00:00Sir, like you mentioned, how messaging is very important when it comes to narrative building,
00:05especially when two nations are inching towards a war-like situation or for that matter conflict.
00:13Last year in July, first week of July, via a source, I got access to a dossier,
00:18which had all the information with regards to how there was this coordinated effort between
00:25Pakistan and China with regards to Rafale. If you remember on 7th of May, right after the operation,
00:31there was this claim by Pakistan that they have shot down five Indian aircrafts.
00:36Three of them were Rafale. And later on, that dossier goes on to explain how this was a coordinated effort
00:44and how influential people, journalists, think tanks from Pakistan were being used to peddle this news,
00:50similar with pro-China outlets as well. What do you have to say about that?
00:55No, no. So, absolutely, what you're saying is correct. So, Pakistan narrative basically was that,
01:02look, we are only being defensive. India has aggressively sort of attacked us.
01:07And they are responsible for the conflict. But we have managed to inflict such large casualties on them
01:16that actually we have come out on top. The other narrative, of course, as you said,
01:20that was an attempt to build up Chinese weapons and equipment.
01:27Yeah.
01:27That these are much better than, you know, the Western equipment.
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