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Girl on the Run: The Hunt for Americas Most Wanted Woman - Season 1 - Episode 03: The Female Charles Manson Eng Sub
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00:30No doubt, law enforcement was under incredible pressure.
00:33The prison that let her go was embarrassed by this.
00:37We didn't know what she was going to do.
00:39It's kind of like a caged possum.
00:41If you push them in the corner, they're going to bite you.
00:43That was her urgency in finding her.
00:50And then, you know, all my bosses are talking to their bosses
00:53and talking to their bosses in Washington.
00:55I was informed by my supervisor.
00:57And he had been in communication with America Most Wanted.
01:00Everyone ready?
01:01That wasn't my call. That was their call.
01:02But at that point, I had nothing else to lose.
01:04Here comes the roller coaster again.
01:07Good evening.
01:08Now, our first story tonight is about an artist.
01:12Everybody was at the TV to watch this segment.
01:15Some artists can take a block of clay and manipulate it
01:19and mold it into anything they can think of.
01:21She manipulates people instead of clay.
01:24And I remember thinking, that's not me.
01:28And even when she was sent off to prison,
01:30she never stopped working her craft.
01:32They don't have a clue.
01:34They don't know who they're looking for.
01:36Everyone around her was putty in her hands.
01:49Rockville Correctional Facility, Rockville, Indiana.
01:54A place more than 1,000 women call home.
01:58Tom and I were in a hotel room.
02:01And we watched what America's Most Wanted aired.
02:06One of those women was Sarah Pender.
02:09This is her entertaining some of her fellow prisoners.
02:12The longer I watched myself on TV, the worse it got.
02:19I mean, I'm not stupid.
02:21I knew what they were doing.
02:23But behind her angelic good looks and endearing persona,
02:28former Marion County Deputy Prosecutor Larry Sells says Sarah Pender is a woman to be feared.
02:35She has a Charles Manson-like ability to manipulate people to act as surrogates for her in committing crimes.
02:45Everything, you know, America's Most Wanted, that wasn't the person I saw.
02:48That wasn't the person I knew.
02:49That wasn't the person I talked with.
02:52All that stuff sort of ramped up the scrutiny and the pressure and the fear of her.
02:59Not just in Indiana, but obviously since it's been on America's Most Wanted,
03:06everyday normal civilian people are going to be looking out for her.
03:11Sarah's a convicted murderer.
03:13She's a con.
03:14She's a convict.
03:15She did con some cons to help her.
03:17But since she's been out, she's flushed them down the toilet as if she flushed the two bodies in the
03:22back of a dumpster.
03:23But manipulation is a story.
03:26I hate to say it.
03:30But it's very common for a man to blame a woman for their actions.
03:37Men will point the finger and say, the woman made me do it.
03:42Pender is like a chameleon.
03:44We know she's manipulative.
03:46And she probably is already working her charms on someone new.
03:51Let's put Sarah Pender back behind bars tonight.
03:55When America's Most Wanted had gotten involved, it generated a ton of leads.
04:02You know, she's at her truck stop right now in Nebraska.
04:05Or she's in Oklahoma.
04:06We started, you know, it's just like tips were all over the country.
04:11From Minnesota, California, Florida, Texas.
04:15I mean, there was no nexus to these locations.
04:17So you couldn't let these tips lay dormant.
04:21You had to go.
04:23So, it was a trade off, but I knew though that it was not favorable for her.
04:28It just keeps on putting the pressure on any movements that she may be trying to make or not be
04:33able to make.
04:35I was obsessed with the hunt.
04:39That's kind of a crazy word to use.
04:43I guess I was a little obsessed.
04:49After America's Most Wanted aired, friends that I turned to whenever I needed help, now they were gone.
04:59Every moment was tainted with knowing that just a glance or someone that I'd been in prison with or someone
05:11with a great memory was going to spot me.
05:16And of course, again, I dyed my hair.
