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00:12:5765 no he didn't what did he buy excuse me 1840 1880 are you okay
00:13:09oh it was fabulous famous people cecil damell was here he came and well we had a fit over it
00:13:15now
00:13:15governor would come every pilgrimage oh it was so exciting because see i was in the
00:13:20fourth grade when all that was going on and this thought it was wonderful
00:13:26welcome to green leaves this is our family home oh nice hazel and i are the sixth and seventh
00:13:33generation every little girl in natchez grew up including myself wearing hoop skirts look at the
00:13:43teeny tiny hoop skirts they're cute they made these for us when we were like two and three
00:13:50and so everybody has worn these riding my tricycle when i was five years old out at the home
00:13:56arlington and then going in the house and making up stories as to why this dangled and that looked
00:14:02blue because i didn't know what in the world i was talking about i felt very close to the civil
00:14:07war
00:14:07growing up because my great aunt and my grandfather grew up in this house with their grandparents who
00:14:12lived through the civil war she'd be wearing this dress and she'd be in the dining room that was her
00:14:17room and she would tell how union soldiers broke into the house and knocked her grandmother down
00:14:23because her grandmother wouldn't turn over the keys to the soldiers so that particular war was very
00:14:30real to me i've never seen such a collection of confederate uniforms and dresses right wonderful
00:14:41the members of our garden club select from our youth a king and queen of pilgrimage these were
00:14:46actually worn by queens of pilgrimage over the years so they're just a beautiful assortment
00:14:50for many years the young men wore the confederate uniform and there's been a move against let me
00:14:57see how i say this right um how do i say this for many years the young men wore the
00:15:07costume or the
00:15:08i'm sorry wore the uniform of their ancestors the confederate uniform there's been a movement in the past
00:15:14three or four years to kind of reduce the um i'm going to get in trouble here um
00:15:22there's been a movement within the past five years to to take away um no there's the one thing though
00:15:38that i wanted to take to my grave but i i'm out it the city knows it and i was
00:15:42like i'm the first
00:15:43african-american woman in this city
00:15:48to become a member of a garden club garden clubs in this town are slaps in the face of the
00:15:55african
00:15:56american community yeah they put on the hoop skirts and they sashay around i was working for monmouth
00:16:02historic inn so i'm finishing up a tour on a particular afternoon and i say to my guest oh and
00:16:10that is an original slave dwelling and then i started to talk about the enslaved woman dicey and
00:16:16how she loved her tobacco just telling the story then they called me in and they said stick to the
00:16:25script
00:16:27stick to the script oh today i wrote my own script this is my own slave dwelling
00:16:36and this slave dwelling sits on the grounds of old concord the big house burned in 1901 i know that
00:16:45oftentimes people come to natchez to see our big beautiful homes but you come here to see the kitchen
00:16:54you come here to see the quarters you're coming here to see my mother's collection of china from the
00:17:02a.m.p grocery store huh there is no old sev and old paris and that sort of thing in
00:17:08here
00:17:09the enslaved worked in here and they slept above behind the big house is the rest of the story
00:17:23tourism is a lifeline to the city but that's weighing 30 percent in seven years or so it turns
00:17:29out that millennials and generation z folks them 20-something 30-something year olds they're not as
00:17:36interested in the antebellum stories i call them the gone with the wind stories that are being told here
00:17:41as the baby boomers are and natchez has been really reluctant to expand the narrative
00:17:47even in the face of lost revenue okay which is where i come in i'm about to violate some southern
00:17:54pride narratives with truths and facts so hold your hat on so when you're looking at these houses you're
00:18:04going through natchez understand that they were built by slaves you know and that's the piece of the
00:18:10history that you don't get in the antebellum houses they use the word servant or help you know but
00:18:17these are slaves okay this was dr duncan's servant that was their favorite servant he became the
00:18:25overseer of this house they taught him to read and write those are his actual writings right here
00:18:32and back then it was against the law yes that's what i wanted so uh dr duncan he was good
00:18:39to his people
00:18:43good afternoon this is offering this is gwen yeah this will be our last day to stay open
00:18:51i've been a member here 40 years for years we made really really you know good and we could pay
00:18:58our
00:18:58bills but when you get to where you can't pay your bills duh we're all gonna miss doing this but
00:19:07it's
00:19:07just gotten to the point where we're all i hate to say this we're getting all too old
00:19:14i guess these aren't politically correct anymore i'm guessing what can you say
00:19:22you know older people sometimes wants it to remain the same but regardless of what you want you know
00:19:29you can't live in the past this is it this is it this is it tragic it's tragic i hope
00:19:36somebody keeps it
00:19:37open to the public so that we can see the history instead of rewriting history we continue the history
00:19:48from the back where are we from
00:19:52this is hamburg arkansas arkansas arkansas arkansas
00:20:08i think they're going to be a good too
00:20:14hey how did they like their money oh i'm gonna tell you baby when i get through with you you're
00:20:19gonna be
00:20:19able to buy a van and be my competition there you go yes and so if i forget something well
00:20:25just ask away
00:20:26by 1815 the textile mills in manchester england are producing 90 percent of the cloth for the entire
00:20:34continent i said the continent of europe and the number one raw material for the cloth is
00:20:40grown in the southern states the demand for cotton becomes insatiable
00:20:45newspaper ads in natchez say buy more slaves to grow more cotton to buy more slaves to grow more
00:20:50cotton to buy more slaves to grow more cotton and the cotton kingdom my dear friends is born
00:21:01first of all i want to thank you for coming to melrose my name is barney and i'll be your
00:21:06tour guide
00:21:10anytime you're open for public tours you're going to have the whole world come in and they're all
00:21:16going to have their own education and their own experiences and their own expectations
00:21:21we can never be everything to everybody
00:21:26i mean i will speak as a southerner and as a mississippian natchez is a complicated little town
00:21:34because of tourism natchez swallowed a master narrative about the old south we all want to be
00:21:41rich and we want to be princesses and live in palaces if it's a fairy tale that's one thing but
00:21:49if it's
00:21:49what you then decide is truth then that can be much more dangerous
00:22:03hello beautiful thank you
00:22:08oh i got her skirt that was it
00:22:13the first time i put this dress on as an older woman i probably felt the most beautiful and ladylike
00:22:20that i've ever felt in my life
00:22:24hello
00:22:28it changes the way people look at me and it changes the way you know i feel about myself
00:22:36i grew up always knowing that i was adopted i didn't know any specifics because it was a very taboo
00:22:43subject back then so i've struggled with a lot of things and about myself
00:22:54so when i put on this dress i felt like i belonged like i did fit in
00:23:14as in the nation of the nation
00:23:14where natchez mississippi was built up on ambition
00:23:17this ladies come up north she said why is it all of you southern gent little southern
00:23:22gentlemen why are you always so arrogant i said honey we're not arrogant you're totally misconstrued
00:23:28we're just proud of what we accomplished and that's the truth there's a great deal of difference
00:23:32because let me tell you, look around, we worked our butts off for what you see for seven generations
00:23:38and still working them off to keep it above water.
00:23:43Very few men can say that all their life their business has been their hobby and all of it's been
00:23:51their business.
00:23:53I had to wear my mic clean, my voice was going down, y'all.
00:23:56At our age, we're the old guard now. Of course, I'm only 35.
