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00:09They knew what they were doing and they knew that what they were doing was way in
00:16excess of what was necessary to complete the task. It's a horrible thing to say
00:20but they were a lot easier ways to kill. It was very clearly a message and one
00:27that was deployed in such an unbelievably reckless fashion that it eventually killed
00:32a British citizen and seriously injured another. I mean I don't know how to
00:39describe people like that but after Salisbury we hadn't been expecting anyone else.
01:00So
01:23you could see it.
01:36There was an ambulance that came here earlier for me.
01:39Okay, tell me exactly what happened.
01:42Well, early on, his girlfriend had a bit of a seizure.
01:47Right.
01:49He started going crazy into his mind, making weird noises.
01:56We can't talk to him.
01:59He's gone to another planet.
02:01Yeah.
02:16Our control room tasked a job.
02:19Someone collapsed in Amesbury.
02:21I think about eight miles away from Solskjaer.
02:23But it's suspicious, so police need to attend.
02:33But when we arrived, it was very confusing.
02:38The fire brigade were there.
02:40And the paramedics were wearing hazmat suits.
02:45And it was the same paramedic that dealt with the initial Novachok incident.
02:52He told us this could be Novachok.
02:55And that's when I started worrying.
03:02The occupant of that property, Charlie, was unconscious.
03:08We had intel, as possible, overdose.
03:12But his partner, Dawn, had already been taken to hospital in the morning.
03:20So, to be safe, our brigade told us that we need to evacuate the houses.
03:26And then I saw Charlie being carried to the ambulance.
03:34The ambulance went to Salisbury Hospital.
03:40And then I rang police, paramedics and fire brigade.
03:45I had their chat and said,
03:47Downgrade it from suspected Novachok to unsure what it is.
03:57The ambulance were not convinced 100%.
04:02I think that it was...
04:06..a little bit rushed at decision, if I'm being honest.
04:12So, we entered the flat to find out what could cause this.
04:18But we didn't have any protective clothing.
04:22No masks, nothing.
04:23Probably just rubber gloves.
04:29We couldn't see anything obvious.
04:31But, if I'm being honest, I was sniffing jars.
04:37Anything that possibly might have contained anything to do with drugs.
04:44But nothing suspicious.
04:47And then we left.
05:11I was in A&E when Dawn had come in.
05:15She was very, very sick.
05:19Really sick.
05:20She was unconscious and she wasn't able to breathe for herself.
05:25So, the biggest concern was the lack of oxygen to the brain.
05:30We really didn't know which way she was going to balance.
05:36There was a bit of a working diagnosis that maybe it was an overdose of some sort.
05:41But what you would use to treat a drug overdose wasn't waking her up.
05:46There was a few of us who looked after Sergei and Yulia,
05:50saying, hmm, this looks and feels very familiar.
05:56But then you have that moment of disbelief.
05:59It can't be, can it? I mean, how is that going to happen again?
06:10Then, when Dawn's partner, Charlie Rowley, also came in,
06:14clearly it was odd having both in the hospital at the same time.
06:19And that unusual nature of it, you can't quite shake that.
06:26I wanted to try and do a blood test called cholinesterase,
06:33because Novichok inhibits this enzyme.
06:37Porton Down had lent a machine to the hospital
06:40to do bedside monitoring of this enzyme.
06:43I didn't know how to use it, but there was a manual.
06:45And so I read the manual and tested both Charlie and then Dawn's blood.
06:53The test result was very low, clear-cut low.
06:57It was low to a point where I had to question had I made an error.
07:02But it confirmed my suspicions,
07:05and the only way we're going to prove it
07:08is to request support from Porton Down.
07:30I distinctly remember it was late in the afternoon.
07:35The analysts phoned me up and went, we got the result.
07:41Initially I don't believe them.
07:44I went and looked ultimately at the mass spectrometer myself,
07:51and they're pointing at a graph with a peak on it,
07:55and I could just, looking at their eyes,
07:58I could tell they weren't joking.
07:59It's Novichok.
08:02There are all sorts of questions churning through your mind.
08:07Where's this material come from?
08:09Have we missed something?
08:13We had processed tens of thousands of samples,
08:18working shifts, 24-hour-a-day operations,
08:23seven days a week, for months.
08:33And, you know, here, there were tears.
08:38People just didn't think they could do it.