05:22And I bought colored contacts, changed my eye color to hazel.
05:29I went to the eye doctor.
05:30I bought glasses.
05:33I did not know how long my relationship with Tom was going to last.
05:40I felt like it was important for me to keep moving.
05:45So Tom had arranged for me to stay with the niece of a friend of his, and it just happened
05:51that a friend of hers was looking for an estimator for a construction company that his dad owned.
06:00And I got on the bus, and I just pretended that everything was fine.
06:22A couple weeks later, it was literally ferreting through a bunch of leads from all over the country that were
06:28absolutely crazy leads.
06:31I mean, I had stacks and stacks of stuff that came in from America's Most Wanted that I'm like, I
06:37don't have time to go through.
06:38I mean, these were just like nutty people.
06:39But it's what it was.
06:40It was leads, but it was just not very tangible leads.
06:46And then all of a sudden, I had a call from an internal affairs investigator at Rockville.
06:50And he was my eyes and ears internally in the prison.
06:55Now, the Department of Corrections, I wasn't aware of this.
06:57They have an email system set up where anybody can send messages to and from the offenders.
07:03They got an email.
07:05It was directed to this inmate.
07:08Her name is KP.
07:10She used to have a relationship with Sarah.
07:13They thought Sarah may be trying to contact KP using another offender's login.
07:22Is she going to be that stupid to use a login of another person and try to communicate with her
07:26former girlfriend inside?
07:28We couldn't ignore it.
07:32We surrounded the house where Pender was maybe using this account.
07:37The American Most Wanted crew were there with the anticipation of this could be it.
07:42This could be the one.
07:44We were ready to rock and roll with what we call shock and awe.
07:48You know, waking people up.
07:51You got a search warrant. Come on out.
07:52Do you know what this is about?
07:53No, I don't have a clue.
07:54All right, we're searching for a girl.
07:56What girl?
07:56Sarah.
07:57It scared him to death when the audience came to the door.
08:00She's got 110 years out of her head. You don't.
08:05She could have been there.
08:07Unfortunately, Daybreak revealed Pender was nowhere in sight.
08:11He said it was truly an offender.
08:13They were reaching out to KP.
08:15Nothing more than that.
08:17Sarah had nothing to do with that.
08:19The best thing now, I'm going to back up out of here.
08:22Let the dust settle for a couple of days.
08:24Is that a feeling of embarrassment a little bit?
08:27That there you are on national television?
08:29No.
08:30No.
08:31No.
08:31I don't give a shit about where America's most want to put it with me.
08:34I didn't care about what washed.
08:36They were doing their Hollywood shit.
08:38Okay?
08:38Did it keep the light on Pender?
08:40It kept the light on Pender.
08:54Being on the run, I had no idea what I was really getting myself into.
09:02But Chicago was very convenient.
09:07I felt like I could blend in.
09:14Each day, I went to work, and I felt like a normal person.
09:20I would put my high heels in my backpack, put on my tennis shoes.
09:27Listening to the sound of my footsteps on the pavement as I walked up to get lunch.
09:33I don't know if I ever forgot that I was a fugitive, but there was not a time that I
09:39did not enjoy experiencing new things.
09:43I met this guy on the corner, walking his two dogs, and chatted him up about, where did you get
09:52your dogs?
09:53And he had rescued them from someplace, and it was just, it was the most normal, beautiful thing.
10:05And I thought, this is real life. This is real life.
10:14Those are the times that, those are the times that being a fugitive didn't matter.
10:29Hinder is on the 15 most wanted fugitive list, but she might not look like this.
10:34Police say she has cut her hair, colored it multiple times, added a nose ring and a tongue piercing.
10:40They've got 15 in their profile, and she's the only woman on there.
10:44It's individuals that the U.S. Marshals at the federal level feel are the most dangerous people that they are
10:49actively hunting.
10:53It was really odd to see that I was on this top 15 list.