00:24:01It's our damn houses that wear your butt out, mentally, physically, financially.
00:24:06See, we're doing our regular tour days.
00:24:11And on top of that, our private tours, then our teas, dinners, things of that nature.
00:24:18Thank y'all for coming.
00:24:19Yes, thank you for having a beautiful tour.
00:24:22We live in another world.
00:24:23We don't like it.
00:24:26Everything I do is better than Choctaw.
00:24:30It's a continuous workload.
00:24:37We are all crazy.
00:24:39I think it's the humidity that's affected our brain.
00:24:43We better not stay too long.
00:24:45Yeah!
00:24:46Yeah!
00:25:03David Gardner at Choctaw.
00:25:06They throw me good pieces of business from time to time.
00:25:11You know, every effort is made to be civil and sweet.
00:25:16But my interactions with the Garden Club folks are surface level.
00:25:28I don't live in Natchez.
00:25:32Natchez is in Adams County, 32 miles from where I live, in Jefferson County.
00:25:39All right, Doc, what's happening?
00:25:40You still there?
00:25:41You still there?
00:25:43Yes, sir.
00:25:43It's been a long time, ain't it?
00:25:47Yes, sir.
00:25:58Listen, let me help you out with a little history.
00:26:00You know, I'm a big time history buff.
00:26:03One of the master's main tactics was to get us to hate one another.
00:26:08The light-skinned slave better than the dark-skinned slave.
00:26:12The house slave better than the field slave.
00:26:14The old better than the young.
00:26:16The female better than the male.
00:26:18And resentments would arise.
00:26:20But it really wasn't about hating one another.
00:26:23It was about hating ourselves.
00:26:25See, it don't matter what the world call Christ.
00:26:29In fact, let me help you.
00:26:30It don't matter what they call you.
00:26:32Huh?
00:26:34And you can't let other people's opinion determine your outlook on who you are.
00:26:40Huh?
00:26:41Hmm, something got a hold on me.
00:26:51Trouble in my way.
00:26:54Trouble in my way.
00:26:56I gotta cry sometime.
00:27:00Cry sometime.
00:27:00Hey, so much trouble.
00:27:04Trouble in my way.
00:27:06I gotta cry sometime.
00:27:07I gotta cry sometime.
00:27:08This is food.
00:27:08Let me let you know your body is a real deal to our soul.
00:27:11In this name, amen.
00:27:12Amen.
00:27:13Amen.
00:27:13Good.
00:27:16Good.
00:27:17Good.
00:27:17Good.
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00:27:21Good.
00:27:36Good.
00:27:38Good.
00:27:41Good.
00:27:42Good.
00:27:45Good.
00:27:55Did y'all enjoy your tour?
00:27:56We did.
00:27:57Thank you so much for coming.
00:28:03As I said before, I grew up in a very small town.
00:28:08At the time that I met my husband, he was much older than me and was in the oil and
00:28:15gas business.
00:28:17When we married, we visited Natchez very, very often and was looking for a place.
00:28:23And one of the ladies from the garden club, a past president, invited me to join the pilgrimage garden club.
00:28:31So we bought the condo here in Natchez.
00:28:3517 years we've been married and, you know, we're having some really hard times.
00:28:42But neither one of us have drawn a line in the sand.
00:28:53We'll see what happens.
00:29:08Franklin, Arnfield, and Ballard.
00:29:10They could buy a slave in Virginia for $600 and sell the same slave in Mississippi for $2,000.
00:29:17They could almost triple their money.
00:29:19So the cheapest way and the most common way to get slaves in the Deep South was to make them
00:29:23walk.
00:29:24One million and one-half million people walk 800-plus miles barefoot and in chains into the cotton fields and
00:29:32the sugarcane plantations of the Deep South.
00:29:35And it's going to take nine weeks.
00:29:37The second largest domestic slave market in the history of America was right here in Natchez.
00:29:44And it was called the Forks of the Road.
00:29:49We're right in the middle of it now.
00:29:55And this is the market itself.
00:29:59Please, guys, do not allow the size of this place to betray the magnitude of what happened here.
00:30:05The total number is 750,000.
00:30:08That's three-quarters of a million human beings, men and women, boys and girls, who are bought and sold at
00:30:14this very site on their way to survive labor until they die.
00:30:20The slaves came here bound at five points, both ankles, both wrists, and around their necks.
00:30:27And then a chain between us and one going back 50 people deep.
00:30:32The neck collars and ankle braces are riveted on by a blacksmith.
00:30:36By the time the slaves get to Natchez, this iron is seasoned with flesh and with blood.
00:30:42And people ask, you know, why would you harm a product you're trying to sell?
00:30:45Well, how do you control 6,000 to 10,000 people for 30 years?
00:30:49You control them with violence and fear.
00:30:53This is a park service site.
00:30:55They already started buying properties around it to make this the premier slave market museum in the country.
00:31:03They're trying to buy these businesses, but, you know, the people are going to try to hold out for more
00:31:08money.
00:31:10From this point here, every plot of land that you can see with your eyes, all of these are slave
00:31:16trading companies.
00:31:17Franklin, Armfield, and Ballard's southern office, where their red muffler shop is across the street.
00:31:28Hello, Natchez Exhaust.
00:31:31Okay, that'd be cool.
00:31:33All right, Barbara, thank you, baby.
00:31:36I'm Gene Williams.
00:31:37I own Natchez Exhaust across the street from the slave market.
00:31:42The state park, they made some offers on our property, and it was a joke.
00:31:50I have been working with the forks of the road for 18 years now.
00:31:57Land acquisition is a slow and complicated process, and so the challenge is always to find sellers who are willing
00:32:05and to have an appraised market value, which is what we can pay, that meets their expectations.
00:32:13Well, I mean, I've made a living here all my adult life.
00:32:17You can't just up and move a business.
00:32:20You know, you've got to rebuild your business again.
00:32:23And at 64, I don't feel like rebuilding anything, you know?
00:32:28They're going here and trying to buy me out for this much money, and then they'll spend this much money
00:32:34redoing everything that's here.
00:32:39And I told the guys, I said, what I look like, some poor old dumb country guy with my bib
00:32:44overalls on
00:32:44and chew tobacco running down my lip, going, well, yeah, I'll take that far if you just give me that.
00:32:49And I'm going, no, I don't want that.
00:32:51It'll never happen.
00:32:55The National Park Service is in the forever business, and every parcel has its own stories and its own complications.
00:33:04Across the road is where Franklin, Armfield, and Ballard were located.
00:33:10And Franklin and Armfield were the largest slave traders in the United States.
00:33:15They became millionaires off of human trafficking.
00:33:20I don't know what that force of the road is supposed to prove.
00:33:22I think it's just like everything else they say, that promoting memory of something that was bad, it's over and
00:33:28done with.
00:33:29And I hate it.
00:33:30I wasn't here.
00:33:31None of us were here.
00:33:32No.
00:33:34Had I been here, I wouldn't have done it.
00:33:36Just have to keep reminding people of what happened 100 years ago.
00:33:41And if it's a bad, bad thought, don't remind them of it.
00:33:46If you're going to take down all the statues, take down all the statues.
00:33:49If you're going to go build something there to promote what they're taking the statues down about, why would they
00:33:53do that?
