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00:167-Matter-15, we're code 6 at the 911 call location.
00:20Any further contact from the distressed individual?
00:22Negative. Do you want me to start additional units?
00:24Uh, no. Give us a minute to scope it out first.
00:27You ready?
00:28Do I have a choice?
00:29That's the spirit.
00:39LAPD, we've received a distress call from this location.
00:41We are making entry.
00:46Oh.
00:51Oh. Do you feel that?
00:53Feel what?
00:54Something evil's in here.
00:56It sure smells like it.
01:06I can't die.
01:08It's inside of me.
01:10It won't let me die.
01:12It won't let me die.
01:14Elise, show yourself.
01:19I can't die.
01:20It's inside of me.
01:21It won't let me die.
01:23Don't touch that, all right?
01:23Just call this in.
01:24Call it in.
01:25I need an RA to my location for a stabbing victim.
01:28So I usually sit right next to camera to keep the eyeline tight?
01:30Then I'll just sit on the other side.
01:32No, because then you'll split his look.
01:34Oh, hey, hi.
01:35Thanks, uh, thanks again for sitting down with me.
01:38Us?
01:38What?
01:39Oh, right, us.
01:40Uh, why are you filming?
01:42Oh, I just wanted to document the new partnership.
01:44Abigail was very excited.
01:45It's not a partnership.
01:46It's totally a partnership.
01:47The judge was very clear.
01:48The judge?
01:49My name is Abigail Tierney.
01:51I'm currently trapped inside a secret lab at Westview Psychiatric.
01:54All attempts at escape have proven fruitless.
01:57I may have inadvertently used some of Abigail's footage in my last documentary without gaining
02:01the proper permissions.
02:02Translation, he stole my intellectual property, I sued, and the judge gave him a choice.
02:08Pay me 200,000 damages or give me equal partnership in his next project.
02:11He never said equal, but you know what?
02:13Never mind.
02:14Let's focus on the story that we're here to tell.
02:16Seat.
02:19Perhaps the most shocking case of murder and mayhem we've ever seen.
02:23Would you say that's a fair assessment?
02:25Um.
02:26No, no, stay back, stay back, stay back, you don't understand.
02:28Okay, relax here, okay?
02:30We're trying to help you.
02:30Who stabbed you?
02:31I stabbed myself.
02:34It's inside of me.
02:35I've tried everything else.
02:36I can't kill it.
02:38I can't die.
02:39See?
02:40No, don't pull that, don't pull it out.
02:42Oh, God.
02:45No, he died instantly.
02:47I mean, the wound was fatal.
02:49You can't stab yourself in the heart and survive.
02:52But the way the knife was lodged, he wasn't bleeding.
02:57Once he pulled it out.
02:58It was Blood Fountain City.
03:00Not exactly, but...
03:01As shocking as that was, it was far from the most shocking thing you found.
03:04Oh, we should get him to say that to set up the opening credits.
03:07That's not, we don't put words in people's mouths.
03:09It's a documentary.
03:13Yeah, it was, uh, a straight-up crazy.
03:17You don't think that there's a body in there?
03:20Oh!
03:21And they have finally found it.
03:23Ah!
03:25Please don't kill us.
03:26We will join your cult.
03:27Yeah.
03:28Oh, God.
03:29You arrived on scene as the sergeant's supervisor?
03:32Yes.
03:33I got there before the ambulance.
03:35Um, not that there was any aid they could have rendered.
03:37Is there a reason you didn't want us to interview you with Tim?
03:40What?
03:41No.
03:42We're just, I'm just shaking it up.
03:44Let's, let's stay focused.
03:46Um, were you the first to recognize the victim?
03:48Uh, sort of.
03:50Um, I, I thought I knew his face, but it wasn't until we ran his prints that we got a
03:54name.
03:54Rich Rowley was retired LAPD.
03:57He had been with the department for 30 years and was a little bit of a legend.
04:00Mostly because he made a series of training videos from the mid-90s till his retirement in 2015.
04:07Which, by modern standards, are a little cringe.
04:11Hey, everybody.
04:12Rich Rowley here with another installment of...
04:17Now, today, we're going to be talking about proper cuffing technique.
04:22Excuse me, officer?
04:23Officer, I hurt my shoulder at the gym.
