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00:04:13how's your mom she's good we should all get together before you head off
00:04:21somewhere again we should
00:04:39got something someone's declared war on the united states
00:04:47this is his declaration of war yes see he's got a gun
00:04:52yes i can see that but he appears to be declaring war from a cave
00:04:57rather than from an air force base with a vast array of missile-laden bombers
00:05:04yes but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take him seriously
00:05:21is this going to be gold for daniel loader of new zealand
00:05:25daniel loader of new zealand leads the pack in the center of the pool
00:05:28down to the wire yes yes go go go go go
00:05:33and he will be our first new zealand swimmer to win an individual gold medal at an olympic games
00:05:40loader makes history for his country
00:05:43he's declared war on the u.s who is he
00:05:48off the record of course he's from one of the richest families in saudi arabia
00:05:56osama bin laden what's he doing in a cave
00:06:01back in 86 he had gone to afghanistan to fight the russians
00:06:04he led a small force defending a mountain village against the soviet attack
00:06:08he held out for a month finally the red army gave up
00:06:12it was seen as a sign that the russians could be beaten
00:06:15made his reputation
00:06:17a reputation known here
00:06:20yes we befriended him
00:06:21armed him
00:06:23yes
00:06:24and subsequently he seems to have turned on us
00:06:27can't trust anyone
00:06:29he got active in saudi arabia
00:06:31active how so
00:06:32he moved back there decried the american presence
00:06:35he got kicked out moved on to sudan got kicked out of there
00:06:38now he's made this declaration of war
00:06:43but does it mean anything i mean really
00:06:46someone sits in a cave in afghanistan and videos themselves declaring war on the united states
00:06:52i mean
00:06:52i went to the office of the attorney general and i asked was it a crime for someone sitting in
00:06:57a cave in afghanistan
00:06:58to declare war on the united states is that a crime
00:07:02well
00:07:03they didn't know
00:07:05that's what i love about the states
00:07:06you can declare war on it and you may well be within your rights
00:07:10finally they got back to me and said that there was a conspiracy statute from the civil war
00:07:15seriously
00:07:15it forbade instigating violence or attempting to overthrow the united states government
00:07:21could be applied
00:07:23possibly
00:07:25so you are taking him seriously
00:07:28we take every threat seriously
00:07:29sure but
00:07:32how much of a threat would you say he is
00:07:34do you mean is he a five minute time slot threat
00:07:36or a full commercial hour
00:07:40so
00:07:40is that it
00:07:42is that all you got on him
00:07:50recently a sudanese turned up in germany
00:07:52seeking relocation to america
00:07:54in exchange for some information
00:07:56i was intrigued so i went over
00:07:58after a while he started talking about this organization called al-qaeda
00:08:03with training camps and sleeper cells
00:08:05said that they were responsible for the hotel bombing in yemen
00:08:08and that they trained the insurgents that shot down our black hawks in somalia
00:08:12well trained well-trained well-resourced battle-hardened dedicated to destroying america 100 men but connected to a larger radical
00:08:23movement and all under the control of
00:08:30osama bin osama bin laden
00:08:31we take him very seriously we've had him expelled from saudi arabia and sudan afghanistan's his final bolt hole
00:08:38whereabouts in afghanistan
00:08:41actually peter
00:08:41actually peter
00:08:43that's what we'd like to know
00:08:46the cia don't know where he is either
00:08:48when the prophet was expelled from mecca
00:08:51where did he go
00:08:54medina
00:08:54but whereabouts in medina
00:08:58a cave
00:08:59a cave
00:09:01and in this cave
00:09:03the angel gabriel appeared to him
00:09:04and gabriel announced
00:09:08you are the messenger of god
00:09:32but what's his plan
00:09:36that's what we want to ask him
00:09:40so you're gonna send someone to go find this bin laden and talk to him
00:09:45someone
00:09:46a young reporter perhaps
00:09:48youngish
00:09:51dad
00:09:51how old are you now
00:09:53what sort of question is that to ask a man of my age
00:09:55it's a question you ask of someone when you think they should start slowing down a bit
00:10:00you've already won all the glittering prizes
00:10:03take it easy
00:10:04let the world go about its business while you go fishing
00:10:07how can i go fishing
00:10:09when things keep happening
00:10:11and you've got to follow them
00:10:13yes
00:10:14this is my life
00:10:17elsa
00:10:19we're almost at the end of the century
00:10:22somewhere out there
00:10:24there's something that's going to define the next
00:10:27i'm the one that's going to find it
00:10:32i rank london
00:10:34if you want to know what's going on with the jihadists
00:10:36you start in london
00:10:37you start in londonistan
00:10:38guess what i found out
00:10:41we're not alone
00:10:43cbs and the bbc are on the trail
00:10:45we've been putting out feelers
00:10:47well that's great
00:10:49how is that great
00:10:50well because clearly this is the story
00:10:54well what are we waiting for
00:10:56budget approval
00:10:57yeah
00:10:59hey sweetie
00:11:01so have you found your man yet
00:11:03working on it
00:11:05cbs and the bbc are after him too
00:11:09he won't go with the bbc
00:11:11why would he go with the bbc
00:11:14he's declared his holy war on the united states
00:11:16not britain
00:11:18it's cbs or us
00:11:19and you know where he is
00:11:21no
00:11:22but someone does
00:11:24couldn't find out much about him
00:11:25other than his war with the russians in afghanistan
00:11:29what exactly does he want
00:11:31at the end of the day
00:11:33he wants an islamic state
00:11:34a caliphate
00:11:36that appears to be it yes
00:11:38is he serious
00:11:39but how and where does he plan to do that
00:11:42in this day and age
00:11:44someone's got to ask him
00:11:46are you sure this is a good idea
00:11:48these people are dangerous
