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00:04:13how's your mom she's good we should all get together before you head off
00:04:21somewhere again we should
00:04:39got something someone's declared war on the united states
00:04:47this is his declaration of war yes see he's got a gun
00:04:52yes i can see that but he appears to be declaring war from a cave
00:04:57rather than from an air force base with a vast array of missile-laden bombers
00:05:04yes but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take him seriously
00:05:21is this going to be gold for daniel loader of new zealand
00:05:25daniel loader of new zealand leads the pack in the center of the pool
00:05:28down to the wire yes yes go go go go go
00:05:33and he will be our first new zealand swimmer to win an individual gold medal at an olympic games
00:05:40loader makes history for his country
00:05:43he's declared war on the u.s who is he
00:05:48off the record of course he's from one of the richest families in saudi arabia
00:05:56osama bin laden what's he doing in a cave
00:06:01back in 86 he had gone to afghanistan to fight the russians
00:06:04he led a small force defending a mountain village against the soviet attack
00:06:08he held out for a month finally the red army gave up
00:06:12it was seen as a sign that the russians could be beaten
00:06:15made his reputation
00:06:17a reputation known here
00:06:20yes we befriended him
00:06:21armed him
00:06:23yes
00:06:24and subsequently he seems to have turned on us
00:06:27can't trust anyone
00:06:29he got active in saudi arabia
00:06:31active how so
00:06:32he moved back there decried the american presence
00:06:35he got kicked out moved on to sudan got kicked out of there
00:06:38now he's made this declaration of war
00:06:43but does it mean anything i mean really
00:06:46someone sits in a cave in afghanistan and videos themselves declaring war on the united states
00:06:52i mean
00:06:52i went to the office of the attorney general and i asked was it a crime for someone sitting in
00:06:57a cave in afghanistan
00:06:58to declare war on the united states is that a crime
00:07:02well
00:07:03they didn't know
00:07:05that's what i love about the states
00:07:06you can declare war on it and you may well be within your rights
00:07:10finally they got back to me and said that there was a conspiracy statute from the civil war
00:07:15seriously
00:07:15it forbade instigating violence or attempting to overthrow the united states government
00:07:21could be applied
00:07:23possibly
00:07:25so you are taking him seriously
00:07:28we take every threat seriously
00:07:29sure but
00:07:32how much of a threat would you say he is
00:07:34do you mean is he a five minute time slot threat
00:07:36or a full commercial hour
00:07:40so
00:07:40is that it
00:07:42is that all you got on him
00:07:50recently a sudanese turned up in germany
00:07:52seeking relocation to america
00:07:54in exchange for some information
00:07:56i was intrigued so i went over
00:07:58after a while he started talking about this organization called al-qaeda
00:08:03with training camps and sleeper cells
00:08:05said that they were responsible for the hotel bombing in yemen
00:08:08and that they trained the insurgents that shot down our black hawks in somalia
00:08:12well trained well-trained well-resourced battle-hardened dedicated to destroying america 100 men but connected to a larger radical
00:08:23movement and all under the control of
00:08:30osama bin osama bin laden
00:08:31we take him very seriously we've had him expelled from saudi arabia and sudan afghanistan's his final bolt hole
00:08:38whereabouts in afghanistan
00:08:41actually peter
00:08:41actually peter
00:08:43that's what we'd like to know
00:08:46the cia don't know where he is either
00:08:48when the prophet was expelled from mecca
00:08:51where did he go
00:08:54medina
00:08:54but whereabouts in medina
00:08:58a cave
00:08:59a cave
00:09:01and in this cave
00:09:03the angel gabriel appeared to him
00:09:04and gabriel announced
00:09:08you are the messenger of god
00:09:32but what's his plan
00:09:36that's what we want to ask him
00:09:40so you're gonna send someone to go find this bin laden and talk to him
00:09:45someone
00:09:46a young reporter perhaps
00:09:48youngish
00:09:51dad
00:09:51how old are you now
00:09:53what sort of question is that to ask a man of my age
00:09:55it's a question you ask of someone when you think they should start slowing down a bit
00:10:00you've already won all the glittering prizes
00:10:03take it easy
00:10:04let the world go about its business while you go fishing
00:10:07how can i go fishing
00:10:09when things keep happening
00:10:11and you've got to follow them
00:10:13yes
00:10:14this is my life
00:10:17elsa
00:10:19we're almost at the end of the century
00:10:22somewhere out there
00:10:24there's something that's going to define the next
00:10:27i'm the one that's going to find it
00:10:32i rank london
00:10:34if you want to know what's going on with the jihadists
00:10:36you start in london