04:26Would you mind cuffing me in front?
04:29Pretty lady like you.
04:32What's the worst that could happen?
04:37You're welcome.
04:41Rich was a trip.
04:43The life of the party, at least early in his career.
04:46Then, as the years went on, he became a little, uh, crazy.
04:51Crazy how?
04:52He was deep into conspiracy theories.
04:55He, uh, had a real thing for cults and cabals.
04:58To be fair, Los Angeles does have a pretty dark history.
05:01But Rich took it to the next level.
05:03And his training videos got more and more intense because of it.
05:06We finally got around to updating the videos this last year, but that caused quite a controversy with some of
05:11the older officers.
05:12I mean, they said we were being insensitive.
05:14Why would updating training videos be insensitive?
05:17Even three years on, a lot of his friends were still mourning his death and saw the videos as a
05:22way to keep his memory alive.
05:24I'm sorry, I thought Rich died six months ago.
05:26Yeah.
05:27He did.
05:28I'm talking about the first time.
05:29Divers are searching for any signs of retired Los Angeles police officer Richard Rowley after a sailing trip gone wrong.
05:37Coast Guard responded to a distress call this morning from Raleigh's wife, who says the 55-year-old fell overboard
05:44after the sailboat he was captaining was struck by a rogue wave.
05:49Any time someone disappears from a boating trip, it automatically sets off alarm bells.
05:53Why is that?
05:54It's just an ideal place to cover up a crime, throw a body overboard, weigh it down.
05:58The likelihood of us recovering it before it becomes fish food is low.
06:02And the circumstances were suspicious.
06:05By all accounts, Rich was a skilled sailor, it was a calm day, and the only witness to his demise
06:09was Darla Phillips, his on-again, off-again girlfriend who he married five days prior.
06:15So you suspected foul play?
06:19Not necessarily, but we couldn't rule it out.
06:21Why wasn't Rich wearing a light vest?
06:23He never did.
06:24He was a strong swimmer.
06:26He must have hit his head when he fell.
06:29Why didn't you jump in after him?
06:30I'm scared of dark water.
06:32Dark water?
06:33Water you can't see the bottom of.
06:36Just blackness.
06:37With God knows what lurking below.
06:40You stand to inherit Rich's entire police pension.
06:42That's quite a bit of money.
06:44How dare you?
06:45I just watched the love of my life die in front of me.
06:50We don't know that for sure yet.
06:52They haven't found his body.
06:54Unless you know more that you're not telling us.
06:59Go to hell!
07:00This interview is over.
07:01Did it ever occur to you that Rich might still be alive?
07:04As we said, we couldn't rule anything out, but there was no evidence that he'd faked his death.
07:10Until he turned up dead again.
07:11Needless to say, we had a few more questions for Darla.
07:14Helping someone fake their death isn't a crime.
07:16I checked.
07:17You're right, but profiting off of that death, collecting Rich's pension and his life insurance, that's fraud.
07:23Not to mention the resources that were wasted trying to recover his body.
07:27He could be facing some serious charges.
07:29So, tell us.
07:31Why did Rich want to fake his death?
07:35After Rich retired, he kind of fell apart.
07:39His drinking got worse, and his paranoia, he was always a little intense, but it started to get scary.
07:47He covered all his windows with newspapers.
07:51He started writing down the license plates of passing cars.
07:55What was he so afraid of?
07:56He said there was this group.
07:59Like a secret society of dangerous and powerful people.
08:04He'd been onto them for years, but he said that they found out about him.
08:08That he was in danger because of it.
08:10It was too much for me, so I broke up with him.
08:14And then a year later, he showed up on my doorstep and asked me to help him fake his death
08:19in return for his pension.
08:23I needed the money, so we got married, and we did the deed, and I never saw him again.
08:29So you have no idea why there was a coffin in his garage?
08:33We'll probably hold this piece of the puzzle until the end of the first act.
08:37You know, hit the audience with a twist when it's dramatically expedient.
08:40Yeah, seems manipulative.
08:41All good storytelling is.
08:42Just tell us about finding the coffin.
08:45Uh, so once I arrived and we secured the crime scene, we cleared the rest of the house and then
08:51we moved on to the garage.
08:56Oh.
08:57Oh.
08:58You don't think there's...
