:41He's working.
10:42OK, here we go.
10:43This is a rehearsal.
10:45They shoot up the TARDIS.
10:47It's just the beginning of my long journey into deadendom.
10:56I might not seem it,
10:57but I'm rather excited, really.
10:58I think it's been a very interesting day here.
11:04I was on the set of the inner sanctum of the TARDIS console room,
11:11which looks magnificent.
11:18The beginning I was kind of, I suppose,
11:23unsure what was going to happen.
11:25But now I'm sure it is happening,
11:29and it's a really good happening.
11:33It's been very good work.
11:37The director is great,
11:39and uses every which way to shoot the scenes.
11:45Very clever camera moves.
11:48I've got high hopes for it.
11:51I think it's gone fairly well.
11:53Yeah, definitely.
11:54We're halfway through the shooting now,
11:55and the dailies seem to be well received.
11:59The old notion of the old wobbly sets
12:04and endearing production values
12:08suddenly appears to be a thing of the past.
12:10I mean, this is like...
12:11You know, the sets that they've built here
12:13are magnificent, aren't they?
12:16Look, these are movie sets.
12:17Yeah.
12:18But the inside of the TARDIS is just stunning.
12:22It's real.
12:23Yeah, it's astonishing, you know.
12:25And it's like...
12:27And it's sumptuous, you know,
12:29and it goes on for miles.
12:31And it doesn't wobble.
12:33No, not a wobble inside.
12:35Not a wobble inside.
12:35Did you find that sad?
12:36I did, in a way.
12:38Although I was delighted...
12:40There was a switch.
12:41I threw this switch
12:42when the whole thing started to blow up.
12:44And a bit of the switch fell off.
12:46I thought, oh, that's good.
12:46I have to pretend it's still on.
12:48So, you know, I was totally...
12:49Yeah, you were at home.
12:49I had all the training.
12:50There was no need to cut there.
12:54Ultimately, everybody's just like
12:55a well-oiled machine.
12:56They know what they're doing.
12:58Very quiet.
12:59Very considerate.
13:01Polite.
13:04And I think they just have a lot of respect
13:05for what we're trying to do.
13:07LA, you know,
13:09it's sort of old hat.
13:10You know,
13:10everybody's been doing it for so long.
13:12It's...
13:12It's, um...
13:14It's a little bit of a different atmosphere.
13:18And we don't often get to work on 35mm,
13:20which is another...
13:22You know,
13:22that's another bonus for us.
13:25It's good practice,
13:26as much as anything else.
13:27You know,
13:28we...
13:29We're kind of weaned on 16mm.
13:31It's hell,
13:32and there is a difference, you know.
13:33So this is great,
13:34because it looks like a movie.
13:35Jeffrey will shoot it until we find it.
13:39And that's rare.
13:40We really get to do that.
13:42And so you leave,
13:43or you know when it feels good.
13:45You know, it just works.
13:47Try to do this slowly.
13:49We're still scrunching here.
13:50They have it stinted on detail and commitment.
13:54Even,
13:55I mean, the makeup thing.
13:56I've got a makeup lady
13:57and a hair lady
13:58and a wardrobe lady
14:00who, when I sit down,
14:01she comes and makes sure that...
14:02I mean,
14:03the detail is so precise
14:05and the hair is exactly so.
14:07And, you know,
14:08they figure...
14:09Which,
14:10in a way,
14:10I remember when I was doing Doctor Who,
14:12the one thing that really did bug me
14:13was the hair.
14:14Because sometimes your hair would bow right now,
14:16and other times, you know,
14:17because you were filming in some sandpit
14:19in the middle of,
14:20you know,
14:21a rainstorm,
14:21your hair would be,
14:22you know,
14:23and each shot,
14:24you had this hair that went up and down
14:26and in and out
14:26and was alive and dead.
14:28Ah, hello.
14:29How are you?
14:29Good morning, Sylvester.
14:30How are you?