11:01I knew that I wasn't dangerous.
11:03I know that I'm not a threat to the community, but they don't know that.
11:08I have strong belief that she hasn't left the state of Indiana.
11:12If she has, it's just been for a short stint.
11:16I'm real dangerous with my charming smile.
11:24Sorry.
11:27When Sarah was elevated to the U.S. Marshals Top 15 poster, with that came a $25,000 reward.
11:33And all that is is to get people to drop a dime on her.
11:36I was hoping that eventually the U.S. Marshals would just give up and find something else to do more
11:42important.
11:43She may think she knows her capabilities, and she was good.
11:49But I wouldn't want to be her right now.
12:07I worried about Sarah every day.
12:11I lost my daughter because she has to be on the run.
12:18I don't know how to explain it.
12:20It messes with your mind, you know, to not know for sure what's around the corner.
12:32Thanksgiving, it's a time of being thankful.
12:36Knowing that she was still alive, I was thankful for that.
12:44But it's hard not to have your family together.
12:47You're sitting at the table.
12:51On Thanksgiving Day, Tom left to see his family.
12:58And so I walked down to the Denny's down the street and picked up a traditional Thanksgiving meal with two
13:07pieces of pecan pie.
13:11Yeah, it was lonely.
13:19When I was sitting in my apartment, I had bought a guitar.
13:24Just a cheap acoustic guitar.
13:27And I had to go in my room to play it because I was afraid that my next-door neighbor
13:32would hear me playing and singing.
13:35And that was one of the things that they had put on America's Most Wanted is that I like to
13:40sing and play guitar.
13:44And I thought, I have to hide this.
13:47I have to hide this part of me.
13:51I couldn't be myself because then I would be too much like Sarah Pender.
13:59It was emotionally exhausting.
14:05I just wanted to resume my normal life.
14:11Investigators say Sarah Pender is on the loose and dangerous.
14:15We've received numerous tips and calls.
14:18But here lately, they have since dried up.
14:22Wanted fugitives are usually on the run for, you know, days, maybe weeks.
14:26Very rarely are they months.
14:28When I was hunting Sarah, though, she was all-encompassing in my mind from when I went to sleep and
14:35then I woke up.
14:36Others have talked to them.
14:37And a lot of times, I'm watching TV with my daughter and my son and my wife.
14:42And my phone rang.
14:44I mean, from state police detectives to internal affairs to America's Most Wanted.
14:50They were all trying to get information to me.
14:54Every lead I went to, everything I went and checked out, you have hope and you have, you have what
15:01if.
15:03I was gone all the time.
15:06And I was coming up empty-handed.
15:10And then I fell down the deep hole of, I started drinking too much.
15:20I would decompress in the evening with absolute vodka and wake up with a headache in the morning.
15:28I suffered, chasing her ass for four or five months.
15:35Yeah, I take ownership if I wasn't around.
15:39So, that's all I want to say about my personal life.
15:48The fear is not about returning to prison, because I know what prison is.
16:01The fear was that I would lose my freedom, not that I would go back to prison.
16:10One thing is punishment, and the other one is loss.
16:18I had started packing my things because I was moving in a couple of days to a new apartment.
16:28It kept me on the move to avoid detection.
16:35And then, it was a loud knock, it's 11 o'clock at night.
16:43And he says, maintenance.
16:46And I shuffled across the parquet floor in my little pink slippers.
16:52And I remember looking out the peephole.
16:58And I see these four strapping men.
17:03I think a couple of them had on, you know, bulletproof vests.
17:09My initial reaction is, grab my go bag, go out the back.
17:14There was a back stairwell.
17:16My escape route.
17:21And I paused.
17:25This was it.
17:26You got me.
17:28The universe let me out of prison.
17:30And now the universe is telling me it's time to go back.
17:34And I opened up the door.
17:37Just let me get my shoes.
