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The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives - Season 4 - Episode 03: The Book of True Colors
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00:02No, I don't want to lose. You don't play a fair fight. No, I can't decide. If it's worth my
00:09time, betray me once. I'll let you live if you want.
00:15Did he sleep with someone?
00:19If you want to know, I will tell you.
00:21I do.
00:23Right now?
00:24Yeah, he's up to someone.
00:24I just would prefer you to call someone else.
00:26I'm sorry, he did.
00:32I'm sorry.
00:33I know.
00:34It's not surprising.
00:35Like, he probably has fucked everyone.
00:37Dakota and I haven't done for a few months, but he's still, like, all about family and wants a family,
00:43love, loves me, his child, all these things.
00:47I wanted to be with him, and so for me, it's very confusing. That's where I think my frustration comes
00:51from.
00:51This is just, like, my sign. He is who he is. He's never going to change. It's time to move
00:56on with my life.
00:58Sorry.
00:58I'm so sorry.
00:59It's okay.
01:01It hurts. It hurts.
01:03I'm sorry, Taylor.
01:05And he's like, you never loved me.
01:07No, yes, I did. I stayed for three years.
01:12I do feel a little bad about telling Taylor right now because the reunion's coming up, and she could be
01:17extra emotional now, but to be honest, there's never a good time to hear something like this.
01:22Taylor and Dakota's dynamic is so toxic.
01:24At this point, I'm not sure if I made the right decision. I don't know. I feel like my intentions
01:29were good because she wanted to know. She was asking me, but now I'm wondering if I just opened up
01:33a bigger can of worms.
01:36I'm so pissed. I'm so pissed. I'm not at him. It's just him as a person. I know. Fuck. And
01:43now he's having sex on TV. It's like, have you not done enough to me? And I had to move
01:49on. I have to move on. Like, I don't have a choice. That's what sucks.
01:52Yeah. And I think you're feeling resentful towards him for making you have to do that.
01:57I know we're, like, done. It's just, like, resurfacing feelings of, like, it's just reliving them. The same betrayal I've
02:05lived for so long. It's like, anyone that's ever been in this position knows it's, like, you're not at you
02:10because you're allowing it. Taylor's allowing it. I'm doing this to myself. Like, it's my responsibility to, like, go and
02:17stop. And I just, like, I'm having a really hard time doing that. So it's just, like, I'm mad at
02:21me.
02:25Taylor, stop. No, I just want to know. Taylor. I just want to know why. Why? Why what? If you
02:32enjoyed it. Taylor, you don't need to know that. You don't need to know that. Hello? Hello? I just want
02:40to know if you, like, enjoyed it. Taylor. Look, I'm freaking so sad because you made me do this and
02:48I didn't want it. And then you go and have sex on TV.
02:51No, I want to know. But you did. Hot sex on TV. Don't say no. You did. I didn't enjoy
02:57it, Taylor. Of course I did. Oh, you didn't? You didn't finish? No. Did you finish? No. Did you finish?
03:04Yeah. Okay, so you did enjoy it.
03:07What do you mean? You enjoyed it, then. I can still have sex and it not be enjoyable. Do you
03:14feel better?
03:15Taylor, as you viewed, didn't hurt me enough. As if I didn't have to leave you already.
03:19If I didn't hurt you enough. Who was the one that was always pushing me away? You. Was I ever
03:24pushing you away? The entire relationship? No, Taylor, never. I never didn't want you. You made it impossible for me.
03:30You made it impossible for me.
03:32I hate how toxic this situation is for Taylor. It is ruining her day by day. And I am so
03:38hoping that The Bachelorette is a really good detox for her to truly move on.
03:42Sorry I moved on. Like, what do you want from me? You moved on. You have another man that you
03:47apparently love so much.
03:49I never said love.
03:50Yeah, because you don't like him.
03:52Do you like the girl you fucked?
03:54Fuck no.
03:55Do you even know her?
03:56I mean, no. Not really.
03:58So you just fucked some random ho on TV?
04:03Congrats. You win.
04:08Come ye snakes and come ye sinners. Hallelujah.
04:16Listen up. I'm the one you've been dreaming of. I got everything you could ever want.
04:26Tryin' to see you out. Bring you to your knees. Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:31You hate me.
04:58Hmm.