08:59That there's a body in there? I absolutely do.
09:02Okay, are we gonna open it? Because I don't want to open it.
09:06What do you think?
09:07I mean, it's clearly been dug up. Given the state of the coffin, it's clearly been underground for a few
09:13years.
09:13If there is a body in there, it's likely long dead.
09:17Unless...
09:17Unless what?
09:19Unless he put a fresh victim in an old coffin.
09:25Oh, okay.
09:26Got it.
09:27Oh.
09:29Oh, God.
09:35The body belonged to a 54-year-old truck driver named Marcus Ford, who was the victim of an unsolved
09:42homicide back in 2020.
09:43How was he killed?
09:45Uh, he was stabbed in the heart.
09:47Just like Rich.
09:49Wait.
09:50Rich murdered Marcus Ford. Did I just solve the case?
09:53Uh, no. We were able to alibi Rich out.
09:57He was hospitalized with double pneumonia the day Marcus died.
10:00Medical records say he was so weak that, uh, he could barely get out of bed.
10:04Or that's what he wanted you to think.
10:06Moving on.
10:06Digging up a body is no easy task. Why would Rich go to all that trouble?
10:09Initially, we thought it was simply the demented act of a clearly disturbed mind.
10:16And in some ways, it was. But then we found the tattoo.
10:20At first, it was a little bit difficult to make out exactly what it was.
10:24A half a decade of decomp does a number on the skin.
10:27But when we look back at the case file, there was a photo of it taken during the original autopsy.
10:32That's actually kind of sick. I wonder if there's a way to track down the artist.
10:35I've been meaning to start the sleeve on my other arm. Like, uh...
10:38To my collaborator's point, lots of people have tattoos. What was it about this one that jumped out at you?
10:44Well, something about it was familiar to both of us, but we couldn't place it.
10:49So we started asking around, and the answer couldn't come from a more unlikely place.
10:55I watched the Rich Rally training videos more than any person alive, so I recognized the symbol immediately.
11:04Sometimes citizens panic when they can't get in touch with their friends or loved ones.
11:08That is why we always advise the public to wait 24 hours before reporting someone missing.
11:14Well, most missing person reports stem from a lapse in communication.
11:18Every once in a while, you'll encounter a true, workable case.
11:22Officer, help! My sister is missing!
11:25When's the last time you saw her?
11:26Last night at the bar. Her boyfriend said she never made it home.
11:30You always want to take a report like this one? Seriously.
11:34So Rich did the same symbol in his training videos that was tattooed on the body of a murder victim.
11:39What did you think that meant?
11:42Uh, I don't know.
11:43I can't believe I'm saying this, but Smitty was right.
11:46In Lesson 187, the tattoo symbol was hidden in the background.
11:50Although, the instructions to wait 24 hours before reporting a missing person are wildly outdated.
11:55Anyways, it got me thinking. What if Rich put messages in other videos?
12:00What kind of messages?
12:02I'm not totally sure yet. I binged every single Rich training video I could get my hands on.
12:06Yeah, it's been a fun few nights.
12:07And I did find a few other possible leads, but there's a problem.
12:11The department's archive is incomplete, and without all of the videos, I can't be sure that I'm not missing a
12:15vital piece of information.
12:16So, what happened to the missing videos?
12:18So, when the training topics in the videos become outdated because of new laws or protocols, the department has to
12:25make new ones.
12:25And obsolete videos are supposed to be digitized and archived for historical record.
12:31But Rich is... were just gone.
12:34Gone and destroyed?
12:35Like a cover-up?
12:36No one's saying that. Most likely it was a human error.
12:40You know, someone got lazy, didn't archive them.
12:43I tried reaching out to the production company that made the videos to see if they had any copies left.
12:48Bad news is, they went out of business a few years back and auctioned off all their equipment.
12:53What's the good news?
12:54Well, I managed to track down the auction logs, and I actually know the person who purchased the studio's old
13:01hard drives.
13:02Careful, I'm very ticklish. Like the Pillsbury Doughboy.
13:06Same. I hear it's, um, a sign of intelligence.
13:09Is that a fact?
13:10Then I am smart as the dickens.
13:13So, you purchased hard drives from Speak Now Studios?
13:16Yeah, Dropout was still in its infancy. I was building the company from the ground up.
