00:00Do you think there is a risk that Israel is losing its reputation on the world stage
00:05and is turning itself into a pariah, not just in the US, as you alluded to there, but more globally?
00:12Yeah. I mean, you can see there has been a big, big change in the number of European states
00:18that recognise the state of Palestine.
00:21You can see huge disagreements around the rulings of the International Criminal Court
00:26and the International Court of Justice.
00:29And increasingly, Israel, which would have portrayed itself as a close European ally
00:39and talked about common values in international law, even if it didn't always follow that playbook,
00:46is increasingly out on its own.
00:48I mean, it's...
00:50But remember, this is happening at the same time that the US is also giving up on international law.
00:57I mean, the US is effectively becoming a rogue state.
01:02The US is no longer pretending to abide by the normal conventions of the laws of war,
01:09even by normal congressional rules, normal judicial rules.
01:15It's behaving, yeah, increasingly.
01:18And I think it's not just the US.
01:19You can see some of the US behaviour.
01:21You can see some of Netanyahu's behaviour is like that.
01:24And you can increasingly...
01:26We'll begin to see states in Africa and states in the Middle East and states in Asia and potentially in
01:31Europe.
01:32Certainly the Russians are behaving like this.
01:34So we're entering a very, very dangerous world where countries are giving up on the thing that kept peace from
01:431945 onwards,
01:44which was a sense of a rules-based international order, however hypocritical,
01:50a free open trading system which is now being replaced by tariffs and perfectionism.
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