05:18babe spill the tea what happened at the villa it was crazy what do you want to know who do
05:24you
05:25what do you want to hear about first start from the beginning you actually don't know like pretty
05:28much anything no tell me everything okay zach has been back from the dad talk trip for a couple days
05:35and to be honest i've been so busy with dancing with the stars work and taking care of the kids
05:40i haven't even had time to talk to him about what happened all i know so far is that zach
05:46talked to
05:46marciano more about what happened with demi i actually talked to marciano for like an hour
05:51and surprisingly i trust him personally more than i trust to me based on my personal experience with
05:58her and how manipulative i think she is as a human being i'm dying to hear more about what
06:03actually happened one of my biggest takeaways from the villa is that there is two sides to like all
06:08these stories that are being told like the first dinner we all wore black because we're like it's
06:12marciano's funeral like we were all planning on just going ham and then we we talked to him and
06:16like babe he really was not a good guy but like you could just tell like he does have some
06:21genuine
06:21remorse he was just like no like i messed up i felt bad about this but like i don't know
06:26how to handle
06:26the situation this is what happened he kissed demi before he left and then he also said when they
06:32went up into the bathroom they did more more than talking like i talked to hannah and hannah's like yeah
06:39when marciano and demi went outside like they talked for six hours i know i've always had a feeling
06:44that demi was lying about the whole marciano situation even the kumbaya didn't seem genuine to me
06:51i never wanted to talk about this that was the reason of me being like please jen don't bring
06:56this up i obviously want to walk out here and be like oh i understand me like i can see
07:02her i want
07:03to move forward but to be honest i'm even more confused now i think a lot of the girls are
07:07trying
07:07to move past everything that happened but to be honest i'm having a hard time looking past it because
07:13i don't think that she should just get away with treating everyone like crap and then just pretend like
07:20nothing happened i kind of want to set the record straight we'll see what happens at the reunion
07:26thoughts and prayers we're gonna need it like i've been on jordan's biased side i've been like oh
07:30marciano it wasn't until i talked to marciano even after jordan found out about the affair jesse
07:35continued to talk to him i think we put so much blame on marciano marciano this marciano that
07:42this horrible evil guy i'm like it is just as much to me and jesse if not more because they
07:47were the
07:47married ones marciano's single so they're way more in fault than than him in my opinion i don't know
07:54exactly what happened between marciano and demir i don't think anyone's ever gonna know i think that
07:59the story brett and demir telling isn't true the reunion is coming up if anyone does call out me or
08:06my wife i'm gonna be defensive i guess we'll see how it goes sooner or later everything will come out
08:11unfortunately so yeah but anyways dakota somehow ended up poking up with this chick and and he had
08:19sex and he had sex with her oh my gosh next morning he seemed really happy because he was slapping
08:24cheeks and now hearing a little bit more of what actually happened at the villa especially with dakota
08:30and some of the girls there i definitely think taylor is gonna lose her shiz honestly going there and
08:38seeing the single life it made me realize i would like like i honestly just felt bad for dakota and
08:45chase and like i would never want to do this instead we'd rather do this i would rather do this
08:51yeah
08:52he's got the best of the best
08:53Yeah.
08:55I wanna be with you.
08:59I wanna be with you.
09:05La la la la la la la la la.
09:09Go go go go go go.
09:13Mamamamamamam mamam.
09:16Mamamam.
09:18Oh.
09:32this is awesome babe have you been to something like this I have
09:48maybe I have a new career in the works have you on this mic here
09:52all right can you guys hear me yes sir all right we got the harmony I think so
09:57okay we're about to find out bring it in about to find out good luck
10:10I see your true colors shining through a little flat is it too high no I got it
10:21okay because from what I'm hearing it's not it's night and day from what I heard in the car to
10:26now
10:26so I almost think you need to take it off so you can hear really yeah
10:36I think just a little too intense pull back a tiny bit okay
10:41call me up a little too breathy I think that's what's making it flat
10:44like a little again from the starter just keep going just keep it going
10:50true colors are beautiful
10:57you need to like bring it down here a little bit more
11:00and I see your true colors shining through
11:07I see your true colors and that's why I love you
11:15true true colors are beautiful
11:24like a rainbow
11:38I loved it I think we got some good takes here I mean
11:42that's a wrap thank you so much you guys are great fun yeah that was so fun
11:46yeah thank you so fun thank you so good to meet you all right you guys have a good one
11:50you too bye
11:54you need to be doing that more I want to do that more that was so like liberating and
11:58just felt like oh this is what I need to be doing
12:03how are you feeling about the reunion
12:04I'm excited to defend you from all this absolute bullshit I am so sick of the lies I'm sick of
12:14the
12:14posturing they've locked in on the opinion of something happened or what Marciano said is true
12:22so Zach facetimed Jen while he was in the villa yeah and they had conversations with
12:29Marci foo-foo poo-poo butt face he said that more happened between him and Demi
12:35he said that there was more than kissing now so it just keeps going up
12:40Zach believed it before he even went so that's not shocking
12:43you want to choose to believe somebody who is
12:45well-documented liar versus somebody who has always told the truth