00:10:37you start in londonistan
00:10:38guess what i found out
00:10:41we're not alone
00:10:43cbs and the bbc are on the trail
00:10:45we've been putting out feelers
00:10:47well that's great
00:10:49how is that great
00:10:50well because clearly this is the story
00:10:54well what are we waiting for
00:10:56budget approval
00:10:57yeah
00:10:59hey sweetie
00:11:01so have you found your man yet
00:11:03working on it
00:11:05cbs and the bbc are after him too
00:11:09he won't go with the bbc
00:11:11why would he go with the bbc
00:11:14he's declared his holy war on the united states
00:11:16not britain
00:11:18it's cbs or us
00:11:19and you know where he is
00:11:21no
00:11:22but someone does
00:11:24couldn't find out much about him
00:11:25other than his war with the russians in afghanistan
00:11:29what exactly does he want
00:11:31at the end of the day
00:11:33he wants an islamic state
00:11:34a caliphate
00:11:36that appears to be it yes
00:11:38is he serious
00:11:39but how and where does he plan to do that
00:11:42in this day and age
00:11:44someone's got to ask him
00:11:46are you sure this is a good idea
00:11:48these people are dangerous
00:11:51i'm talking to your contacts in dark places
00:11:54but it doesn't have to be you
00:11:57yes
00:11:58it does
00:12:03danion loda is from new zealand
00:12:05priscilla the queen of the desert
00:12:07is from australia
00:12:08they're two separate places
00:12:10i'm from new zealand
00:12:12you do not get there
00:12:13by driving across the sydney harbour bridge
00:12:20peter
00:12:22guess where i am
00:12:28we've got a budget
00:12:51we've got a budget
00:12:53any news
00:12:54well well well peter bergen
00:12:57hi chad
00:12:59barnet and toe
00:13:00chad
00:13:01what are you two doing in london
00:13:03visiting the tower
00:13:05you've got to be careful
00:13:07they may not let you out
00:13:11cbs news
00:13:12cbs news
00:13:12yeah come on
00:13:22thank you
00:13:29so
00:13:31why now do you reckon
00:13:33bin laden's decided the time is ripe
00:13:35to follow up his various statements
00:13:37to the middle east
00:13:39he's calling on the middle east
00:13:41to rise up
00:13:44and he wants to explain why
00:13:46to the western media
00:13:49there's an outfit
00:13:50here in london
00:13:51called the advice and reformation committee
00:13:53a media information office
00:13:55set up to push bin laden
00:13:57and do a bit of recruitment
00:14:00recruitment for what
00:14:01bin laden's private army
00:14:03looks like
00:14:05thank you
00:14:40hey ya
00:14:41you're a long way from the tower of london
00:14:44good luck with whatever you're pursuing
00:14:45hey buddy
00:14:47although you might be a little late
00:14:49asshole
00:14:50come on
00:14:57mr burger
00:14:58khalid
00:14:59you just missed one of your colleagues
00:15:01yes he didn't miss us
00:15:03such competition in the western media
00:15:05which i'm sure you'll agree is no bad thing for you
00:15:10khalid this is peter annette
00:15:12of whom you will have heard
00:15:13of course
00:15:14this is peter annette live from baghdad
00:15:17well other western journalists were a part of desert shield
00:15:20peter annette remained in baghdad
00:15:22and reported from there while it was being bombed
00:15:25well
00:15:25that's where the story was
00:15:29an honor
00:15:30mr annette
00:15:32peter this is khalid abdurroman al-fawas
00:15:35salam aleikum
00:15:36al-khammasalam
00:15:42oh
00:15:45this is the office of the advice and reformation committee
00:15:50an active committee
00:15:53and this is my colleague
00:15:55adele abdel pari
00:15:59bonjour
00:16:00bonjour
00:16:02bonjour
00:16:03this is mr annette
00:16:04please
00:16:23we have received three applications to interview shikosama
00:16:29um
00:16:57all three applications
00:17:001966 Pulitzer Prize winner for his coverage of the Vietnam War.
00:17:04The only Western reporter to cover the Gulf War from the inside.
00:17:09What do we offer?
00:17:11We offer Peter Arnett.
00:17:30This is the BBC World Service.
00:17:33Here is the news.
00:17:36Taliban forces have consolidated their grip on Kabul after storming the presidential palace 24 hours ago.
00:17:43Ousted president, Mohamedin Rabbani, his prime minister, and his military chief are being hunted by the radical Islamic group, rather
00:17:52than national criminals.
00:17:55The former president, Mohamed Najibullah, and his brother have already been executed by the militants.
00:18:04Opposition leader, Mullah Mohamed Omar, and his Taliban fighters have been repulsed from Kabul twice before, but this time appeared
00:18:13to have secured the city.
00:18:15Hundreds of fighters and civilians have been killed in the conflict, and many more have fled to areas still held
00:18:22by government forces.
00:18:35The first time you answer it, they'll go for you.
00:18:42They'll go with the BBC.
00:18:44They want American television.
00:18:45The BBC has class.
00:18:47But it hasn't got guts.
00:18:48You've got guts.
00:18:49They'll go for you.
00:18:51They'll go for you.