14:30Good morning.
14:31How are you?
14:32How do you manage to keep these hours?
14:36I don't know how you do it.
14:38The concentration that you...
14:39I mean,
14:40that we've got to do,
14:41but the concentration you've got to do...
14:43I have brain surgery.
14:44We'll be open in a couple of weeks.
14:45Geoffrey Sachs, the director,
14:47he's great.
14:49I mean,
14:49he's highly skilled,
14:51practised at his art director, really.
14:55And he...
14:58What's really good about it also
15:00is that he gives it that English touch,
15:03that British sense of humour is in there
15:06all the way through.
15:07A lot of American series and all that
15:10are on the edge of pretentiousness a lot of the time.
15:13They take themselves far too seriously, I find.
15:16But he doesn't.
15:17I mean,
15:17and this is quite a serious script in a way,
15:20but he's managed to find light humour in it
15:22all the way through that lightens it
15:25and imbues it with a kind of...
15:30another dimension,
15:31you know,
15:31kind of more layers than you would have thought
15:34were in the script.
15:35That's very exciting.
15:37I almost feel out of place,
15:39because I'm not,
15:40you know what I mean?
15:40I'm not British.
15:41There's a whole rhythm
15:43to the British dialogue.
15:46Tit for tat,
15:47and it's fast,
15:48it's quick,
15:49and it's...
15:50quick little,
15:51subtle,
15:52and sometimes not so subtle.
15:53Oftentimes not subtle.
15:55But, um,
15:56it's really a wonderful experience for me,
16:00because,
16:01like I said,
16:02it's very communal,
16:03it's connected,
16:05and it's like a play.
16:06You know,
16:07you really get to work off each other,
16:09and, uh,
16:11and...
16:12I don't know,
16:12I find it very funny.
16:14I really...
16:14I do.
16:14I've always liked British humour.
16:16Given that it's...
16:17it's being pitched deliberately,
16:19it's, uh,
16:20that North America.
16:22I guess, you know,
16:23I mean,
16:23the remnants,
16:24I guess the point is,
16:25you know,
16:26the remnants of the,
16:27of the kind of quintessential
16:28Englishness,
16:29or Britishness of it,
16:30um,
16:31will probably have to remain
16:32in order to, you know,
16:33because they,
16:33they regard that as commercial,
16:35or something.
16:36Um,
16:37other than that,
16:37I mean,
16:38the character itself is,
16:39you know,
16:39it's almost like,
16:41the possibilities are just infinite.
16:43Yeah, that's fine.
16:44You know what I mean?
16:44You can really do anything,
16:45you can,
16:46it's go anywhere,
16:47be anything,
16:47do anything kind of character.
16:48And Paul,
16:49looks so,
16:51stunningly,
16:52British,
16:53I think,
16:54in it.
16:55It,
16:55and it,
16:55will have that wonderful incongruity,
16:57of,
16:58being so British,
16:59set in,
17:00you know,
17:00San Francisco,
17:01in America.
17:02I mean,
17:03I think that's quite fun.
17:04You have the police box on the,
17:06you know,
17:07the streets of San Francisco,
17:08and suddenly there's the,
17:10screaming roar of the,
17:11American cop cars going by.
17:13You know,
17:13that's really good.
17:15I get to use my brain,
17:17and,
17:18um,
17:18I get to be around really clever people.
17:21And,
17:22I'm involved in a show that has guts.
17:25You know,
17:26I mean,
17:26it really has guts.
17:28It's very courageous,
17:29what they do.
17:30And,
17:31uh,
17:33and there's a lack of that,
17:34I think.
17:35It's clever,
17:36you know,
17:36it makes people,
17:38really take off,
17:39and use their imaginations.
17:40And I,
17:41I really enjoy that.
17:42The situation is,
17:44with this,
17:44we're doing a movie,
17:45a TV movie,
17:46and,
17:47I mean,
17:48putatively,
17:48it's a pilot,
17:49it might go to,
17:51to series.