17:49And here are four men escorting me out of the building in handcuffs.
17:57Just walking to the car.
18:02Like, nothing else is different in the world.
18:22I remember I was in a car, driving with my family, going to see my in-laws.
18:28And I got a phone call saying that Pender was apprehended in Chicago by an anonymous tipster.
18:35That's how I found out.
18:36Merry Christmas.
18:38December 2008.
18:41It would have been nice to be the one to track her out and put the cuffs on her.
18:44Yeah, but you guess what?
18:46She didn't outwit us.
18:48She was put back in the cage.
18:50I turned my family around.
18:52I went to Chicago.
18:59When I finally got to meet Sarah, the first thing she said, she goes, you know what?
19:03You're a much better looking person.
19:07He didn't strike me as someone particularly special.
19:15Basically, Ryan had been obsessed with finding me for four months.
19:21Ryan talked to me like I knew him, like he knew me.
19:28There was a relief.
19:29She was happy to see me.
19:31I was happy to see her because she's tired of running.
19:34She told me she was tired.
19:35She wasn't the only fugitive that I've caught through.
19:37She's like, yeah, I'm tired of running.
19:38I'm tired of looking by my back.
19:40Does Ryan Harmon know you?
19:48Ryan Harmon knows me as much as you know me.
19:55And we got in the car to take her back to Indianapolis.
20:05We had U.S. Marshals undercover following her out of Chicago.
20:09I was in the backseat with her and I put a digital recorder in my pocket.
20:12I hadn't known, I didn't know anything about who helped her while she was on the run.
20:17I had plan A, B, C and D, you know.
20:20And my friends like it really.
20:21I don't like this guy.
20:22He's older.
20:23He's in his 50s.
20:24He's very clean cut.
20:26What was his name?
20:28His name was Tom.
20:31That's when she first divulged to meet her friend Thea.
20:34Had to introduce her to a guy by the name of Tom Welch.
20:37Tom is someone who is, he's a sex addict.
20:41And so he spends a lot of time and money in strip clubs and what have you.
20:47So basically in the beginning it turned into an arrangement.
20:53He's the one that sent her to Cincinnati and the act of Chicago and gave her a phone and gave
20:58her money and all for getting her nuts off.
21:02But man, I didn't expect to hear what I heard.
21:06And I was so goddamn close to getting her.
21:09If he hadn't entered the picture, I mean she was choked.
21:12Law enforcement pulling to the Indiana women's prison in this maroon Taurus.
21:17Sarah Pender in the left back seat.
21:19Pender now with red hair wearing a Purdue sweatshirt.
21:22They escort her inside the prison.
21:25News everywhere outside the prison.
21:28I mean, it was, I walked into a guillotine of like a, it was crazy.
21:32Sarah, how does it feel to get caught?
21:35And then...
21:43I gave my life for that hunt.
21:47But I lost a lot.
21:50I lost my marriage, my children right after this capture.
21:54I didn't know that was gonna happen.
21:58Didn't surprise me when it happened.
22:00But it happened.
22:01Because it hurt.
22:04Big question there.
22:08Was it worth it?
22:12I don't know.
22:17The date is January 8, 2009.
22:21Time is approximately 1.30.
22:23I'm present with a Tom Welsh reference Sarah Pender matter.
22:28Tom, if you could just start me at the beginning.
22:31Once upon a time.
22:33First time I met her, we were at the hotel there at Speedway.
22:37We were literally six, eight, ten hours of just sex.
22:44Just, you know.
22:45And so, I hate to say it, I started to have feelings after about the third day.
22:49I mean, we're dating.
22:50We are frickin' dating.
22:51It's not like, oh, there's a cop.
22:53There was none of that.
22:54She's on the run.
22:56She's a U.S. Marshal's top 15 fugitive.
22:58And you're carrying on a relationship like you picked her up off of Tinder.
23:03I wasn't hiding anything.