13:20We had to be smart about how we were spending our money.
13:23We bought a huge amount of equipment secondhand.
13:26Hard drives, cameras, wigs.
13:28Wait, wait. You bought secondhand wigs?
13:30Give them a little shake before we put them on.
13:32That's awesome.
13:33Do you still have that wig connect? Because I'd love a referral my guy is.
13:38Back on track.
13:39Uh, the hard drives you bought contain police training videos.
13:42Did you happen to watch any of them?
13:43Of course. Rich Rowley, right?
13:45We were obsessed with those videos. We probably watched them like a dozen times.
13:50I'm Rich Rowley and this is Survive the Streets.
13:53That's great.
13:54Vic can do the best impression.
13:55Do you think you'd be able to make copies for us?
13:58I totally would, but I can't because we wiped all of those hard drives to use as servers months ago.
14:04Sorry, I couldn't be more help.
14:06You'll still feature this interview, right?
14:10Yeah, probably not.
14:11Wait, you said you and the Dropout crew watched the video like dozens of times, right?
14:16Yes, sometimes on an edible. Mostly sober.
14:19I have an idea.
14:20Okay, so then you'd be like, don't forget to check the closet or you'll die.
14:23So, I don't know.
14:23I think it's a little bit more like, like, if you forget to check the closet, Freddie, Jason, and Chucky
14:28will rip off your scrud.
14:29Okay, I think there's less foot stuff. I feel like he's like, and then your crazy met the ex-girlfriend
14:35who's been hiding in the hallway closet
14:37will chainsaw your face when you get home because you forgot to clear the room!
14:41Clear the room!
14:42Check the room!
14:43I think he was so close to pulling out a gun.
14:45What are you guys doing?
14:46That's a great question.
14:47They're, uh, they're reenacting the police training videos since you guys wiped them off your hard drive.
14:50Oh, the Rich Rowley ones! Those are so funny.
14:52Right?
14:53I actually stole one of the hard drives so I could watch it when I'm in the tub.
14:56Can you talk about your time, man?
14:57A little self-care, you know, trying to relax a little more.
15:00It's not working.
15:01Can we have it?
15:02If you want to borrow it, I could, you know.
15:03No, I think this is actually working great.
15:05Okay.
15:06We'll keep this up.
15:07We're riffing.
15:08Clearing the room!
15:09Help us.
15:09Okay, I finally finished watching all of the Rich training videos and there is a lot.
15:14Um, take lesson 277.
15:20My Azaleas!
15:22A cold case where victim Azalea Robinson was found stabbed near a ski resort.
15:27You're kidding.
15:28No.
15:29And in lesson 290, Rich is holding a folder with a post-it note on the back with a brown
15:33star drawn on it.
15:35I'm lost.
15:35Right.
15:36So, I looked up the cold cases to see if there were any victims with names like Star or Stella
15:41and there was one hit.
15:43Stella Brown also found stabbed in the chest.
15:47In all, Lucy found clues pointing to seven different cold cases.
15:51But why was Rich hiding the names of murder victims in police training videos?
15:55Based on what we could piece together, he believed he had stumbled upon a conspiracy.
15:58A series of connected murders committed by person or persons unknown.
16:02If that were the case, why not just report his suspicion?
16:05He was a cop for 30 years.
16:07Well, Rich had a bit of a reputation within the department for, shall we say, magical thinking.
16:14So, unfortunately, his theory was dismissed out of hand.
16:18But why did he think the murders were connected?
16:19Well, for starters, they were all stabbed in the chest.
16:22But more importantly, each victim was found with a penny either in or on their person.
16:26What do you mean in?
16:27One had a penny in her stomach.
16:29Another had one shoved up his nose.
16:32Stella Brown lucked out. Hers was just clasped in her hand.
16:35And when we reexamined Marcus Ford's corpse, the Emmy found one inserted into the heel of his left foot.
16:42Why?
16:42Did we mention that they were all minted in 1930?
16:45Okay. Well, I just got goosebumps.
16:47Rich's autopsy also revealed that he had swallowed close to 50 pennies before he died.
16:52Gross.
16:52So, at this point, was your theory...
16:55I actually have no idea what their theory would have been.
16:56Yeah, well, I would tell you, but we were way off the mark.
