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What does Teen Tal's Tau think about the Cockroach Janta Party?
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00:00Can you do vote for the Cockroach Janta Party?
00:02When the time is right.
00:03No, when the time is right.
00:04I don't care whether Aham Ahami Party is financing it or not.
00:07I see it going away in 15 days.
00:11I don't know.
00:11I hope that Abhijit Dipke continues this.
00:14Welcome to Moo Conversations yet again.
00:16We are sitting next to Tao of Tien Tal.
00:19And we are going to talk today about a rather interesting experiment in satire.
00:24And when talking about satire, who is better than Tao himself, the master, the monarch of all satire.
00:31Tao, what do you make of Cockroach Janta Party?
00:33Do you think it's just a fad or do you think that it's a symptom of something deeper, something larger?
00:42It is too early actually to declare it a fad or a symptom.
00:48Because the symptom also has to last for some days for you to go to the doctor or go for
00:54investigations.
00:55It was in response to the CJI, the Chief Justice of India calling the youth who are irritable and irritating
01:05Cockroaches.
01:07It's a very smart take to name an online protest movement or initiative.
01:23The Cockroach Janata Party.
01:27Because it plays not on the CJI, it is not from CJI, but it is from Chwapro Janata.
01:34And it plays on the BJP's name.
01:41So, it is sort of an initiative against the BJP, especially in the wake of recent elections.
01:51You know, there is, and recent elections outside India, which is Nepal.
02:00Oh, that's interesting.
02:01Yes.
02:02Okay.
02:02I was thinking more about Bengal and Assam.
02:04So, this is in response to the defeat, the victory of BJP in Bengal mostly,
02:10and the victory of a Jainzi revolution in Bangladesh and Nepal.
02:17The Indian Jainzi are somehow not getting stirred by what is called the dismal state of youth in employment,
02:32the future of India, the troubles in the economy, and all that.
02:41They have the opposition to the BJP, because BJP is winning and it's ruling large parts of the country as
02:49state governments,
02:50and the center for almost, what, 12 years.
02:56So, this is another attempt by, I think, an Aam Admi Party activist, who is now…
03:05FOMA, FOMA Aam Admi Party is what…
03:06How do you call him FOMA?
03:10So, his sympathies still lie with the party and that ideology is what you're saying?
03:14He worked for the Aam Admi Party and then there was nothing here.
03:17I think he went for looking for some opportunities in the US.
03:21He lives in Boston.
03:24And he created this Instagram account on other platforms and has amassed a lot of followers,
03:35including some people like Kirti Aajad, Prashant Bhushan.
03:40Apparently, they use the term that they have joined the Kokroth Janata Party.
03:44You have to leave TMC to join the Kokroth Janata Party.
03:47And he…
03:49Kirti Aajad actually is the best fit for the president of this party.
03:54Yeah.
03:54Someone who has been wrestling for relevance for…
04:00For quite some time.
04:01For more than a decade, I think.
04:02More than a decade.
04:03Yes.
04:04He's also…
04:05His father was a chief minister.
04:07You know.
04:08And he's not getting that kind of importance.
04:11So…
04:12Although characters like him and Prashant Bhushan joining the so-called…
04:15this Kokroth thing is more of a distraction.
04:18I'm more interested in knowing is there…
04:20Is this like a symptom or something?
04:22Like for…
04:23You talked about how it could dent the BJP in a minor way perhaps.
04:28But…
04:28But…
04:28This also tells us…
04:30You know how…
04:32The anti-BJP forces…
04:34For lack of a better expression…
04:36They've been struggling to quellisk and come together.
04:39Now whether it is in the form of the Indy Alliance etc.
04:42But…
04:43But…
04:43Even in popular culture, right?
04:44Like if anybody is opposed to the BJP…
04:47It's pretty cool in certain quarters to…
04:49To not sort of vote for the BJP.
04:51Not…
04:52Not…
04:53You know agree with what BJP stands for.
04:56But…
04:56Anything BJP.
04:57Largely I think it's anything Modi.
04:59Right.
05:00And…
05:01Because…
05:01If you don't say they are fascists…
05:04Right.
05:05You are not cool.
05:06Exactly.
