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00:01La guerra en Gaza y en Irán, la presión de la comunidad internacional, las miles de vidas afectadas por este
00:08conflicto son parte de lo que tiene en vilo al mundo entero y lo que vamos a conversar esta noche
00:14con el Presidente del Estado de Israel, Isaac Herzog, en una visita histórica a nuestro país.
00:20Mr. President, thank you so much for joining us.
00:23Thank you for inviting me.
00:24Mr. President, how do you respond to those who claim that the Israeli offensive has gone beyond the legitimate right
00:33to self-defense?
00:34I say to everybody, if you really want to judge, come over to Israel and see for yourself.
00:40We did not seek this war.
00:41On October 7th, we were attacked by thousands of terrorists who violated our international recognized boundary,
00:48who butchered and raped and burnt and took hostage of innocent civilians and killed so many.
00:56Mostly, by the way, those who supported peace, mostly with the Palestinians in Israel.
01:02And since then, the entire Middle East has changed.
01:05Because following that, proxies of Iran, the big long arms of the Iranian Empire of Evil attacked us.
01:14From Lebanon, from Yemen, and of course, from Iran, and the rest is history.
01:19And when you are bombarded by missiles of half a ton, you fight back, you eradicate the regime, the leadership,
01:27you undermine their capabilities, and you bring a historic shift in the Middle East.
01:33Was it necessary for 70,000 people to die in Gaza in order to neutralize Hamas?
01:38It's really tragic and painful, and every innocent civilian tears my heart.
01:46I can tell you that the numbers are heavily distorted, but we assume, even if there are innocent civilians,
01:56and there probably are, it's the conditions of war that are the ones who are dictating its meaning,
02:02the whole infrastructure in Gaza is a terror city underneath.
02:08Hundreds and hundreds of kilometers of tunnels, full of ammunition, missiles that were smuggled and produced,
02:16bombs and equipment, all the money that the international community poured into Gaza for the well-being of its people,
02:24went to a whole huge city of terror underneath.
02:27Now, if you're a soldier, a commander, you go in, we alert in advance according to international law,
02:34we send leaflets and text messages, we say by loudspeaker, and we go into a neighborhood.
02:40And the battle is fierce and heavy.
02:43And in many cases, Hamas took these people as hostages or simply neglected them.
02:49So, unfortunately, there were sad cases.
02:53But I can tell you that we operate strictly according to our right of self-defense and the rules of
03:00international law.
03:01Since the ceasefire in Gaza, there have been reports that Israeli armed forces continue to carry out attacks in the
03:09Strip.
03:09What then, Mr. President, is the value of a ceasefire?
03:12No, so let's put things in perspective.
03:16There's a Security Council resolution, for the first time in a long time, with almost unanimous support,
03:25saying we are now moving to a ceasefire and the next stage in Gaza, which is to disarm Hamas.
03:32Meaning Hamas has to give up their weapons, can become a political party, can join the political game in the
03:41Palestinian arena,
03:42and enable somebody, this technocratic government, to lead Gaza.
03:49Months have gone by and nothing happened.
03:51Hamas is not willing to give up its arms, is not willing to cooperate with anybody, simply procrastinating.
03:59The technocratic government in Cairo is not coming in, because Hamas is refusing to give up its arms, and it's
04:07a merry-go-round.
04:08And meanwhile, they have terrorists attacking us.
04:11That's the tragedy of it all.
04:12The people of Gaza, 2 million people, deserve better.
04:16They deserve a good life.
04:18We want to have a good life for them near us.
04:21They are part and parcel of our life, always.
04:23But it cannot be that there will be a terror infrastructure, repeating October 7th again.
04:30And this is what shattered the trust of Israelis in the peace process.
04:34We were sure we were on track on the peace process, including regional peace.
04:39And all of a sudden, it blew up by this terror attack.
04:42Now you have to get Hamas out.
04:43You have to get Hezbollah out of Lebanon.
04:45In the same way, you have to stop the arming by Iran.
04:49You have to hit on Iran so that it stops its empire of Iran, and things will change for the
04:54better in the future.
04:55What strategy is Israel pursuing to confront the international criticism that, rightly or wrongly, believes that Israel is responsible for
05:05the largest conflict currently unfolding in the Middle East?