08:40We thought we'd done it.
08:45And having to start again,
08:47which is what I think people were seeing it as,
08:51that was really difficult.
08:54And, and I struggle to understand.
08:58Why?
09:00Why?
09:03Why?
09:03Why would you do this?
09:04Why?
09:07Why?
09:20Why?
09:23Why?
09:24Why?
09:24I saw my friends being arrested,
09:30poisoned, killed. At some point, it will be my turn. Because I know that I'm a Putin's
09:39hit list. People who have met Vladimir Putin describe him as a person who was very disciplined,
09:50organized. They say he enjoys violence, power.
10:06He says that actually when KGB evaluated him, they said that he underestimates risks.
10:13And this is a very common feature for psychopaths.
10:20I remember when I first learned about Salisbury poisoning. It was all over the news.
10:26In Russia, the British authorities said they were poisoned using a Russian chemical weapon.
10:32With the poison, as the British special officers say,
10:37with a special poison, a poison poison which is called Novichok.
10:42We investigated and actually found a whole big infrastructure where there are scientists who produce Novichok.
10:52With evil doctors testing how Novichok works on the body and in the brain.
11:01And there are parallel forces that have their own facilities and poisons.
11:10And then you have a president using them abroad. This is crossing a very important red line.
11:18Putin knows that the crime will be attributed to him, but he doesn't care.
11:31It makes me extremely angry. I need to do everything that I can to show the world Vladimir Putin's lies.
11:55It was a very emotional moment. We've got another one. This is another attack.
12:05You're wondering how Don Sturgess and Charlie Rowling came into contact with Novichok this many months after the Skripples.
12:17So we immediately remobilised the counter-terrorism policing machine.
12:24We know exactly what needs to happen. Most of our resources are in Salisbury, still dealing with the crime scenes.
12:30They had all the forensic capability. The scientists pulled them down, DSTL.
12:35We start doing everything we did previously in terms of CCTV, house to house, what our electronic footprint looks like.
12:43We know, because of where the paramedics found them, that we're going to be concentrating on Charlie's address.
12:51Is there a link between the people who were attacking the Skripples and Dawn and Charlie?
12:58Or are they collateral damage in this international incident?
13:05Government saying, what do you know?
13:09Can we prove that the two investigations are linked and that it is clearly as a result of the GRU
13:18team
13:18that try to assassinate Sergei? The pressure is immense.
13:36The mood was just horror.
13:41Sheer disbelief. And of course we'd already lived it, so we knew what was coming.
13:50We start looking at Charlie and Dawn's movements from the Friday into the Saturday.
13:57To try and understand where was the exposure and how many people could potentially have been exposed.
14:04Because the sooner you understand that, the sooner you can shut things down and mitigate further contamination or spread.
14:13But Dawn lived in Salisbury, Charlie lived in Amesbury, so it was a wider search area.
14:26They'd spent time in Salisbury in a park called Queen Elizabeth Gardens.
14:33We know that they got a bus from there back to Charlie's Place in Amesbury.
14:39Then we know that Dawn went to hospital on the Saturday morning.
14:42But had the contact happened at the park, the bus that they travelled home on, or somewhere else, all need
14:50to come into play.
14:52And of course there was this period of time between Dawn going into hospital on the Saturday morning and Charlie
14:57becoming ill on the Saturday afternoon.
15:00And Charlie, in that intermediate time, he'd visited the chemist, he'd gone to a fete, he'd visited a food stall,
15:07he'd held hands in prayer.
15:08So the church then became a site, and the church was also the food bank.
15:14The potential ripple effect of that is, you know, how many people from the people from the people.
15:19So the scale of this was enormous.
15:30And then their photographs were circulated, and I recognised Dawn.
15:38So I'd done a community project in 2015, and Dawn had been one of the people that had attended that
15:44community project.
15:48I had spoken with her, and, you know, we had children of similar ages, we were the same age.
15:55She was incredibly vibrant, incredibly vibrant.
15:58And I remember, and it was that feeling of, wow.
16:06It's the hardest, hardest part of it all.
16:29We're alright, sorry, we're all we're all in.
16:33We're both here and we're all we're all in.
16:36We're all in together and we're all in.
16:50Dawn was really, really poorly, and she'd had so much of the treatment that had worked
16:57before, but it was becoming evident that it wasn't working as well as we'd hoped, and
17:05she wasn't responding in the way that we would have hoped, and that was really frightening.