05:06So for that segment…
05:08The fact that the BJP wins election after election…
05:10Is almost like…
05:13A rejection…
05:14That they face every time…
05:16There is an election of any importance…
05:17Anywhere in the country…
05:19And BJP seems to trump every other political party.
05:21So for that quarter that is…
05:23Virulently anti-BJP…
05:26It has been trying to find a platform…
05:28That gives them sort of…
05:29Some sort of credence…
05:30Some sort of relevance…
05:31Some…
05:31Some sort of oomph…
05:33For lack of a better expression…
05:34You know.
05:35So I think…
05:35So this kind of…
05:36This platform has brought together all those people…
05:39And…
05:40The people who are on Twitter…
05:41Who are batting for this experiment…
05:44Are…
05:45Are…
05:45Like…
05:46Almost…
05:46You can almost predict…
05:47Who is going to…
05:47Be on this bandwagon…
05:49But…
05:50Does it also tell you about…
05:51The fact that…
05:52There are certain…
05:54Genuinely…
05:55Affected…
05:55People in the country…
05:56For example…
05:57Who…
05:57Who are seriously…
05:58You know…
05:59When…
05:59When a need paper gets leaked…
06:00Etc…
06:01So there is…
06:02There is some serious discontent…
06:03Among…
06:04A large section of Indians…
06:06And…
06:06That also has now…
06:08Sort of trickled into this…
06:09Do you think…
06:10Is there a…
06:10Is this symptom of some kind…
06:12That…
06:12The government of the day…
06:14No matter…
06:15It just…
06:15BJP happens to be the party…
06:17That is running the country…
06:18But…
06:19But…
06:19Does the government of the day…
06:21Need to learn some lessons…
06:22From what…
06:22What's going on…
06:23The points…
06:24The…
06:25You know…
06:26The things that are getting expressed…
06:27In the name of…
06:29This…
06:29So-called party…
06:31The timing is…
06:33Very interesting…
06:34This also…
06:36Comes…
06:36Soon after…
06:38In the…
06:38Really…
06:39In the wake of…
06:41Vijay's win…
06:43In Tamil Nadia…
06:44His campaign…
06:45Was largely…
06:46Driven…
06:46By social media…
06:48His campaign…
06:49Was…
06:50Largely…
06:52Focused…
06:53On…
06:54The youth…
06:55Who…
06:56Have…
06:56Either seen…
06:57ADMK…
06:58Or…
06:58TMK…
07:00They did not need…
07:02Any description…
07:03Of policy…
07:04Of the roadmap…
07:05They were just…
07:06Itching for change…
07:08Change…
07:08You know…
07:09A…
07:0940-year-old…
07:11Gujarati…
07:12Has not seen…
07:13Any other party…
07:15In his state…
07:17He has seen…
07:17Only BJP…
07:20Same…
07:21Is true…
07:22For…
07:22Madhya Pradesh…
07:23Or…
07:24Bihar…
07:26You know…
07:26Nitish Kumar…
07:27Now…
07:27He is no longer…
07:28In there…
07:30So…
07:31The desire…
07:32For change…
07:33Exists…
07:34Everywhere…
07:34Among…
07:34The youth…
07:36But…
07:37It is also…
07:39True…
07:40That…
07:42In…
07:42The Indian youth…
07:43Can be divided…
07:46Like…
07:47Any other…
07:47Society…
07:48You can even…
07:49I don't know…
07:49Whether this is…
07:50Controversial…
07:51But…
07:51Maybe…
07:52You know…
07:53There is a…
07:54Post…
07:54Babri…
07:55Generation…
07:56That is what…
07:57In their…
07:58Mid-30s…
07:58Now…
08:00So…
08:00The political axis of the country…
08:02Sort of shifted…
08:03You know…
08:03Due to that event…
08:05And now…
08:05That…
08:05That generation…
08:07Now…
08:07Whether you want to call it…
08:08Gen Z…
08:08Or…
08:08You want to call it…
08:24Post…
08:24Mr. Modi…
08:25Is running…
08:25His affairs…
08:26Also…
08:27We have to remember…
08:27You talked about…
08:28Chennai…
08:29And…
08:29And…
08:30And…
08:30Vijay…
08:31We also have to…
08:32Be cognizant of the fact…
08:33That…
08:34There is an economic crisis…
08:35Blooming…
08:35Right…
08:35So…
08:36All the opposition forces…
08:37Are also sort of itching to…
08:39Sort of…
08:40You know…
08:40Hoping that…
08:40This is that moment…
08:41When they are able to…
08:44Pin the government down…
08:45For good…
08:47Because nothing…
08:47Otherwise…
08:48A lot of…
08:49Most experts call…
08:50Modi…
08:51Having this Teflon exterior…
