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Believe Me - Season 1 Episode 3
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00:12I had a big win at the casino earlier.
00:14Faulty great!
00:15Oh, Al.
00:16I was wondering if you'd have a drink for me.
00:19I think I was raped last night.
00:21I used to put something in my drink.
00:22If he did do something, why would he drive you to a police station?
00:24Stop saying if!
00:27Therefore, I do have to tell you that our investigation
00:29has been closed down.
00:30It just, it feels like you don't believe me.
00:32So this taxi driver offers you a drink and you take it?
00:36He was taking me home for a fiver.
00:38I mean, it's difficult to keep saying no.
00:40The taxi driver pushed this tablet in my mouth.
00:43If he did assault you,
00:44then it would be extremely unlikely for him to drive you home.
00:47His cab would be identified on university CCTV.
00:51They're asking how you want this designated as a crime.
00:53Just tell them not known at present.
00:56Because quite some time has passed,
00:58the substance you were given may not be present anymore in your blood.
01:03So how many times you've been out with this guy, then?
01:06Four?
01:06So pretty serious.
01:07Yeah, I like him.
01:10I have been informed, Layla,
01:11that the Crown Prosecution Service
01:13has declined to proceed with any charges.
01:16If you would like to come and collect your clothing and possessions,
01:19I can arrange for somebody to hand them over to you.
01:21You're going to need to hang on to them
01:22because one day you're going to need them as evidence
01:23when you realise you were wrong about me.
01:27I'd like to report a rape.
01:29He's a black cab driver.
01:31That's four attacks.
01:32And we haven't really got started on a proper search.
01:40Over there.
01:41He's a wee fat one.
01:42You see Mummy?
01:45Mummy, yeah.
01:46Who's that?
01:47Mummy!
01:48Hello, sweetheart.
01:49Look at that balloon.
01:51Hey, do you want her?
01:54Can I say hello to your baby brother?
01:57This is Lenny.
01:58Hello, Lenny.
01:59Can I touch him?
02:00Of course you can touch him again.
02:02Good boy.
02:06Oh, big grunts.
02:09How's it feel, Daddy?
02:12I can't believe it.
02:13What do you think?
02:14He looks pretty.
02:15Oh, he is pretty.
02:16He's very pretty.
02:18You're amazing.
02:19How are you?
02:21Yeah, my back's killing me.
02:23Leaking milk all over the place, but...
02:25Happy.
02:27What do you think?
02:28He looks lovely.
02:29You don't think...
02:3630 grand!
02:38On a scratch card!
02:40I couldn't believe it!
02:42I mean, like, something like that never happens to people like me, does it?
02:46Er, no.
02:47Never.
02:49Congratulations.
02:50Anyway, I can't drink because I'm driving, so this is on me.
02:57Cheers.
03:00Cheers.
03:00Cheers.
03:00Cheers.
03:07Cheers.
03:10Cheers.
03:10No, I'm an idiot, really.
03:12You know, the first thing you do is you go and buy a bottle of champagne, then you.
03:15You win money as big as that.
03:17But, like, I'm driving, and I just didn't think.
03:20I'm so excited.
03:23What am I like?
03:34You won't believe some of the stories people tell me in this cab.
03:39What guys are prepared to pay for when it comes to sex?
03:42Can you let me out, please?
03:47Look, would you say, give someone a blowjob for a lot of money?
03:52Like, you know, like, say five grand.
03:54Would you give a guy a blowjob for five grand?
03:57Look, I've texted my husband.
03:59He'll be waiting for me.
04:00See, yeah, you're a gorgeous looking girl.
04:03I'd love to have sex with you.
04:04I want to make a few quid on the side.
04:06Let me out.
04:07Open it.
04:07Just think of it as a bit of a laugh, really.
04:09Let me out.
04:13That's my husband.
04:14Let me out.
04:16Open it.
04:24You're really wasting my fucking time tonight!
04:28My team has now taken over this investigation,
04:32and the number of attacks we are investigating has now risen to five
04:36after further searches of our database revealed
04:39another possibly linked sexual assault in June 2005.
04:44So the plan is to put out a press release on Friday morning,
04:48with the object of making the women of London aware
04:51that there is potentially a serial sex attacker out there
04:55driving a black cab.
04:57Why has a link between all these attacks only just been made?
05:00From what you've just told me,
05:02he's been doing this for a minimum of three years.
05:03So why wasn't a link spotted before now?
