00:00Pinapapasura ng Office of the Solicitor General ang petisyon ni Sen. Bato de la Rosa na harangin ang ariswaran ng
00:07International Criminal Court.
00:09Kaunin niyan at update sa pagalis ni de la Rosa sa Senado, mapanahin po natin ang abugado niyan ng si
00:14Atty. Israelito Torrion.
00:16Atty. Torrion, magandang umaga po.
00:19Hello, good morning, good morning everyone. Magandang umaga.
00:22As nalumulay kumurak matulaki wa barakatuh.
00:24Atty. Nasan na po si Sen. Bato? Meron ba kayong komunikasyon?
00:28As of the moment, no. Nung na-confirm na nag-aalis siya o mga siguro an hour or 30 minutes
00:35before that, nauna po akong umalis sa Senado. I did not have any idea na aalis pala siya on that
00:43day.
00:43Opo. Bilang kliyente po niya, may suwesyon ho ba kayo na magpakita siya o bumalik sa Senado?
00:50That is a matter that can only be decided by my client.
00:53As a lawyer, I can only present alternative courses of action, discuss to him the strength, the weaknesses, the threats,
01:02no.
01:02And it's really up to him to decide as to what to do.
01:07Ito, pinapapabasura po ng ating OSG sa Court Suprema, yung petisyon ng inyong kampo na maharang po ang arrest warrant
01:15ng ICC.
01:16Pwede ba kayong magkomento doon?
01:19Well, sana hindi tayo masabjudice, pero the people also have the right to know.
01:24We are finalizing. As a matter of fact, na-finalize na namin yung aming reply.
01:29Kasi if you notice, yung deadline ng three days ng Solgen was on Saturday.
01:34And ang sa amin naman, three days after that would be Tuesday, tomorrow.
01:39Pero we are giving ourselves, I will refine it, and we are awaiting also the comments of other well-meaning
01:45lawyers
01:45who want to also contribute their own opinion insofar as our reply is concerned.
01:51But on or before 2pm, isasubmit ko na ito maski bukas pa yung deadline namin po.
01:55Apo, eto sabi ni Ombudsman Jesus Crispin Remulia, admission of guilt ang pagtatago ni Sen. Bato
02:02at hamon po niya sa kung naniniwala siyang walang kasalanan, harapin daw yung mga paratang atornitor yun.
02:11Yun ang kanyang opinion, ginagalang natin yun.
02:13Pero yung admission of guilt na sinasabi niya, contemplate sa situation where there is a local case.
02:18We are dealing here with a unique situation which is a case emanating from a foreign court.
02:25If you will know, the preliminary investigation that was akin to a preliminary investigation conducted in this case was done
02:31in secret.
02:32We never knew about it. We were never informed about it.
02:35And well, meron ng warrant of arrest.
02:37As a matter of fact, we exerted efforts to determine whether or not there was a warrant of arrest.
02:42And we have been rebuffed. We have been refused.
02:45And only now, it has been yung pagsipot na talaga niya, meron talagang warrant of arrest.
02:50How can you consider him a, what you call this, how can you consider it as an indicia of guilt?
02:55When he was not formally informed of the charges and when he was not given the chance to defend himself.
03:02Kaya nga, ang sa aming humble stand dito, idaan ito dapat sa local courts.
03:09Kasi, customary international law yan.
03:12Kung merong warrant of arrest, if you base it under Article 9 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political
03:18Rights,
03:18if you base it under Articles 8 and 9 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,
03:23if you base it under the 2004 Commonwealth Model Law,
03:27So, all of which, and even state practice,
03:30pag may madakip pursuant to a foreign warrant,
03:33dapat talaga yan sa competent judicial authority so that he can be given the chance to defend himself.
03:39This is not a matter only of the 1987 Constitution.
03:43This is customary international law.
03:45And I can cite a lot of examples.
03:47The Gagbu Kitten Coast, Ivory Coast.
03:50Dinakip siya, may warrant o pares siya.
03:52Dinaan siya sa Ivory Coast.
03:53The, ano, yung Nassim case, Elmasri case in Italy.
03:58Tagalibya siya, nadakip siya sa Italy.
04:01The Italian courts gave him the chance to defend himself,
04:05to give his, to assert his rights under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
04:12And that was respected by the Italian courts.
04:15How much more?
04:16Tayo lang pinaka-unique na bansa na hindi sinusunod ito na rule.
04:21Apo. Yung sinasabi niyo pong yan, may mga iba pang argumento dyan,
04:27yung Republic Act 9851.
04:29Kasi yung local courts daw, dahil tayo ay nandun pa rin sa International Criminal Court.
04:36Pero hindi na rin po tayo member.