16:59Which we were about to discover when we got access to his cloud account.
17:05Okay.
17:06I may have finally found it.
17:09I am so close to getting some real answers.
17:14See that?
17:16See that?
17:27Oh, my God.
17:35Oh, my God.
17:36No!
17:37No!
17:38No!
17:40No!
17:43No!
17:43a secure military facility doesn't seem like uh the best idea no he wasn't just breaking into
17:48any military facility it was area 67. what does that mean that's where the government keeps the aliens
18:02so rich broke into a secret government base on the hunt for a massive conspiracy then stabbed
18:07himself in the chest i mean at that point it's obvious what happened is it come on remember
18:12what rich said right before he died i can't die it's inside of me it won't let me die yeah
18:18i'm not
18:19following rich was exposed to an alien parasite it was inside him were you familiar with area 67
18:28i'd heard of it yeah there's this am radio station i used to listen to back in foxburg kept me
18:33awake
18:34when i was working late the host was obsessed with ufo's val's velvet bunker that's the one
18:40yeah i he was a little bit out there but uh always entertaining area 51 is theater
18:47do you believe do you really believe the most secretive military installation in the world
18:53would let itself become a tourist attraction no no no no area 51 is the distraction area 67 is the
19:02real
19:02deal you know why california has all those earthquakes it's not san andreas fault my friends
19:08it's the sonic resonance from area 67 underground testing chambers did you believe in his theories no no
19:16uh like i said just entertainment let's hear from a caller hi name's john long time listener fourth time
19:22caller hey john from foxburg welcome back what have you got for us tonight i swear to god i just
19:28saw a ufo
19:31john is such a common name i'm open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life you are
19:38yeah i mean it's a big universe anything could be out there i don't know people who claim to have
19:42seen
19:43aliens tend to be a little off you're friends with the corpse right well yeah we were more than friends
19:48but fair enough okay legally is it necrophilia if she only did over the clothes stuff that's a great
19:53question oh i definitely believe in fact i've been abducted by aliens really multiple times apparently
20:04i'm a fascinating subject i remember the last time smitty was abducted turns out he partied too
20:10hard in vegas and woke up in wisconsin missing time one of the hallmarks of alien abductions and
20:17binge drinking point is the government had little gray men in their secret labs for decades what are
20:25they doing with them they're implanting the aliens and unsuspecting hosts and taking over their bodies
20:30you just never know who might be one of them some people in the station believed rich stabbed himself
20:38to kill an alien parasite but i wouldn't say that was a dominant theory it wasn't long before we figured
20:45out rich believed something darker and it was connected to the seven murders then why did rich break
20:51into the army base yes i remember the incident rich rowley cut through a fence he trespassed on
20:57government property he was promptly apprehended and sent on his way do you have any idea what rich
21:02was looking for uh as it turns out he was looking for me but not because of any alleged aliens
21:09so why did
21:10he come uh this part is uh is a little bit embarrassing um before i found my calling in the
21:19military i
21:20thought that i wanted to be an actor and uh i was in a few dtv movies what's dtv you're
21:27so young
21:28uh direct to video they made all these super cheap movies back in the 80s and 90s you make them
21:33as
21:34cheaply as possible and then hope that someone was drawn in enough by the cover art to rent them
21:39a guy can't have a side gig totally how did you get into acting some director scouted me when i
21:45pulled
21:45him over he said i had a bitch and bod but he wasn't wrong but i gave it up because
21:52the people of
21:52this city needed a savior yeah you are the model of public service right anyway rich became interested
22:00in this terrible b movie uh that i was in i played a monk it was called 300 days of
22:08hell
22:15the scariest film of the 1990s really the ring scream blair witch project which one of us executive
22:21produced a horror movie trust me th d o h is true nightmare fuel it's not that scary she made
22:29me watch
22:29at the beginning of our relationship when he was still trying to impress me you want to watch it again
22:35tonight i would totally i do have plans though yeah i'm not watching that crap even if it is for
22:45a
22:45case i i see enough horror on the job that being said 300 days of hell was our first real
22:51window into
22:52the rabbit hole that rich had gone down a rabbit hole filled with demons or rather a demon so rich
22:58believed a demon had killed all those people no the killers were definitely human killers plural yeah
23:03there was different trace dna on all the bodies all from different subjects and none of them were in