00:18:54PHONE RINGS
00:18:57PHONE RINGS
00:18:58PHONE RINGS
00:19:00PHONE RINGS
00:19:00PHONE RINGS
00:19:00Please go again.
00:19:04We understand.
00:19:12Well...
00:19:13Excuse me?
00:19:15Could you bring us a bottle of champagne in an ice bucket and two of your best crystal glasses, please?
00:19:21Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
00:19:30Bels, we do not want them following you.
00:19:33You are to say, if anyone inquires that you are going to Kuwait, that is what you say.
00:19:40If you think you are being followed, you are to abandon your trip and contact me.
00:19:45If you continue your trip knowing that you are being followed,
00:19:48your lives will be at risk.
00:19:51You must take me seriously on this.
00:19:56Once more into the breach.
00:19:57Yes. Peter.
00:19:59Hi.
00:20:00Peter, you know Peter Annette?
00:20:02Peter.
00:20:03Three Peters.
00:20:05Must be lucky.
00:20:09So, where are we going?
00:20:11Officially, it's Kuwait.
00:20:13We are going to Afghanistan.
00:20:15Aha. You know it well.
00:20:16Then you'll know it's not going to be simple.
00:20:19Heads up.
00:20:22Hey.
00:20:23You're off on assignment.
00:20:25Kuwait.
00:20:27He's not in Kuwait.
00:20:29Even I know that.
00:20:34Khalid.
00:20:35Gentlemen.
00:20:37You will find that Sheikh Osama is a very humble patriot.
00:20:41He is a hero of the war in Afghanistan.
00:20:44He escaped death from the Russians.
00:20:46Allah, praise be his name, was watching over him.
00:20:50He seems to have it in for a lot of people.
00:20:53He is opposed to the presence of American troops in Saudi Arabia.
00:20:56This is the birthplace of the Prophet.
00:20:59The House of Saud, who allows foreign troops there for their own purposes.
00:21:03He considers them not true Muslims.
00:21:06The House of Saud, they are apostates.
00:21:08Last I heard, he was calling for the death of all US citizens.
00:21:12That's 320 million people.
00:21:14These are views I neither condemn nor condone.
00:21:16You won't take the odd million.
00:21:17I merely work for the...
00:21:18You go ahead.
00:21:19I'll catch up.
00:21:29Thanks.
00:21:30Thanks very much.
00:21:46Dad?
00:21:48It's Dad.
00:21:49Hey, sweetie.
00:21:50I'm still in London.
00:21:53Back in New York soon.
00:21:55Shouldn't be long.
00:21:57Just have to make a side trip.
00:22:00Where to?
00:22:01I'm going to Kuwait.
00:22:03Kuwait?
00:22:03Yes.
00:22:06When will you be back?
00:22:07Oh, very soon.
00:22:09Very, very soon.
00:22:12I'll ring when I've made a booking back to New York.
00:22:15Call me from Kuwait.
00:22:17I'll try.
00:22:20What are you doing?
00:22:22I'm having lunch.
00:22:26You still there?
00:22:28Sure.
00:22:28I was just thinking of Central Park.
00:22:32Lunch with you.
00:22:36Where are you having lunch?
00:22:38Windows on the world.
00:22:40In the World Trade Center.
00:22:42Clearly you're not by yourself.
00:22:45No.
00:22:47Oh, I've just remembered.
00:22:48It's your mom's birthday tomorrow.
00:22:52Actually, it's today.
00:22:54Are you sure?
00:22:56Hold on.
00:22:56I'll ask.
00:22:57It is your birthday today, isn't it?
00:22:59Yes, it is.
00:23:00She says it is.
00:23:02You want to speak to her?
00:23:03Uh, no.
00:23:04No, it's, it's, uh...
00:23:09Pass on my birthday greetings.
00:23:10Dad wants birthday greetings passed on to you.
00:23:14She said that's very kind of you.
00:23:17She wants to know how you are.
00:23:20I'm, I'm fine.
00:23:21I'm fine.
00:23:22Mom says, slow down.
00:23:26I will.
00:23:27She said that people can't keep up with you.
00:23:29I know.
00:23:30I know.
00:23:31She says they drop off the pace.
00:23:34People are looking after me.
00:23:35Then let them do it.
00:23:37Dad, slow down.
00:23:42Well...
00:23:45Lots of love.
00:23:47Lots of love to you too, Dad.
00:23:50And your mom.
00:23:57See you when I see ya.
00:23:59Keep safe in Kuwait.
00:24:01I will.
00:24:11You will go to Islamabad.
00:24:13And you will wait there until you hear from us.
00:24:27I'll interview any subject I feel is newsworthy, provided I get to ask the questions that have to be asked.
00:24:33What about Hitler?
00:24:35Adolf Hitler?
00:24:35Of course.
00:24:36If someone wanted it.
00:24:38If no one wanted to pay for it, I wouldn't.
00:24:40Ah, so they'd just have to pay you, would they?