12:51I want nothing to do with this so Jen why are you still lying about me why are you going
12:55on
13:01this is so crazy so Jen and Zach were on the vile files podcast and they were asked about what
13:08went
13:09down between Demi and Marciano I was asking her about how this trip was going and you called me
13:13I was like yeah Demi has just been crying in our room for the last hour she's so she feels
13:17so bad
13:17she feels like she's cheated on her husband yeah well why well because she was sitting on his lap
13:21she was kissing um all these things that were never shown in the edit I mean you have a group
13:27of people that are constantly trying to poke holes in your story and lie about you I used to feel
13:32bad
13:32for Zach and now that I have seen him repeatedly enable Jen I feel like he knows better a lot
13:40of people
13:40in the group will try to make excuses for her like oh she's just like saying these these things
13:45and she thinks they're true well that's called defamation that can really heavily ruin someone's
13:50reputation it's not okay
14:06oh yeah that's like due this week I keep forgetting to do it's been sitting there for like literally six
14:11months I think we have been so busy lately between having a newborn and two other kids running baby mama
14:17coordinating things for the book tour having the memoir come out this has just been a huge goal of
14:22mine for the last 10 years and I just can't believe it's actually happening maybe I'll do that like
14:26that that's very like bank signature-esque what now I did three's on accident so I'm not used to
14:32writing your last name can't do that I'm getting some comments from the boys on my post about you
14:37the boys question things a little bit yeah no it's just talking about London Jacob what does that mean
14:46London Jacob better watch yourself
14:50just remember who rules I'm on the dad talk just remember who rules this house
14:54are you serious all right well two can play at that game can they yep
15:01yeah there we go how's that oh gosh it's giving me the a because it reminds me of Jordan
15:06I feel like I'm like are you serious you have a different font because he wears that one too much
15:11Jordan is Jordan but this dad talk hat does look pretty good on me though Jacob has been a little
15:17more spicy since he got home from London and I will say I'm a little annoyed that Jacob waited to
15:23tell
15:23me things Jordan told Jesse everything right away and I was like there is no bro code when you are
15:28married so I'm happy that he is making new friendships but I don't know if dad talk has the right
15:33friendships
15:33I was surprised that like I got along with Chase so much when we were out there
15:37but he's surprised he's a funny dude he's witty you know he's like like a typical fuck boy
15:42yeah yeah you literally hated him like two weeks ago no I know we just got back from London and
15:49I'm
15:50honestly surprised that I had such a good time with all the guys it's kind of making me realize that
15:53I
15:53think I need some more bro time I don't know if Macy's gonna like this though she thinks Chase is
15:58just
15:58a piece of shit and now that we're all hanging out I really want to make sure that they can
16:01kind
16:01of get past this then I hope they can how do you feel about like me being around Chase right
16:05now
16:05like you have a good reputation and I feel like it's going to be tainted by hanging out with toxic
16:09men
16:14yeah hey hey Brooks that's a lot dude yeah let's take a chill pill
16:17I want to see him try and walk now that's like me and my experience come here bro
16:23he's actually had a lot chasing maybe don't put your face on the bark but I was spinning too fast
16:30it's no secret that Chase has caused a lot of drama with the women and mom talk in the past
16:37I try to stay out of most of Chase's drama because I value our co-parenting relationship but right now
16:44with Chase being in dad talk if he starts acting up at the villa but I was bringing up the
16:52fact that
16:53Macy obviously has her qualms with me walk into your birthday party and she throws a fit to you
16:58not expecting you know our favorite person to walk in the door today I feel like if I'm good with
17:03him
17:03no no I'm pissed I've wanted to potentially have a conversation with Macy at some point
17:10because I love dad talk and I'm on good terms with pretty much all those dudes I want to just
17:15bury the
17:15hatchet with these girls if they will allow for it but I mean who knows I asked Jacob and he
17:21said well I
17:22heard that uh she told me that after you know all the things that that stuff came out with Taylor
17:26on
17:26the TikTok live that you had been hitting her up in her DMs oh and I was like hold on
17:30and I pulled up
17:31our DMs and I said dude this is Macy responding to my stories three years ago and saying we should
17:37all hang out you should go play ball with Jacob he needs more friends so rewind three years ago
17:42I remember hearing from Miranda Macy told someone that like I was always in Macy's DMs and Miranda
17:49asked me like were you in her DMs and I was like no Macy was in my DMs I think
17:55I responded to one of
17:55Chase's stories of his daughter it was just his daughter he was not in it let's be clear and I
18:00think it was like an emoji like a heart eye emoji of his daughter or something whatever it wasn't about
18:05you he's freak I remember one weekend Taylor's ex-husband Tate had booked a cabin for like 30 people
18:12so I knew that Macy and Jacob were interested in potentially hanging out so I invited them
18:16I told them there was going to be alcohol didn't know if they were comfortable with that so they
18:20didn't have to come I said okay what so fun I'll see if we can I'm dead I said okay
18:28what so fun
18:29I'll see if we can swing it did I give the wrong impression right away is that why this is
18:35coming up three years later they like twisted things because they heard a certain narrative
18:39about us and I think she took it as we were like putting feelers out to swing to swing yeah