00:33:54That's kind of what my thoughts about it.
00:33:57I'm not trying to be a racist.
00:33:58I'm not trying to be anything like that.
00:33:59I'm just saying.
00:34:01I thought about maybe just to open up my own force of the road over here.
00:34:06It'd be different than that.
00:34:12I hope I'm around when they finish the Forks of the Road project, when it's developed.
00:34:17Because, man, that's going to be mind-boggling.
00:34:24That land literally has our blood in it.
00:34:27Literally.
00:34:29Literally has our blood in it.
00:34:32And if it were not for Sir Boxley, that story may still be lost to time.
00:34:41The enslaved ancestors here.
00:34:43And I asked the question, who is going to tell their story?
00:34:49And I said I would.
00:34:53And from that time on, I'm waging a protracted struggle to bring the Forks of the Road from forgotten to
00:35:02a National Park Service park.
00:35:06From here on out, for as long as your generation, your generation, generation, exists, they're going to have to tell
00:35:12our story here.
00:35:15Boxley fought for that.
00:35:17He fought hard for that.
00:35:19And he has been working with politicians.
00:35:23He has worked with nonprofit groups tirelessly for more than 30 years to call attention to this forgotten site.
00:35:33However, Natchez City itself was an enslavement selling market.
00:35:39Up until the Franklin and Armfield people brought in enslaved persons with cholera, that led to banning the selling and
00:35:48enslaved African within the city limits.
00:35:52So there were enslaved persons sold all over the whole city.
00:35:58This is my spot, so to speak.
00:36:01And it's been a long time that I've sat here avenging the ancestors.
00:36:09I'm a Christian woman.
00:36:11And I see him as a biblical prophet.
00:36:15Because that's what the prophets did.
00:36:18They were all about pointing out to the status quo that they were not fulfilling their mission of justice.
00:36:33Slaves came here bound at five points.
00:36:36Both wrists, both ankles, and around their neck.
00:36:38Talking about the custom preacher?
00:36:40They would have come.
00:36:41May I borrow you?
00:36:42No, I haven't done.
00:36:43I know him.
00:36:44He's a good guy.
00:36:46He seems to be doing well with this.
00:36:48May I borrow you?
00:36:49They would have come in columns of two.
00:36:51You can hear him hollering over here.
00:36:52A lot of folks come there to stand and listen to No Rev's story.
00:36:55And you gotta learn how to walk like that.
00:37:01So there's a common misconception that everybody white in the South had a slave.
00:37:06Only 5% of Southerners ever owned slaves.
00:37:10Now everybody white in America benefited from the institution of slavery then and today.
00:37:15America's status is the richest nation on Earth.
00:37:18The first big pot of money that existed on this continent or in America was cotton.
00:37:25And cotton can't exist without...
00:37:29Hmm?
00:37:30Say it.
00:37:31Slaves.
00:37:32Slaves.
00:37:33So it is right, fair, true, just, equitable to say that America's wealth was built upon the backs of the
00:37:39enslaved.
00:37:49And my grandma, she paid cotton.
00:37:51Not like as a slave, but it was like her job.
00:37:54When she was younger, it was like the old days.
00:37:56So she would like pay cotton on the cotton, like for money.
00:38:02And my great-grandma, she had like a brother.
00:38:04And her brother got killed because it was like, you know, it was like a really racist back then.
00:38:10And they thought she was talking to like this white lady.
00:38:12And they hung them.
00:38:13And they don't know where his body is at all.
00:38:17I know.
00:38:18This is crazy.
00:38:19My grandma's like...
00:38:21My grandma...
00:38:21Well, maybe my grandma was like...
00:38:23Y'all need to just...
00:38:24Y'all should start working at the last night.
00:38:25Y'all can learn.
00:38:27I'm like...
00:38:27I'm like 100 years ago.
00:38:28No.
00:38:47I always loved the antebellum homes.
00:38:51Because as a matter of fact, my mother spent some time working in one of the antebellum homes.
00:38:57She worked there for more than 30 years.
00:39:00And I would go to work with her.
00:39:03And I thought, wow, you know, I'd like to own one of these one day.
00:39:08And then, several years ago, we were driving around.
00:39:13And I saw the top of the columns here.
00:39:16You couldn't see anything else because it was just covered in vines.
00:39:20And we crept in.
00:39:22And I thought, oh, my God.
00:39:23And I called my husband.
00:39:25And right away, I said, oh, Gregory, you should see this place we could bless a bride.
00:39:30Plantation-style weddings were really big.
00:39:33And he says, we aren't blessing anybody.
00:39:36Get in the car and come home.
00:39:39You know, when we bought the place, I was so proud.
00:39:42And then I start to ask questions about the property.
00:39:48We find then that it is a slave dwelling.
00:39:52And then we find an inventory of 124 enslaved African-American men, women, and children.
00:39:59I didn't know what to do with that when I found that it was a slave dwelling.
00:40:04I didn't know how to handle that because I'd gotten a lot of pushback from my people.
00:40:10My grandfather, he was born in slavery.
00:40:14He didn't talk about it.
00:40:16And I'd ask him even, Papa, what was your dad's name?
00:40:20Totally embarrassed, the gentleman was.
00:40:22And he'd say, oh, Master Jones, gal, now get away from here.
00:40:29Here I was living in history.
00:40:33And so my emotions are all over the place.
00:40:38I was in tears.
00:40:39I was sitting there crying.
00:40:41I go to Walmart, and there's this colorful gentleman at Walmart.
00:40:46And he says, I heard what you were doing.
00:40:49It was Sir Boxley.
00:40:51Boxley says to me, these buildings are worthy of preservation.
00:40:58Still, people don't understand it until they come.
00:41:27You know, and some people would be offended with this.
00:41:29If this just smells like home to me.
00:41:32I love it.
00:41:32I do.
00:41:33Me too.
00:41:36Oh, wow.
00:41:42Welcome to the Tiger Den.
00:41:45It's homecoming.
00:41:48We're in the same place.
00:41:57Five, four, three, two, one.
00:42:02Hey!
00:42:15It's a man of hell.
00:42:16Y'all means home.
00:42:18It's a fundraiser for mental health.
00:42:21The gay society puts it on.
00:42:24If the gay population left, that's just how we fold.
00:42:28Half the house is a home of a gay guy.
00:42:32We're the only ones that got the money in the chains.
00:42:37They do the show at the auditorium.
00:42:40We donate the beat party on Friday, and I found this.
00:42:45So I've got a bedracks full of drag queens.
00:42:48I want a version of you to take with me.
00:42:51If you have handles, I'll put you in the overhead bin, which is so cute.
00:43:03I will tell you what causes the telebytes to kill themselves.
00:43:08And you ought to humble yourself instead of being proud of your perversion.
00:43:15Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
00:43:17How are y'all doing this evening?
00:43:21I thank y'all so much for supporting the LGBTQ plus community.
00:43:25We're here to have a good time.
00:43:27We're here to raise a lot of money.
00:43:28For y'all means all, Natchez, ladies and gentlemen.
00:43:31Choctaw Hall is one of our sponsors this evening.
00:43:33First of all, you two kids, if you have not been to see this,
00:43:38oh, my God, stand up.
00:43:39I don't know how long it takes you to run up that platform to get to him.
00:43:45That is a mountain worth climbing right there, I swear.