00:24:42Well, if they wanted it, of course.
00:24:44And the first question I'd ask Hitler is,
00:24:48why are you murdering all the Jews of Europe?
00:24:51Now, you might say,
00:24:52he wouldn't allow such a question.
00:24:53Mm-hmm.
00:24:56Pass me that bottle.
00:25:10So, you might say,
00:25:12I'll see you later.
00:25:13And I'll see you later.
00:25:18Bye.
00:25:18Bye.
00:25:18Bye.
00:25:19Bye.
00:25:21Bye.
00:25:24Bye.
00:25:25Bye.
00:25:25Bye.
00:25:39Let's go, let's go.
00:30:55It's off.
00:30:56What? Why?
00:30:58Wasn't told.
00:30:59It's not off.
00:31:01It's off if we say it's off.
00:31:02But right now it's not off.
00:31:50It's off.
00:31:54It's off.
00:31:56It's off.
00:31:59It's off.
00:32:07Who is it?
00:32:08It's off.
00:32:19It's off.
00:32:20It's on the wall around him.
00:32:21It's on the wall.
00:32:22It's off.
00:32:23It's off.
00:32:23It's off.
00:32:28It's off.
00:32:37It's off.
00:32:50I've got to be on the wall around him.
00:32:51The same reason we're here.
00:32:53The same reason we're here.
00:32:58Yes?
00:33:02Come on.
00:33:04Wait.
00:33:36Come on.
00:33:41What's up, Buddy?
00:33:42Yes, we did it.
00:33:44What's going on?
00:33:46No.
00:33:47The CIA is here.
00:33:48No.
00:33:50It's not possible.
00:33:51They offer a million dollars in an hour
00:33:54for all information on the localization of Shah Hassan.
00:33:58And two million dollars for whoever can
00:34:02take it and take it to Pakistan.
00:34:04Can you tell someone why you're here?
00:34:07No.
00:34:08We're making a story about refugees.
00:34:16Meanwhile, behind Taliban lines, the average Afghani villager carries on
00:34:21the state and allies in a manner middle-changed over the centuries.
00:34:27Peter?
00:34:31Surprise.
00:34:36So, why are you here, Peter?
00:34:38It's a story we're working on.
00:34:41Uh-huh.
00:34:42Refugees pouring across from Afghanistan.
00:34:45You're not thinking of going over the border?
00:34:47No one can get over the border.
00:34:49You've been trying?
00:34:50No way.
00:34:51It's not in the picture.
00:34:54Well, you know why I'm here then.
00:34:56I can take a pretty good guess.
00:35:08Peter, where are you?
00:35:10I'm outside, out the back on the terrace.
00:35:16Peter, if you're onto his whereabouts, if you have a lead, you have to share it.
00:35:21It's refugees, Pat.
00:35:22Plain and simple.
00:35:23We all have kids back home.
00:35:26Kids, wives, moms, dads.
00:35:29I've got this job defending them.
00:35:31And I need all the help I can get.
00:35:34Because the bombings, they're not gonna stop here.
00:35:40Peter.
00:35:42Pat O'Rourke, Peter Bergen.
00:35:44Yes, I think we crossed paths earlier.
00:35:46Yes.
00:35:48I was telling Pat about the refugee program we're putting together.
00:35:51Yes, why we're here.
00:35:54Well, I'll leave you to it.
00:35:57Peter.
00:35:58Pat.
00:35:59Mr. Bergen.
00:36:03Don't forget what I said.
00:36:13What's he been saying?
00:36:15He wants us to share any info we've got.
00:36:18We don't have any info.
00:36:19That's right.
00:36:20Because what we're doing is a program on refugees.
00:36:23Exactly.
00:36:26It's on again.
00:36:32I look happy.
00:36:35Yeah.
00:36:44The U.S. consulate was the target of a suicide bomb attack yesterday.
00:36:49Three guards outside the building died in the blast and nine American contractors were wounded.
00:36:55The explosives were hidden inside a vehicle delivering supplies to the consulate, detonated during the busy morning rush hour.
00:37:03The attack occurred in one of the most secure areas of the city, surrounded by government offices, guarded by three
00:37:10meter blast walls and security forces.
00:37:13Other western embassies, including the British and German consulates, are located there.
00:37:18Hi, you've reached Elsa.
00:37:19Sorry, I can't take your call right now.
00:37:21Leave me a message and I'll call you right back.
00:37:24Hi, sweetie.
00:37:27It's your dad.
00:37:29Just ring it in to say I'm safe and well in Kuwait.
00:37:42Hope the same with you.
00:37:46We'll be home soon.
00:37:52We'll be home soon.
00:37:53Lots of love, sweetie.
00:38:16Hey Peter, everything okay?
00:38:20Ah, just checking to see if there were any calls from my daughter.
00:38:23She worries about me.
00:38:25Okay.
00:38:37Thanks.
00:38:38Okay.
00:39:23How do you go?