18:46and then
18:46once we like knew that they weren't down they uninvited them so from what I know the whole cabin
18:55saga was Taylor said that it made her kind of uncomfy that Macy and Jacob didn't drink and I think
19:02Macy took it as like oh I'm being uninvited because they are getting the vibe that we're not
19:07swingers that was not the case Macy also like can sniff out toxic men so regardless Macy thinks
19:12every man's toxic and I agree I'm not wrong that's the one thing I have to agree with I do
19:17think we
19:17should go to lunch something with Chase and have a conversation and just I don't see if we can
19:23improve just like what we know I don't want to have a conversation with him I'm good I am shocked
19:28to
19:28see Jacob come back from the villa being like friends with Chase it is no secret that I don't
19:33like Chase I think that he's very demeaning to women I think that he was very demeaning and
19:37disrespectful to my friends and to me online and for that I just don't care for him why why do
19:42we need
19:42him around he's not married to Miranda anymore so why are you here I'm freshly postpartum I don't
19:46have time for this shit I feel you should be supportive and it doesn't mean like you have to like
19:51deny that or like not think it's reality well I'll think very very hard about it okay
20:17I'm having a breast augmentation done again I had it a few years back but I will say just having
20:22a
20:22baby some things I was like I'm sure I'm really up here so I'm like let's just go get a
20:28little
20:28let's say touch up if you will all right let's do it people I'm doing it one to feel good
20:36about
20:36myself but two for the bachelorette I think I'm about to be in a lot of dresses which I normally
20:41if you know me I'm not in dresses so I just kind of want to feel good in them pocket
20:46looks good very thin
20:47capsule like it's very subtle so we're gonna that's why we're converting her so we gotta find her pec
20:53muscle here it's just pretty much I don't even pull I just lay it good job team
21:12Hi say oh my gosh are you okay yeah I think
21:17I know oh what's wrong
21:25what's wrong are you okay yeah I'm just like sad why all the anesthesia meds just kind of
21:32no this is just like for your life do you need me to do anything no it's just like my
21:37life like
21:37situation it freaking sucks like with family you know
21:43I don't know Taylor but it's getting so much better and I think I ignore it a lot
21:47yeah I hope being told it is
21:52I think you've come a long way and I think that it's getting better
21:57my heart hurts like my heart
22:00it's broken
22:03he never loved me ever I don't care what anyone says I'm in more of an acceptance phase but maybe
22:10that's just like obviously a little deeper root
22:13well of course it's hard you thought you were gonna probably end up with Dakota
22:18that's the sad thing you're gonna be okay Taylor
22:24I know
22:30I know
22:42ah
22:44nothing but vitamin D yes to cure that postpartum depression
22:50oh my gosh I love it here we're still a few weeks away from dancing with the stars premiere
22:56we're doing like five hours of dancing a day and it's already super intense
23:01there's nothing like California it's nice yeah it is nice something's in this air I'm like oh there
23:07really is something in this air I've definitely been trying to rebuild my friendship with Whitney and
23:13look past everything that's happened and make this a good experience for both of us so do you think
23:21you'll stay here for a while regardless of dancing with the stars like if I get voted off yeah yeah
23:27I
23:27don't have plans on getting voted off but if I do yeah um we're just gonna stay here are you
23:33nervous about
23:34the reunion do you think Demi's gonna be cordial because I think she's draining everyone I think
23:39she will I think she wants to make things right does she I think it's very interesting that she's reached
23:45out to everyone but me she's going to lunch with Jesse she's reached out to Macy and Michaela and I'm
23:52the
23:52only one she hasn't reached out to which do you Maya do you want her to I just would appreciate
23:57a
23:57genuine apology and I don't feel like I've gotten that from her I hate that there's this animosity
24:04between the two of you and I know she hates my guts I don't think she I think she's always
24:09hated me
24:10I know literally from day one Jen's too Mormon for me like if she's there I don't want to be
24:15there
24:16to me did you ever say that Jen is too Mormon I've never said she's too Mormon I have said
24:23that
24:23you bring it up in conversation a lot did I say that Jen is too Mormon I did and I
24:30stand by that
24:31from day one listen Jen I get that yeah but there has to be a point where we move on
24:35I think that you
24:37guys are both can be right and I think that's the problem is both of your feelings are valid but
24:43the problem is is like you it's accepting it yeah it's like you guys both can't accept that
24:49Jen you accepted that apology the kumbaya you said that you were going to work on moving on and bringing
24:55it up again it's just going to put mom talk a whole step back so I'm starting to feel a
25:00little bit
25:01worried about what's going to happen at the reunion I trust vibes over words yeah and there's never been
25:08a feeling of true sincerity on her end I've never felt that I also think that so much has happened
25:15in mom talk the past few years I just want it to be a safe place for everyone and to
25:21be honest I
25:21don't feel like it's a safe place for me when Demi is there
25:32I thought I knew I went the other way couldn't see the truth couldn't see your mistake why should
25:41I keep it you can see it thank you so much
25:45we're gonna get wasted oh day drinking hello
25:53what's up guys
25:56how's everything been going it's been great the reunion's coming up and I genuinely don't know
26:04what's going to happen and I feel like I need to talk to the girls about Demi
26:07she's not being the same person off camera that she is on so if they feel that energy from her