05:07Aren't your team supposed to be looking for links the whole time?
05:10The link was picked up during a routine review of sexual offences.
05:13Routine?
05:14Well, your other routine reviews couldn't have been very thorough then,
05:16could they?
05:17Not if this was missed for three years.
05:20We're doing all we can.
05:23One other question, why Friday?
05:26Why wait until Friday to get this out there?
05:30Plans have to be put in place.
05:32What about other girls going out in London tonight?
05:35They're in danger too, aren't they?
06:04No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
06:05You stay down there!
06:06Hmm?
06:08Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
06:18Ah?
06:24Here!
06:24Huh?
06:26Huh?
06:26What do you do?
06:27I'm doing.
06:38The key information is that we believe there is a black cab driver out there tricking women
06:44passengers into drinking a glass of champagne which he has drugged and then sexually assaulting
06:50those women. Typically he tells them he's had a win at a casino or on the lottery and that he
06:56wants them to celebrate with him. Then he offers them the champagne. Now we have linked five cases
07:04so far but we believe there are more which is why we're asking anyone who recognises this
07:10method or any method similar to this to come forward and help us identify this man.
07:16You won't believe what he said to me this time. What's he done now?
07:19I thought he was joking right? But he says if I bought you a ring would you move in with
07:23me?
07:23And I'm like what type of ring? And then he says a friendship ring.
07:28What?
07:28Exactly. I said you could get lost mate. A friendship ring. Do you want me to be your
07:32housemate? Can I get veggie sausage please? He's taking the piss isn't he?
07:37Just the one? Yeah. Thanks. Rachel. What's up? I need the supervisor.
07:47A nurse? Works at a haven centre. She said she saw the sun today. And in July of last year
07:54they dealt with a girl with an almost identical story. Driver said he'd one big at a casino
07:59offered a champagne that she was convinced was corrupt. Well that's it. That's an up six victims.
08:04Yeah. But the important bit is the cab was caught on CCTV at a university halls of residence.
08:10We've got a name and address for the driver. John Derek Warboys. Lives in Rotherhithe.
08:16Right.
08:18I don't know.
08:49What's all this about, mate?
08:50John Wall, boys.
08:53Yeah?
08:54I'm a police officer.
08:55Can you come down and open the door, please?
09:01Now, I've been out working all night. What do you want?
09:04Come down and open the door.
09:16What is it?
09:18John Derrick, all boys.
09:19I'm arresting your suspicion of six counts of sexual assault between 2005 and 2008.
09:24You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defense if you do not mention my question,
09:28something which you later rely on in court.
09:35You're on the way back to Sutton Liquidim now. House is being searched.
09:39Why didn't she flag Dave? The girl then has told us about.
09:43Yeah. Right. I, um, I checked that out. Seems it wasn't ever recorded as a crime. So there's no criminal
09:50intelligence report in the system.
09:52What?
09:53It was only logged as a crime-related incident.
09:55But that's against protocol. The starting point is that she should be believed.
10:10The starting point is that she should be believed.
10:45A suspect was arrested earlier today, so we are now asking any women who think they may have been attacked
10:52by this man to please come forward.
10:55They may well feel that something has happened to them, but might not be certain what, but it's important for
11:02everyone who recognises this man's behaviour to get in touch with us as a matter of urgency.
11:07Do I admit making a mistake getting into the back with her? Could say got in the back to help
11:14her find her stuff and she flashed her tits at me.
11:20And what would you say to any women who do come forward who are perhaps feeling scared or vulnerable?
11:26I would say that they will be supported, that they will be listened to, and that they will be believed.
11:38I'd go to Khosmuri over Phuket every time. Every time. I mean, both in Thailand, but Hannah said she sold
11:44three holidays in Khosmuri in the last fortnight.
11:47What do you think of Khosmuri? Yeah? It's alright? I'm going there next year. Defo. I love Khosmuri.
11:55She swarmed me up though. Hannah, can you order some more A4? Can you get a coconut-scented candle? Can
12:01you go out and get me a coffee? Almond milk, not dairy.
12:03I've actually got a question to ask you, Hannah. What's your man's bloody slave dial?
12:07Er, I'm sorry. I think I've forgotten something. You what? Can you just tell Hannah I won't be a minute?
12:34They didn't even warn me. It's him, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah.
12:43It is. It's him. It's exactly what he did to me.