00:11:51i'm talking to your contacts in dark places
00:11:54but it doesn't have to be you
00:11:57yes
00:11:58it does
00:12:03danion loda is from new zealand
00:12:05priscilla the queen of the desert
00:12:07is from australia
00:12:08they're two separate places
00:12:10i'm from new zealand
00:12:12you do not get there
00:12:13by driving across the sydney harbour bridge
00:12:20peter
00:12:22guess where i am
00:12:28we've got a budget
00:12:51we've got a budget
00:12:53any news
00:12:54well well well peter bergen
00:12:57hi chad
00:12:59barnet and toe
00:13:00chad
00:13:01what are you two doing in london
00:13:03visiting the tower
00:13:05you've got to be careful
00:13:07they may not let you out
00:13:11cbs news
00:13:12cbs news
00:13:12yeah come on
00:13:22thank you
00:13:29so
00:13:31why now do you reckon
00:13:33bin laden's decided the time is ripe
00:13:35to follow up his various statements
00:13:37to the middle east
00:13:39he's calling on the middle east
00:13:41to rise up
00:13:44and he wants to explain why
00:13:46to the western media
00:13:49there's an outfit
00:13:50here in london
00:13:51called the advice and reformation committee
00:13:53a media information office
00:13:55set up to push bin laden
00:13:57and do a bit of recruitment
00:14:00recruitment for what
00:14:01bin laden's private army
00:14:03looks like
00:14:05thank you
00:14:40hey ya
00:14:41you're a long way from the tower of london
00:14:44good luck with whatever you're pursuing
00:14:45hey buddy
00:14:47although you might be a little late
00:14:49asshole
00:14:50come on
00:14:57mr burger
00:14:58khalid
00:14:59you just missed one of your colleagues
00:15:01yes he didn't miss us
00:15:03such competition in the western media
00:15:05which i'm sure you'll agree is no bad thing for you
00:15:10khalid this is peter annette
00:15:12of whom you will have heard
00:15:13of course
00:15:14this is peter annette live from baghdad
00:15:17well other western journalists were a part of desert shield
00:15:20peter annette remained in baghdad
00:15:22and reported from there while it was being bombed
00:15:25well
00:15:25that's where the story was
00:15:29an honor
00:15:30mr annette
00:15:32peter this is khalid abdurroman al-fawas
00:15:35salam aleikum
00:15:36al-khammasalam
00:15:42oh
00:15:45this is the office of the advice and reformation committee
00:15:50an active committee
00:15:53and this is my colleague
00:15:55adele abdel pari
00:15:59bonjour
00:16:00bonjour
00:16:02bonjour
00:16:03this is mr annette
00:16:04please
00:16:23we have received three applications to interview shikosama
00:16:29si bs news c beds news bbc news and yourselves
00:16:32les trois applications sont encore d'examen
00:16:35shah ossama lui-même écoute la bbc
00:16:39all three applications are being examined
00:16:42shikosama himself listens to the bbc
00:16:45the BBC News has great prestige and integrity CBS offers a mass American
00:16:52audience what do you offer the most famous journalist in the world 1966
00:17:00Pulitzer Prize winner for his coverage of the Vietnam War the only Western
00:17:05reporter to cover the Gulf War from the inside what do we offer we offer Peter
00:17:12Arnett
00:17:30this is the BBC World Service here is the news Taliban forces have consolidated
00:17:38their grip on Kabul after storming the presidential palace 24 hours ago
00:17:43ousted president Mohameddin Rabbani his Prime Minister and his military chief are
00:17:50being hunted by the radical Islamic group random national criminals the former
00:17:56president Muhammad Najibullah and his brother have already been executed by the
00:18:02militants opposition leader Mullah Muhammad Omar and his Taliban fighters have been
00:18:09repulsed from Kabul twice before but this time appeared to have secured the city
00:18:15hundreds of fighters and civilians have been killed in the conflict and many more
00:18:20have fled to areas still held by government forces
00:18:34hello hello next time you answer it they'll go for you they'll go with the BBC they want
00:18:44American television the BBC has class but it hasn't got guts you've got guts they'll go for you
00:19:01you understand
00:19:10well
00:19:11excuse me
00:19:16could you bring us a bottle of champagne in an ice bucket and two of your best crystal glasses please
00:19:21yes
00:19:24yes yes yes
00:19:25yes
00:19:25yes
00:19:30we do not want them following you
00:19:33you are to say
00:19:34if anyone inquires that you are going to Kuwait
00:19:37that is what you say
00:19:40if you think you are being followed you are to abandon your trip and contact me
00:19:44if you continue your trip knowing that you are being followed your lives will be
00:19:50at risk you must take me seriously on this
00:19:56once more into the breach
00:19:57yes
00:19:58Peter
00:19:59hi
00:20:00Peter you know Peter Annette
00:20:02Peter
00:20:03three Peters
00:20:05must be lucky
00:20:08so
00:20:09where are we going
00:20:10officially it's Kuwait
00:20:13we're going to Afghanistan
00:20:14uh-huh
00:20:15know it well
00:20:16then you'll know it's not going to be simple
00:20:19heads up
00:20:22hey
00:20:23how fun assignment
00:20:24Kuwait
00:20:27he's not in Kuwait
00:20:29even I know that
00:20:34Khalid
00:20:35gentlemen
00:20:37you will find that Shikosama is a very humble patriot
00:20:41he's a hero of the war in Afghanistan
00:20:44he escaped death from the Russians
00:20:45Allah
00:20:46praise be his name
00:20:47was watching over him
00:20:50he
00:20:51seems to have it in for a lot of people
00:20:53he is opposed to the presence of American troops in Saudi Arabia
00:20:56this is the birthplace of the Prophet
00:20:59the House of Saud
00:21:00who allows foreign troops there for their own purposes
00:21:03he considers them not true Muslims
00:21:05the House of Saud
00:21:07they are apostates
00:21:08last I heard
00:21:09he was calling for the death of all US citizens
00:21:12that's
00:21:12three hundred and twenty million people
00:21:14these are views are neither condemned nor condone
00:21:16give what take the odd million
00:21:17I merely work for the Air Force
00:21:18you go ahead
00:21:19I'll catch up
00:21:30thanks
00:21:30thanks very much
00:21:46dad?