23:04I just got into a love thing.
23:09And then when I saw that she was captured, that's when my world came apart.
23:14Not only that you were gonna, or somebody was gonna talk to me, but my wife.
23:21He told me his story with the attorney present because the prosecutor agreed to give him a proper statement,
23:25which means you give him a clean-up statement, it won't prosecute you.
23:28Well, I listened to what he had to tell me.
23:30He should get 24 years.
23:39When I was returned to prison, they told me that I was sentenced to one year in solitary confinement.
23:50That was an administrative move, which certainly we have that latitude.
23:55If we feel like somebody's still a danger to other inmates, to whatever,
24:03if they're a danger, we'll keep them locked up.
24:07I was told by officers, by staff,
24:11you embarrass the Department of Corrections.
24:13Therefore, they're gonna keep you in solitary confinement.
24:21Solitary confinement is cold.
24:24Nothing but steel and concrete.
24:27There's a concrete slab with a thin mat with a steel toilet and a steel sink.
24:34And that is it.
24:37All you have is your mind, and it just ravages you.
24:41And you think about all the things that I had done.
24:45All the things that I didn't do.
24:49It just eats, eats at you in this cycle.
24:53And, and you can't get it to shut up.
25:03In my mind, I thought I was getting out at the end of the year.
25:07But I was told that I would not be released.
25:11And when they told me it was indefinite,
25:17my mind started, like, winding down almost.
25:28So I was sitting on the floor, and I was trying to play solitaire.
25:36But the numbers didn't make any sense to me.
25:47I see things, but I don't know.
25:52Something is happening, something is happening.
25:54I don't know what's happening.
25:55Something is happening to me.
25:58Literally, in my mind.
26:02And I'm just ripping apart, and just this part of me just floats away.
26:12And then nothing.
26:14I have no thoughts.
26:15I have no feelings.
26:18Nothing.
26:19It was just, like, white noise.
26:25Whenever I would think about the future,
26:35I couldn't see it.
26:41And there was just this darkness.
26:43There was this abyss.
26:49I just kept sliding.
26:52And I was afraid.
26:53I was very afraid to lose my mind.
27:12I knew.
27:14I knew that it was taking its toll on her.
27:17But I didn't know how to help her.
27:19I didn't know what to say.
27:21I didn't know, you know, where to go.
27:24What do I do?
27:28It was close to Mother's Day.
27:31And I get a phone call around 8 o'clock.
27:34It was in the evening.
27:37It was Larry Sells, the prosecutor.
27:41And he says, Bonnie, I've done 72 murder cases.
27:46And one was a mistake.
27:48And that was Sarah.
27:50And she started crying.
27:52She said, Bonnie, you may not believe this,
27:57but it's my opinion based upon what I know now,
28:00that your daughter Sarah did not receive a fair trial.
28:05After Sarah was arrested,
28:08an author by the name of Stephen Miller
28:11decided he was going to write a book on the case.
28:13So he asked me if I'd go to homicide department with him
28:20to help him look at the homicide file.
28:24So I got it out, and we were going through it,
28:26and I recollected most of the stuff was there.
28:31But there was a file there that said Floyd Pennington.
28:36He testified against Sarah that she admitted to him
28:40that she got Rick Hall to commit these murders.
28:44And inside the file, there were two legal-sized sheets of paper.
28:50And I saw what it was.
28:53I said, oh, shit.
28:56There was a whole list of violent criminals,
29:00drug dealers, criminal gangs,
29:02and even somebody named Pennington,
29:06a relative of Floyd's that was there.
29:08I call it a snitch list.
29:10And it was a list of people
29:12that he would turn in to get a better deal.
29:16It was like a rat crawled up out of the sewer
29:19to try to gain some advantage for himself
29:23and convince me that he was telling the truth about Sarah Pender,
29:27maybe because I wanted to be convinced.
29:31I mean, I should have had that.