26:13hopefully they'll speak up are you guys nervous for the reunion no really just feel like reunions
26:18always inevitably bring things up stir shit up but you are cause like Demi and stuff yeah I'm a little
26:24nervous I'm more so nervous now because um we did a session with Gabby and it was the weirdest thing
26:29you guys off camera we'd had discussions about like she kind of admitted that she leaned into the
26:33Marciano stuff too much it looked really bad and she shouldn't have done it she admitted kind of
26:39like she did in Italy when she was like I played into it too much because on camera she doubles
26:43down
26:43right behind the scenes she did admit that right so we finally get to a place where we do start
26:47talking
26:48about the Marciano of it all and she like completely plays victim again and is like he did this and
26:54this
26:54and I'm like okay like it's just so different from like the conversations had with her on camera
27:00so Gabby has read Demi alone before right and she has picked up on patterns Demi has in her past
27:05so she looks at Demi and she's like Demi there's patterns you have and I'm trying to help you out
27:10of those patterns and Demi was like what patterns so she was like you know the stuff we've talked about
27:14and Demi's like like what you can say it and so Gabby finally goes you're emotional cheating
27:19this Marciano thing the pattern that I'm feeling may be emotional cheating and Demi goes oh yeah you're right
27:28and she goes I have had a past of emotional cheating there's been multiple situations
27:32in the past where it was that like I felt like I was developing feelings
27:36but not with Marciano everyone else but him in this situation it was not that I wasn't even
27:42physically attracted to him and I'm like we were so close we were so close Demi's very good at
27:51manipulating she's very good at talking but I was the pathological liar exactly but that's what they
27:58do right but after the guys going on the trip to London and now hearing this from Jesse just shows
28:07that I've been right this whole time I think it's because like he's so gross that she like doesn't
28:11her ego yeah but you did that it was just so disingenuine from like the Demi I had seen trying
28:18to
28:18mend all these fences and like get back but it's not genuine that's the thing she mends it for her
28:24own agenda it was just to save her image yeah she doesn't care about the relationships here
28:29I feel like Jesse was trying to give Demi grace in this situation and kind of give her a second
28:33chance and yet again Demi's proving that she can't be trusted and you can't believe a single thing that
28:38comes out of her mouth the crazy part is to me is that I'm like if you would just be
28:42authentic
28:43to what actually happened like the mistakes you've actually made yes it would be so much better for
28:49you trust me it feels so much better yes you would know well not to be like the mom talk
28:52police but I
28:53do feel like people resonate with us though because we all make mistakes nobody's perfect and I think
28:58we're all kind of open about it and I don't feel like Demi is doing that anymore I feel like
29:04she was we
29:04all were in the beginning we kind of all lost the plot I think for a second we didn't lose
29:09the plot we
29:10lost the foundation what do we do because if she's in the group now like she's back I think we
29:14try to
29:14see how she operates at the reunion and how she handles it and if she chooses to come in and
29:18be
29:19authentic and I think we'll see I'm nervous
29:22I love my friends
29:32I love my friends
29:34Living that sunshine good life again and again
29:39I love my friends
29:41I love my friends
29:48It's hard to walk
29:49I know it is
29:51I feel like I'm doing Marciano 2.0
29:53Today me Jacob and Mikaela are going to meet up with Chase I am very reluctant to do so however
30:00Jacob is trying to get me to be open-minded to it because I think maybe it'll help things feel
30:05less
30:05contentious for him making friends with the guys and whatnot and maybe he'll feel more at peace with
30:10everything what's going on man oh what's up good to see you
30:15and I asked Mikaela to come because whatever issues I'm gonna have with Chase she will too
30:20so I think like having her there not only is it backup like you might as well two birds one
30:25stone
30:26be done with it Mikaela decided to come join us yeah
30:30if you're trying to clear anything up with the men I think it's obviously a job for what are we
30:35called
30:35are we eminem incorporated it's time to go full fbi on this bitch full fbi i think it's what we
30:43do best
30:44thanks for setting this up dude yeah I appreciate you guys coming
30:48it's obviously a little awkward because yeah because you've talked
30:51on this for online for years
30:54yeah without knowing us i don't think it's i don't think it's one-sided but
30:58i haven't i've talked shit offline i don't have a podcast about you that's different tomato tomato
31:06any animosity that we have that i've contributed to by way of the podcast i do think that was
31:11in poor taste he was doing it for clicks totally was for like the whole point of it was to
31:17just be
31:18a dick and honestly piss off the people that like we were talking about is that money jacob
31:24i look back on it now and i'm like look i actually think it was stupid i said some main
31:28things do
31:29you guys know macy i think people kind of pity her free mom talk her thing that got her her
31:34followers was she had a baby daddy who died in a car accident yeah i'm not i ain't gonna touch
31:41this
31:41one and maybe not we you cannot air this and bad luck shouldn't have said it super stupid wish
31:49i wouldn't have so i'm sorry i think it's been a long four years of macy not liking chase and
31:56rightfully so but i think there is a good guy in there chase has remorse he's taking accountability
32:00and i think we really did label him and threw him in this bucket of this evil dude who's just
32:04swinging wanting to get other people to swing with him yeah i think uh i'm protective over my friends
