00:06The meeting is important because it is deepening the rest of the relationship of Colombia-Venezuela.
00:14First, there was a telephone call when Petro was elected president,
00:19then Álvaro Leyváez entró in contact with his homólogo,
00:25then there was a number of ambassadors, re-aperture front, and it seems to me that with this
00:31we ended up completing this normalization and very surely the president wants to advance more,
00:37because until now the advance, although it has been significant, especially in terms of migratory and commercialization,
00:44it has not been as significant as expected, as well as representative, as substantial,
00:51and above all in terms of commercial numbers.
01:03Those points basically have each one a challenge.
01:07In the bilateral agenda is the migratory challenge.
01:10This negation of Venezuela is very dangerous for Colombia.
01:16Obviously, there is also the issue of security.
01:18For Colombia it is important that Venezuela cooperate, and for Venezuela it is important that Colombia cooperate.
01:24They both have serious security problems in the area of their respective border.
01:30Obviously, the re-aperture of borders implica abordar the issue of commercial.
01:35For Venezuela it is important for the timid reactivation that begins to asom.
01:39It needs to be seen with Colombia, and for Colombia it is important to reactivate the caída of the zone
01:45of border.
01:47And the return of Venezuela to the interamerican system is more complicated.
01:52I think it will be difficult.
01:54For Venezuela it is a very sensitive issue.
01:58But to Venezuela it is important to reactivate its participation in the multilateral spaces.
02:03It has resulted in a very difficult situation.
02:06So, I think the idea is that if Venezuela proposes the return of the interamerican system,
02:12as the initial cost to return to the rest of the institutions,
02:17the Permanent Committee of the ABEA, the Andina community,
02:20I think there are scenarios that urge to go to Venezuela in this reactivation,
02:25even though it is not surprising that Maduro ends up accepting it,
02:31and whenever I insist on that Venezuela can guarantee a return to those spaces multilaterals
02:37that have been suspended in this way.
02:40So, what do you think about the migration system?
02:48The migration system is very sensitive to Colombia, which is very important,
02:55and it is a topic that until now both of us have wanted to escape,
02:59very likely because they do not want to instrumentalize it.
03:02I understand that there is so much politicization around the migration that is not positive,
03:07especially in the past government, in the Colombian government.
03:12So, obviously, I think the issue will come out at some point,
03:15but that it is not a topic apart from the agenda is very informative,
03:19but for me, it is logical to be aware of the sensitivity that the issue is generated in both states.
03:32I think that we basically expect a normalization,
03:35that Colombia and Venezuela to come back to what they have been historically,
03:39it is to say, two neighbors that although they have frequent controversies and this is normal,
03:45I think it is just logical that states that compartan borders,
03:51that they have this type of inconvenience.
03:53Mexico and the United States pass in the cono sur with Brazil and Argentina,
04:02it is to say, it is normal that the states have this type of tensions,
04:07Uruguay and Argentina, but I think that here what is important is that,
04:11at the margin of these controversies, the relationship no se deshaga,
04:15no haya crisis diplomáticas tan profundas,
04:18but that the controversies are managed within the framework of the diplomatia
04:21as it has to occur today in the world.
04:23So, I think that this is what they are pointing to,
04:25and if it is possible, for Colombia it is important,
04:27that Venezuela contribute to the peace in Colombia in the process of peace with the ELN and that
04:35Colombia eventualmente pueda volver a ser mediadora entre gobierno and the oposición,
04:39as it was in 2015, the last election that there was in Venezuela legítima,
04:43in December 2015, election legislativa, Colombia in the time of Santos and Orguin,
04:49it was a very successful facilitator,
04:52Petro has said, we want to contribute to that dialogue,
04:56and Colombia has a sort of ascended on the opposition and on the officialism,
05:00so I think that, although it sounds ambitious,
05:03it is not bad that Colombia le apunte because it is a need cada vez more urgent.
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