29:33I don't know why they didn't give it to me.
29:37But it made me realize that there was more to the Sarah Pender case.
29:46In 2013, when I was a reporter for the Indianapolis Star,
29:50and Larry had called me and said,
29:54look, I have some problems with this case.
29:57I need to tell you about it.
29:59One thing that, especially after the trial,
30:02years after the trial,
30:04I recognized was something that should have been considered
30:07even more than it was at the time,
30:12was the letter identified as being written by Sarah
30:15where she confessed to the murder.
30:20I knew in my heart that she didn't write this letter.
30:25And I thought, there's no way.
30:28What, you know, where'd you come up with this?
30:31I had five handwriting experts
30:34that all said the same thing,
30:37that she did not write that letter.
30:42The circumstances around how that letter was delivered to prosecutors
30:47was always a little bit suspect.
30:49It was not found by the guards.
30:53It was handed over by Rick and his attorney.
30:59I recall he had had a cellmate.
31:03My name was Steve Logan.
31:06Rick asked him, I want you to do me a favor.
31:10Rick gave him her letters Sarah had written in the beginning,
31:15and Steve copied her handwriting.
31:19Steven Logan had made an affidavit
31:23admitting that he wrote that confession letter.
31:28Rick Hull had him write it, made him write it.
31:32There was a letter that was used at the trial
31:37that was manufactured.
31:44You know, I didn't write it.
31:48Somebody else did.
31:50So that, I mean, I just, it hit me like a, you know, a load of bricks.
31:58This is what happened.
32:01I allowed myself to be set up both for Pennington
32:04and the phony letter.
32:08The prosecutor who called this woman, female Charles Manson,
32:12is now saying, I was wrong.
32:15She's not that.
32:16If you had had this at trial, would you have prosecuted Sarah for murder?
32:23Absolutely not.
32:25Larry Sells is working with Pender's new attorney
32:27to present the evidence to the Marion County Prosecutor's Office.
32:31Pender's attorney is still waiting to meet with Prosecutor Curry's office about the case.
32:46I had been in solitary for over five years.
32:53And when they told me they were going to let me out into the transitional unit,
32:58and they were going to put me on close observation,
33:01it felt really good just to hear them say,
33:04well, we're going to try letting you out.
33:08I know that Larry Sells found new evidence that changed his mind about my case.
33:17And I believed that I was going to go home.
33:21I always believed that if you had new evidence to prove, you know, your innocence,
33:31that that was what you do, and they fix it.
33:34Now we have something that the authorities will, you know, will pay attention to.
33:41I just knew I was going home.
33:42I knew it would take some months, but I just knew I was going home.
33:45And being so happy and imagining all these things that I wanted to do with my family.
34:10By the time that I received the no,
34:18I had grown enough to know that
34:23that it would absolutely devastate my parents if I killed myself.
34:38And I have not told people that.
34:44But I also know that it's my only shot at freedom.
35:04I know what it's like to be in prison where you don't belong.
35:09And who better to represent somebody like Sarah than me?
35:20I was in prison for almost 18 years until I was exonerated.
35:24And when I got out, I made a conscious decision to go on to law school
35:29and represent people who I believe were wrongfully convicted
35:32or people who were abused by the system.
35:35And I really think Sarah fits into both those categories.
35:42Even with the evidence out there,
35:45unfortunately there's no possibility of just exonerating Sarah.
35:49The track we're on is asking for mercy.
35:52I have a session.
35:54I'm both James.
35:55James Snyder.
35:56Judd.
35:56Resigning.
35:57All right.
35:57Be seated.
35:57Good morning.
35:58Because to put her in solitary confinement for five uninterrupted years
36:04so outstrips the crime she committed.
36:08And I believe that the sum of it lends itself toward modifying the sentence.
36:15We're going to try to convince the judge that I'm worth letting go.
36:21State of Indiana versus Sarah Pender.