32:10like well you're talking shit on layla saying she's bad in bed that obviously really hurt her like
32:14she was i think she was like crying and then like stuff with taylor from the past has made me
32:17mad totally
32:19that's why i've had a harder time with you yeah i just wanted to bring up because i did hear
32:23something is it true that you at one point heard that i was like dming you in a way that
32:29like maybe
32:30seemed like i was flirting was that an initiation to swing because no i know that's what it looks like
32:35because uh i remember that specific cabin it wasn't just like a freaking hedonistic orgy every time we
32:42went to these that was like twice and you guys were just drinking parties um we still got the
32:49sides me and macy are trying to be the best people we can it's taught in the book of mormon
32:54it's taught
32:54in the bible to show forgiveness and i think this is one of those times where macy needs to do
32:58that
32:59so that mom talk and dad talk can both coexist together in peace and harmony i'm in between but
33:04i did take a few steps back because when it comes to our perspective this whole thing you reach out
33:08to
33:08macy and then your wife saying oh wait macy's not invited and then like the swinging stuff coming
33:15out yeah so we see all those things together and we're like ah like totally bad optics well i feel
33:21like you can't help yourself sometimes and i'm like well and you were very demeaning to all the girls
33:26online for like years so you have no perception is that you don't treat women well they're well
33:32documented that i am an idiot there's no hiding that i will say chase did take accountability for
33:37his actions i just hope that chase continues to be on a better track if jakeb's going to be friends
33:43with
33:43him am i making any headway or not i don't it's hard to say i mean i guess it's i
33:48guess it's the
33:49behavior in the future it's like i can't say i hope this is the last time i ever have to
33:54say sorry
33:54i'm very big on timing and i feel like chase is coming into the group ready to apologize now that
33:59cameras are up i think if you're actually sorry you're going to do it off camera and he had
34:03years to do it his apology clearly isn't genuine he wants the clout i think that's just a grudge that
34:09i'm going to hold i'm not going to say mean things about women okay good very pro women
34:14that must be hard for you damn
34:34today is the reunion
34:39reunions can be very hard because you're seeing scenes that you haven't seen before
34:43maybe you're hearing things that you've never heard before for the first time
34:47they can really make every positive thing just immediately go up in flames uh we've seen it before
34:54we are supposed to talk about our true feelings so i think it is inevitable that something's going to
35:10be very clear to you for the opportunity we have to come together today we pray that we can have
35:15the
35:15strength to stand by our own principles and our own values as well as listen to those who may have
35:21differing opinions and we say these things in the name of jesus christ amen at the end of last season
35:26mom talk had a kumbaya we wanted to put all the drama behind us i don't think everything was
35:34resolved there necessarily i think there's a lot of underlying issues that maybe some of them have
35:39so i will say the reunion definitely is resurfacing that to me i've seen enough
35:47did you see anything happen no i didn't why are you fucking saying a word she's made my life a
35:56you bullied me how do you feel about your wife texting the word come to another man how do you
36:02feel about that it's just like oh here we go again what the fuck is wrong with you what the
36:06actual
36:07fuck is wrong with your brain there you go demi your true colors have come back out her screaming
36:15at jen on stage calling her names it was like she had a mask on and it started to slip
36:19a little bit
36:20and her anger started showing and this is the demi i know so there's so many unanswered questions that
36:25i'm like can we just get to the bottom of it it's like muddied because of this stupid fucking asshole
36:30that's lied and sorry but jen who's lied and put all these things in your head that never happened
36:35okay i've been called everything in the book by demi including being a pathological liar and i'm tired of
36:42her deflecting in reality that has been her the whole time no one's fucking believing marciano
36:48no that's the problem that's why it's so like hard because it's like okay yeah he's saying this
36:54happened or this didn't happen but it doesn't really hold a whole lot of weight i've heard
36:58things to me and i'm not going to believe anything until i that's fine jessie but you don't need to
37:01be pompous about it i'm i'm sorry you're just yelling at my friend and saying the most like
37:06aggressive cruel thing you know what she's done to me she sat there literally in the same sentence
37:10and said something because i'm sharing the truth you hate me because i was the only one
37:14no that called you out when everyone was bowing down to you that's why you know you can't look
37:19at yourself in the mirror i already have ability what do you think i've done you're not doing it
37:23clearly you're not you're deflecting stuff i'm talking about marciano you're still doing it this
37:27whole time i definitely feel empowered to call demi out someone needs to make her accountable
37:33because she's done that to everyone else in the group and so i'm gonna be that person did you not
37:38watch yourself in season three you have to back you look guilty af oh good i look guilty the fact
37:43of the matter is you don't have proof of the things you're saying which makes it okay a lie because
37:48i
37:48lived it and i know the truth okay i don't have proof so why are you saying it okay the
37:53world's
37:54already seen it i don't really have to say anything seen what just a kiss that didn't happen you are
37:59a
37:59cuddling up against someone and googly eyes that didn't happen your stories don't add up because