00:39:24Like a soldier.
00:39:25Ah yes, Kipling.
00:39:26Same place, another time.
00:39:28Good advice.
00:39:31Remember it.
00:39:56Get a message from your daughter.
00:39:58No signal up here.
00:40:00But I've told her all's well.
00:40:04We're in Kuwait.
00:40:10Not easy, is it?
00:40:12Sometimes.
00:40:13What's that?
00:40:17Right.
00:40:27Did you know Abel's buried around here?
00:40:31Abel?
00:40:32Hmm.
00:40:32Abel who?
00:40:33Abel Tasman?
00:40:34Who the fuck's Abel Tasman?
00:40:38Abel.
00:40:39The son of Adam and Eve?
00:40:40Abel from the Bible.
00:40:42Abel.
00:40:42Cain slew Abel and dragged his body up here somewhere.
00:40:46From Mesopotamia.
00:40:48Well, I don't know, but he dragged his body up here and he buried him.
00:40:51Where does it say that?
00:40:52What do you mean where does it say that?
00:40:53Where in the Bible does it say Cain buried Abel in the Khyber Pass?
00:40:59Well, I don't know.
00:41:00Where does it say it anywhere then?
00:41:02Is there a signpost up ahead saying tomb of Adam and Eve's boy Abel two kilometers?
00:41:07Hey, look.
00:41:08I read it on some site.
00:41:09All right?
00:41:12That could be it.
00:41:20We'll see.
00:41:35Drive on.
00:41:36Drive on.
00:41:37That wasn't going to stop.
00:42:05How far's the border?
00:42:07Uh, I'd say, I'd say about 20 miles up ahead.
00:42:37I'll see you next time.
00:43:12you speak english yes you know you cannot enter afghanistan without the injury visa
00:43:17yes and foreigners are not issued injury visas yes
00:43:27you will be back here within half an hour probably possibly alive then again
00:43:35you're a fun guy what are we doing we're stealing our nerves
00:43:41well when you reach the rubicon you don't go fishing
00:43:48i read it somewhere
00:43:52wait everyone ready we insured against what death
00:44:19there's someone here to meet us
00:44:23peter's right rubicon reached no time for fishing
00:44:28it would have been a comfort to have had entry visas
00:44:31foreigners can't get entry visas yes we know that pete
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00:45:14I don't know.
00:45:43What's going on?
00:46:08Check it out videotape in the tree I have to be careful with that camera Pete
00:46:13Christ
00:46:20Americans New Zealand brought up in England English I'll take the Queen
00:46:40Okay go drive on
00:46:45Come here
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00:47:26You know what Harold McMillan said British Prime Minister 1950s 1960s he was asked what he'd learned from a lifetime
00:47:35in politics a lifetime he had a long thing and said never invade Afghanistan
00:48:01Better pull over get out wait stay seated
00:48:16Salaam Alaikum
00:48:18Salaam
00:48:19American
00:48:20English
00:48:21Raised in England
00:48:22New Zealander
00:48:26English
00:48:27Ireland Road
00:48:29Passports
00:48:38American
00:48:40Raised in England
00:48:41English
00:48:46Born in New Zealand
00:48:48Kiwi
00:48:50We're here to talk to Osama Bin Laden
00:48:55Osama Bin Laden
00:48:56Osama Bin Laden
00:48:57Yes
00:49:17Hello
00:49:18Hello
00:49:20Hello
00:49:21Go
00:49:23Go
00:49:23Okay
00:49:43Hello
00:50:00My name is
00:50:22I've been here before.
00:50:23Me too.
00:50:24Different times.
00:50:26Yeah, different bloody times indeed.
00:50:40Yeah, different times.
00:51:15You're his media advisor.
00:51:17Correct.
00:51:18He has a media advisor?
00:51:19Yes.
00:51:20We have ruined an ancient culture.
00:51:23Well, Mr. Media Advisor, I thought I was to do an interview.
00:51:27That is correct.
00:51:28Well, this is not an interview.
00:51:29This is our interview.
00:51:31I give you a set of questions.
00:51:33You go away, come back, and tell me which ones I can ask and which I can't, and then Mr.
00:51:39Bin Laden answers them?
00:51:41Yes.
00:51:42No, that's not an interview.
00:51:43I don't want to repeat myself.
00:51:44If we give you prepared questions, all we're going to get are prepared answers.
00:51:49Yes.
00:51:50Correct.
00:52:00We're simply here to ask the questions, record the answers, take them back to the network.
00:52:04I want to find out what makes him tick.
00:52:06CNN don't want him ticking.
00:52:07They want him answering questions.
00:52:12You've got to see this.
00:52:15What is it?
00:52:17I'm not, not sure.
00:52:22It looks like graves.
00:52:27Yeah, I, I think it's a cemetery, a graveyard.
00:52:31Great.
00:52:33How many have you got?
00:52:34I've written down 30.
00:52:36Okay.