12:49Why am I finding out about it from a newspaper? Oh, what the fuck? What the fuck am I supposed
12:55to do?
13:01Frankie, I'm just feeding the baby. Are you watching the news? What?
13:05Just turn the news on now. ICV. One sec.
13:13Typically, he tells them that he has won some cash at the casino or on the lottery. Then he offers
13:19them a drink of champagne, which he has drugged.
13:22Most of the women who have so far come forward have no memory of what happened in the period after
13:28drinking the champagne.
13:31They, er, said at the start of the report that he was a black cab driver.
13:34Mate, that's exactly how you said it happened.
13:37They wouldn't listen to me. I thought I was going mad.
13:42I know. You've got to call him, Sarah.
13:44No!
13:46Oh, I can't go through that again.
13:50What?
13:51Please just think about it.
13:54I haven't even told Dad what happened.
13:57I was told by a friend about the story in the Sun newspaper today.
14:02And when I read it, I knew straight away that this man had done something similar to me.
14:09Yes, it was in July of last year.
14:12I was told when my case was going to be closed down that one of your officers didn't think a
14:17black cab driver would risk his license by assaulting a fair.
14:20That is what was said to me.
14:23Look, what I want to know is if the man who was arrested today is the same man who attacked
14:28me last year.
14:29Can you at least tell me that, please?
14:32I don't need a name.
14:39Okay. Thank you very much.
14:41I've got to go now.
14:46It's the same man.
14:51A long time ago, five years ago, before I met you.
14:59I was raped.
15:04But nobody believed me.
15:06The police didn't believe me.
15:09Not even Connor believed me.
15:14The man who did it, he's done it to other women, too, and he's just been arrested.
15:23Come here.
15:23Um, it's just all right, I don't need to cuddle.
15:29They've put it behind me, and that's where it's going to stay.
15:33They've asked people to come forward, but I've not going to.
15:37What?
15:39You have to go to the police, Sierra.
15:42It's enough.
15:43That I know after all these years that I was right.
15:47That that man did drug me.
15:50He did attack me.
15:53Beyond that, I don't want to waste any more of my life on him.
16:11Okay.
16:13Let's start with the allegations of you touching female passengers in your cab in a sexual way.
16:19How do you respond to this?
16:20No comment.
16:22Uh, Mr Warboys will not be answering any of your questions tonight, as is his right.
16:26But he has prepared a statement, which he is prepared to read out to you now.
16:31Okay, John.
16:32Let's hear what you have to say.
16:49I am innocent of all the allegations that have been put to me.
16:54I have never made sexual contact with any passenger whilst in my cab,
16:58and I have also never administered any form of drug to a passenger, also whilst in my cab.
17:09I am innocent of all of these allegations that have been put to me,
17:13and offended that anyone would think that I, as a respected black cab driver,
17:18would be capable of behaving in this despicable manner.
17:26I'm completely innocent.
17:29Okay, John.
17:31You will be detained for further questioning,
17:33and we're also going to need some swabs and a DNA sample from you.
17:53It's been white hot all day.
17:55How many link cases?
17:5743.
18:0043 positively linked.
18:02Same description, same murders operandi.
18:04And that number is only going to rise when the lines open again tomorrow.
18:0743?
18:08Yeah.
18:08I mean 43.
18:12What is happening here?
18:3445.
18:4945?
18:5045.
18:5645.
19:02I called him a lovely man.
19:06He gave me a cigarette, and I said he was a lovely man.
19:14Can't be that I fucking said that to him.
19:18You're doing the right thing.
19:25Come on.
19:29Why did nobody tell me that you were going to arrest this man?
19:35Very sorry about that.
19:37Why did I have to find out about it through the newspapers and the TV?
19:41The answer is to do with the original team who investigated your complaint.
19:45It seems they only recorded it as a crime-related incident,
19:50and not as a crime.
19:53So your details and the details of the complaint were never...
19:57properly in the system.
19:58Right.
20:02Right.
20:05Because, you know, they...
20:08they didn't really believe anything that I said.
20:10I'm not going to sit here and try and defend the original investigation.
20:12Good.
20:13Because it appears that mistakes were clearly made.
20:18To be told effectively that I was lying was devastating.
20:25Do you understand that?
20:29Absolutely devastating.
20:32And I've had to live with that for the last five years.
20:38My parents were devastated when I left uni, but I've never told them, or my brothers, what
20:48happened to me, because we're not that kind of family.