00:21:48it's dad
00:21:48hey sweetie
00:21:51I'm still in London
00:21:53back in New York soon
00:21:55shouldn't be long
00:21:57just have to make a side trip
00:22:00where to?
00:22:01I'm going to Kuwait
00:22:02Kuwait?
00:22:04yes
00:22:06when will you be back?
00:22:07oh very soon
00:22:09very very soon
00:22:12I'll ring when I've made a booking back to New York
00:22:15call me from Kuwait
00:22:16I'll try
00:22:20what are you doing?
00:22:22I'm having lunch
00:22:26you still there?
00:22:27sure
00:22:28sure
00:22:28I was just
00:22:30thinking of Central Park
00:22:31lunch with you
00:22:36where are you having lunch?
00:22:38windows on the world
00:22:40in the World Trade Center
00:22:42clearly you're not
00:22:44by yourself
00:22:45no
00:22:47oh I've just remembered
00:22:48it's your mom's birthday tomorrow
00:22:51actually
00:22:52it's today
00:22:54are you sure?
00:22:55hold on
00:22:56hold on
00:22:56I'll ask
00:22:57it is your birthday today
00:22:59isn't it?
00:22:59yes it is
00:23:00she says it is
00:23:02you want to speak to her?
00:23:03uh no
00:23:04no
00:23:04it's
00:23:05uh
00:23:09passed on my birthday greetings
00:23:11dad wants birthday greetings
00:23:12passed on to you
00:23:15she said that's very kind of you
00:23:17she wants to know how you are
00:23:20I'm fine
00:23:21I'm fine
00:23:22mom says
00:23:24slow down
00:23:26I will
00:23:27she said that people can't keep up with you
00:23:29I know
00:23:30I know
00:23:31she says they drop off the pace
00:23:34people are looking after me
00:23:35then let them do it
00:23:37dad slow down
00:23:41well
00:23:45lots of love
00:23:47lots of love to you too dad
00:23:50and your mom
00:23:57see you when I see ya
00:23:59keep safe in Kuwait
00:24:01I will
00:24:11you will go to Islamabad
00:24:13and you will wait there until you hear from us
00:24:27I'll interview any subject I feel is newsworthy
00:24:29provided I get to ask the questions that have to be asked
00:24:33what about Hitler?
00:24:35Adolf Hitler?
00:24:35of course
00:24:36if someone wanted it
00:24:38if no one wanted to pay for it I wouldn't
00:24:40ah so they'd just have to pay you would they?
00:24:42well if they wanted it of course
00:24:44yes
00:24:44and the first question
00:24:46I'd ask Hitler
00:24:47is
00:24:48why are you murdering all the Jews of Europe?
00:24:51now you might say
00:24:52he wouldn't allow such a question
00:24:53mm-hmm
00:24:56pass me that bottle
00:25:03oh
00:25:16come on
00:25:19you
00:25:26hold on
00:25:27there
00:25:27all
00:25:39Let's go.
00:28:14What are you doing, Ahmed?
00:28:15Talk to me.
00:28:27What about how you got started, Peter?
00:28:30How did you start?
00:28:32Well, you've heard of the London Times?
00:28:36I have.
00:28:38The New York Times?
00:28:39Of course.
00:28:41Well, allow me to introduce you to...
00:28:43The Southland Times.
00:28:47Taught me two things.
00:28:49Taught me accuracy,
00:28:51and it taught me how to write.
00:28:53I loved it.
00:28:55Trouble was, I had itchy feet.
00:28:58So, I worked in Bangkok, got a job as an editor
00:29:02when the last drunk walked out.
00:29:04Then Laos, thrown out of Jakarta,
00:29:07drifted on...
00:29:09Vietnam.
00:29:26A US major said to me today,
00:29:29it became necessary to destroy the town
00:29:32in order to save it.
00:29:36Johnson and McNamara, Nixon and Kissinger,
00:29:40they knew the war was unwinnable.
00:29:42They betrayed the young kids they sent to Vietnam.
00:29:45The war ended because America finally lost faith in itself.
00:30:02But, I met my wife there.
00:30:10And what about Baghdad?
00:30:12You were there in 91.
00:30:14The Gulf War, yeah.