00:52:37His attitude to the Saudi royal family.
00:52:40What kind of society is he after?
00:52:43How does the West fit in it?
00:52:45It's jihad against the U.S. in Arabia.
00:52:48Where's that heading?
00:52:49He's targeting U.S. troops.
00:52:51What about U.S. civilians?
00:52:53They're the questions.
00:52:54Well, you know what everyone really cares about.
00:52:57What?
00:53:00How much is their gas going to cost?
00:53:28You will not ask any questions about Mr. Bin Laden's family.
00:53:31Why is that?
00:53:33He is very protective of his family.
00:53:35Can we do follow-ups?
00:53:37Clarifications?
00:53:38There will be no need for any clarifications.
00:53:41Which one of you is the cameraman?
00:53:45Uh, me.
00:53:46Let me see your equipment.
00:53:49Sure.
00:54:22You can't bring this.
00:54:25What?
00:54:25You can't bring this.
00:54:27But this is my gear.
00:54:28We've come here to film an interview.
00:54:30You can't use this.
00:54:32This is my camera and my lights.
00:54:34We don't know what it is.
00:54:36I just told you.
00:54:37You can't bring this.
00:54:40We've come here to film an interview with Mr. Bin Laden.
00:54:42This is what we're going to use to film that interview.
00:54:45No.
00:54:46No.
00:54:56You've got to look at it from their point of view, Peter.
00:54:59What you claim is a beta cam could well be an AK-47.
00:55:05And this lighting rig could be a rocket launcher.
00:55:08I've lugged this gear halfway around the world.
00:55:10Finally, you're free of it.
00:55:14Jesus Christ.
00:55:38Does it work?
00:55:40Look, it's going to have to do.
00:55:41What about lights?
00:55:42There is electric light available.
00:55:44We have a generator.
00:55:45If we're filming inside of a mountain cave, I'm going to need a bit of light.
00:55:48Sheik Osama does not live in a cave.
00:55:50Okay.
00:55:50What about a tripod?
00:55:51Do you have a tripod?
00:55:52I'm going to have a tripod.
00:56:01Okay.
00:56:05Well...
00:56:06It'll have to do.
00:56:07Exactly.
00:56:14They will be in touch.
00:57:01They're off.
00:57:09They're off.
00:57:10Mobile phones.
00:57:11Give them to me.
00:57:14You'll get them back when this is over.
00:57:16Give them to me.
00:57:40Give me the bag.
00:57:44Give me the bag.
00:58:04I said no cameras.
00:58:06I need a proper camera.
00:58:30I needed a proper camera.
00:58:55I need a proper camera.
00:59:10Are we covered with kidnap insurance?
00:59:13We're not being kidnapped.
00:59:15We're doing an interview.
00:59:17Yeah, with a bloody handicap.
00:59:46Look at that.
00:59:48You're not being kidnapped.
00:59:49You're not leaving.
01:00:08For the season.
01:00:26Do I look better in these?
01:01:11Out.
01:01:20What is going on?
01:01:22Don't worry.
01:01:23They've made so much effort already.
01:01:26It's not them I'm worried about.
01:01:29We've been tracked from some US satellite.
01:01:33We'll be right beneath the missile.
01:01:36This is Peter Arnett.
01:01:37Live from Kaboom.
01:01:40Back in.
01:01:41Yalla.
01:01:49Okay.
01:01:55Hello.
01:01:59Yes.
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01:10:16I break my time so each gets an equal share.
01:10:20Give each wife what is enough for her.
01:10:22That is how I live.
01:10:26Perhaps you did not give your wife what was enough for her.
01:10:51This is my son.
01:10:59This is my son, Peter Anet.
01:11:04Good to meet you.
01:11:06They are my friends.
01:11:09Assalamu alaikum.
01:11:10Alaikum saham.
01:11:12Hi.
01:11:13Hi.
01:11:43I told my son, we must take advantage of television to spread our message.
01:11:49I have children who wonder why I do the things I do.
01:11:55When they grow older, they understand.
01:12:00My son here understands.
01:12:04He understands why I was put on earth by God.
01:12:21I ask Amar why I was put on earth.
01:12:25He replies to fight the jihad and find justice for Muslims.
01:12:32How far would you pursue this?
01:12:34As far as necessary.
01:12:37You would die for it?
01:12:38Of course.
01:12:41I expect to die someday at the hands of the Americans.
01:12:47Would you let your son die for this cause?
01:12:51This is not a question.
01:12:52Would you, for example, let your son wear a suicide vest?
01:12:54This is not a question.
01:12:56You say that all American citizens are legitimate targets for your war.
01:13:00We agreed on the question.
01:13:01My kids could be targeted.
01:13:03These are not questions for Sheikh Osama.
01:13:04Would you allow your son to be the cause of such deaths?
01:13:07And in the process have his life taken from him?
01:13:10There is no more interview.
01:13:11There is no more interview.