17:14We did a scan of her brain. That sadly showed there was a large bleed in the brain, and we
17:24felt this would be unsurvivable. And that's what we explained to the family.
17:36This is a mother, a daughter, a partner, and you're telling those loved ones that it's
17:43no longer in their interest to continue, because all you're doing is slowing down their death.
17:49All we're doing cannot change the outcome. It's heartbreaking. We gave her some time to
17:59absorb that. We drew therapy. And she died.
18:21As you are all now sadly aware, Dawn Sturgis died in hospital last night at 26 minutes past
18:28eight. It is both shocking and utterly appalling that a British citizen has died having been
18:33exposed to a Novichok nerve agent. But make no mistake, we are determined to find out how
18:39Dawn and her partner, Charlie Rowley, came into contact with such a deadly substance.
18:47It's a devastating moment. That's the worst case scenario that we had been worried about.
18:56After she's died, that a very senior member of government said, what I still think to this
19:01day is one of the most appalling things I've ever heard was, which was, well thank God it's
19:06a drug addict. And I still think, I remember looking at the DG of MI5 and both of us thought,
19:15that's the worst thing we've ever heard in our careers. You know, she's a mother and a beloved
19:20mother and beloved daughter. She didn't deserve that. And I was utterly disgusted by that.
19:30It was meant entirely to mean, we won't get attacked too much by the public because the
19:36public won't care about this person. She was just a drug addict, which is what they had been
19:42told by Wiltshire police and they hadn't yet been informed that, oh no, she's not. My point
19:48on that was, why does that make a difference to you? Why does that mean she deserves any less?
19:53I'd never say who it was, but I, it was pretty disgraceful. Because they're very senior in
20:02government, they're just thinking about the optics, as they would say. But if you think
20:10like that, I do wonder why you're in public service at all.
20:20Oh, it was the most hollow, hollow feeling. I feel like I'm back there. It's horrible.
20:27You know, the first line of my job description is to improve and protect the house of my population.
20:34And she died on my watch. So I feel like I let her down.
20:51Most of us joined to get justice for people like Dawn and her family, and we were going to do
20:56that.
20:58The entire inquiry all has to step up another gear. This is now the murder of a British citizen on
21:06British soil,
21:07by what we think are the actions of a foreign state. It's bad enough that you try to assassinate
21:14two of your own citizens. You've now murdered one of ours. But we don't know where they came into contact
21:20with it,
21:21how it was adjusted, how it was applied. We don't know anything.
21:25Where's the murder weapon?
21:34In Britain, there was a woman who, as it is said,
21:37London was poisoned by the same substance that was from Krippali in Sosbury four months ago.
21:43Only strange actions of the public service.
21:45For example, someone worked in health care costumes, as if it was specially for a good shot.
21:49And there was a police in one suit.
21:54Who is responsible?
21:57There were lots of conspiracy theories in Russian TV.
22:01I need to investigate the Skripal poisoning to find the truth.
22:07But working as an investigative journalist inside Russia,
22:11it's like investigating Mordor while living in Mordor.
22:21You have a dictatorship killing people, waging wars, having no free elections.
22:29It's an insane fascist power.
22:33And you are living in Moscow, right in the heart of this evil empire, fighting for survival.
22:45But because Russia is a dictatorship, they get a lot of data about Russian people, about their travels, calls, about
22:53their health.
22:54The cameras everywhere, and you have to bring your passport.
22:59So a lot of data is kept in governmental databases.
23:05But Russia is also a very corrupt country.
23:07So some of them are sold on the black market.
23:11You can get any information on anyone.
23:14So my plan is to use all this data to find who the agents in Salisbury are.
23:24The problem is Russia is not just denying their involvement,
23:30but creating dozens of different interpretations of what happened
23:35to create the feeling that you will never know the truth.
23:40And maybe the truth doesn't exist,
23:44but sooner or later we will find it.
24:11I knew just how scared the community in Amesbury was.
24:17I knew just how scared the community in Amesbury was.
24:21So to try and prevent panic,
24:25it was important that they saw the person in charge of the investigation.
24:33But I knew there was going to be very little I could say to reassure them.
24:39I don't know how many people were in that church hall,
24:42but, I mean, it was standing room only.
24:45I understand there's some people upstairs that are watching on the webcam.