00:30:17The first war broadcast live on TV.
00:30:20The bombing is intensifying now.
00:30:23The explosions are coming closer to this part of the town.
00:30:2534 members of Congress signed a petition accusing me of unpatriotic journalism.
00:30:32The rest...
00:30:34is history.
00:30:39PHONE RINGS
00:30:43Peter Bergen?
00:30:46What?
00:30:55It's off.
00:30:56What? Why?
00:30:58Wasn't told.
00:31:00It's not off.
00:31:01It's off if we say it's off.
00:31:02But right now it's not off.
00:31:03It's off.
00:31:18It's off.
00:31:20It's off.
00:31:21It's on.
00:31:22It, it's on.
00:31:32The silence
00:32:00Let's go.
00:32:07Who is it?
00:32:08Peter.
00:32:15There's been an attempt on bin Laden's life.
00:32:19His security have built a wall around him.
00:32:21We have to wait.
00:32:23How long?
00:32:24I don't know.
00:32:29I bumped into that friend of yours.
00:32:31What friend?
00:32:32Your CIA contact.
00:32:33O'Rourke, if that's his name.
00:32:36O'Rourke's in his llama butt.
00:32:37He's here.
00:32:38Where did you see him?
00:32:39Hotel Foyer.
00:32:48There's only one reason why he'd be here.
00:32:52The same reason we're here.
00:32:58Yes?
00:33:02Come on.
00:33:04Go.
00:33:05I will go.
00:33:06Okay.
00:33:10Go.
00:33:23Go.
00:33:25Oh.
00:33:28No.
00:33:29Go now.
00:33:30Go.
00:33:31What's going on, Manny?
00:33:40What's going on, Manny?
00:33:42I'm here.
00:33:44What's going on?
00:33:46The CIA is here.
00:33:48No, it's not possible.
00:33:51They offer a million dollars in an hour
00:33:54for all information about the localization of Sheikh Assama.
00:33:58And 2 million dollars for someone to remove it
00:34:03and take it to Pakistan.
00:34:04Can you tell someone why you're here?
00:34:07No, we're making a story about refugees.
00:34:16Meanwhile, behind Taliban lines,
00:34:19the average Afghani villager carries on
00:34:21the state and allies in a manner little changed over the centuries.
00:34:28Peter?
00:34:31Surprise.
00:34:36So, why are you here, Peter?
00:34:38It's a story we're working on.
00:34:41Uh-huh.
00:34:42Refugees pouring across from Afghanistan.
00:34:45You're not thinking of going over the border?
00:34:47No one can get over the border.
00:34:49You've been trying?
00:34:51No way. It's not in the picture.
00:34:54Well, you know why I'm here, then.
00:34:56I can take a pretty good guess.
00:35:08Peter, where are you?
00:35:10I'm outside, out the back on the terrace.
00:35:16Peter, if you're onto his whereabouts, if you have a lead, you have to share it.
00:35:21It's refugees, Pat.
00:35:22Plain and simple.
00:35:23We all have kids back home.
00:35:26Kids, wives, moms, dads.
00:35:29I've got this job defending them.
00:35:31And I need all the help I can get.
00:35:34Because the bombings, they're not going to stop here.
00:35:40Peter.
00:35:42Pat O'Rourke.
00:35:43Peter Bergen.
00:35:44Yes, I think we crossed paths earlier.
00:35:46Yes.
00:35:48I was telling Pat about the refugee program we're putting together.
00:35:51Yes, why we're here.
00:35:54Well, I'll leave you to it.
00:35:57Peter.
00:35:58Pat.
00:35:59Mr. Bergen.
00:36:03Don't forget what I said.
00:36:13What's he been saying?
00:36:15He wants us to share any info we've got.
00:36:18We don't have any info.
00:36:19That's right.
00:36:20Because what we're doing is a program on refugees.
00:36:23Exactly.
00:36:26It's on again.
00:36:32I look happy.
00:36:35I look happy.
00:36:44The U.S. Consulate was the target of a suicide bomb attack yesterday.
00:36:49Three guards outside the building died in the blast and nine American contractors were wounded.
00:36:55The explosives were hidden inside a vehicle delivering supplies to the consulate,
00:37:00detonated during the busy morning rush hour.
00:37:03The attack occurred in one of the most secure areas of the city,
00:37:07surrounded by government offices, guarded by three-meter blast walls and security forces.
00:37:13Other Western embassies, including the British and German consulates, are located there.
00:37:18Hi, you've reached Elsa.
00:37:19Sorry I can't take your call right now.
00:37:21Leave me a message and I'll call you right back.
00:37:24Hi, sweetie.
00:37:27It's your dad.
00:37:29Just ring it in to say...
00:37:34I'm safe and well.
00:37:37In Kuwait.
00:37:42Hope the same with you.
00:37:46We'll be home soon.
00:37:52We'll be home soon.
00:37:53Lots of love, sweetie.
00:37:59We'll be home soon.
00:38:16Hey, Peter.
00:38:18Everything okay?
00:38:20Oh, just checking to see if there were any calls from my daughter.
00:38:23She worries about me.
00:38:25Okay.
00:38:31Hi, you've reached Elson.
00:38:33Sorry I can't...
00:38:38Thanks.
00:38:39Okay.
00:38:47Okay.
00:39:11When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's planes,
00:39:15and the women come out to cut up what remains.
00:39:19Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains.
00:39:23And go to your gold, like a soldier.