04:38Ngayon, ang isang sa sinusulong Republic Act 9851.
04:42Ano po masasabi niyo na ito ni Torrio?
04:43Kaya nga, alam ko yan, Section 17.
04:45Yan yung mga experts na sinasabi.
04:47Under Section 17, you know, we have the right to surrender or extradite.
04:52Ang problema kasi dyan, I do hope they will be intellectually honest to admit,
04:57the surrender aspect insofar as RA 9851,
05:02the procedural mechanism under the Rome Statute, we did not copy.
05:07The extradition, meron na tayong rules dyan,
05:09which was promulgated by the Supreme Court.
05:11Kaya nga, sa amin, we can apply it by analogy,
05:14para nalang matapos tayo eh, ayaw ng soldier dyan eh.
05:18Surrender mechanism, hindi natin kinapi yan.
05:21Iba yung recognition of a warrant,
05:23iba yung enforcement of a warrant.
05:25When you enforce a warrant, then you apply likewise,
05:28you reconcile it with the 1987 Constitution
05:31because it is the prime law of the land
05:34that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property
05:37without due process of law.
05:39Kailangan mo yan idaan.
05:41All constitutional democracies nag-follow yan.
05:44Ang daming mga kaso yan, maski konting research lang makikita yan.
05:48At saka yung big rights was really enshrined in the 1987 Constitution
05:53to protect us against dictatorship,
05:56to protect us against excesses of the government.
05:59Kaya nga, nandyan yan.
06:01Kaya para sa mga sitwasyon na ito,
06:03eh, meron na naman tayong Marcos administration,
06:06iba yung sinasabi, iba yung ginagawa.
06:08Sabi nila, hindi nila dadakpin,
06:10pero morning pa lang, nandoon na ang NBI head mismo.
06:13Doon sa Senado.
06:14So, dapat talaga, may due process dito.
06:18Okay, kung bagay na due process,
06:19kapag palabas ang local court,
06:22masasatisfy na ho itong si Sen. Bato, attorney?
06:26Yes, if this will pass through local judicial process,
06:29ang problema lang kung mag-insist sila sa surrender,
06:32wala tayong procedural mechanism.
06:34Tanungin mo lahat ng mga, ano, anong susundin?
06:37Eh, yung procedural mechanism in the Rome Statute,
06:40we did not copy.
06:42That was emphasized during the deliberations in Pangilinan versus Cayetano.
06:47Hindi natin kinopia yan sa Rome Statute.
06:52Eh, dapat sana, gusto naman nila yung surrender,
06:55eh, in-amend nila yung Republic Act 9851
06:58to include precisely the procedural steps as to what will be done
07:03if they will insist surrender.
07:05Eh, ang merong rules, eh, yung extradition lang, eh.
07:08So, dapat dito tayo sa extradition.
07:10Apo.
07:10Atonatorion, this week,
07:12baka magbukas na ang Senado bilang impeachment court,
07:15magpapakita ba si Sen. Bato?
07:17Kasi ibang entity na to, no?
07:19Manunumpana siya as judge.
07:21Anong balita mo?
07:22That is a matter which can only be decided by my client.
07:26Again, I only provide alternative courses of action to my client,
07:30but it's up to my client as to what to do.
07:32Pusibli yan.
07:33He may, he may appear,
07:35kasi wala naman talagang local warrant to barat.
07:37Pero yung prejudice lang sa kanyang safety,
07:41nakita na natin, eh,
07:42noong dumating sa Senado, eh,
07:45muntik na siyang nadakip, eh,
07:46na dapa pa nga siya, eh,
07:48na even the NBI admitted na inattempt talaga siya,
07:52NBI kami, oh, na dakpin.
07:55Yun nga lang ang medyo problema niyan.
07:57Kasi etong, ano,
07:59local authorities natin,
08:01di naman lahat, ano,
08:03eh, they treat the foreign warrant of arrest
08:06as if it is a local warrant of arrest.
08:08Yung foreign judgment nga,
08:10under Rule 39, Section 48,
08:12ipakonfirm mo na sa,
08:13mumuna sa RTC bago ma-effect yan dito.
08:17Eh, ito pa kaya ang warrant of arrest
08:18that will, you know,
08:20prejudice the liberty of a person.
08:23Dapat ito dumaan talaga sa local process.
08:25Maraming salamat,
08:26Atony Israelito Torreon,
08:27abogado ni Sando Ronald Bato de la Rosa.
08:29Ingat po kayo.
08:30Salamat po.
08:31Salamat po.
08:31Samantala,
08:32sisikapin nating kunan ng pahayagang Malacanang
08:35sa mga nabanggit po ngayong umaga
08:37ni Atony Torreon.
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