24:52I think it's, I've been told it's easier for the media if I sit down.
24:56Do you need me to speak up?
24:59Do you, I know, do you need me to speak up?
25:02You know, you've got this detective from New Scotland Yard, from London,
25:06and all the ramifications of that to rural communities like the one I came from.
25:11The tension in that room and the look in people's eyes was horrible to see.
25:17I would love to be able to stand here and say how we're certain that there are no traces of
25:22nerve agent left anywhere in your county.
25:25But the brutal reality is I cannot offer you any such assurance or guarantee at this time.
25:31At this stage, we can't say with certainty that both the incidents in March against Sergey and Yulia that Nick
25:39Bailey was affected by and this latest incident are linked.
25:43We believe that Dawn and Charlie have handled some kind of container which the nerve agent was in.
25:49And we're focusing our efforts on finding that container.
25:53It's over to you now. First question, please.
25:58You really haven't found the source of the first attack in Salisbury.
26:05So that's what you're saying?
26:08That's correct.
26:09So it can possibly still be out there somewhere in Salisbury.
26:15Yes, that is a possibility.
26:18I couldn't be definitive that there was no more Novichok out there because we haven't recovered the weapon.
26:26So worst case scenario is we're going to have somebody else who is contaminated and is going to be either
26:30critically ill or dies.
26:36Of course, the medical advice became, for God's sake, if you didn't drop it, don't pick it up.
26:41If you don't know that object, you shouldn't touch it.
26:44That's a very dramatic piece of advice and it's the one we all wish we'd given on day one.
26:51Because clearly being given after someone has died is too late.
26:57Welcome to BBC Points West.
27:00Our main story tonight, are we supposed to feel reassured?
27:03Don't pick up anything on the ground unless it's yours.
27:06The latest health warning for Amesbury and Salisbury after the Novichok murder.
27:19The forensic teams are going centimetre by centimetre, inch by inch, through the house, trying to find what Dawn has
27:29done in order to have become contaminated with this horrific chemical.
27:37I remember the moment I was told, we think we've found the weapon.
27:42I said, it's in a bottle of perfume. What do you mean it's in a bottle of perfume?
27:45We know those little testers. We think it's in a bottle and it's got liquid in it.
27:51And we think that liquid is Novichok.
27:58The perfume bottle, I think, attracted attention from the start because it didn't look quite right.
28:05The bottom part looks like a perfume bottle in the sense of it's a glass vial and then it has
28:10a top and a pump.
28:11But the nozzle on it is long. If you have a really lethal material and you're going to discharge it,
28:21what you want is quite a lot of control over where it's going to go.
28:27When we took it apart, there's some engineering that isn't normal for a perfume bottle.
28:34And we found that it contained many, many lethal doses.
28:40Far more than is required to injure or kill a handful of people.
28:49I remember the conversation saying, there's enough Novichok in there to kill 10,000 people.
28:55At which point I start thinking of this as a weapon of mass destruction.
28:58You know, normally you would think like a tactical nuke on an intercontinental ballistic missile would kill thousands.
29:08I've got a tiny perfume tester bottle full of enough liquid to do the same thing.
29:14But where has it come from?
29:26As the days progressed after Dawn had died, Charlie was looking like he was going to recover.
29:34But we just didn't know to what level of any permanent injury he might have, be it on his mental
29:40state or perhaps physical injury from nerve damage.
29:45But when we started seeing some physical recovery, it went from strength to strength.
29:51It was rewarding that he was able to have all the breathing tubes removed and strong enough to sit up,
29:59walk around.
30:01But we knew that we would have to explain what had happened.
30:07We weren't quite sure how he was going to take that on board.
30:11We also knew that the police would be keen to interview him, but that would have to be once he
30:14was ready.
30:27After Charlie woke up, he was the most likely person to give us information about how Dawn has come to
30:33her death.
30:35We were able to have a conversation with Charlie in which he talks about Dawn spraying herself with the perfume
30:42he gave her.
30:44How did you get it, Charlie?
30:46He remembered a series of events where there were several possibilities of where he may have acquired the bottle rummaging
30:53around in a bin.
30:54But he was so badly physically affected by being poisoned and he was so badly psychologically affected by what had
31:03happened to Dawn, he couldn't be definitive on any of it.