00:39:25Ah, yes, Kipling.
00:39:26Same place, another time.
00:39:30Good advice.
00:39:31Remember it.
00:39:56Get a message from your daughter.
00:39:58No signal up here.
00:40:01But I've told her all's well.
00:40:04We're in Kuwait.
00:40:05Huh.
00:40:10Not easy, is it?
00:40:12Sometimes.
00:40:13What's that?
00:40:17Hi.
00:40:28Did you know Abel's buried around here?
00:40:31Abel?
00:40:32Hmm.
00:40:32Abel who?
00:40:33Abel Tasman?
00:40:34Who the fuck's Abel Tasman?
00:40:38Abel.
00:40:39The son of Adam and Eve?
00:40:40Abel from the Bible.
00:40:42Abel.
00:40:42Cain slew Abel and dragged his body up here somewhere.
00:40:46From Mesopotamia.
00:40:48Well, I don't know, but he dragged his body up here and he buried it.
00:40:51Where does it say that?
00:40:52What do you mean where does it say that?
00:40:53Where in the Bible does it say Cain buried Abel in the Khyber Pass?
00:40:57Well, I don't know.
00:41:00Where does it say it anywhere then?
00:41:02Is there a signpost up ahead saying tomb of Adam and Eve's boy Abel two kilometers?
00:41:07Look, I read it on some site, alright?
00:41:12That could be it.
00:41:18Huh.
00:41:20We'll see.
00:41:31What did he get?
00:41:35Drive on, drive on.
00:41:38That wasn't going to stop.
00:41:41That wasn't going to stop.
00:41:41Yeah.
00:42:02All right.
00:42:05How far's the border?
00:42:07Uh, I'd say, I'd say about 20 miles up ahead.
00:42:36As much.
00:43:12you speak english yes you know you cannot enter afghanistan without the injury visa
00:43:17yes and foreigners are not issued injury visas yes
00:43:27you will be back here within half an hour probably possibly alive then again
00:43:35you're a fun guy
00:43:38what are we doing we're stealing our nerves well when you reach the rubicon you don't go fishing
00:43:48i read it somewhere
00:43:52wait everyone ready we insured against what death
00:44:19there's someone here to meet us
00:44:23peter's right rubicon reached no time for fishing
00:44:28it would have been a comfort to have had entry visas foreigners can't get entry visas
00:44:33yes we know that pete
00:44:37russia russia russia
00:44:38russia russia
00:44:53Salam alaikum.
00:45:15Salam alaikum.
00:45:43What's going on?
00:46:08Check it out. Video tape in the tree.
00:46:12I'll have to be careful with that camera, Pete.
00:46:14Oh, Christ.
00:46:19Americans.
00:46:21New Zealand.
00:46:22Brought up in England.
00:46:23English.
00:46:24I'll take the Queen.
00:46:40Okay.
00:46:42Go.
00:46:44Drive on here.
00:46:46Drive on here.
00:46:47Here.
00:46:48Yeah.
00:47:03I'm done.
00:47:04I'm done.
00:47:14I'm done.
00:47:26You know what Harold McMillan said?
00:47:29British Prime Minister, 1950s, 1960s.
00:47:32He was asked what he'd learned from a lifetime in politics.
00:47:36A lifetime.
00:47:38He had a long thing and said,
00:47:41never invade Afghanistan.
00:47:48British Prime Minister, 1950s, 1970s, 1950s, 1950s, 1950s, 1950s.
00:48:01Better pull over.
00:48:03Get out or wait?
00:48:07Stay seated.
00:48:16Salaam Alaikum
00:48:18Salaam
00:48:19American
00:48:20English
00:48:21Raised in England
00:48:22New Zealander
00:48:26English
00:48:27Ireland Road
00:48:29Passports
00:48:38American
00:48:40Raised in England
00:48:41English
00:48:46Born in New Zealand
00:48:48Kiwi
00:48:50We're here to talk to Osama Bin Laden
00:48:55Osama Bin Laden
00:48:56Osama Bin Laden
00:48:57Yes
00:49:17Hello
00:49:18Hello
00:49:20Hello
00:49:21Go
00:49:23Go
00:49:23Okay
00:49:51To be continued
00:50:22I've been here before.
00:50:23Me too.
00:50:24Different times.
00:50:26Yeah, different bloody times indeed.
00:50:54I've been here.