01:13:11We haven't started.
01:13:30I asked Amar if he would give his life for Allah.
01:13:37He replied as I would expect him to.
01:13:42Of course.
01:13:44Of course.
01:13:45Okay.
01:13:47Now, I just need to mic you up.
01:13:49There is no more interview.
01:13:51There is no more interview.
01:14:08There is no more interview after what you lielegt back from Isaac.
01:14:09Okay.
01:14:10Now, Peter after I was realm.
01:14:10And Peter?
01:14:12You would send him out as a suicide bomber?
01:14:15If it was God's purpose?
01:14:17How would you know if it was God's purpose?
01:14:20God would tell me.
01:14:22God spoke to Abraham and asked him to offer his son Isaac as a sacrifice.
01:14:30Okay, not my favorite part of the Bible.
01:14:34What kind of God would ask such a thing?
01:14:37A God who wanted to know the strength of his followers.
01:14:42So if you thought God wanted you to sacrifice your own child, you would?
01:14:50You Christians tell us your God sacrificed his son.
01:14:55My children are precious to me.
01:14:56Mr. Anit, my children are precious to me.
01:15:00All Muslim children are precious.
01:15:03And they are scorned.
01:15:05They are mocked.
01:15:07Your answer is to send them to die?
01:15:10Death has no fear for us.
01:15:12Death is the gateway to paradise.
01:15:15Mr. Anit, we defeated the Russians.
01:15:18This was a great victory for Islam.
01:15:20This was the first victory in hundreds of years.
01:15:24We were once the world's greatest culture.
01:15:27Its most civilized people.
01:15:30Then we became a defeated people.
01:15:34A little people.
01:15:37But now who is defeated?
01:15:39The Russians defeated so badly their whole empire collapsed.
01:15:44We have regained our dignity.
01:15:48We are ready for the next enemy.
01:15:53America?
01:15:54All Muslims await another Salah al-Din who will come and liberate our lands from infidels like the Russians and
01:16:01Christians and Jews.
01:16:03And this is you?
01:16:05No.
01:16:07There was only one Salah al-Din.
01:16:10But there remains that hope and belief.
01:16:14My mission is to ignite that.
01:16:17Saladin was buried in a great tomb in Damascus.
01:16:19When Mr. Bin Laden dies, he will too be buried in a great tomb.
01:16:23No.
01:16:25My tomb will be the Caliphate stretching about the globe.
01:16:30Stretching from the desert to the South Seas.
01:16:34Uh, say a few words for me, Pete.
01:16:35Uh, this is Peter Arnett.
01:16:39Yeah, and a few more?
01:16:41Talking with Osama Bin Laden somewhere in Afghanistan.
01:16:46What did you expect to find, Mr. Arnett, in America when you went there from your homeland?
01:16:52I expected to find nothing but America.
01:16:56But when you go to America, you find yourself as well.
01:17:00How can you find yourself in America?
01:17:02It's a whole new world, which forces you to question everything you believe in.
01:17:09What you must look for, what you must find, is God.
01:17:14You find God in the desert, not America.
01:17:19You find freedom.
01:17:22Freedom from servitude.
01:17:24And do you want to impose this freedom?
01:17:26God stands with the annihilation of those powers that prevent mankind discovering it.
01:17:33Annihilation by suicide bomber?
01:17:37If preaching alone could do it.
01:17:42You see, I find America tremendous.
01:17:48The promise of it.
01:17:50The spirit of it.
01:17:52I chose to become an American.
01:17:55I was born somewhere else.
01:17:57I was born at the end of the world.
01:17:58But like millions and millions of others, I came to America.
01:18:02I melted into the melting pot.
01:18:06Look what America's given us.
01:18:08How can you knock it?
01:18:09It is an invaded nation.
01:18:11It turns up where it is not wanted.
01:18:13To murder, loot, and humiliate.
01:18:16Muslim problems are for Muslims to solve.
01:18:18The Americans use such problems to invade.
01:18:21They establish their army in Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of the Prophet.
01:18:25They say they are defending Saudi Arabia.
01:18:28Infidel women in uniform defending Saudi men.
01:18:32Can you not see how this is seen?
01:18:34Surely you should take this up with the Sauds.
01:18:36The House of Saud are puppets.
01:18:39The enemy of Islam is the puppet master.
01:18:43Are you so American?
01:18:46My position is this.
01:18:48Its citizens are innocent of crime.
01:18:50Do you know what has happened in Palestine?
01:18:52Yes.
01:18:53Our people have been robbed of their holy lands.
01:18:56By Israel, whose robbers are paid by America.
01:18:59Paid for by American taxes handed over by American citizens.
01:19:03How can I knock America?
01:19:09I can knock America very easily, my friend.
01:19:14My New Zealand friend.
01:19:17My American friend.
01:19:21Mr. Peter Anet.
01:19:24Live from Baghdad.
01:19:52I am ready, Mr. Anet.