36:23So she is present and by counsels.
36:25And the state is here by Mr. Cicchini.
36:27Yes, Your Honor.
36:28Judge, we are here for a modification hearing,
36:30but that is because of the brutal murders of Trisha Norman and Andrew Cataldi 25 years ago.
36:37Their lives were cut short at young ages and as evidenced by the letters that their family members submitted to
36:43the court today,
36:44they continue to grieve their losses and it continues to impact their lives on a daily basis.
36:48And there has been a great deal of scrutiny about Miss Pender's role in the crime and what she did
36:53or did not do.
36:55While we're not here to relitigate that judge,
36:58we have to recognize that the prosecutor on the case who sought and obtained the 110 year executed sentence
37:04has recently changed his opinion about both the veracity of that conviction as well as the justness of that sentence.
37:10And that is leaving the court with the difficult task of what to do with Miss Pender's sentence
37:15to hand down a just decision in this matter.
37:17Thank you.
37:17It is the defense motion.
37:19So I'll hear any witnesses and evidence you have to present.
37:22Hence call Roland Pender, Your Honor.
37:25Has she matured since she's been in prison?
37:27Oh, very much.
37:28Yes, very much.
37:29She's matured.
37:30I seek advice from Sarah.
37:35You can't make up for time loss.
37:38And I've lost 25 birthdays, 25 Christmases, 25 everything.
37:46I pray that I can have the rest of my life with my daughter to hug her every morning.
37:56Yeah, today is one of the biggest days of my life.
38:00Because I'm asking for the chance to be free and to not die in prison.
38:05You know, I know that I deserve to be punished for what I did wrong and for what I did
38:10not do right.
38:12To Drew and Trisha's families.
38:14I want to tell them that I am so sorry for the terrible loss that you've suffered.
38:21And for the role that I played in it.
38:24I have paid for it 10 times over.
38:27With 25 years in prison.
38:30And 5 years a month and 12 days in isolation.
38:35But, Your Honor, today I'm asking for your mercy.
38:39And if you grant my petition, I promise that you will never see me again.
38:44I want to go home and keep working to make myself and the world a better place.
38:50Thank you.
38:51Thank you, Ms. Pender.
38:53She has reformed.
38:55And if you strip away that reformation, all that we have left is vindictive justice.
39:02Now, our petition, Your Honor, is to trim count two to run concurrent with count one such that Sarah is
39:08eligible for immediate release.
39:11Thank you, Your Honor.
39:12Thank you, Mr. Delaney.
39:14So, what I am going to do, first I am going to hold this under advisement.
39:19I want time to contemplate this decision.
39:23Alright, so thank you all for your advocacy here today.
39:27And I'll have, like I said, I'll have my ruling in due course.
39:30Thank you, Ron.
39:31Thank you all very much.
39:46I have a room waiting for Sarah.
39:49It's all ready for her.
39:53I'm hoping that she can actually see the outside and enjoy what life she has left.
40:12And what will happen if she doesn't?
40:23I really have a hard time thinking about that.
40:29I know that it would kill her.
40:33It really would.
40:38And she might not make it.
40:44When I think of freedom, I think of all the tiny choices that I want to make.
40:50Whether I want to leave the toilet seat up or down.
40:53Whether I want a hot or cold shower.
40:55All these things that I haven't been able to choose over the last 25 years.
40:59Freedom means autonomy.
41:01But mostly it just means being with the people that I love.
41:08Maybe we will rather have a regular Revolution that have done essentially here?
41:10Okay, wait, wait!
41:11I got four minutes hands, don't mind when I asked another nhà.
41:13Okay, wait.
41:14I get eight saat now, it's the images that could be done.
41:16I get nine...
41:26I do not know in at the beginning right now Ilhan deverable,
41:27Of course but...
41:27And Paul Escobol場 made wonderful!
42:02Gracias por ver el video
42:04Gracias por ver el video
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