00:51:15you're his media advisor correct he has a media advisor yes we have ruined an ancient culture
00:51:22well mr media advisor i thought i was to do an interview that is correct well this is not an
00:51:28interview this is our interview i give you a set of questions you go away come back and tell me
00:51:36which ones i can ask and which i can't and then mr bin laden answers them yes no that's not
00:51:42an
00:51:42interview i don't want to repeat myself if we give you prepared questions all we're gonna get
00:51:47are prepared answers yes correct
00:52:00we're simply here to ask the questions record the answers take them back to the network
00:52:04i want to find out what makes him titty n and don't want him ticking they want him answering questions
00:52:13you've got to see this what is it
00:52:17not not sure
00:52:21it looks like graves yeah i i think it's a cemetery a graveyard great
00:52:32how many have you got i've written down 30 okay his attitude to the sally royal family
00:52:40what kind of society is he after how does the west fit in it it's jihad against the u.s
00:52:47in arabia
00:52:48where's that heading he's targeting u.s troops what about u.s civilians they're the questions
00:52:54well you know what everyone really cares about what how much is their gas going to cost
00:53:12thank you
00:53:28you will not ask any questions about mr bin laden's family why is that he is very protective of his
00:53:34family
00:53:35can we do follow-ups clarifications there will be no need for any clarifications which one of you is the
00:53:43cameraman
00:53:43uh me let me see your equipment sure
00:53:53uh
00:54:04so
00:54:05so
00:54:22you can't bring this what you can't bring this but this is my gear we've come here to film an
00:54:30interview you can't use this this is my camera and my lights we don't know what it is
00:54:35i just told you you can't bring this we've come here to film an interview with mr bin laden this
00:54:42is what we're going to use to film that interview no
00:54:56you gotta look at it from their point of view peter what you claim is a beta cam could well
00:55:01be
00:55:02an ak-47 and this lighting rig could be a rocket launcher i've lugged this gear halfway around
00:55:09the world finally you're free of it jesus christ
00:55:38does it work look it's gonna have to do what about lights there is electric light available
00:55:44we have a generator if we're filming inside of a mountain cave i'm gonna need a bit of light
00:55:48sheik osama does not live in a cave okay what about a tripod do you have a tripod
00:56:01okay okay well it'll have to do exactly
00:56:15they will be in touch
00:56:37they will be in touch
00:57:00They're off.
00:57:10Mobile phones.
00:57:11Give them to me.
00:57:14You'll get them back when this is over.
00:57:16Give them to me.
00:57:25Leave.
00:57:34No way, I left mine inside.
00:57:37What?
00:57:38What's going on?
00:57:40What?
00:57:40Give me the bag.
00:57:43Give me the bag.
00:58:04I said no cameras.
00:58:06I need a proper camera.
00:58:30I needed a proper camera.
00:58:32I needed a proper camera.
00:58:56I needed a proper camera.
00:59:01I needed a proper camera.
00:59:02I needed a proper camera.
00:59:11We're covered with kidnap insurance?
00:59:13We're not being kidnapped.
00:59:15We're doing an interview.
00:59:16Yeah, with a bloody handicap.
00:59:29We're working.
00:59:47I need a proper camera.
01:00:08What's this on?
01:00:26Do I look better in these?
01:01:11Out.
01:01:12Out.
01:01:20Out.
01:01:21What is going on?
01:01:22Don't worry.
01:01:23They've made so much effort already.
01:01:26It's not them I'm worried about.
01:01:29If we've been tracked from some US satellite, we'll be right beneath the missile.
01:01:35This is Peter Arnett, live from Kaboom.
01:01:39Back in.
01:01:41Let's go.
01:01:43Let's go.
01:01:45Let's go.
01:01:55Let's go.
01:01:56Let's go.
01:01:58Let's go.
01:01:59Let's go.
01:02:00Let's go.
01:02:01Let's go.
01:02:06Let's go.
01:02:19Let's go.
01:02:22Let's go.
01:02:39Let's go.
01:02:52Let's go.
01:02:53Let's go.
01:03:05Oh, my God.
01:03:37Oh, my God.
01:04:15Oh, my God.
01:04:23I'm going to need more light than these kerosene lamps.
01:04:26When Sheikh Osama arrives.
01:04:47As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.
01:04:52As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa rahmatullahi wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.
01:05:36As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.
01:05:52As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.
01:06:16Let me get, I want to get some tea.
01:06:29I am very pleased to meet you, Mr. Arnett.
01:06:32You are famous.
01:06:34I'm on TV.
01:06:36That's what fame amounts to.
01:06:38I watched your reports from Baghdad.
01:06:40The Al Rashid Hotel.
01:06:42This is Peter Arnett.
01:06:45Life from Baghdad.
01:06:47There were others there, but we were the only ones with a phone line out.
01:06:52Pretty soon, we were the only ones left.
01:06:55You could have been killed by the invading American.
01:06:59I could have.
01:07:00But you weren't.
01:07:02Allah be praised.
01:07:07Allah be praised.
01:07:12You are not American.
01:07:14I'm a naturalized American.
01:07:16You are from New Zealand.
01:07:19Originally, yes.
01:07:20I have been reading about New Zealand.
01:07:24If you go there and keep on going, you start coming back.
01:07:31I have been reading about its dairy industry.
01:07:34Its dairy industry?
01:07:36I have milked cows when I was a boy.
01:07:38I was a city boy.
01:07:40I have a dairy farm in Saudi Arabia.
01:07:42I have my own orchards.
01:07:46Dates.
01:07:49Palms.
01:07:54Junipers.
01:07:56Orange trees.
01:07:58Lemon trees.
01:08:00Limes.
01:08:03But I am happy here.
01:08:06I like the mountains.
01:08:08I like this life.
01:08:11This life is superior to the city.
01:08:14It makes you strong.
01:08:17The New Zealand people are close to the country, yes?
01:08:21Like I said, I was raised in the city.
01:08:23City life is decadent.
01:08:26Nations that are close to the country ways, like New Zealand, they are strong.
01:08:32They have a greater will to fight for their land.
01:08:37It's a long time since I've been to New Zealand.
01:08:40Our homeland stays inside us.
01:08:42It follows us round.
01:08:45I am from Saudi Arabia.
01:08:49It follows me.
01:08:52It tries to kill me.
01:08:55We heard there had been an attempt on your life.
01:08:59It was not a very good attempt.
01:09:01It was a relief to hear you'd been spared.