01:19:54But you know the rules.
01:19:56You ask the questions on your sheet of paper.
01:19:59You ask only those questions.
01:20:03The questions I have approved of.
01:20:05You ask those questions or you go away empty handed.
01:20:09You have come this far, Mr. Anet.
01:20:12Mr. Peter Anet.
01:20:15You ask only those questions.
01:20:30Mr. Bin Laden.
01:20:34If Arabia becomes an Islamic state,
01:20:37what happens to the price of oil?
01:20:43CNN has obtained an exclusive interview with Osama Bin Laden,
01:20:47the Saudi Arabian Muslim leader.
01:20:48Last year, the militant Muslim leader declared a jihad,
01:20:52a holy war on the United States,
01:20:54and is currently a fugitive in Afghanistan.
01:20:57Tell us something about your life
01:20:59before you joined the struggle against the Russians.
01:21:02Do you work for your father's construction firm as an engineer?
01:21:15Reporter Peter Arnett obtained the interview
01:21:17after going through unorthodox channels
01:21:19and being taken to a secret location in Afghanistan.
01:21:22We met in a hut in the Tora Bora mountains.
01:21:26We discussed oil prices,
01:21:29the holy war Bin Laden's declared on America,
01:21:33his experience of the war against the Russians in Afghanistan.
01:21:37He had very piercing eyes.
01:21:40He had a presence, a quiet ruthlessness.
01:21:44He was consciously speaking to the world through me.
01:21:52I suppose we get back to...
01:21:54Does he have the ability to wage war?
01:21:57Can he command a big enough army?
01:22:00Local operations, yes, but further afield?
01:22:04But can he touch a Muslim nerve?
01:22:07Who knows?
01:22:10We were used, Pete.
01:22:12Fair game.
01:22:14But what did we miss?
01:22:18Mr. Bin Laden, one final thing.
01:22:22What are your future plans?
01:22:35You will see and hear about them in the media.
01:22:41God willing.
01:22:45Oh, I went to the room.
01:23:03I was telling a person I ruled down.
01:23:05Yeah, really.
01:23:06I was telling a person I ruled down.
01:23:08Dad!
01:23:09Hey, great to see you, sweetie.
01:23:12And thanks for coming out.
01:23:14See you, Pete.
01:23:15Bye, Elsa.
01:23:16Yeah, talk soon.
01:23:18Oh, thanks.
01:23:22How was Kuwait?
01:23:24Actually...
01:23:25Yes?
01:23:27I've been in Afghanistan.
01:23:28You were going to Kuwait.
01:23:30We took a side trip.
01:23:32Of course you did.
01:23:34We found Bin Laden.
01:23:36What?
01:23:37You found him?
01:23:39But I don't think I found anything he didn't want me to know.
01:23:59It's going to be a warm one today.
01:24:01Numbers in the late summertime heat.
01:24:04Probably the hottest day we're going to see you until sometime next spring.
01:24:0790 degrees here in Central Park.
01:24:27We have some breaking news right now, and we're going to come back with that in a moment,
01:24:31when we're joined by the rest of the network.
01:24:34These are pictures from the foot of New York City at the World Trade Center.
01:24:39There's a major fire there.
01:24:41We don't yet know the details, but there's been some kind of explosion in the upper levels of the building.
01:24:47There are unconfirmed reports that a large plane has hit the World Trade Center,
01:24:54and you can see on screen that there is smoke coming out of both sides of the North Tower.
01:25:05Elsa?
01:25:07Elsa?
01:25:08Are you all right?
01:25:37I spoke to Mom.
01:25:39Who is she?
01:25:41Who is she?
01:25:42In shock.
01:25:43In shock.
01:25:44Like the rest of us.
01:25:45Andrew, too.
01:25:49Could you have had any idea this was coming?
01:25:52What a chance.
01:25:55It's unimaginable.
01:25:57Hindsight makes a fool of you.
01:26:04I asked him what his future plans were.
01:26:08You will see and read about them in the media.
01:26:12God willing.
01:26:15The simplicity of it.
01:26:20And now he's waiting for us to respond.
01:26:24He was using us to send a message.
01:26:26And we didn't listen.
01:26:32We didn't listen.
01:26:33We didn't listen.
01:26:45We'll be tree fear.
01:26:48We'll be tree fear.
01:26:50We'll beoit.
01:27:00We may be tree fear!
01:27:02Theะฟั
01:27:07The
01:27:14Thread
01:27:21It must have been a lot.
01:27:24Okay, we're done here.
01:27:26We can relax.
01:27:28Relax.
01:27:31Can we get a couple of still pictures now?
01:27:34Some photographs?
01:27:36Come on, guys.
01:27:44Okay.
01:27:48Are we ready?
01:28:17Are we ready?
01:28:19Are we ready?
01:28:22Are we ready?
01:28:30Are we ready?
01:28:32Are we ready?
01:28:34Are we ready?
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