00:43:59I'm not going to tell you how things are, God.
00:44:02If you made me a man, then I'm a man.
00:44:05And if you made me a woman, I'm a woman.
00:44:15I love to receive.
00:44:17I love the beautiful poems, the beautiful dress, and I love pilgrimage.
00:44:25I do miss it, but I have gone through a recent divorce.
00:44:31We had a prenup.
00:44:33I'm at a financial point where I need to make a living.
00:44:38Wouldn't all fit on the truck.
00:44:39Everything that would go on the truck is there, but I have one more chip.
00:44:47I'm down-sizing my life.
00:44:50You know, I don't have to have a lake house and a boat.
00:44:53And what I do have to have is peace.
00:45:13I'm going to sort through and keep the things that really are special to me.
00:45:17And then the things that are not, I'm just going to sell them at Cress.
00:45:23It's a consignment store.
00:45:26I'll just turn it into cash.
00:45:30Some days I do really well.
00:45:32Some days not.
00:45:34But I'm going to be all right.
00:45:36Yeah.
00:45:45By the time the war starts, half of Natchez already Union, a little blue speck in a sea of red
00:45:50today.
00:45:51By 1862, the secessionists here have to make a choice.
00:45:54My Southern pride or my million-dollar bank account.
00:45:57I'm going to give you five seconds to figure that one out.
00:45:59Ray Charles can see who's going to win the war.
00:46:02Stevie Wonder wouldn't wonder who's going to win the war.
00:46:04One more time in war, poor people die so rich people can stay rich.
00:46:101865, the Civil War ends.
00:46:12That ushers us into a period called Reconstruction.
00:46:14During Reconstruction, Natchez, I told you it was peculiar.
00:46:19Natchez get a black mayor, a black sheriff, a black tax assessor, a black tenancy clerk, a hiring rebels.
00:46:24First black man in the U.S. Senate, Natchez.
00:46:26John R. Lynch.
00:46:27First black man in the U.S. House of Representatives, Natchez.
00:46:30J.B. Banks.
00:46:30First black physician, Natchez.
00:46:33Schools, haberdasheries, grocery stores, apothecaries, blacks in the shop, lawyers, banks, and doctors.
00:46:38Pump your brakes, Rev.
00:46:40Slow down.
00:46:42How you move from being a slave to having economic and political power in the richest city in the world?
00:46:48Now, that does not happen anywhere else in the South like it does in Natchez.
00:46:51Upper mobility for newly freed slaves throughout the South is evident.
00:46:54But a mayor, a congressman, a sheriff?
00:46:57Hell no.
00:46:57Hell no, I say.
00:47:00I'm going to require a bit of brutal honesty from you for just a moment.
00:47:04Who do you think wants what's happening in Natchez to spread throughout the rest of the country?
00:47:10Nobody.
00:47:11Nobody.
00:47:11Nobody.
00:47:12If it happened today, who do you think would want it to spread?
00:47:16And I fear the answer would be the same.
00:47:18And so, in the aristocracy, they have to stop it.
00:47:32You come here and you get away from the current year.
00:47:36Current events.
00:47:37You go back.
00:47:38I feel like I have stepped out of the current mess and muddle, and I have gone back in this
00:47:44lovely way.
00:47:45To a lovely world.
00:47:47And I can pick and choose what I want to think about.
00:47:50That's right.
00:47:51And nowhere, nowhere in America is everything beautiful.
00:47:55But magic.
00:47:57I mean, you think about the lives we've learned about here.
00:48:00Although they lived in amazing beauty, their lives were turned upside down by current events.
00:48:05We have the luxury of removing ourselves from our unsightly current events and going back and enjoying just the beauty
00:48:13of their time.
00:48:14Cheers.
00:48:23The history that they learned and the history that they believe is now being yanked out from under them.
00:48:32That's how people experience it, this change that they feel is being forced on them.
00:48:41And it's hard work to come to a point where you're able to say,
00:48:45the history I learned was a mythological construct that was used to sell tickets.
00:49:02Welcome to the family dining room here at Magnolia Hall.
00:49:06There would have been 12 bells in the house, one for each room of the house.
00:49:10A bell for what?
00:49:11Oh, I'm sorry, to call servants.
00:49:13Call the servants, yes.
00:49:14Sorry about that.
00:49:14Yes, indeed.
00:49:21I think the hours sound better than the Downton Abbey chime that they had.
00:49:25That's the tea closet.
00:49:26At the time, it would have been locked because, y'all, tea and sugar were so expensive during that time
00:49:33that you couldn't afford for even a little bit of it to get pilfered by the servants.
00:49:38So the lady of the house would have worn that key around her neck, as I do today.
00:49:43Do you know what a punkah is?
00:49:45Some of the homes here have the punkah to shoo away the flies.
00:49:49These originated in India.
00:49:51So a servant would have stood to one side of the room and pulled on the rope.
00:49:54The punkah goes back and forth.
00:49:57It would, number one, cool the gas, but it was also to keep the flies and keep the air fanned.
00:50:04Ladies and gentlemen, this punkah fan, Mary McMurrin, wrote this.
00:50:08And she says, you know when the slave is doing it right?
00:50:11When they don't blow the candles out.
00:50:14That's the trick.
00:50:15This was a job.
00:50:16And his job title was called the Punkah Wallah.
00:50:20Punkah's fan.
00:50:21Wallah's work.
00:50:22Operate.
00:50:23Punkah Wallah.
00:50:24That was the name of the job.
00:50:26It was a child.
00:50:27How do we know it?
00:50:29She wrote it.
00:50:30Think about this.
00:50:32Why a child?
00:50:33Why a child?
00:50:34First of all, it's a slave.
00:50:36All right.
00:50:37It's a child.
00:50:38Small.
00:50:39Look at that corner.
00:50:40Inconspicuous.
00:50:41Out the way.
00:50:42Illiterate.
00:50:42Can't read or write.
00:50:44Not a person.
00:50:46Harmless.
00:50:48Newsflash.
00:50:49Ladies and gentlemen, I ain't never met a harmless child in my life.
00:50:53I don't care if he is a slave.
00:50:54He's a child.
00:50:56Children are intuitively inquisitive.
00:50:59We're loose at dinner.
00:51:00Things are coming out.
00:51:02This child can't read or write, but words have meanings that cause an action.
00:51:05I repeat.
00:51:06Words have meanings that cause an action.
00:51:08That's how children learn.
00:51:09They're products of not only their environment, but the culture and their language of their environment.
00:51:12That's how they learn.
00:51:13This kid is no different.
00:51:15He's a slave, but he's no different.
00:51:18What do you think is going to happen when that kid goes back to the quarters at night?
00:51:22Man, this kid.
00:51:23Man, y'all not going to believe what happened last night.
00:51:26Information is power.
00:51:28Information is power.
00:51:29Information is power.
00:51:31Information is power.
00:51:32Information is power.
00:51:35Especially to a race of people that can't read or write.
00:51:37It's against the law to teach them.
00:51:39It's power.
00:51:41How do I know this?
00:51:42Why is this park ranger saying all this?
00:51:44Simple.
00:51:45Read John Roy Lynch.
00:51:47What was John Roy Lynch's job as a child?
00:51:50As a slave?
00:51:51What was John Roy Lynch's job?