20:50So when the police, the only people that I thought would support me, turn their backs on me, that left
21:00me totally alone.
21:01Well, if the CPS had reviewed the evidence in your case, perhaps there might have been a different outcome.
21:06But unfortunately, that is...
21:07Wait, wait, wait, sorry, you're...
21:09Um...
21:10Did you...
21:11Did you just say that the CPS did not review my case?
21:16No.
21:20I was told that the Crown Prosecution Service had looked at all the evidence
21:26and decided not to proceed, which is why they closed the investigation in the first place.
21:35No, I can tell you that the CPS did not review the evidence in your case.
21:40The decision to close your investigation was made by the senior officers overseeing it.
21:48They lied to me.
21:50I am sorry to say we haven't been able to locate your Achieving Best Evidence video
21:55or any of the items of clothing you told us about.
21:59What?
22:00None of the items you were wearing that night were where they should have been in the evidence store.
22:11I reckon they got rid of all my evidence when he was arrested because they knew it would make them
22:15look bad.
22:16I don't know if that's the case.
22:18I only hope that it isn't.
22:20Now, I'm guessing they were looking for the classic date rape drugs such as Rhypnol and didn't find any.
22:25No, no, no, but they told me that they found nothing.
22:27Like I was...
22:28Like I was...
22:29Lying?
22:30Like I was lying about being drugged.
22:32That's...
22:32The test showed diphenhydramine, which is the active ingredient in NITOL, was found in your urine.
22:38Okay, so if they'd have just...
22:41asked me, I could have told them that I've never knowingly taken that drug in my life.
22:47There were drugs in my bloodstream.
22:49Yes, uh, citalopram, codeine, uh, morphine.
22:53Uh, hang on.
22:54I've never taken citala-whatever-it-is my bloody life.
22:58It's, uh, a prescription antidepressant.
23:01Never taken an antidepressant?
23:03Okay.
23:03Why didn't they tell me they found these things in my blood?
23:07Why didn't they tell me?
23:11To feel like you're not being believed.
23:14And then to find out they couldn't even be bothered to do their job properly.
23:22I can't explain to you how angry and brutalized and bewildered I feel.
23:41I would say that, um, based on just this conversation today, you might have grounds for a formal complaint.
23:49And if you like, I could give you the... the details of who to take that to.
23:55And who would that be?
23:57It's a body called the IPCC.
24:01The Independent Police Complaints Commission.
24:05Yeah, I've heard about them.
24:08I work for a firm with solicitors.
24:12The IPCC, it's made up of ex-police officers, isn't it?
24:15Yeah.
24:17So the police market their own homework.
24:21I can tell you now they'll find that nobody did anything wrong.
24:59I can tell you now.
25:12Laila Mahmood.
25:14Laila Mahmood.
25:14I can tell you now.
25:51That's him.
26:01Sarah Adams.
26:23Oh, God, yeah, that's him.
26:40I was talking to Mrs. Purvis today at my art class.
26:45She said her daughter's decided she wants to study law.
26:49She said she warned her it's going to take many years of hard work,
26:53but the girl seems adamant.
26:57She doesn't even want to take a gap year.
27:00She's going to start in September.
27:04Admirable, don't you think?
27:12I'm going to the garden center tomorrow.
27:14If you want to come, Layla, pick up a few pots for the garden.
27:19Fancy it?
27:22No, I can't.
27:24Sorry.
27:25I have to work on Saturdays.
27:29Oh.
27:30So how's things?
27:31Yeah, okay.
27:33Work?
27:34I may enjoy it rather than enjoy it.
27:36You still smoking?
27:38Uh, no, I've quit.
27:41I mean, very occasionally.
27:44I'm still trying to stop.
27:46Why?
27:47I'm just concerned about your health.
27:48Well, it's fine, isn't it?
27:50Yeah, well, that's good.
27:51That's good.
27:52But I just, I wanted to say I'm sorry.
27:56I saw the news.
27:59And I've read the papers.
28:01I'm sorry for not believing you.
28:12Jack, go back into the kitchen
28:14and get yourself a Snickers out of the fridge.
28:16Just go into the kitchen,
28:17just take whatever you want,
28:18but just eat it in there.
28:19Yeah.
28:20Go on, Pete.
28:28Sarah, I'm sorry.
28:29Like, I'm so sorry.
28:31I was in a room the other day.
28:34It was full of women
28:36waiting to do identity parades.
28:38It almost killed me.
