00:00Before we get to Mas Kurnia, I want us to hear first, because Mr. Amin the day after the video circulated
00:05still providing clarification and we will first hear Mr. Amin Rais' statement.
00:14Yes, so I stood up, I said,
00:20because I believe that democracy is great, that freedom of expression is guaranteed by our constitution.
00:31unrestricted, not suppressed.
00:35Well, then what is called a democratic country, for people who think that is fine, yes,
00:43in the hands of the official rulers, in the hands of these other groups of people,
00:52but, what, so the point of conflict is, yes, the point of difference is,
01:01what, which is close to the fate of the nation.
01:07Mas Kurnia, what did you think of that?
01:11It was explained earlier that, okay, the temporary quotation marks can understand what Komdigi does, but there are.
01:19Since actual, I, we announced.
01:22The current ratio is like that.
01:23But, Mr. Amin still said that this is not allowed, this is a violation of income freedom.
01:28Yes, Mas Yogi, if you have watched it earlier, I said earlier, I watched the video,
01:34then I checked the words, Mas Yogi.
01:37When checking the entire sentence, I tried to find where the public policy lies here.
01:45When I read it more than three times, there was no aspect of public policy that was discussed personally.
01:53If earlier colleagues from the People's Party talked about legislation,
01:58I just want to ask a quick question, Mas Yogi.
02:02In the context of the legislation,
02:06where the article allows attacking someone's honor.
02:11We will let go of the aspects of public officials that are attached to the parties discussed by Mr. Amin Rais.
02:18That's the basic philosophy, it's not allowed.
02:21And also, Mas Yogi, I was curious when Mr. Amin was filming that video,
02:28Who were the people in the room, was there no one to remind you, Mr. Amin,
02:33that what was conveyed was far beyond the limits of statutory regulations.
02:40Mr. Yogi, in the context of actual statutory regulations,
02:45If there is a public policy aspect there, it is never prohibited.
02:49Earlier, Mas Yogi had confirmed this with the Director General.
02:52In terms of public policy, criticism is heard every minute on social media.
02:58Nothing was taken down by Komdiji.
03:01But in this case, don't let Mas Yogi,
03:04if there is a video testimony that attacks someone's honor,
03:10exit strategy freedom of speech.
03:12That means we are not educating the public.
03:16And again trying to frame that this Republic is an anti-democratic Republic.
03:21Even though the democratic path has been violated, it has crossed the line.
03:27Therefore, the government in this case wants to remind,
03:30good to Mr. Amin Rais,
03:33or parties who consider or normalize this action,
03:39It's not good like that, Mas Yogi.
03:41Because the duties of this figure have been quite well known to the public,
03:47must carry messages of peace.
03:50Criticism is fine, but it should be substantive.
03:53That's one, Mas Yogi.
03:54Then the second one,
03:55one of them, Mas Yogi,
03:57the duties of political parties in the political party law,
04:00it is to educate the public.
04:02So, say the right things,
04:06so that the public can also understand what the context of this problem is actually like.
04:11Okay, Mr. Kurnia.
04:12Mr. Hayar,
04:14in the spotlight, however, this people's party and political party
04:18who are on their way to the election of course, right,
04:23see what Mr. Kurnia said,
04:27what do you want to convey?
04:28Because it was clear earlier that it was an attack on a person,
04:33does not disturb the honor.
04:35What do you want to convey?
04:37So, this is my response, perhaps also responding to
04:41Mr. Kurnia and Mr. Iyai, yes.
04:43So, earlier Mr. Iyai also had atomum and all sorts of things.
04:47So, maybe I want to straighten out the context, okay?
04:50So, we don't want to get into the content or this is Mr. Amin's video,
04:56but the context is,
04:58if we talk about atomum,
05:00That's more of a fallacy, right?
05:02that is, if for example we are talking about something,
05:07then from that matter we attack the individual.
05:11Well, if this is it,
05:13Indeed, Mr. Amin is not criticizing a public policy or anything,
05:19but indeed he conveyed what he knew and which had become public concern.
05:28Like that.