38:05you keep changing them no i guess you said you were not a victim and now you're a victim i
38:11do not
38:11i do not want to do anything about this guys i am not a victim i'm not a victim yes
38:17and then now
38:17you're saying i'm a victim so your story has changed yes that was the response to me of like
38:21cover this up shut everyone up i don't want to talk about this the biggest problem i think i have
38:28with everybody is the knee-jerk reaction to demi saying that she was a victim was to not believe
38:34her you would feel comfortable sending to another woman that you're swallowing cum i'm not wired like
38:40you bud you should rewire yourself oh yeah that's disturbing okay all right little guy
38:47brett is an old grandpa that needs to get sent to the old folks home we were in london last
38:52week
38:53of marciano he stared us straight in the eyes and told us the truth of everything of jesse
38:57of him and jesse of him and demi he still claims this day on camera that he kissed demi
39:05marciano said that demi was sitting in a hot tub with him alone or they were out talking
39:09we wouldn't talk to marciano for three hours of the day i've seen every ounce of the footage
39:14so i think when the women are doubting her um i think they've got very good reasons from our
39:22perspective can you see why we think the things we do because it's hard to understand the story
39:26so if you have a different story i'm open to hearing it i know the truth can you tell us
39:32and
39:32that matters can we agree that she was like flirting and having long conversations and like
39:36building a relationship with the guy like she just met she wasn't building a relationship with him
39:40she talked about like she talked about your guys marriage didn't she yeah i mean she was she was
39:44talking to him the i'll let her explain all the nuances around it i understand it's the lulu land
39:50dude you guys live in a different universe i had no idea that pathological lying was contagious but i
39:57guess it is i don't even know why you're here just walk away everyone's being nice to you people just
40:03talk shit behind your back because you're a shitty person hey the feeling's mutual dipshit just so you
40:08know good and it's so hard to take you seriously with your little munchkin voice oh nice bro you're
40:12i think that's a little steep and i don't think anything good is gonna come from talking like that
40:20if you heard about this and you heard that from marciana was gonna come on to
40:23podcast and then his show and air out jesse and what happened there i'm just confused why
40:29wouldn't you go to jesse my immediate reaction was i don't fucking care what's happened between me
40:34and jesse i am putting up a white flag and i'm finding a way to contact her because you had
40:39me
40:39locked on everything you didn't no i could have gotten through me and marciano said don't you
40:43fucking dare so then i got scared again and i was like shit what this is a trauma response and
40:48it's
40:49so stupid but it really was as simple as me not wanting to be viewed as a victim like period
40:54i mean
40:54i don't want to take away from the ass grab because obviously in no way is that okay which by
40:59the way
40:59it was not just like an ass grab i was in short shorts he grabbed this is gonna go circles
41:04though
41:04for round and round and round and round and round and we're never going to come to a conclusion i
41:08think at this point too everybody needs to be okay with the fact that we're never going to come to
41:12a
41:12conclusion because i can sit here and say if that truly happened to you i'm really sorry for that
41:18all of us in mom talker it's like we want obviously to believe you we want to like see eye
41:21to eye but
41:22like nothing adds up and it just doesn't make sense and so i do feel for demie because it's like
41:27yeah you're in the situation where all these voices are coming at you but she has to expect
41:31it if she's going to keep defending it over and over and over i think she wants to prove herself
41:35so bad but in turn i feel like it only makes her look more guilty i didn't do what he
41:40did to me and
41:41and i didn't ask for that and i didn't deserve that right however moving forward like shit demie like
41:46you probably should have been more careful and been more cautious and that sucks especially when you've
41:52been in that situation and it like brings up old stuff like then you start really blaming yourself
41:58for like what they do at this point like it's more painful to not be believed than to say you're
42:04enough to go over it over and over and over and feel the pain of past things than to just
42:10say fuck
42:11yeah we kissed fuck yeah this happened i'd rather something fucking happened at this point because this
42:17sucks way worse and like every time i talk you're taking yourself out of a hole you're doing this i'd
42:23rather fucking something happened at this point because it's excruciating i think that the lack of
42:31accountability the lack of transparency the lack of sensitivity on demie's end has made it very
42:37difficult for all of us to give the grace that i think that she believes she is owed but i
42:43think all of
42:44us girls as a whole would have been a lot more open had we had that transparency from the beginning
42:51don't feel like you have to go out there no i feel like i have to for me okay for
42:55you then let's
42:56fucking do it let's do it i want you to really feel like you're up to it every part of
43:02me wants to run
43:02and i'm like no you're gonna stay like you deserve to be here and like you're not gonna let them
43:09win
43:10she's smart she's calculated she knew the fuck what the fuck she was doing and i'm sorry but i i
43:14won't
43:14be friends with her anymore like i've been seeing this behavior for a long time and i'm done
43:23let me show you how to make them all sweat yeah you and my neck of the woods my side
43:28of the corner
43:28got bad huh about to go all out all out give them all a hundred percent
43:36thank you so much for being here oh my god after filming the reunion all day yesterday i am still