31:16Charlie had found that perfume bottle and had given it to Dawn, and Dawn then had sprayed it on herself
31:22that Saturday morning.
31:26With the first incident, obviously, the people that were putting the contaminant there would have known how dangerous it was,
31:31so there would have been a degree of being careful.
31:36Whereas Dawn would have thought she was just spraying perfume.
31:41But actually, what she is spraying is an odourless liquid.
31:47And because of that, you're not getting any scent from it.
31:50So you can assume that that tendency to keep spraying was potentially higher.
31:58And then it seems natural to me that you would spray into the room to see if you can sniff
32:02it.
32:02So that spread obviously went further.
32:05And as people, you know, come to collect Dawn, again, that touch contaminant would have spread around that flat quite
32:13easily and quite quickly.
32:15Which is possibly then how Charlie then became contaminated.
32:24How much she applied to herself, we won't know that, but clearly it was devastating.
32:32And because Charlie said he unsealed it in the house and handed it to Dawn.
32:38This is the epicentre of Novichok.
32:46It's clearly linked to the first incident.
32:49But there's no reason to connect Charlie and Dawn to the suspects.
32:55Where could he possibly have found Novichok this many months after the main event?
33:02Was there any overlapping pattern of movement?
33:05Had they come into contact at all at any point with the Russian assassins?
33:14Matching CCTV images is incredibly difficult.
33:18It takes specialist skills, interpretation and experience.
33:33Charlie gave information that he would sometimes go to ramage through bins and recover items.
33:42We're looking for whether Charlie is in Salisbury and around the time the suspects have seen.
33:50The viewing team are looking at a large volume of cameras.
33:54You spend so much time in granular detail.
33:57Hundreds of people were looked at following the same images again and again and again.
34:05But then we see Charlie.
34:11And what it does show is that he was in Salisbury and is in and around locations where our suspects
34:21have been seen on footage.
34:28We were able to review again the CCTV of our persons of interest to try and see was there anywhere
34:36where they may have deposited something.
34:40But you don't see an item that you can identify as being the Novichok being put into a bin.
34:48But we have the period where we lose them for 33 minutes.
34:52So it could have been deposited then.
34:57And then a number of bits of CCTV showed Charlie going into bins but there was no footage that gave
35:04us the smoking gun.
35:14Charlie told us one of his habits was to rummage through bins looking for anything that could be useful around
35:21charity shops.
35:23Particularly in Brown Street car park.
35:30And then we found him on the day of the Salisbury poisonings on CCTV in that car park walking near
35:37the bins at 4 o'clock.
35:40And early in that day we see the suspects on CCTV close to the Brown Street car park bins as
35:48well.
35:48So this is the overlapping movements of the suspects and Charlie.
35:54It's highly likely that our assassins resealed it, disposed of it in that bin and has been picked up innocently
36:01by Charlie.
36:03And he must have found it on the day it was discarded because those bins are regularly emptied.
36:12There is not CCTV of him holding up this bottle of perfume.
36:18There's nothing to say that that's exactly where he picked it up.
36:22Hypothetically did he find anything?
36:24Well he can't be sure he did.
36:25He doesn't know whether he found the perfume bottle in that bin at that time or not.
36:31But we think it's the most likely explanation of where he came into contact with it.
36:39And part of being a senior investigating officer is sometimes you don't have the information, the intelligence or the evidence.
36:45You have to come to the best reasonable hypothesis.
36:48And I think that's the most reasonable hypothesis.
36:52It is the most catastrophic and unfortunate series of events.
36:57Now collateral damage in the most horrific way.
37:01For something that, you know, the Russian government has put in place.
37:19The pressure on us to investigate more quickly intensifies.
37:24Every Cobra meeting is the government saying, can you link the two crimes?
37:29Is there enough of the trace element left to compare two things and say they are definitely from the same
37:35batch?
37:37If they could say that definitively, that would be a key piece of evidence to link the two.
37:42They obviously wanted to double down on the statements against Russia.
37:45But no one wants to make a mistake in being strong against Russia if it's not right.
37:51Because, you know, it's a superpower with a nuclear capability.
37:56You know, how hostile do you want to be?
38:00One diplomatic move wrong could start a spiral towards war.
38:13Statement, the Prime Minister.
38:18Our own analysis has confirmed that the exact same chemical nerve agent was used in both cases.