28:44All these women
28:45who'd gone through what I went through,
28:48who would have been spared if...
28:52if they'd only believed me.
28:54Yeah, but you can't blame yourself.
28:56Can't I?
28:59Did I try hard enough?
29:00Yeah, you did.
29:01I know you did.
29:02Just...
29:03Sorry.
29:09You know what?
29:10Life's okay.
29:11I'm happy enough.
29:14Gavin's a nice guy,
29:15and we've got Lenny and I.
29:20I thank God every day for him.
29:26But I should have still been here, Connor.
29:30Living with you.
29:32Jack should have been living with his mum and dad.
29:36It should have been your wife.
29:39I loved you.
29:39I love you.
29:48That's how much this has fucked up my life.
29:55But thank you for your apology.
29:59I accept it.
30:05Jack?
30:10Uh...
30:10What's that?
30:13Come on.
30:18See you on Monday.
30:19Mm-hmm.
30:21See you later, mate.
30:46We're going to proceed in court with charges relating to 14 of the women he attacked.
30:4914.
30:52But there are loads more than that.
30:54The CPS want to keep the case as simple as possible for the jury.
30:58They're worried it could get bogged down in too much detail.
31:01I'm not entirely sure I agree, but...
31:04Okay.
31:04We want you to be one of the 14.
31:07And give evidence in court against war boys.
31:10Me?
31:11Me.
31:11But I'm still not sure what he did to me.
31:13That doesn't matter.
31:15You know, his offending had a pattern to it.
31:17And your experience exactly fits that pattern.
31:20And crucially, you had a really good recollection of most of your journey home with him.
31:28And the CPS also think that your mother's evidence about knowing that you weren't drunk,
31:34she thought you'd been drugged, will also be helpful.
31:38So you want me to give evidence too?
32:00I see it.
32:02I see it.
32:05I see it.
32:12Okay, so we've heard from the CPS.
32:15The plan is that 14 of the women are going to speak in court.
32:20But they won't be asking you to testify.
32:26Why?
32:27Well, the thing is, you...
32:28You didn't pick him out in the ID parade.
32:33It had been a long time, and he looked really different with me that night.
32:37And because so much evidence from your case has been lost?
32:40Fucking destroyed, in my opinion!
32:45It's about not giving the defence an opening, Sarah.
32:52That's hard.
32:54Because I wanted to look the bastard in the eye and tell everybody what he did to me.
33:00I wanted to have my moment in court.
33:04I wanted to look him in the eye and say,
33:06yeah, I'm sending you to prison because that's where you belong.
33:11I know.
33:12I'm sorry, Sarah.
33:14Sometimes in these big cases, it's easy to overwhelm a jury.
33:19So the strategy is to stick to the offences where we've been able to collect the most comprehensive evidence.
33:28And 14, is that enough?
33:30Well, the CPS are confident that this will give the trial judge enough ammunition to put him away for a
33:36long, long time.
33:44Mr. Warboys freely admits a good deal of the circumstances surrounding these events.
33:50For instance, he has always actively sought to engage female passengers in conversation in his taxi cab.
33:59Banter, as he calls it.
34:00And he sometimes did this by telling them, falsely, that he had won money that night through gambling and by
34:10showing them a bag filled with cash.
34:12But he says this was simply a conversation starter.
34:16And his objective was not sexual.
34:19It was simply female company.
34:21It was an icebreaker in that respect.
34:25He is adamant that any sexual contact between him and any woman in his taxi was consensual.
34:33That it was non-penetrative.
34:35And that it was initiated by those women.
34:44No, I don't remember feeling scared that night.
34:47You didn't feel threatened by Mr. Warboys?
34:50No, I actually thought he came across as sort of pathetic.
34:53Not some sort of predatory monster.
34:56Just a normal taxi driver engaging in some banter with you.
35:01I actually think that harmless demeanor is what makes him so dangerous.
35:06Precisely because he puts you off guard as he hands over his drinks from the front.
35:10He's like a professional conman.
35:14It's clear.
35:15Would you agree that your daughter had been drinking that night?
35:18A few drinks, correct.
35:21So I put it to you that it's reasonable to assume that she was intoxicated?
35:26I've never seen her intoxicated.
35:29She rarely drinks alcohol.
35:31She was in distress.
35:33She was insensible.
35:35She was like a rag doll.
35:37There was something else in her system.
35:39She was vomiting continuously.