23:09the system meaning the murders were committed by a group of people with shared beliefs a murder cult
23:15the cult believed a demon named malifus had been possessing people all across the city jumping
23:20from host to host and it was up to them to stop it
23:31the legend of malifus is centuries old the first mention we see of him is 1433's lesser grimoire of
23:39solomon by slovenian inquisitor terentius bruma a reference text of demons and their attributes
23:47uh gnarly right he's also known as the deceiver the infestor and demon of 300 days why once summoned
23:56to earth malifus won't rest until he finds a human host after possession begins he incubates 300 days
24:05what happens after 300 days he reaches full strength and his power becomes uncontainable uh-oh
24:14um if malifus was summoned to earth how would one stop him bruma suggests killing the host might
24:20slow malifus down forcing him to regenerate before he can find a new host a process that also can be
24:27slowed by the use of copper it was the pennies the pennies it all came back to the pennies before
24:341984
24:35u.s pennies were 95 copper so the copper and the pennies was meant to bind the demon but what
24:41about
24:41the 1930 part are you familiar with numerology some ancient peoples and taylor swift believed there was
24:51a mystical connection between letters and numbers using the chaldean method the name malifus becomes a
24:58digit 1930. so you're saying we had a theory whoever killed those people believed the victims were
25:05possessed by malifus they had to reach malifus's host before he reached his true form a 1930 penny was
25:12the perfect tool yeah rich's talk of it's inside me it won't let me die he thought he was infested
25:18by
25:19this demon too and that's why he killed himself wait i thought rich didn't believe in malifus isn't
25:25why he was trying to stop the cult yes but i mean years of obsession and paranoia can do a
25:29number
25:29on a person's psyche i mean it seems as though in the end rich could no longer distinguish fantasy
25:34from reality and you got this theory from rich's files well i mean we actually got it from lopez
25:39and they say watching old horror movies isn't a good use of time i never said that
25:45i don't know what i mean it's a good use of time i don't know what i mean it's a
25:54good use of time
25:54are we safe brother is malifus banished his sigil is drawn the right is spoken we have sealed his last
26:02human vessel with copper
26:11heaven forgive us indeed for hell will not midnight the 300th day our task was done none too soon
26:52yeah that was me
26:57do you guys want a glass oh you got anything stronger
27:01fine i'll just take a glass okay i'll just i'll have nothing actually no fun for me
27:08yeah that was my first big movie role well my only one really rich was so excited when i told
27:17him my
27:17book did he helped me run lines did rich buy into the malifus mythology no weirdly given all the
27:24conspiracies that rich believed in he was a total atheist but i wouldn't have blamed him after
27:30everything that happened on that shoot like what
27:35before production wrapped the dp was paralyzed driving to set a stunt person had his leg amputated
27:41there were divorces bankruptcies careers ended one of the actors even died in his hotel room people
27:49say the production was cursed what about you what do you believe i believe the real curse was the
27:56director he was a reckless maniac that didn't know how to run a set
28:00cuts cuts cuts arthur arthur your strangulation it has to be real i want to feel the life draining from
28:11him and you you you cannot
28:13move from your position not even an inch guys this ritual is extremely specific okay let's go again okay i
28:24thought
28:24i was choking you pretty well i'm sorry okay i'm gonna choke you a little hard ready douglas was real
28:29touchy about the religious stuff
28:30i guess he had grown up in some sort of commune and this was all based on stories he was
28:35told growing up
28:36okay but what i heard is that they accidentally summoned malifus for real the director found some
28:41ancient tome and inserted the incantation and rituals verbatim oh i love that and that's what got
28:48me thinking about the penny killings we found the first victim just a little under 300 days after the summoning
28:54ritual was filmed we knew rich was aware of the malifus legends it was only natural to link them
28:59so rich thought that penny victims were killed by people trying to stop malifus was he able to
29:04identify any of these killers we know he tried hi hey how are you jared hello um it's a it's
29:14a pleasure
29:14to meet you gentlemen pleasure to meet you too why don't you tell us about yourselves yeah we uh co
29:20-starred
29:20on a tv show together for 15 seasons uh called supernatural yeah we played sam and dean winchester
29:28brothers that uh you know tracked and fought supernatural beings like k-pop demon hunters
29:35no no not like that i mean kind of like that okay can you tell us about your encounter with