05:09Of course, Iran, Gaza, Lebanon, and as well the economic crisis caused by the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.
05:17You're mixing, unfortunately, too many things together.
05:20This war was waged by Hamas as a proxy of Iran.
05:25Thereafter, Hezbollah joined from Lebanon, violating an agreement, a ceasefire agreement of 18 years.
05:33And after we killed Nasrallah, and we broke the backbone of Hezbollah, and we came to a ceasefire in 1924,
05:41now they violated it again.
05:43So what do we do?
05:44We let our people be, like, hanging there, shooting at them all the time in the northern border.
05:50Then you've got Iran.
05:53Iran rushing to a nuclear weapon, which is the biggest danger in the world.
05:57And then Iran rushing to 20,000 ballistic missiles.
06:01This was a clear American decision of President Donald Trump to attack them, the head of the snake, and we
06:08definitely joined in making sure that we are protected.
06:11That's the way we are.
06:13If we really want to change the course of history, we must not allow Iran to have nuclear weapons, not
06:20to have long-range missiles, and they must stop with their terror activity.
06:24And don't forget, Iran just butchered 50,000 of its people in the streets.
06:29It's not Israel's fault.
06:30It's a whole ideology of jihadist nature that wants to eradicate any Christian, any Jew, and, by the way, any
06:40moderate Muslim.
06:41Why was this the decisive moment for a military intervention of this magnitude?
06:45Because we saw in clear-cut intelligence, which was shared also, you know, by the United States and others, how
06:56they are rushing to the bomb.
06:57It's not something that's done public.
06:59It's something that is done clandestinely, hidden, operations all over, with installations.
07:06They took out all the scrutiny of the International Atomic Agency in Vienna.
07:15They did not allow inspectors to come in.
07:17They lied.
07:18They brought in equipment, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and we knew for sure that they are rushing to
07:23the bomb, and they were not far away from the bomb.
07:26And had they had the bomb, the Middle East would be gone into their hands.
07:29This is the most dangerous development because you could see in the war now with the United States and Iran,
07:36they used missiles that are 4,000 kilometers all the way to Diego Garcia from Iran, meaning that's how far
07:46it goes, way beyond London.
07:48They have strategic plans, guys.
07:51The world should wake up.
07:52And I know it's not easy for somebody in Costa Rica to understand this because, thank God, you're blessed by
07:59God in a peaceful region and in a peaceful country.
08:04But judge it from our angle.
08:07This is the only Jewish nation state in the world.
08:11We are tiny and small.
08:12We are protecting ourselves.
08:14But the issue is much larger than that.
08:16They are threatening the free world.
08:18And I say to all my European friends, we are doing your war.
08:22We are defending Europe by taking this war on our shoulders with the United States.
08:28Following what President Trump said, Iran and the United States appear to be close to reaching an agreement, right, in
08:35which, among the key points, Iran would commit to a 15-year moratorium on uranium enrichment.
08:43Will that be enough for Israel?
08:45We say we trust the United States in their negotiations.
08:49It's obvious.
08:50And we know that they know the main objective is to make sure Iran does not have the capability of
08:57getting to a weapon.
08:58The enriched uranium, which is hidden in these very sophisticated tunnels in various sites, has to be taken out.
09:07And this is part of the negotiations.
09:09Now, the blockade comes because of the Iranian operation in the Hormuz Straits.
09:17Freedom of navigation is not recognized by Iran.
09:20Here, you know that.
09:21You're a country that knows what it is, maritime freedom.
09:24They are blocking maritime freedom.
09:26And therefore, the world has to fight them.
09:29They're attacking United Armour Emirates with huge missiles.
09:32They have cruise missiles on us, on Oman, on all the way to Turkey.
09:38They're fighting.
09:39They're just sending it all over the region.
09:41It's a wake-up call for the entire region.
09:44Are you going to be part of this possible agreement?
09:46I'm sure that our government and our prime minister will be fully informed about the agreement.
09:51There's very close relations between the president and the prime minister on all of these topics.
09:57Understanding that the Iranian regime is one of the main sources of funding of these groups
10:02that are considered terrorist organizations...