35:43You don't get like she was that night, just from a few drinks.
35:57I swear by Allah that the evidence I shall give shall be the truth.
36:01The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
36:09Two large glasses of red wine.
36:14Yes.
36:15And you drank those.
36:17And then you go to the toilet.
36:18And you are sick.
36:21Yes.
36:22I sometimes get nauseous when I'm on my period.
36:26But that was not going to deter you from your plans for that evening.
36:29And you went back to your friends and carried on as normal.
36:33In your statement, you say you then had two vodkas and lemonade.
36:39Yes.
36:40And did your drinking stop there?
36:43Or did you have rather more to drink that night than you've told us about?
36:48Not that I remember.
36:50Shortly after you got into his taxi, Mr. Warboys handed you a glass of something bubbly.
36:56Maybe champagne.
36:58Something like that.
37:00And you drank that, too?
37:03Yes.
37:05Why?
37:07Because he forced me to.
37:10He wouldn't take no for an answer.
37:12Oh, but he's driving.
37:13He's in the front of the cab.
37:14Yes, but he just, he kept persisting and persisting and persisting.
37:19But he can't actually force you to drink it, can he?
37:21Well, he forced me to take the pill.
37:23We'll come to that in a minute.
37:24My question to you is why you felt you had to drink that champagne when you were not obliged to.
37:34Because he wouldn't take no for an answer.
37:39Or is the reality that he was being a very chatty and personable taxi driver, engaging in some banter with
37:45you,
37:46who'd offered you a drink, and which you had accepted and drank perfectly happily?
37:52No.
37:54You say you remember him getting into the back of the cab with pills in his hand, and that he
38:01forced one into your mouth, right?
38:03Yes.
38:04And what are you doing to resist?
38:10Well, I'm...
38:12I'm trying to move him away from me.
38:16So you were perfectly able to struggle and resist.
38:19Yeah.
38:21But you don't mention struggling and resisting in your police statement.
38:27Well, if it's not there, it's not there.
38:31But I was...
38:32I was feeling quite drowsy after he made me drink the champagne.
38:36And after the pill went down, your mind is pretty much straight away a blank thereafter.
38:43Yes.
38:45So we really are in the realms of almost instant unconsciousness.
38:52Yes, that's right.
38:53Well, I suggest to you that you'd already consumed a large amount of alcohol before you got in Mr. Warboy's
38:59taxi.
38:59And that he did not give you a pill or force it down your throat.
39:03Do you disagree with me?
39:04Yes.
39:05And you can't make up your mind whether you could or couldn't fight him off,
39:09or did or didn't have a lot to drink, or pretty much anything else that night,
39:12because you were so intoxicated.
39:29Layla, I just want to thank you for giving evidence.
39:32I don't think there's any doubt he'll be found guilty.
39:36Yeah, I thought you held up really well in there.
39:38Did you?
39:39Yeah.
39:41Yeah, that was tough.
39:43Layla, can I get you anything, a cup of tea?
39:45No, thanks.
39:46I'd just like to go home.
39:47I'm Debbie from the police press office.
39:50I just wondered if you'd consider waiving your anonymity and providing us with some media interviews.
39:55What?
39:56We just thought if someone could stand up, someone articulate like yourself,
40:00and talk about what had happened to you,
40:02this might encourage more women to come forward.
40:04No.
40:05No, I can't.
40:06I can't do that.
40:07I'm sorry.
40:08You've got the wrong person.
40:10Sorry.
40:27Hi, I'm sorry.
40:28I'm Sarah.
40:29Do I know you?
40:30I've been through exactly what you've been through.
40:33Have you got time for a coffee?
40:36I wanted to punch that fucking barrister in his stupid face.
40:42Like, why is it okay for him to make out I'm a liar?
40:46He was going through every tiny thing in your statement in minute detail,
40:50just trying to find some little thing to pick away at.
40:52Why is that still happening?
40:54I was raging too, just watching.
40:56What is the point of this farce?
40:57He's fucking guilty.
41:00You know, I've been looking into bringing a complaint against the police for the way they treated us.
41:04With me, there was so much stuff that they missed out in the first few weeks.
41:08It was just ridiculous.
41:10Yeah, but it's their own disciplinary people, isn't it?
41:13What's the point?
41:14I'm not talking about going through the IPCC.
41:17I want to make some proper noise.
41:19I'm looking into suing them.
41:21Suing?
41:23Yeah.