43:43in
43:43utah and today's my first meet and greet for act as campaign i am the face of their core collection
43:49okay ready one two three cheese hey cutie you come up here in front and right after we're having an
43:56influencer dinner with influencers in utah and all of mom talk they're to support me are you going to
44:01whitney's event tonight yeah i said i would she's gonna be supportive i said that i would go too
44:07are you yeah okay well i'm surprised you're going to an event for whitney i get pretty close just
44:13kidding oh true but i feel like we had a good moment yesterday just after everything i think
44:18trauma dumping really just bonds people people yeah how does it feel hearing jay say not having
44:25intimacy is an issue for him it's like i feel guilty that i can't show up for him when he's
44:29so
44:29amazing to me whitney how does that make you feel it's just a horrible thing that i think anyone has
44:35to go through um being sexually abused i feel like it's just confusing still with her she's very
44:42confusing to me yeah no i get that she still she still doesn't get it like yesterday i could tell
44:47you still don't get it yeah i mean like i don't know if she ever will though and it's at
44:49the point
44:50where you kind of like that's what it's hard
44:52you can be this or that you are a different brain magnetic super fly you're who they want to be
45:00it's the strangest things can make you fall in love i think you're just like me i think you look
45:07like
45:07you look like fun you look like fun you look like fun you look like fun you look like fun
45:17hi gosh stop stop spin yes i can't spend too much or i might flash someone's table thank you
45:26thank you guys so much everything's just been like perfect like i'm so grateful yeah you look
45:34see how tonight goes yeah yeah it will be good good we're manifesting good okay the reunion was
45:41literally yesterday so i'm sure everyone is still feeling those heightened emotions right now so
45:46them taking time out of their day to come to this event that's in support of me it means a
45:52lot to me
45:52it just reminds me more than ever how important these friendships are
45:59i'm still processing everything that happened yesterday at the reunion but i'm choosing to stay
46:06here to support whitney even if it means running into to me again
46:25so tired i know so fast like my body's all exhausted no my body's so tired i'm curious like what
46:32your
46:32thoughts are on it it was a shit show yeah that's how i felt about it what to me like
46:37it is what it
46:38is and like i felt i felt for so many people during that reunion but you know she's not it's
46:43probably
46:43the worst i've ever seen her yeah i'm sorry did you try to tell me that i couldn't own it
46:48i've run this thing like i want to see her thank you so much for coming yeah i'm just gonna
46:54show up
46:55yesterday was insane stop foot force are all coming congrats
47:02how are you i'm good how are you like yesterday was like heavy how are you feeling i felt like
47:07it was a
47:07very good closer like a closer good wait that's actually really good like i think i would have
47:11like normally been like very emotional i think i was just like this is bullshit this is done
47:15good good he's really happy i crashed out for two days had the reunion i'm good last night
47:20taylor and dakota got very heated please taylor for the love of god stay away from this man keep
47:26going go ahead with your lies lies i had this perception when i first met you like red flag red
47:32flag i do
47:32not like you i can't accept anything that comes out of your mouth because it's all bullshit dude
47:37she's about to go to the bachelorette and i'm hopeful that she can you know put her brain on right
47:42but we all know she has the biggest weak spot for that man how is it for you um i
47:47feel like i left
47:48feeling like a little frustrated because i feel like we didn't even get to like talk about a lot of
47:51things and there was some things i wanted to like say like what well she stood to me she's not
47:56even
47:56here what do you mean she's not here she's not coming isn't this whitney's thing well that's what
48:05we're talking about because i'm like it's hypocritical considering how much shit whitney got
48:08for not going to macy's thing but she just said last night i'll see you tomorrow you're coming right
48:12i was like yeah i heard she wasn't coming she told whitney she's not doing well mentally right now
48:18she's like crashing out that's her it's just her best friend i will say i feel like these events
48:27are kind of like what mom talk is here for each other is to support each other at these events
48:32that i feel like when one gets to like hide when they want that's not right it's not okay it's
48:38not
48:38how you work with other people as a team player i'm like girl you're not helping yourself at all
48:58has anyone talked to me since the reunion not since the reunion this is so sick
49:08time to go they're quite literally dancing on dancing with the stars
49:14wait why did they let me in it and she quit the show
49:16okay wait question are you gonna tell me yet like why you're not filming yet anymore
49:22hello hello hi taylor has a guy on his way over
49:26holy shit you're tall hey what up don't you go that's my bachelorette my heart is racing
49:32i feel like i'm gonna get in a fight tonight or something
49:40seasons are changing the time keeps rearranging
49:45casting its shadow in each corner
50:01i'm overboard
50:04i'm gonna get in a fight tonight i'm gonna get in a fight tonight
50:08i'm gonna get in a fight tonight
50:09i'm gonna get in a fight tonight
50:10i'm gonna get in a fight tonight
50:11i'm gonna get in a fight tonight
50:12i'm gonna get in a fight tonight
50:13i'm gonna get in a fight tonight
50:13i'm gonna get in a fight tonight
50:14i'm gonna get in a fight tonight
50:14i'm gonna get in a fight tonight
50:15i'm gonna get in a fight tonight
50:15i'm gonna get in a fight tonight
50:15You
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