38:25There is no evidence to suggest that Dawn and Charlie may have been deliberately targeted, but rather were victims of
38:32the reckless disposal of this agent.
38:35Were these two suspects within our jurisdiction, there would be a clear basis in law for their arrest for murder.
38:45Mr Speaker, we repeatedly asked Russia to account for what happened in Salisbury in March, and they have replied with
38:50obfuscation and lies.
38:54Even though we knew their real identities, we went public with their pseudonyms.
39:00We decided we were not going to let Putin or the Russian government know that we knew exactly who they
39:06were.
39:07The reason for doing that was because we wanted them to be complacent and do something stupid like travel across
39:12country lines.
39:14We now have sufficient evidence to bring charges in relation to the attack on Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury.
39:20And domestic and European arrest warrants have been issued for the two suspects, and we will be seeking to circulate
39:26into poll red notices.
39:28Both suspects are approximately 40 years old, they are both Russian nationals, and they were travelling on Russian passports.
39:37The idea was to stimulate behaviour by the Russian government, stimulate behaviour by the suspects.
39:47What will they do next?
40:01When we saw the photos and the fake names published by the British authorities, I thought that I have a
40:08good chance to find who these people are.
40:12We believe that they were most likely a part of Russian military.
40:17So we decided to look for people of the same age who graduated from military academies.
40:25There are less than a dozen of them, and they published their photo albums on the internet.
40:35So after looking into hundreds and hundreds of faces, we found one who looked like Bashirov.
40:45But we couldn't be deafened because there is no name on the photo.
40:51But the web page said that he was given an award called Hero of Russia.
40:56And there is an official photo of the big statue showing all the names of those heroes.
41:06So we looked for those names in leaked databases.
41:12And we found one called Chipigo.
41:18Look at the photo and we had zero doubts. This is the same face.
41:24So we learned that Bashirov's real name is Chipigo.
41:29But we still needed to identify the other person, Alexander Petrov.
41:42When Russia creates fake passports for their secret agents, they sometimes use the original date of birth with the same
41:53first name.
41:55Only changing the surname because the closer to reality, the better because it's easier to play a game.
42:06So we discovered that you can reverse engineer the real name.
42:15So I started looking for him in our databases.
42:19But, you know, how many Alexandros were born on the date in Russia?
42:25A hundred? Even more?
42:28But using the city where the fake passports was registered.
42:34Nehru done a lot.
42:37And that's how we found his real name.
42:39It's Mishkin.
42:43Both of them are GOU officers.
42:47Most importantly, we proved publicly that Vladimir Putin was lying.
42:54This is a 2003 picture of Anatoly Chipiga.
42:58The man on the right has tonight been named...
43:00Alexander Petrov is, it turns out, Alexander Mishkin.
43:03A doctor working for Russian military intelligence.
43:06There were other agencies in the world who were doing a remarkably good job of finding out what had happened.
43:12We have to think we're very good at open source.
43:14They're very good at open source as well.
43:17I wish they worked for me.
43:31We know who they are already. We've found them.
43:34Well, I hope that they will appear themselves and tell themselves.
43:38It will be better for everyone.
43:40There's nothing special and criminal.
43:43I believe. But we'll see in the future.
43:45They are citizens?
43:46They are citizens, of course.
43:52Putin rolled them out on Russia today within days to give an excuse of what they had been doing and
44:00why.
44:01There is a famous...
44:04...sobor...
44:07...Solberetski sobor.
44:11It was so ridiculous.
44:20It was so ridiculous.
44:20As far as we can see, they haven't travelled since.
44:23But we've got European arrest warrants sworn against them.
44:28So those two people will never be active or be able to travel outside of Russia again.
44:35And they are prisoners of their own geography now.
44:46They are prisoners of their own geography now.
44:52And for Charlie and for everyone who's been affected by this.
44:56Right to the communities who have had to live with the consequences of it.
44:59I'm so incredibly sorry because they haven't...
45:02They haven't had the justice they deserve.
45:30They haven't had the justice they deserve.
45:31...
45:39THE END
46:00THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING
46:04It was very clearly a message
46:06and one that was deployed in such an unbelievably reckless fashion
46:10that it eventually killed a British citizen and seriously injured another
46:17I mean, I don't know how to describe people like that
46:24I mean, I don't know how to describe people like that
46:50I mean, I don't know how to describe people like that
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