00:51:53He was at a house called Dunleap.
00:51:55On home of children.
00:51:57What did John Roy Lynch do?
00:51:58He was a punk-a-waller.
00:52:00He operated the fan.
00:52:02What did John Lynch do?
00:52:03Freed himself from slavery.
00:52:04Joined the Union Army.
00:52:06What did John Lynch do?
00:52:07Became a postmaster general during the war in Natchez.
00:52:09What did John Lynch do?
00:52:11He became a United States congressman, legislator out of Reconstruction.
00:52:15What did John Lynch do?
00:52:16He later left Reconstruction, left politics, became an attorney, moved to Chicago, and practiced law for 38 years in Chicago.
00:52:23What was his job as a child?
00:52:26A punk-a-waller.
00:52:28A slave punk-a-waller.
00:52:31Why?
00:52:31Jesus.
00:52:46One of our goals is to try to raise the bar, to talk about slavery as a part of every
00:52:53tour.
00:52:54And I think that some of the other museum houses in town move in that direction.
00:53:01Well, you know, with mixed results.
00:53:05This painting of a black man.
00:53:07There's only three in the state of Mississippi.
00:53:10And by the way, that white is, I think, a reflection on his lip, not necessarily his teeth.
00:53:24I was very resistant to talking about enslavement because I had so few facts.
00:53:30But we've gotten braver over the years.
00:53:33All of us who are from the South and who come from families who were plantation owners in the 19th
00:53:40century have to deal with the issue of slavery, chattel slavery.
00:53:46It's obviously not a nice system.
00:53:51Lansdown was my great-great-grandparents' house.
00:53:55He had a lot of plantations, owned a huge, horrible number of slaves.
00:54:00And, yeah, that's my history.
00:54:02That's part of my history.
00:54:03And I have to tell it as much as I hate it.
00:54:07And the other part of our story is about the African-Americans who lived here at Greenleaf with the family.
00:54:16Unfortunately, one of them we know was not happy because this is Matilda who ran away in 1850.
00:54:22And this is an advertisement for her return.
00:54:26All right, this is what I rang when I want someone to bring me a Diet Coke.
00:54:34Welcome to the summer kitchen.
00:54:37This is an original dependency, as we say in Natchez, or outbuilding, of Gloucester.
00:54:44In National Geographic, 1949, check out this gorgeous picture.
00:54:50There is an actress portraying the shucking of all these vegetables right by the fire during pilgrimage one time.
00:55:01Isn't that lovely?
00:55:05Here I am with this slave dwelling.
00:55:08So I said, oh, you know, I'm going to invite the Garden Club ladies out here to see this house.
00:55:13And I did.
00:55:15Now, I love how Debbie has gone through, because the unique history of this property here, I would say the
00:55:23majority of us that have these other homes don't really have that type of opportunity to focus on what she
00:55:30can focus on.
00:55:32But we have the responsibility of doing what we've got at our places as well.
00:55:37Anyway, you know, the thing I like about Debbie is the one thing we have in common is that we
00:55:43both seem to just have our own ideas and our own research, and then we just do whatever we want.
00:55:53I find that very fun about you.
00:55:59I am fun, fun, fun.
00:56:01I'm fun Debbie.
00:56:02That's just who I am.
00:56:04She went over to our house to visit it, but I didn't even get to meet her then.
00:56:08When you're telling a story about, say, a kitchen, a Black woman's kitchen, for me, you bring a Black person
00:56:17in to talk about kitchen, and you say to me, well, you come and you do it.
00:56:24I don't have time to tell the story for your kitchen.
00:56:28But I'm almost certain your guest would most probably be more receptive of a Black person, woman, in that kitchen
00:56:45telling your story.
00:56:47That's all.
00:56:49We probably have two different kinds of people coming, some who just want to look at pretty things and some
00:56:56who want to learn more about it.
00:56:57I don't know.
00:56:58I bet they're different there now.
00:56:59I know who comes to my house.
00:57:01Yeah, yeah.
00:57:01I mean, yeah, well, I know who comes here, and I know, you know what I'm saying, not being argumentative.
00:57:08I don't want to do that.
00:57:08Oh, no.
00:57:09Okay.
00:57:10No, what I want to say is that a lot of people come to Natchez, and they see the pictures.
00:57:17They're not even oftentimes reading anything about it.
00:57:21They see that mansion.
00:57:22So they come here to find, oh, it's a slave quarter.
00:57:28I have people who stay with me who have no idea.
00:57:32Yeah, because it's, yes, because it's concealed by design.
00:57:36What's frustrating to me is reading the stories of the enslaved people, they're at least getting to learn some names,
00:57:43but we don't have, it frustrates me to know we don't know what they look like.
00:57:47We don't have a portrait of any of them, and it's the way it was, but I'm like, what do
00:57:52you do?
00:57:54Do you have a silhouette created?
00:57:55Is there something to symbolize someone without it?
00:57:59I'll never have something real, or do you just honor the name or what little bit you know?
00:58:04You certainly didn't answer to your own question.
00:58:07That is exactly what you do.
00:58:09I don't know how y'all feel about it, but I like how Helen Smith, I thought she said it
00:58:12well.
00:58:12She said, there's clearly examples of there being great affection, you know, between people in the home, but she says
00:58:18affection will never be a substitute for freedom.
00:58:21Right.
00:58:21And I thought that was a nice way to say it.
00:58:23But you at least like to hope there's affection.
00:58:25It makes you feel a little more.
00:58:27Gloucester was built in 1803, and the Emancipation Proclamation was in 1863, so it did have slavery for 60 years.
00:58:37But then, from then on, from 1863 to 1920, when they built an indoor kitchen finally, they had, you know,
00:58:47paid servants out there working in that very primitive kitchen.
00:58:52And some stayed on and just, you know, got paid, I'm sure.
00:58:57Okay.
00:58:58Surely not much, but got paid and stayed on with the family long after the war.
00:59:02We pay our housekeeper.
00:59:04She doesn't come for free.
00:59:05Mm-hmm.
00:59:07Okay.
00:59:09It was like a nightmare today.
00:59:11By the time you got here, I wanted to just burst into tears.
00:59:14Mm-hmm.
00:59:15I did.
00:59:15Oh, baby.
00:59:16Oof.
00:59:17And, I mean, because this shit is hard, and you have to sit in here and listen to all that
00:59:21old care and stuff.
00:59:23Mm-hmm.
00:59:23So she bought a house, and she doesn't know.
00:59:26That's it.
00:59:27She knows the history of her house, but she knows, and that is so it.
00:59:30Her, the lingo, it's not proper.
00:59:33The things she needs to, she needs some, she needs to go get some help with that because it's offensive.
00:59:40It truly is, and I was trying not to be so offended in my home as well as not to
00:59:47offend her.
00:59:48That woman made me so.
00:59:51I don't usually get that rabble.
00:59:53But that is so, that's it.
00:59:56Bless her heart.
00:59:57And I'm going to send her some candy, some cookies.
01:00:01Don't send her no candy and cookies.
01:00:02Send her a book.
01:00:03So she needs to be educated.
01:00:05Oh!
01:00:19She's in this room.
01:00:26Perfect.
01:00:28I'm going to send her a bookies.
01:00:33Sam.
01:00:35I'm going to send her a bookies.