29:43rich
29:43rally yeah yeah yeah rich rally he came to a fan event we did last year um at monstercon yeah
29:51you
29:52know those people show up and they just walked uh autograph for a photo uh but rich was a different
29:59beast altogether yeah yeah he was he was super fixated on this one particular episode where we
30:05fought a demon malifus yeah uh that one anyway he seemed to think we like knew more about it than
30:15we
30:15were saying more about what demon hunting he kept like asking these super pointed questions like like
30:22he was uh testing us or something did you have an answer no no i mean we didn't we didn't
30:28come up with
30:29these stories you know we just did what the writers wrote it's called acting there's no actual demon
30:34hunters in real life exactly uh that's not exactly true there is at least one and it actually
30:42connected to the movie we heard the director brought a priest named father simon mccabe to
30:48bless the set every day before filming well it was either that or the whole crew was going to walk
30:52does that name mean anything to you about 15 years ago lopez and i had just finished our rookie
30:59years we responded to uh call it a house of a priest doing an exorcism with a 16-year-old
31:04girl
31:04had been going on for three days
31:10help her please
31:19get away from her
31:24father forgive me
31:34did you feel like you'd seen the devil the only thing in that room that belonged in hell was father
31:39simon he kept saying he had to the whole way to the station i'm sorry i had to i'm sorry
31:45i had to
31:46because he believed she was possessed she had a brain tumor that's what they found after the autopsy
31:51she needed a doctor not an exorcism and he wasn't a man of god he was a killer and the
31:56courts agreed
31:57so father simon was convicted of first-degree murder when we processed him we found a penny in
32:02his pocket nothing else just a penny didn't mean anything at the time but after rich connected those
32:07seven murders it seemed likely he was involved involved like he killed them no simon was already
32:13in prison when five of the murders took place and his dna didn't match any that was found on the
32:18corpses but he could have been part of whatever group rich was so afraid of which means he knew
32:23more than he had told us so we had to go back officers i remember you you you were the
32:31ones who
32:31tried to stop the ritual i just wish we would have gotten here sooner becca scott might still be alive
32:35oh she was long gone before you arrived the demon saw to that malifus do not say its name in
32:43my
32:43presence boy are you afraid we might accidentally summon it you may scorn me and my beliefs but i have
32:51fought this evil i know enough to fear its power what's more evil than murdering a child i took no
32:57pleasure in the act i'm grateful i had the courage to do what was necessary courage tell us about the
33:03penny that was in your pocket in the movie 300 days of hell malifus is sealed inside his host with
33:09copper before he can be killed banished not killed what's the difference the demon is a parasite needs
33:18a host once you kill the body that inhabits it find a new one pecca scott was just a single
33:25battle in
33:25a larger war if you're in here who's doing the fighting now the knights of avila los angeles has a
33:35long
33:35history of spiritualism esoteric religions that go back over 100 years so think aleister crowley jack
33:41parsons l ron hubbard he freaking loves this stuff i do anyway a lot of these groups started out as
33:48fraternal orders similar to the freemasons where people would gather and and share well yeah yes and
33:54and some women and they would share new ideas explore philosophies they also liked partying doing
34:02drugs and performing weird sex rituals sign me up for the intellectual exchanging of ideas
34:10obviously so the nice of avila is one of these groups it was like a lot of the similar organizations
34:15of the time it fell apart when the founder died it hasn't been active in 60 years then what was
34:21father
34:21simon talking about based on tim and lopez's conversation with father simon we began to believe
34:26that the group or at least the name had been revived sometime in the late 90s to the early 2000s
34:33and
34:34rebranded as some kind of demon hunting cult so rich was actually right there was a murderous cabal
34:42after him it seemed that way and we were getting close to discovering who their ringleader was
34:50i found him found who doug roberts i want to fill a life training for man oh you mean the
34:55director
34:56of the sad little demon porn where i was going through some old industry trades from around the
35:00time thdoh was slated to come out one of the articles mentioned that roberts was a client of
35:05stewart winecliffe at the golden talent agency the guy hasn't made a movie in 26 years i doubt they still
35:10read him not actively no but i called their offices and i bribed or like i talked one of the
35:15assistants