01:09:03Otherwise, you would have had no program.
01:09:28You live in America?
01:09:31New York.
01:09:32New York.
01:09:33It's a great city.
01:09:34You live in America, yet its government pursued you.
01:09:37Its government also honored me.
01:09:40That's America.
01:09:42You have children?
01:09:44Yes.
01:09:45Son and daughter.
01:09:49Families are important.
01:09:50Yes, I know.
01:09:53How many wives do you have?
01:09:55We agreed there is to be no questions about Sheik Osama's family.
01:09:59I have four.
01:10:01I have none.
01:10:03I had one.
01:10:05But we parted.
01:10:08I regret that.
01:10:10I keep my wives close to me.
01:10:12I try to be fair and just.
01:10:15And divide up my time
01:10:17so each gets an equal share.
01:10:20Give each wife what is enough for her.
01:10:22That is how I live.
01:10:26Perhaps you did not give your wife what was enough for her.
01:10:36Go on.
01:10:37Go on.
01:10:51This is my son.
01:11:03Good to meet you.
01:11:09Assalamualaikum.
01:11:09Assalamualaikum.
01:11:10Waalaikumussalam.
01:11:12Hi.
01:11:12Hi.
01:11:163
01:11:178
01:11:189
01:11:2410
01:11:2610
01:11:269
01:11:3410
01:11:3411
01:11:3512
01:11:4413
01:11:46advantage of television to spread our message. I have children who wonder why I do the things
01:11:53I do. When they grow older, they understand. My son here understands. He understands why
01:12:06I was put on earth by God. I ask Omar why I was put on earth. He replies to fight
01:12:28the
01:12:28jihad and find justice for Muslims. How far would you pursue this? As far as necessary.
01:12:37You would die for it? Of course. I expect to die someday at the hands of the Americans.
01:12:47Would you let your son die for this cause? This is not a question. Would you, for example,
01:12:53let your son wear a suicide vest? This is not a question. You say that all American citizens
01:12:58are legitimate targets for your war. We agreed on the question. My kids could be targeted. These
01:13:03are not questions for Sheikh Osama. Would you allow your son to be the cause of such deaths
01:13:07and in the process have his life taken from him? There is no more interview. Finish. We
01:13:31ask Omar if he would give his life for Allah. He replied as I would expect him to. Of course.
01:13:44Right. Okay. Now I just need to mic you up. There is no more interview.
01:14:01Thank you. Thank you. Okay. And Peter? You would send him out as a suicide bomber? If it was
01:14:16God's purpose. How would you know if it was God's purpose? God would tell me. God spoke to Abraham
01:14:25and asked him to offer his son Isaac as a sacrifice. Okay. Not my favorite part of the Bible.
01:14:34So what kind of God would ask such a thing? A God who wanted to know the strength of his
01:14:41followers. So if you thought God wanted you to sacrifice your own child, you would?
01:14:50You Christians tell us your God sacrificed his son. My children are precious to me. Mr.
01:15:16Ahnett, we defeated the Russians. This was a great victory for Islam. This was the first victory in hundreds of
01:15:22years.
01:15:24We were once the world's greatest culture. It's most civilized people. Then we became a defeated people.
01:15:33A little people. But now who is defeated? The Russians defeated so badly their whole empire collapsed.
01:15:49America? All Muslims await another Salah al-Din who will come and liberate our lands from infidels
01:15:59like the Russians and Christians and Jews. And this is you? No. There was only one Salah al-Din.
01:16:10But there remains that hope and belief. My mission is to ignite that.
01:16:17Salah al-Din was buried in a great tomb in Damascus. When Mr. bin Laden dies, he will too be
01:16:22buried in a great tomb.
01:16:23No. My tomb will be the caliphate stretching about the globe, stretching from the desert to the South Seas.
01:16:33Say a few words for me, Pete. This is Peter Arnett. Yeah, and a few more?
01:16:41Talking with Osama bin Laden somewhere in Afghanistan.
01:16:45What did you expect to find, Mr. Arnett, in America when you went there from your homeland?
01:16:52I expected to find nothing but America. But when you go to America, you find yourself as well.
01:17:00How can you find yourself in America? It's a whole new world, which forces you to question everything you believe
01:17:08in.
01:17:09What you must look for, what you must find, is God. You find God in the desert, not America.
01:17:19You find freedom. Freedom from servitude.
01:17:24And do you want to impose this freedom?
01:17:27God stands with the annihilation of those powers that prevent mankind discovering it.
01:17:33Annihilation by suicide bomber?
01:17:37If preaching alone could do it.
01:17:42You see, I find America tremendous.
01:17:48The promise of it. The spirit of it.
01:17:52I chose to become an American.
01:17:55I was born somewhere else.
01:17:57I was born at the end of the world.
01:17:58But like millions and millions of others, I came to America.
01:18:02I melted into the melting pot.
01:18:06Look what America's given us.
01:18:08How can you knock it?
01:18:09It is an invaded nation.
01:18:11It turns up where it is not wanted.
01:18:13To murder, loot, and humiliate.
01:18:16Muslim problems are for Muslims to solve.
01:18:18The Americans use such problems to invade.
01:18:21They establish their army in Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of the Prophet.
01:18:25They say they are defending Saudi Arabia.
01:18:28Infidel women in uniform defending Saudi men.
01:18:32Can you not see how this is seen?
01:18:34Surely you should take this up with the Sauds.
01:18:36The House of Saud are puppets.