01:00:41Oh!
01:00:48I'm going to send her a bookies.
01:00:56You're welcome!
01:01:19Take your time as you exit.
01:01:25The old aristocracy, they went from have to have not.
01:01:29Seventy-five years of absolute wealth and power ended in four years of war.
01:01:33At Melrose, they're planting tomatoes after the war to pay taxes.
01:01:37What do you think the first thing was on the aristocracy's mind?
01:01:40How do I get it back?
01:01:43By 1890, all 13 ex-cretory states passed the Mississippi Plan,
01:01:47and it becomes a lot of land in the South.
01:01:49These new constitutions in the South will forbid black representation
01:01:53on a state, federal, and local level.
01:01:54Just like that, all those elected officials sit down.
01:01:57It's going to create voter suppression laws like literacy tests and poll taxes.
01:02:00No more black voting.
01:02:01White-only and cuddled-only bathrooms.
01:02:03Limited access to public facilities.
01:02:04A black man can't wear a white shirt on Sunday morning.
01:02:07If you were walking down the sidewalk and I approached you,
01:02:09I had to step into the street by my head and call you Miss.
01:02:12If I looked in your eyes, constitutional law called that simple assault.
01:02:16You told I went to jail, hello Karen.
01:02:19She born right here in Natchez.
01:02:22The most insidious thing it did was to rewrite criminal justice codes called black codes for black people.
01:02:26This would elevate misdemeanors to felonies and create inmate lease programs
01:02:31so that state prisons, county jails, and local jails can rent inmates to farmers.
01:02:34That set of laws had a name, and it was not the name of a human.
01:02:39It was the name of a menstrual act, where an actor put on blackface and pasted feathers on his arms,
01:02:45danced around as a buffoon, and it was called Jim Crow.
01:02:48Jim Crow.
01:02:49Jim Crow.
01:02:51Jim Crow.
01:02:52Jim Crow was not some spidey minister, support warden, social norm, and custom.
01:02:55Jim Crow was constitutional law in the whole Deep South from 1890 to 1965.
01:03:0265.
01:03:04Yeah, I was born in 1964.
01:03:07It was not until LBJ signed the Voter Rights Act in 64 and Civil Rights Act in 65 that Jim
01:03:13Crow got wiped out the books.
01:03:14It was too late.
01:03:15It was a scar.
01:03:16It was a wound on the soul of America.
01:03:1975 years of government-sanctioned, institutionalized, systemic racism and white supremacy had done its dastardly deed.
01:03:27America is still segregated.
01:03:29There are black schools, white schools, black churches, white churches, black neighborhoods, white neighborhoods to this very day in Natchez.
01:03:37Is that on purpose?
01:03:38Well, it's got to be on purpose.
01:03:41I mean, are there new developments that actual white and black people are living in?
01:03:51I mean, there are exceptions.
01:03:53No, there's no signs.
01:03:55But Jim Crow was ingrained into America's psyche, culture, heart, mind, and it's still there.
01:04:18Thank you all.
01:04:19They've got to be careful now on the film.
01:04:22I'll Picasso to the floor of that.
01:04:30The Parkinson visa, it controls you.
01:04:35You don't control whatever.
01:04:39I don't shake that much
01:04:42Every once in a while I do
01:04:47See if I stood up right now too quickly
01:04:49I'd keep walking
01:04:51My body would stop mentally
01:04:53But that's when I fall so much
01:04:56So I've got where I just creep around
01:04:59I've been reluctant to use a cane
01:05:01That makes me look older than I am
01:05:06My voice is just terrible
01:05:09It's becoming an issue
01:05:13For the doctors say
01:05:14It's just over usage
01:05:16I don't know if I go along with that or not
01:05:22There's no pain
01:05:23Just no voice
01:05:25It's kind of strange and mysterious
01:05:32If it gets any worse
01:05:33I'll just quit talking
01:05:36I'll just stop
01:05:44Y'all got any questions, comments, anything?
01:05:47You ain't gonna get a whole lot of opportunities
01:05:49To talk to an articulate black man
01:05:53About this kind of stuff
01:05:54So go ahead
01:05:55How do you turn that around?
01:05:57Yeah
01:05:57Oh baby, if I knew I'd be rich
01:06:00Well I know that
01:06:01But I mean it starts with
01:06:02Sitting down and talking
01:06:03Just like you said
01:06:04It does
01:06:05But then you have to
01:06:08Focus more on
01:06:09Do you feel like education?
01:06:10I always felt like education
01:06:12Was the key
01:06:13Was the key
01:06:13Yeah, I think so
01:06:15The whole family idea
01:06:16Women having numerous children
01:06:18Sure
01:06:19And with no father
01:06:20Yeah
01:06:21You know, I mean that
01:06:21Well, they got fathers
01:06:23Well yeah, yeah
01:06:23They all got
01:06:24Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
01:06:25You know what I'm saying?
01:06:26They're not
01:06:26In the home
01:06:27They're absolutely
01:06:28Right, right, right, right
01:06:29Right, right, right, right
01:06:30And that's designed
01:06:31You see, if you want to kill a snake
01:06:33Do you cut the tail off of the head?
01:06:35Right, sure
01:06:35You cut the head off
01:06:36And so the cradle to the prison pipeline
01:06:39The injection of drugs
01:06:41And poverty
01:06:43And the gentrification
01:06:46In communities
01:06:46And the redlining
01:06:48All that stuff works just fine
01:06:50I get thousands of people
01:06:52I've done these tours
01:06:53In the last eight years or so
01:06:55And I get this comment
01:06:57A bit repetitively
01:06:58Where folks say
01:07:00Well, what black people need to do
01:07:02Is this or this or this
01:07:03To solve this problem
01:07:04But y'all understand
01:07:06That black people
01:07:06Didn't create the problem
01:07:08White people created the problem
01:07:09And so if it's going to be solved
01:07:11White folks are going to have to solve it
01:07:13Plus, let me finish
01:07:14Right
01:07:15Let me finish
01:07:17Black people don't have enough money
01:07:18Or power to solve the problem
01:07:20And so the inequities that exist
01:07:24In our culture
01:07:25Will require
01:07:26Something that I think
01:07:28Is going to be difficult
01:07:29And that's white folks
01:07:30Going to have to give up something
01:07:31Yeah, yeah, yeah
01:07:32Opportunity
01:07:33Wealth
01:07:35All those things
01:07:36And who wants to give up
01:07:37Anything that they
01:07:38Feel like they work for
01:07:40You know what I'm saying
01:07:41And so
01:07:42How you fix them, man
01:07:43That's real tough
01:07:49I welcome
01:07:50Those conversations
01:07:52And sometimes
01:07:54After the tours
01:07:54I'm a little sad
01:07:55Because I feel like
01:07:57We've made a connection
01:07:58And now it has to end
01:08:01You got to analyze
01:08:03As you're talking to people
01:08:04And it's almost an art
01:08:06What they're able to bear
01:08:09You know
01:08:09You get more from non-verbal cues
01:08:11Than you do verbal cues
01:08:12So, you know
01:08:14I'm really in tune to them
01:08:15While I'm talking
01:08:16That's how I know
01:08:17When to shut up
01:08:19You ever pick cotton rift?