35:16into giving me the address where his residual checks are sent it's downtown let's go uh hold
35:20on you just want to go doorstep the guy if that means go knock on a door while also filming
35:25then yes
35:25yeah i'm not in the business of gotcha journalism what about the business of making that paper
35:31the guap money guy come on the doc business is oversaturated these days we need footage that
35:38p.o.p's and what pops more than blindsiding a potential cult later come on what's the worst that
35:45could happen this is it okay um uh here here's your camera um i don't operate oh no you do
36:01let's go what floor is it on eight but uh there's an elevator don't worry
36:14are you sure it's that way yep nope you know at the risk of being called a scaredy cat you
36:22do
36:22understand that this is inherently neither a wise nor safe activity you're asking a woman if she
36:28understands that it's inherently dangerous to go anywhere or do anything when you put it that way i
36:35sound like an ass maybe we should come back hey hello douglas roberts we're here to question you
36:45about murders and demons that should get his attention oh i am just an intern
36:57so clearly we're not deceased which means we saved you from certain deaths i'm not sure how certain it
37:04was right oh it felt pretty certain to me please don't kill us we will join your cult is there
37:09a
37:09membership fee or a secret handshake i love a secret handshake ignore her she's not right in the head
37:13in fact she has short-term memory issues so if you let her go now she won't remember any of
37:17this just
37:17shut up no one's going anywhere i mean technically we're all going somewhere
37:25all right let him go get your hands up up against jeep now let's go
37:36oh my god yeah thanks for trying to save me even though i'm the one who put us in danger
37:42no problem i was about to do the same thing but you just uh beat me to it i can
37:48be noble too
37:49no doubt yeah i get very claustrophobic can i just point out how claustrophobic i get please
37:54so when did you and douglas meet in the movie he was you know so commanding and driven and everything
38:02i wasn't when did he start talking about killing the demon it was uh at least a year after that
38:08he would
38:09call me late at night and talk about the demon and how scared he was for the world and eventually
38:15it started to make sense and he told you that someone was possessed correct her name was cynthia
38:23um she cried when i tied her up and she kept saying that she was not a demon she begged
38:29me to believe her
38:34and at that point he was very deep in my head and then tonight you know all the lies he
38:41was spewing at
38:41the end it was like somebody turned on the light switch i could just see him for who he was
38:47so pathetic
38:52we'll need you to write up a detailed confession
38:59i would like to make a deal
39:03uh we have already located your co-conspirators you don't really have anything to offer
39:09you don't want to know what an alien spaceship looks like
39:13i am all that stands between the world and damnation so all of the people that you had
39:20targeted they had to die for the greater good yes and my heart breaks for each of them but i
39:28will
39:29not let innocence fall to perdition okay have you had your fill of bs god yes okay me too so
39:36uh first
39:37victim cynthia green you dated for two years before she cheated on you marcus ford he worked as a
39:44teamster on your movie then later sued you for non-payment pamela jones wrote a scathing review of
39:51your movie really i i had no idea all seven victims were people who wronged you in some way you
39:59don't even
39:59believe in the demon you just used it as a tool to get people with weak minds to do your
40:03dirty work for you
40:08exactly i was the director i think you'll find i never laid a finger on any of the victims and
40:14i
40:15think you will find that manson died in prison
40:20all right uh anything else no i think we got everything okay that was a crazy one huh tell me
40:29about it and look thanks so much for all of your time and for saving our lives anything from my
40:34favorite
40:34documentarian actually the only documentarian i know not true i'm a documentarian too of course
40:39yes oh speaking of how did this whole uh working together thing go is this the start of a beautiful
40:46friendship i don't know i mean we have very different styles and instincts and well basically
40:52everything but i'd be able to do another collaboration
40:57oh um it's just i uh i kind of signed an exclusive three film deal with hulu
41:04what yeah i um i sent them a sizzle reel of this project just the me parts
41:08and uh they freaked said i'm gonna be the new face of true crime their words
41:12wow i mean you'd probably be able to bring him along though right oh totally totally
41:21i gotta go but uh thanks again hello no i said toronto and then camp
41:30i'm gonna be able to bring him along though right oh she'll probably call you
42:10damn it
42:12damn it
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