08:53Where nothing sticks…
08:54Right…
08:54So…
08:54Maybe they are also itching…
08:57To…
08:57Maybe thinking that…
08:59This is that moment…
09:00When…
09:00Finally…
09:01They are able to corner…
09:02The Modi government…
09:03On something really concrete…
09:04And people…
09:05Join them…
09:06See…
09:07It's a fun experiment…
09:09It's satire…
09:10And…
09:11It's satire…
09:12With a purpose…
09:13I don't care…
09:14Whether…
09:14Aham Amni Party…
09:15Is financing it or not…
09:16But…
09:17It's a…
09:17It's funny…
09:19They are…
09:20Trying to…
09:21They have seen…
09:22That…
09:22You know…
09:22All kinds of attacks…
09:23On the government…
09:24Direct attacks…
09:24Have not worked…
09:25So much…
09:26And…
09:27There is a…
09:28Anti-Modi…
09:29Anti-BJP…
09:32Argument…
09:34That needs amplification…
09:36This is a platform…
09:38That will…
09:39Do that…
09:40Now…
09:41The timing…
09:43Is…
09:44Quite suitable…
09:45For them…
09:45The world…
09:46Is going through…
09:47A crisis…
09:48Indian economy…
09:49Is in serious trouble…
09:51You know…
09:52Because of…
09:53Fuel shortage…
09:54Energy shortage…
09:56Youth…
09:56Unemployment…
09:57Has been a problem…
09:59It's not new…
10:00Has been a problem…
10:01For quite some time…
10:02Inflation…
10:03Will go up…
10:04Things will get more expensive…
10:06And…
10:08The youth…
10:09Will start demanding answers…
10:13But…
10:14Come election…
10:16So…
10:16I want this…
10:17To survive…
10:17For about…
10:18What…
10:19Say…
10:19Three months…
10:20Maybe…
10:20Right…
10:21I see…
10:21It…
10:22Going away…
10:23In 15 days…
10:25But…
10:25If it survives…
10:26For…
10:27Three months…
10:28Four months…
10:32We are through…
10:34Then…
10:34You can see that…
10:35You know…
10:36Something can be made out of it…
10:37I'm not…
10:38I mean…
10:39It's…
10:39It's a satirical…
10:41Take…
10:42For…
10:42Instagram handle…
10:44Or…
10:44Twitter handle…
10:45But…
10:45This…
10:45The mass…
10:47That it gathers…
10:48Can be shifted…
10:49To a real political movement…
10:51If people have…
10:52People with those skills…
10:54Also…
10:55You know…
10:55I'm…
10:55Just going through…
10:56The manifesto…
10:56So-called manifesto…
10:57It's a very short…
10:58Five-point…
11:02Document…
11:03If I can call it that…
11:04And…
11:04It sort of gives you clues…
11:06As to…
11:07You know…
11:08The…
11:08Proclivities of the people…
11:09Who would have come up with this…
11:10Which is basically…
11:11For example…
11:12Of course…
11:13It starts with…
11:14If the CJP comes in power…
11:16No Chief Justice shall be granted…
11:18Rajasabha's seat…
11:19But…
11:20Because the name…
11:21Cockroach itself…
11:21Is derived from…
11:23The Chief Justice…
11:24So…
11:25So…
11:25So…
11:25So…
11:25That's all right…
11:26Number two is…
11:27If any…
11:27He by the way…
11:28Denied it or something…
11:29He did…
11:29He said…
11:30He said out of clarification…
11:31We'll put that clarification out on screen as well…
11:33The second point in the manifesto says…
11:35If any legit vote is deleted…
11:37Whether in a CJP or opposition rule state…
11:40The CEC…
11:40Which is the Chief Election Commissioner…
11:42Shall be arrested under UAPA…
11:43Again…
11:44This is…
11:45Classic…
11:46A classic…
11:47Died in the wool…
11:49Congress…
11:49AARP…
11:50Complaint…
11:51Against the BJP…
11:53Right…
11:53Then…
11:54Number three says…
11:55Women shall receive 50% reservation…
11:57Not 33%…
11:57Without increasing the strength of parliament…
12:00Again…
12:01Reeks of…
12:03Stuff that…
12:03You would hear…
12:05People from the Congress or the ARP…
12:07To take up…
12:09Additionally…
12:0950% of all cabinet positions…
12:11Shall be reserved for women…
12:13Alright…
12:14Number four is interesting…
12:15All media houses…
12:16Owned Bambani and Adani…
12:17Shall have their licenses cancelled…
12:18To make way for truly independent media…
12:20Bank accounts…
12:21Of both media anchors…
12:23Shall be investigated…
12:26What do you make of that?