01:08:21No, sir
01:08:21I have
01:08:22My grandmother did
01:08:23Okay
01:08:25I took you to the highest point
01:08:27On the bluff
01:08:29And this is the lowest point
01:08:32Did you ever do Choctaw High?
01:08:34Yeah, we did it yesterday
01:08:36Have you taken the tour?
01:08:37Oh, man
01:08:38I've been in that house
01:08:39Many, many times
01:08:40Many times
01:08:42I don't think
01:08:43David does the same thing
01:08:44With me there
01:08:45As he does without me
01:08:47Because
01:08:47I've had people come back
01:08:49And say, you know
01:08:50He made some
01:08:51Blatantly racist comments
01:08:54I always picture him
01:08:56As just trying to
01:08:58Portray
01:09:00What a
01:09:01Southern
01:09:04Aristocratic gentleman
01:09:05How they would talk
01:09:07As opposed to being him
01:09:10I mean, he gay in America
01:09:11Still
01:09:12Y'all will get to know him
01:09:13A little bit more
01:09:13And maybe you can see
01:09:14If there's a real him
01:09:16Or if that is the real him
01:09:19Jaco Petit loved monkeys
01:09:21He owned three
01:09:22He made scent bottles
01:09:24With rose oil
01:09:25In the shape of monkeys
01:09:27Look at her
01:09:29She's dressed in royal clothes
01:09:30Her top comes off
01:09:31Poor rose oil
01:09:32Look, she's got a flask
01:09:34In her hand
01:09:35She's smashed
01:09:36She can tell by looking
01:09:37And look how beautifully
01:09:38Signed she is
01:09:39Don't you look
01:09:40Look at her face
01:09:41Isn't she hysterical?
01:09:42I mean, this girl is blitz
01:09:45And what's so interesting
01:09:46It's cracked and crazed
01:09:48You still smell rose oil
01:09:51Isn't that great?
01:09:53I feel like I'm doing communion
01:09:56When I made a good priest
01:09:58I love him
01:10:00Have you been in Choctaw too?
01:10:02Yes
01:10:02Did you see David?
01:10:03Yes, very entertaining
01:10:05Biggest characters
01:10:05You'll ever meet
01:10:07He's a nice guy
01:10:08Yeah, he is
01:10:09And believe it or not
01:10:09He took a bunch of stuff out
01:10:11Yeah
01:10:11He did
01:10:12Well, he said the hoop skirt mafia
01:10:14Made him take a lot of things
01:10:15That's right
01:10:17They got on to him all the time
01:10:19About inappropriate words
01:10:20That he might use
01:10:22And he didn't like that at all
01:10:24So he was reprimanded numerous times
01:10:26Over his tours
01:10:27But everybody loves his tours
01:10:29Yeah
01:10:29He just says it like it is
01:10:31He's entertaining
01:10:31Bye-bye
01:10:32Y'all come back now, you hear?
01:10:44In recognition
01:10:46And appreciation
01:10:47For their many contributions
01:10:49To our city
01:10:51Don't start doing that
01:10:52You don't make me
01:10:54We honor Deborah Cozy
01:10:56With his key to the city
01:11:04Wow, I'm so overwhelmed
01:11:05Natchez is a place of healing
01:11:07Of the ugly past
01:11:09And yes, I am
01:11:10The first African-American woman
01:11:12To be a member
01:11:13Of the Pilgrimage Garden Club
01:11:14And then when they're early
01:11:16My friend here
01:11:17He'll tell you
01:11:19I do this for them
01:11:20And then I break them down
01:11:22If they want to be ugly
01:11:23Oh, freedom
01:11:27Oh, freedom
01:11:31Oh, freedom
01:11:34Over me
01:11:37And before I'd be a slave
01:11:40Said I'd be buried in my grave
01:11:45And go home
01:11:49Home to my Lord
01:11:52And I'd be free
01:12:01I have really bad days sometimes
01:12:05When I think I'm going to just be this little wimpy girl
01:12:08Or woman or whatever
01:12:09And it's like I'm tired
01:12:10And I can't do this anymore
01:12:11And I can't go
01:12:12I think of them
01:12:15The enslaved people here
01:12:18Flora Upshaw
01:12:21Hester Williams
01:12:25George and Charity Morton
01:12:28I give honor to them
01:12:31I say their names
01:12:34I ask for their guidance
01:12:42You know
01:12:48These were handmade
01:12:52They made these bricks
01:12:53You know
01:13:12One day I was out here
01:13:13As I am every morning
01:13:15And a van drove up
01:13:17I introduced myself
01:13:19And as it turns out
01:13:21I'm Tracy
01:13:22He's Tracy
01:13:22So we chatted
01:13:23For a little while
01:13:24And you know
01:13:25I had wanted to do
01:13:26His tours since then
01:13:28I love learning
01:13:29About all of the beautiful architecture
01:13:32That's here
01:13:32And the culture
01:13:34Of our city
01:13:35Well y'all know
01:13:36My name is Tracy Collins
01:13:39And I'm a local pastor here
01:13:41And I'm a bit of a historian
01:13:48The fastest growing cash crop
01:13:50In the state
01:13:51Is the southern pine
01:13:52My very first job
01:13:54Was in the public
01:13:55Shut up
01:13:56You ain't been in no woods girl
01:13:58You were a Beverly Hill building
01:13:59My dad loaded the truck
01:14:01And then my mom drove the truck
01:14:03To the mill the next morning
01:14:05And unloaded it
01:14:06Look
01:14:07I hauled wood
01:14:08For one day
01:14:10The next day
01:14:11I went and got in college
01:14:12Right
01:14:13By the time slavery moves
01:14:15From the east to the south
01:14:16The chains aren't on their arms anymore
01:14:18The chains are on their minds
01:14:24You been in Melrose?