01:18:39The enemy of Islam is the puppet master.
01:18:43Are you so American?
01:18:46My position is this.
01:18:48Its citizens are innocent of crime.
01:18:50Do you know what has happened in Palestine?
01:18:52Yes.
01:18:53Our people have been robbed of their holy lands.
01:18:56By Israel, whose robbers are paid by America.
01:18:59Paid for by American taxes handed over by American citizens.
01:19:03How can I knock America?
01:19:09I can knock America very easily, my friend.
01:19:14My New Zealand friend.
01:19:17My American friend.
01:19:21Mr. Peter Anet.
01:19:24Live from Baghdad.
01:19:52I am ready, Mr. Anet.
01:19:54But you know the rules.
01:19:56You ask the questions on your sheet of paper.
01:19:59You ask only those questions.
01:20:03The questions I have approved of.
01:20:05You ask those questions or you go away empty-handed.
01:20:09You have come this far, Mr. Anet.
01:20:12Mr. Peter Anet.
01:20:15You ask only those questions.
01:20:30Mr. Bin Laden.
01:20:34If Arabia becomes an Islamic state,
01:20:37what happens to the price of oil?
01:20:43CNN has obtained an exclusive interview with Osama Bin Laden,
01:20:47the Saudi Arabian Muslim leader.
01:20:48Last year, the militant Muslim leader declared a jihad,
01:20:52a holy war on the United States,
01:20:54and is currently a fugitive in Afghanistan.
01:20:57Tell us something about your life
01:20:59before you joined the struggle against the Russians.
01:21:02Do you work for your father's construction firm as an engineer?
01:21:15Reporter Peter Arnett obtained the interview
01:21:17after going through unorthodox channels
01:21:19and being taken to a secret location in Afghanistan.
01:21:22We met in a hut in the Tora Bora mountains.
01:21:26We discussed oil prices,
01:21:29the holy war Bin Laden's declared on America,
01:21:32his experience of the war against the Russians in Afghanistan.
01:21:37He had very piercing eyes.
01:21:40He had a presence, a quiet ruthlessness.
01:21:44He was consciously speaking to the world through me.
01:21:52I suppose we get back to...
01:21:54Does he have the ability to wage war?
01:21:57Can he command a big enough army?
01:22:00Local operations, yes, but further afield?
01:22:04But can he touch a Muslim nerve?
01:22:07Who knows?
01:22:10We were used, Pete.
01:22:12Fair game.
01:22:14But what did we miss?
01:22:18Mr. Bin Laden, one final thing.
01:22:21What are your future plans?
01:22:36You will see and hear about them in the media.
01:22:41God willing.
01:23:01God willing.
01:23:08Dad.
01:23:10Hey.
01:23:10Great to see you, sweetie.
01:23:12Thanks for coming out.
01:23:14See you, Pete.
01:23:15Hi, Elsa.
01:23:16Yeah, talk soon.
01:23:18Oh, thanks.
01:23:22How was Kuwait?
01:23:24Actually...
01:23:25Yes?
01:23:27I've been in Afghanistan.
01:23:28You were going to Kuwait.
01:23:30We took a side trip.
01:23:32Of course you did.
01:23:34We found Bin Laden.
01:23:36What?
01:23:37You found him?
01:23:39Madam, I don't think I found anything he didn't want me to know.
01:23:59It's going to be a warm one today.
01:24:01A version of late summertime heat.
01:24:04Probably the hottest day we're going to see until sometime next spring.
01:24:0790 degrees here in Central Park.
01:24:27We have some breaking news right now, and we're going to come back with that in a moment,
01:24:31but we're joined by the rest of the network.
01:24:34These are pictures from the foot of New York City at the World Trade Center.
01:24:39There's a major fire there.
01:24:42We don't yet know the details, but there's been some kind of explosion in the upper levels of a building.
01:24:48There are unconfirmed reports that a large plane has hit the World Trade Center,
01:24:53and you can see on screen that there is smoke coming out of both sides of the North Tower.
01:25:05Elsa?
01:25:07Elsa?
01:25:08Are you all right?
01:25:10Elsa?
01:25:16Elsa?
01:25:19Elsa?
01:25:20Elsa?
01:25:21Elsa?
01:25:23Elsa?
01:25:23Elsa?
01:25:23Elsa?
01:25:24Elsa?
01:25:24Elsa?
01:25:24Elsa?
01:25:37I spoke to Mom.
01:25:39Who is she?
01:25:41In shock.
01:25:43Like the rest of us.
01:25:45Andrew, too.
01:25:49Could you have had any idea this was coming?
01:25:52Not a chance.
01:25:55It's unimaginable.
01:25:58Hindsight makes a fool of you.
01:26:04I asked him what his future plans were.
01:26:09You will see and read about them in the media.
01:26:12God willing.
01:26:15The simplicity of it.
01:26:20And now he's waiting for us to respond.
01:26:24He was using us to send a message.
01:26:28And we didn't listen.
01:26:29I don't know.
01:26:31I don't know.
01:26:31Mind.
01:26:45I don't know.
01:26:53I don't know.
01:26:56I don't know.
01:27:20Thank you, Mr. Bin-Lot.
01:27:24Okay, we're done here.
01:27:26We can relax, relax.
01:27:30Can we get a couple of still pictures now?
01:27:34Some photographs?
01:27:36Come on, guys.
01:27:43Okay.
01:27:48Are we ready?
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