12:27These are all…
12:28Popular…
12:29Social media…
12:31Rhetorical…
12:31You know…
12:33What do you mean?
12:34Memes…
12:35Yeah…
12:36Going on…
12:39In the…
12:40This social media sphere…
12:41For quite some time…
12:43Somebody…
12:43These are the pet thieves…
12:44When you do not have an argument…
12:46You can throw these…
12:47Right…
12:47So…
12:47I don't…
12:48I mean…
12:49It's funny though…
12:50It's funny…
12:51Also…
12:51It's a political party's manifest…
12:54Also…
12:54It sounds like…
12:55It's been written by somebody…
12:56Who's lived in the Rahul Gandhi eco-chamber…
12:58For more than a decade…
13:00And…
13:01Was never heard by Rahul Gandhi…
13:02Because Rahul Gandhi…
13:03Does not give the time of day…
13:04To most people…
13:05And he just thought that…
13:07You know…
13:07Let me try this out…
13:09An experiment…
13:11I don't know…
13:12I hope that…
13:13Abhijit Dipke…
13:14Is that his name…
13:17Right…
13:18Continues this…
13:19In other forms…
13:21This will be fun…
13:22You know…
13:23If…
13:23Tomorrow…
13:24The Pokroj Janata Party…
13:26Says…
13:27That…
13:27Come to Janatar Mantar…
13:29In large numbers…
13:32And…
13:33Like…
13:34One…
13:34One…
13:34One hundred thousand people…
13:35Forget hundred thousand…
13:36Twenty thousand people gather…
13:38I would consider that a success…
13:40Yeah…
13:40It would be more than a success…
13:41You know…
13:41Or…
13:42You meet the fate of Pokroches…
13:44Yeah…
13:45More than a success…
13:47Alright…
13:48So…
13:48I think on that note…
13:49I think we've come to the…
13:50End of this conversation…
13:51We want to…
13:52We wanted to keep it short…
13:53Because Tao has to go…
13:54For…
13:54The real podcast…
13:55No…
13:55You have to…
13:57Edit it to…
13:5712 minutes…
13:59Fair enough…
13:59We'll do…
14:00Cut everything…
14:01Unnecessary…
14:01Alright…
14:02So…
14:02With that…
14:02We come to the close of today's…
14:04Chat with Tao…
14:04Hope you enjoyed it…
14:05Tell us what you think…
14:07Feel free…
14:08To troll us…
14:09Feel free to…
14:09Share your feedback…
14:10With us…
14:11Looking forward to…
14:13When the time is right…
14:16No…
14:17When the time is right…
14:18You can't have a…
14:19Cockroach…
14:19As an election symbol…
14:22Okay…
14:24They won't allow…
14:26Maybe…
14:26Maybe they'll use a rooster…
14:28They won't allow that either…
14:29To the courts…
14:30Where Tao began…
14:31Sorry?
14:32They might have to go back to the courts…
14:33Where Tao began…
14:35Yeah…
14:35Yeah…
14:36Maybe the Chief Justice will have a…
14:37Thing or two to say on this…
14:40No…
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