05:29So, that's not it,
05:30if we are talking about atomumi, what are we talking about?
05:32then he just attacks the person like that.
05:34Well, this is not really...
05:37Mr. Ayer, have you watched the video?
05:39I've already.
05:40Having looked at the details,
05:41what good words were conveyed by Mr. Amin.
05:44Yes, it is clearly stated there that two names are being accused,
05:47then continue to mention.
05:49Isn't that personal?
05:51So, here it is.
05:52Earlier Mr. Kone said,
05:55we release it from public officials.
05:58Well, that's precisely where it is,
05:59that's the mistake,
06:01because of this,
06:03the name Mr Amin mentioned was a public official.
06:05Okay.
06:06So that,
06:07why is he willing to,
06:11say,
06:13stand in front to voice the concerns of the community,
06:17because the person mentioned is a public official.
06:22For example, if
06:22say the names mentioned,
06:26nobody,
06:27or our friends,
06:29or retail traders,
06:31or something, like that,
06:33yes, that's what it's called attacking the public,
06:34what, personal attack,
06:36and has nothing to do with the public interest.
06:39Well, why Mr. Amin,
06:40to the point of releasing a video like that,
06:43Yes, because,
06:44it is related to public officials.
06:46So, we can't get away from that.
06:48I will return to Mr. Ayar later.
06:50Mrs. Vivi,
06:51What does KomDigi actually do?
06:53in the context of maintaining public digital space,
06:56to stay healthy,
06:57That's not just the case of Mr. Amin's video, right?
07:00Not related to who is mentioned in the video,
07:03our daily task is to manage the digital space,
07:08there is a hoax related to banking,
07:11related to health,
07:13even some time ago,
07:15there is a hoax regarding the death of a national figure,
07:19which we must take immediate action.
07:22So, every day we confirm there are many hoaxes,
07:27don't immediately become public consumption,
07:29because don't let the information circulating in society,
07:34which is not based on data or facts,
07:37which let's say is considered freedom of opinion.
07:41Excuse me,
07:42can't be like that,
07:44because freedom of speech is not absolute,
07:47because it must be based on data or facts.
07:50If for example it is just criticism,
07:52it's still okay,
07:54because criticism is part of democracy.
07:56But if it enters the realm of information that is not based on facts,
08:01and tends to mislead the public,
08:03we must take action,
08:05so that this digital space remains safe and conducive.
08:09This is a bit technical.
08:11If I'm not mistaken, two days after the video aired,
08:15Was there just action from KomDigi or was it immediate?
08:18Because after all,
08:20any material that has the potential to mislead the public,
08:24there has to be verification.
08:26This can't be based on likes or dislikes.
08:29But there is a team in digital space supervision under KomDigi,
08:33it does verification,
08:36conduct analysis,
08:38fact check,
08:39as is done perhaps on Kompas TV,
08:42all information that comes to the editorial desk,
08:46is everything suitable for public consumption,
08:49is it suitable for most broadcasts,
08:50Why do I ask this,
08:51More or less the same.
08:52Because there is also speculation,
08:54and I need confirmation,
08:55Wow, this must be a call from the palace,
08:57The Minister of Communication and Digital Affairs was asked to take down.
09:00This is why I confirmed.
09:01Verification runs in accordance with the mandate used.
09:05There is no such thing,
09:06Mom wants to say that it is actually something that is done routinely by,
09:09in the context of maintaining space.
09:11That's right,
09:11and also on KomDigi there are content complaints,
09:15if for example anyone feels disadvantaged,
09:18please complain to the link.
09:21So this is really an initiative from KomDigi,
09:24in the context of maintaining public digital space,
09:26and there was no intervention from the palace.
09:27Because it has been confirmed that this is a hoax,
09:29slanderous, and contains hate speech.
09:31Mr. Kiai,
09:32Mr. Kiai,
09:34seeing us,
09:36Indonesia now,
09:37in the context of freedom,
09:38it's really loose,
09:40or just Mr. Kiai's observations?
09:43According to me,
09:44I ask permission to whisper.
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