00:02For example, the Sargent Erazo tells us that Livio José Martínez
00:06he helped by his own self, he helped to carry a little bit of his moral
00:12because Edgar was sick of his foot, he had his foot mal,
00:16and they had made a parade that night, the night before, was it Viviana?
00:21No, because he would have had his foot mal since then,
00:23but in the course of the cautiver.
00:25Of course, of the long walk, Edgar got his foot,
00:30so they had to stop and try to cure him and everything,
00:35but he said, no, I can't walk, I can't walk,
00:38so Livio Martínez he helped with part of his belongings.
00:42Did he tell you about the cautiverio, the sufferings,
00:46the cams, if they were with the troops, with the police in any moment?
00:51Yes, he tells us, he said, he said, he said, he said,
00:58he said that the FARC, in any way, the order was to kill them.
01:03He was aware of that?
01:04Yes, he was aware of that.
01:05Yes, for us it is evident, and it is clear that the FARC
01:08the FARC was killed by the FARC.
01:10You know, you don't have the minimum doubt
01:11that they were killed by the FARC.
01:13At least for us, for us, for Viviana, for me,
01:17we have talked a lot, and we have gotten to the conclusion
01:21that, of course, it is clear that they were the FARC,
01:23of course, it is evident that they were the FARC
01:27who killed Edgar and his colleagues,
01:30and our local partners, it is what we have for us.
01:33For that we speak, we speak like Susie and Viviana.
01:38You see that the FARC
01:43not have the coagulation,
01:46let it go, let it go, let it go, let it go.
01:50Let it go, let it go.
01:56to take the same time to secuestrarlos, and also that they kill them.
02:02We really left ourselves without words before this.
02:05I think it's injuste, it's injuste that there has been something that happens.
02:09And I'm like my daughter, I'm like my daughter, I'm like that it's so painful that he gave me the
02:13life to me
02:14and that they have taken him away. It's something that does greatly.
02:18Just, you had a little more than two years, Viviana, when, of a infamy,
02:23the FARC, secuestran y retienen a su padre durante tanto tiempo,
02:27y ahora lo que le queda justamente son estos cuadernos que sí, que están llenos de mensajes maravillosos,
02:33pero que de una u otra forma no se lo van a devolver nunca.
02:38¿Qué piensa de cómo ha sido su vida, la vida de una niña totalmente lejos de ese ser que le
02:45dio la vida?
02:47Lastimosamente se puede decir que a pesar de todo me ha tocado madurar,
02:51de cierta forma, como se dice, biche, porque me tocó empezar a saber hablar en la radio,
02:58a saber hablar con, yo que sé, con el gobierno, con las personas, a pedir por mi papá,
03:03a crecer de una forma sabiendo que mi papá estaba secuestrado y que yo tenía que luchar por él.
03:09Pero cada vez que veo los cuadernos sé que mi papá no estuvo conmigo,
03:13pero él escribía en los cuadernos como si me lo estuviera diciendo a mí,
03:16como si él supiera que algún día esos cuadernos nos iban a llegar a nosotras.
03:20Y de cierta forma no me crió, no estuvo conmigo en mi etapa de niña.
03:26Como él lo hubiera querido en cualquier caso.
03:28Y eso se lo manifestó en los cuadernos. ¿Cuántos cuadernos en total?
03:32Hay aproximadamente unos cinco cuadernos, cuatro o cinco cuadernos también contando.
03:38Sí, cuatro o cinco cuadernos.
03:39Viviana venía en la caravana por la libertad cuando conocí la noticia, ¿cierto?
03:43Exactamente. Yo me vine desde París precisamente por eso, por la caravana.
03:47Cuando nos dimos cuenta de eso estábamos en la vía de Pasto Popayán
03:53y nos dimos cuenta en el bus.
03:55Nosotros también estábamos con los otros familiares de Moreno, de... ¿quién más?
04:01De Moreno, de Elkin Hernández y de Livio José Martínez y no estábamos...
04:06...
04:07...
04:07to be
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