41:24There's a lawyer I've been put in touch with who might be prepared to take it on.
41:29She's called Harriet Wistrich.
41:31She's got a great reputation.
41:34But I can't do it by myself.
41:36I had a quick chat with her and she said it'd be a much stronger case
41:39if there was someone else who had been through the same thing.
41:42So you're asking, do I want to sue the police with you?
41:48Well, yeah.
41:50You don't have to make a decision.
41:53Yes.
41:54What?
41:55Yes.
41:56Let's sue the bastards.
41:58Oh.
41:59Great.
42:00Yeah.
42:20You developed and perfected a web of deceit that was sufficient to ensnare young, intelligent
42:28and sensible women who had enjoyed a night out, and whose only mistake, as it turned out,
42:34was to get into your cab late at night.
42:39There is no doubt that you continue to constitute a significant risk of serious harm
42:44through the commission of further offences.
42:47I therefore pass down on you an indeterminate sentence of imprisonment for public protection,
42:54with a minimum custodial term of eight years.
43:14I wouldn't worry about the eight years.
43:17As I understand it, the judge had to give a number, but a parole board still has to decide
43:22if it's safe to release him, and I can't see that happening.
43:26Eight years did spook me a bit.
43:28Yeah, he's not getting out.
43:30Anyway, Carrie, thanks for agreeing to do some interviews.
43:33I think if someone like yourself, someone so articulate, can stand up, then it will encourage
43:39more women to come forward.
43:40I'm nervous, but if it gives others a voice, it seems like the right thing to do.
43:44Thanks again.
43:45Yeah.
43:45I'll start to get some things set up, okay?
43:47Okay.
43:48Thanks, Carrie.
43:50What have you got to do?
43:51Well, just some interviews about what happened to me.
43:54They need someone to waive their anonymity and be a focal point.
43:57My goodness, do you think that's a good idea?
43:59You're so young.
44:00Do you want this hanging over you?
44:03Well, they said it's important that more people come forward.
44:09I'm just sick of us all being on the back foot, Mum.
44:16Could he really get out that soon?
44:18Because the thought of him ever being released terrifies me.
44:21Me too.
44:21Well, theoretically, yes.
44:24After eight years, he could apply for parole, but in order to do that, he'd first have to
44:29admit to what he's done.
44:30And his position has consistently been that he is totally innocent.
44:35Right, so not just a psycho, a fake psycho.
44:38So his position is 105 women have all just made it all up?
44:42It's up to 105 now.
44:44Well, I was told the actual number might be nearer 500.
44:48Is that correct?
44:49That's what the police said.
44:51So what do you think, Harriet?
44:53There's potentially hundreds of women out there who have suffered needlessly because
44:56the police didn't do their job properly.
44:59They shouldn't be allowed to get away with what they've done.
45:01Well, neither of you qualifies for legal aid, so you're asking me to take this on on a
45:06no-win, no-fee basis?
45:08I'm afraid we are, yeah.
45:12Okay.
45:13Firstly, the problem is you can't sue the police for negligence.
45:17Why not?
45:18The law states that if they could be sued, they wouldn't be able to do their jobs properly
45:21because they'd always be looking over the shoulder waiting for the next writ.
45:24It's just how the law is, I'm afraid.
45:28But my advice would be to pursue this under the Human Rights Act and argue that the police's
45:33actions...
45:34Or inactions.
45:35Or inactions.
45:37Infringed on your right to not be subjected to inhuman or degrading treatment.
45:42Well, that exactly describes what happened to us.
45:45Yes.
45:46The only problem is, is that it's never been done before.
45:50And, um, in your case, Sarah, there is a statute of limitations issue.
45:54You must take an action within one year, and it's been five years since the police investigated
45:59your case.
46:00And in your case, Leila, they could argue that, however ineffective their initial investigation
46:04was, they did ultimately arrest the correct man.
46:08Shall we close the door on the way out, then?
46:10But the first thing I would do is I would contact the police and declare our intentions.
46:16Now, they will jump up and down, tell us we don't have a legal leg to stand on and that
46:19we're out of time, but they will have to disclose to us statements and other
46:24evidence.
46:25And I'm betting that will throw up some pretty interesting stuff.
47:01And I'll see you next time.
47:01We'll see you next time.
47:04We'll see you next time.
47:05We'll see you next time.
47:06We'll see you next time.
47:06We'll see you next time.
47:06We'll see you next time.
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