17:52But the fact is,
17:52that the people that run the series,
17:54they're in other departments altogether.
17:56Um,
17:57you know,
17:57like you might have at the BBC,
17:58you know,
17:58the BBC itself,
18:00and then you get worldwide,
18:01which is a separate entity.
18:03Self-funded and everything else.
18:04Same here.
18:05Different people,
18:06you know,
18:06so,
18:07who knows?
18:08I mean,
18:08if it was all,
18:09if it was all under the same roof,
18:10then probably they'd know by now,
18:12you know,
18:13that it was going to go,
18:14and things would be a lot clearer.
18:16Um,
18:16what's going to be,
18:17what's going to be happening 12 months from now?
18:19I don't know.
18:19Who knows?
18:20It might not go at all.
18:22But,
18:22you know,
18:22the chances are dead against it,
18:23in fact.
18:25Just,
18:25you know,
18:26the usual,
18:26I mean,
18:27you know,
18:28the usual percentage of things that,
18:30you know,
18:31get,
18:31you know,
18:31it is a pilot,
18:33gets made,
18:33there's,
18:34you know,
18:35its chances are slim, really.
18:37I want it to go.
18:38I definitely want the show to go.
18:39I'll be watching.
18:40And if I get to come,
18:41that would be terrific.
18:42But,
18:43at this point,
18:45you know,
18:45he goes off in the TARDIS
18:46and leaves me behind.
18:50But,
18:51we'll see.
18:53I'll be on my hands and knees saying,
18:54please,
18:55make him come back and visit sometimes.
18:57I'll be there.
18:59I'd love to do it.
19:00No,
19:00it would be a wonderful experience.
19:02If this just stops here,
19:04how do you feel about being the George Lazenby of Doctor Who?
19:07Quite happy.
19:09Quite happy.
19:10Thank you very much.
19:11Yeah,
19:11the George Lazenby.
19:13Yeah.
19:13Yeah.
19:15Like I say,
19:16it's,
19:17it's here and,
19:17it's here and now,
19:18you know,
19:19and I'm,
19:20you know,
19:20I'm having a laugh here.
19:21This is,
19:21this is,
19:22this is okay so far,
19:24you know.
19:24The thing is,
19:24you know,
19:24it's,
19:26it must be said,
19:27you know,
19:27the characters,
19:28I mean,
19:29production was,
19:29it's got its,
19:30these inherent advantages in it,
19:32you know.
19:33You can quickly interchange one for another,
19:36so,
19:37like I say,
19:38you don't,
19:38who knows what's gonna happen,
19:40you know,
19:40but it wouldn't,
19:41wouldn't bother me in this life,
19:42you know.
19:44I mean,
19:44like I say,
19:44what would bother me more than anything is to,
19:47is to be stuck in something.
19:49I bet my heart wasn't in,
19:50because,
19:51it would just be.
19:52But you're enjoying this.
19:53Foolish,
19:54yeah.
19:55Yeah.
19:55Yeah.
19:56Yeah.
19:57It's a crack.
19:58Thus far,
19:59so,
20:00long may it continue.
20:04I have a feeling,
20:06from the few days I've had on it,
20:07that,
20:07it's been treated with the,
20:10with the kind of,
20:12respect and depth,
20:13that,
20:14people would want.
20:15I hope it will be like that.
20:17It's very difficult to tell anyway,
20:19whenever,
20:19you're in something,
20:22what it will look like,
20:23eventually,
20:24on the screen,
20:24because it's got,
20:25quite a long journey to go,
20:26from where you're filming,
20:28to when,
20:29you're sitting down,
20:30watching it,
20:31in the comfort of your own home.
20:32And on that journey,
20:33lots of things can get lost.
20:35But,
20:37just this little opening,
20:38of the journey,
20:39gives me a feeling,
20:39that it might be,
20:40quite exciting.