01:14:26I have not
01:14:32It's so sad that
01:14:33People can be so
01:14:35You know
01:14:36So cruel
01:14:37He said some things
01:14:39That made me
01:14:39Think about it
01:14:40A little differently
01:14:41Than what I had before
01:14:51And this is my mother
01:14:53Who died last year
01:14:54This is what my mother
01:14:55Wonderville Clemson
01:14:57It's in Arkansas
01:14:58Our townhouse
01:14:59Is next door
01:15:01To the governor's mansion
01:15:01Like this
01:15:02It's townhouse
01:15:02Outside of the country
01:15:04Everybody had it
01:15:05So we were all
01:15:06Running by us
01:15:07For years
01:15:08You grew up next
01:15:09To the governor's mansion
01:15:10Yeah
01:15:10My house
01:15:11Is pretty
01:15:11When they redid it
01:15:12Goes
01:15:13Then they copied
01:15:13My stairway
01:15:18You know
01:15:19I just can't imagine
01:15:20The slaves
01:15:21I mean
01:15:22How do you walk
01:15:2390 miles
01:15:25I don't think
01:15:26I could have
01:15:26I mean
01:15:27I just feel sure
01:15:27I would have died
01:15:29And no one would have cared
01:15:31No
01:15:32And I would have been
01:15:33Glad of it
01:15:33I mean
01:15:33I would have rather died
01:15:34Than
01:15:35I'm sure
01:15:35Someone felt that way
01:15:41Slaves couldn't read
01:15:42And write
01:15:43So
01:15:43Where did education
01:15:44Come from
01:15:46Well
01:15:46Some of them
01:15:48Are the bastard
01:15:49Children
01:15:50Of the aristocracy
01:15:51See the rich
01:15:52White male planter
01:15:53Get to have sex
01:15:54With whoever he wanted to
01:15:55And these men
01:15:56Are raping women
01:15:57Like 55 going south
01:15:58You understand
01:15:59Your husband
01:16:00Gonna come tell you
01:16:01At 9 o'clock
01:16:02Baby I'm going
01:16:02To check the chickens
01:16:03He ain't going
01:16:04To check no chickens
01:16:05He going down
01:16:06To the slave quarter
01:16:07And he gonna do that
01:16:08Every night
01:16:08And the only time
01:16:09He even come to your bed
01:16:10Is to make an air
01:16:11And the same women
01:16:13That he having sex with
01:16:16Raping
01:16:16Put it
01:16:17The way it is
01:16:18They washing your clothes
01:16:20Cooking, cleaning
01:16:20Helping you put your clothes
01:16:21She pouring your coffee
01:16:23In the morning
01:16:23And he got that
01:16:24I'm gonna have sex with you
01:16:25To look tonight
01:16:26In his eyes
01:16:27But he ain't looking at you
01:16:29He looking at her
01:16:30And guess what you get
01:16:31To say about it
01:16:33Nothing
01:16:33You can't say a word
01:16:35Now do you think
01:16:37You can't say anything
01:16:38Because you won't say anything
01:16:39Or you can't say anything
01:16:41What you think
01:16:41I mean what you think
01:16:42If you're the wife
01:16:43If you're the wife
01:16:44Why can't you say anything
01:16:45You ain't gonna be wrong
01:16:46I promise you
01:16:47Where would you go
01:16:48Where would you live
01:16:49Right
01:16:50And because they're
01:16:51Supporting your lifestyle
01:16:52Right
01:16:53Here we go
01:16:57Jim Crow was constitutional law
01:17:00In the whole deep south
01:17:02Now get this
01:17:03From 1890 to 1965
01:17:06I was born in 1964
01:17:08Me too
01:17:10We same age
01:17:12Same name
01:17:13Same age
01:17:13You my sister
01:17:14You my sister
01:17:15Yeah you gotta come to church
01:17:17Remember
01:17:18That was a drastic turn
01:17:22I'm hip right
01:17:25Hey doc
01:17:26Hey that's my boy
01:17:28Oh man
01:17:30And you the worst
01:17:31Doggone muffler man
01:17:33In Mississippi
01:17:34Get a job
01:17:36Asshole
01:17:39What did
01:17:40What did we say
01:17:41The muffler guy
01:17:42Oh that black boy's lying
01:17:48One of his little friends
01:17:50Was over there
01:17:50And every time
01:17:52It's three or more
01:17:54Of them together
01:17:58Their ignorance
01:17:59Just boils over
01:18:01I get him straight
01:18:02In the morning
01:18:03The first note
01:18:11I got
01:18:12My grandmother died
01:18:13Sort of handwritten
01:18:14Three pages
01:18:15From Bill Clinton
01:18:17Because I mean
01:18:17He was so kind
01:18:18So down there
01:18:20He definitely built
01:18:21Now Hillary and I
01:18:21Kind of got into it
01:18:22Several years ago
01:18:23They took Confederate Boulevard
01:18:26And she voted
01:18:27To have it changed
01:18:28To some black man's name
01:18:30And I flew all over
01:18:31I said let me tell you
01:18:32You're a brilliant woman
01:18:34But you're gonna go down a hill
01:18:35Getting involved
01:18:36In this black situation
01:18:36And I said
01:18:38You can just mark me off
01:18:39Your little list of friends
01:18:41As you start licking up
01:18:42To the black
01:18:42That's exactly what she did
01:18:44And one of them
01:18:45Bill told me later
01:18:47He said
01:18:48You can tell her that
01:18:50Get away with it
01:18:52Well it's the truth
01:18:54And so she ruined herself
01:18:57That's why she didn't get elected
01:18:58It was two minutes of niggerism
01:19:01If there's another monument
01:19:03Built in Natchez
01:19:04If I have to pay for it
01:19:05It'll be to the white people
01:19:06There's still white people
01:19:08Left in this world
01:19:09Who died
01:19:10And maybe all the black people
01:19:11Queen for a day
01:19:12I don't know
01:19:13But I mean
01:19:14It's just disgusting
01:19:15There's been people
01:19:17That have been persecuted
01:19:18Much more
01:19:19Than the blacks have
01:19:20And whatever
01:19:22If they did
01:19:22Pile them on a ship
01:19:24And send them back
01:19:24After they'd have
01:19:25Another thought
01:19:26Coming
01:19:26They got over there
01:19:27And climb a coconut tree
01:19:28And make a living
01:19:30Whatever
01:19:30So I think
01:19:31It's just absolutely pitiful
01:19:33Equality
01:19:34Which brings them
01:19:35Everything on a silver tray
01:19:36I mean
01:19:37Our taxpayers money
01:19:38I mean
01:19:40I'm tired of
01:19:41Taking care of somebody
01:19:42That won't take care
01:19:43Of themselves
01:19:44And I'm not saying
01:19:45There's not some good ones
01:19:46There are
01:19:47But boy
01:19:48They're outnumbered
01:19:49By the bad ones
01:19:49It's disgusting
01:19:51It's just black
01:19:52Black
01:19:52Black
01:19:55I love to wear black
01:19:59Men look so good
01:20:00With gray hair
01:20:01And black tie
01:20:17I don't wear
01:20:19I don't wear
01:20:58So if you buy yourself
01:20:59A black
01:20:59Make sure
01:21:01The shoes are pointed
01:21:02I don't want you
01:21:03To get rid of it all
01:21:03Because I don't want you
01:21:04To go out
01:21:04And buy you
01:21:05A little Negro
01:21:06For your house
01:21:06And let me
01:21:07I'll be
01:21:08A little coy
01:21:11You'll remember that
01:21:11Won't you?
01:21:19Do you have an elevator
01:21:20No elevator
01:21:21Somebody says
01:21:22What in hell
01:21:22How are you going to get up
01:21:23I said
01:21:24I'll get a couple
01:21:25Negro boys
01:21:25A camera
01:21:27And one lady said
01:21:28If anyone will
01:21:30You will
01:21:31They also had that money
01:21:33To buy slave labor
01:21:34That's part of the history
01:21:36We need to embrace history
01:21:38Learn from it
01:21:39Profit from it
01:21:41And continue on
01:21:49All right
01:21:51So I sent you
01:22:15Oh, when I stretch my hand to thee, and all we help I know, if I withdraw thyself from me,
01:22:38where shall I go, Jesus my God I know in name, the only help I know, if I withdraw thyself
01:23:08from me,
01:23:13where shall I go, Jesus my youngest son, this is, yeah, Bobby.
01:23:36Mr. Lewis, are you talking about me?
01:23:41He's the director of interpretation.
01:23:42Mr. Lewis, are you talking about me?
01:23:44I'm talking about me.
01:23:46I'm talking about me.
01:23:48I'm talking about me.
01:24:30I'm talking about me.
01:24:34I'm talking about me.
01:24:37I'm talking about me.
01:24:38I'm talking about my moves.
01:24:40This is all.
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