10:05Taking their people's money, their people's food, and spending it on terror.
10:10What do you believe would happen if the regime were to fall?
10:13Would that mean the end of Hamas and Hezbollah?
10:16Well, I hope it will fall one day.
10:19I don't know when.
10:20I think the people are fed up.
10:22They're going through hell.
10:23And we have no conflict with the Iranian people.
10:26We respect the Iranian people.
10:28We respect their culture and we respect their history.
10:31But they were taken over by a very brutal dictatorship, which has no mercy for anybody.
10:38And one day it will happen, because that's what happens to dictators.
10:42And in my mind, if that regime falls and there's a change in Iran, the whole region will change.
10:50We had relations with Iran up until 1979 or et cetera.
10:55We had very good relations with Iran.
10:58And it was actually a very impressive Jewish story with a wonderful Jewish community.
11:04We understand that Lebanon and your country will hold a new round of peace talks on May 14 and 15
11:09in Washington.
11:09That's a great piece of news.
11:12But Hezbollah is blocking any possibility of getting to the deal.
11:16What expectations do you have about this meeting?
11:19I hope that it will be now with further details.
11:23There's one question.
11:25Who is the sovereign in Lebanon?
11:28If the sovereign is the Lebanese government, the Lebanese president, they can do a deal with us.
11:35They have to get Hezbollah, which is a terror organization, a kind of an army of their own,
11:42to stop operating and enabling the Lebanese army to take over.
11:47Do you believe that the two-state solution today is a threat to Israel?
11:52It's a huge issue in our political discourse.
11:55You know, I come from the Labour Party.
11:58I always spoke about the possibility of having a peace deal and two-state solution.
12:02But the real issue is, what can we offer now to the people that's viable?
12:07Why?
12:08Because following October 7th, it was a wake-up call also for Israelis,
12:12who said, why should we give up any border and any land if we will always be attacked?
12:17A very strong issue.
12:19Now we're in elections.
12:21There will be elections in Israel in September or October.
12:24This is one of the thorniest issues in the political discourse.
12:27So I don't intend to take direct sides on it.
12:31But I believe that the real grand vista, the grand vision should be
12:36that based on the regional cooperation and peace that we have
12:40on the arms of the Abraham Accords and the peace agreements we already have,
12:45we can then move towards a dialogue with the Palestinians.
12:49Now, Mr. President, I would like to briefly address a domestic issue in your country.
12:54We know that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is facing corruption allegations.
12:58If a plea deal is not reached, will you pardon him?
13:01So I'm pressing for a plea deal.
13:04And I've called upon the sides to come and mediate under my auspices.
13:10And I hope that they will agree.
13:13I got confirmation from the prosecution.
13:16I hope to get confirmation from Netanyahu's side.
13:19I think it will be a mistake not to do so.
13:21I think the right way is to get to a plea bargain.
13:26I would like to end this interview, of course, by talking about your visit.
13:29This is the first time Costa Rica is hosting a president of Israel.
13:32So what does your visit mean for both countries?
13:36This is an amazing visit.
13:38I always dreamt of getting to Costa Rica.
13:42We always learned about Costa Rica's affinity with the state of Israel.
13:46I was honored to be invited by President Chavez to honor the swearing-in of President Fernandez.
13:56I met with both.
13:58They're incredible friends of Israel and they've shown immense leadership.
14:02I met with Foreign Minister Tobar.
14:05We also discussed the free trade agreement.
14:08And I believe now it's a golden opportunity to triple the amount of business and trade between the countries for
14:15the benefit of the nations in so many fields.
14:18You have an incredible nation.
14:20We have an incredible nation.
14:21We share so many things from high-end technology to agriculture and science.
14:29And what's not?
14:30Everything is on the table.
14:31All we need now is business delegations, visits of ministers, and the sky is the limit, really.
14:39And there is so much to do together and a lot of love between the peoples.
14:44And I came here to express gratitude to Costa Rica and the people of Costa Rica for their incredible support
14:51of Israel throughout the ages.
14:53And I was honored to walk in the stadium and be cheered by ordinary citizens of Costa Rica.
15:00Thank you very much, Mr. President, for speaking with us.
15:04Continuamos con más de siete días.
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