20:42They might have some of that,
20:45expertise,
20:46that they have over here,
20:48for making very,
20:48kind of slick,
20:51telly.
20:52The lighting is,
20:52I've noticed,
20:53is very good.
20:53Some of the camera work,
20:54we've done already,
20:55is quite exciting.
20:56Even just of my big toe.
20:58They actually had me on this,
20:59wheeling me around,
21:00on this trolley,
21:01and they had a camera attached,
21:02looking through my toes,
21:03on,
21:04you know,
21:04past me,
21:05to the journey,
21:06of where I was going,
21:07and the other,
21:07you know,
21:08and so that,
21:08that seemed,
21:09you know,
21:09quite good.
21:11They're putting a bit of money,
21:12into it too,
21:12so that's,
21:14hopefully,
21:15will be good.
21:15But,
21:15I feel it's,
21:16they're not putting too much in,
21:18in American terms.
21:19so that,
21:20that control,
21:21it won't go,
21:22it won't run away with itself.
21:23Hopefully.
21:26What?
21:27Well,
21:28here I am,
21:29on my last day,
21:30my last day,
21:31on this little journey.
21:33I'm no longer Doctor Who,
21:35officially.
21:35I was yesterday.
21:36I, um,
21:38I was Doctor Who,
21:38when I got shot,
21:39outside the TARDIS,
21:40in Chinatown.
21:42But here I am,
21:42today,
21:43up a mountain,
21:44Mount Grouse,
21:45in Vancouver.
21:47One of the things,
21:47I love doing,
21:48is travelling.
21:49And so that's another reason,
21:50why,
21:50I'm very thankful,
21:52to Doctor Who.
21:55It's great,
21:55that he's got,
21:56now got a new,
21:57new producer.
22:00Philip,
22:01Siegel,
22:01who's completely involved,
22:03with it,
22:03you know.
22:04He's, um,
22:05he's in love,
22:06with the project.
22:07And,
22:09that's what it needed.
22:11Really.
22:12Um,
22:13and it's got it.
22:14So,
22:15I,
22:15I'm very optimistic.
22:16I mean,
22:17the thing is that,
22:18coming here,
22:20it's,
22:21it's still,
22:22supported very much,
22:23by British interests.
22:24The British director,
22:25the British writer,
22:27the,
22:27um,
22:28the producers of British.
22:31The,
22:31funnily enough,
22:32the head of the department of Fox Television is British,
22:36I learned the other night.
22:37And so they're all committed to Doctor Who,
22:39as a British,
22:42you know,
22:42with its British roots.
22:45And,
22:46obviously,
22:47if,
22:47you want to carry on,
22:49and,
22:51take on,
22:52to become a Doctor Who,
22:53for the,
22:54you know,
22:55the end of the,
22:55the 20th century,
22:57and the beginning of the,
22:5921st,
22:59er,
23:00you, er,
23:01you have to come,
23:03or go further afield.
23:05Well Doctor,
23:06nice meeting you Doctor.
23:08Yes,
23:09see you in,
23:09see you in some other relative dimension.
23:11Yes,
23:12or with some other relative.
23:13With some other relative.
23:14It's all relative.
23:15It is.
23:16I,
23:16I got the best,
23:18the best,
23:19the best,
23:22exit,
23:22of all the Doctors really.
23:24It's a better way to go now,
23:25because I haven't done it for years.
23:26I don't feel any regrets,
23:27or any,
23:28bitterness,
23:29or any,
23:30sadness about it in a way.
23:32I just think it's been,
23:32great fun to come back,
23:34and,
23:34put on,
23:35you know,
23:36the silly hat again,
23:37and,
23:38wander around the TARDIS,
23:40and just have a little,
23:41fun,
23:42doing it,
23:43and,
23:43er,
23:44and,
23:45going out in such,
23:46such a spectacular,
23:47and in such a,
23:49spectacular place.
23:50Yeah,
23:51it's great.
23:52It's great.