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00:45Well, the sentence is due to the deforestation, due to the deforestation, in the Amazonia
00:55Colombian, there is where the boys, the young people, 25 young people were the ones who
01:01demanded the state, the nation, because practically they did not do anything for what was happening.
01:20The issue of the human-natural relationship is already placed on the equality of conditions.
01:26We as human beings have rights, there are social groups with their rights.
01:33Everyone had rights, less our Amazonia, than where we live.
01:40So, to say the Amazonia as a subject of rights, that is very important for us.
01:47And this was demanded the Supreme Court of Justice, and the Supreme Court of Justice was the one who gave
01:53the law,
01:54who declared the law, who gave the law, who gave the law, and that was where it came from.
02:01And that's where it came from.
02:14The sentence 4360 has brought big concerns to our farmers, especially for the figure and environmental
02:24that we have in our municipality.
02:26For example, the issue of the low capacity we have as a corporation to attend a vast territory
02:36like is the jurisdiction of our three departments, Bainia, Guaviara and Baupes.
02:41The issue of resources continues to be weak, because the problem of forestation
02:50goes to a much faster pace than the capacity we have.
02:56Yes, yes, it has changed, but everything is negative.
02:59Well, I don't know if...
03:02Well, I don't know if...
03:04The issue of that you go to an administration and ask a collaboration
03:07to help in your third life, where you take a daily life,
03:11you take a daily life, you take a daily life, you take a daily life,
03:15for example, I speak for my vereda, where we live in the plant,
03:18where we take 7 or 8 trucks loaded with plantains for Bogotá.
03:23And say to the Alcalde, come on, come on, come on, come on with the machinery
03:26to be able to intervene in these ways.
03:28And say, no, because you have a sentencing 4360,
03:31that if I do what I do, I'm going to echar to the jail.
03:32The Ministry of Justice, through its provisions, has had errors,
03:39structural errors.
03:40What do I mean with that?
03:42Because of the sentence 4360,
03:45there is a law that prohibit the territorial authorities
03:50to intervene in the ways of access to these communities.
03:54And the same community is the number one,
03:57the principal, the ways of access,
04:00as they are located in areas where there is the problem,
04:04where there is a zone of reserve, for example.
04:08But there are communities that have been 20, 30 years,
04:11much more.
04:11All there are schools,
04:14there are schools,
04:14there are schools of health,
04:15there are energy.
04:17So it is paradoxical that we do not allow
04:19for some determinants and limitants
04:22to, of course, tap a hole,
04:24to improve a trail of vial,
04:26because we are not going to open,
04:28we are going to open more vías.
04:31In the imaginario of the Justice Justice and the judges
04:35is that that is a tool that is a tool to prevent
04:39the deforestation.
04:40And it is not.
04:41It has been the most volatile combustible
04:44that they have been able to inject
04:47to the deforestation in the Guaviare
04:49and in that deep Colombia.
04:51For the deforestation,
04:52practically,
04:53I look at the sentence 4360,
04:57well,
04:58in the deforestation,
04:59it is very little what they have done.
05:01Because if we look at the deforestation,
05:03who does it?
05:05And they know,
05:06the institutions of the government
05:08that they have to realize that they know,
05:11they know who they are.
05:12They know who they are the deforestation,
05:13but they don't like it,
05:14because they are people that have power,
05:16I believe in the same state,
05:17they have commitments
05:18with the same politicians,
05:20or senators,
05:21or I don't know.
05:22It is possible,
05:23I can assure you,
05:24I don't have enough tools for that,
05:27but,
05:27actually,
05:29the deforestation
05:30is linked,
05:31one,
05:31to extensive cattle,
05:33two,
05:34to illicit use,
05:35or to use them,
05:37and three,
05:38perhaps to a phenomenon
05:38of acaparation of land
05:40for a colonization.
05:42So,
05:43the organized groups,
05:45the acaparadores of land,
05:47the issue of extensive cattle,
05:51in reserve areas,
05:53they are investing much more money
05:56than what we actually have available
05:59to serve.
06:00Our reaction capacity
06:05continues to be low,
06:07for issues of difficult access,
06:10for issues of public order,
06:13that makes it difficult
06:15to accionate
06:16in real time,
06:17and we have to articulate
06:19with entities
06:20like the legislature,
06:21and military forces.
06:22But one acaparadores
06:24is the deforestation,
06:25here in the department
06:26of Guadera,
06:26it's about three million,
06:27it's about 500,000,
06:32600,000 pesos,
06:33very low.
06:35For 100 acaparadores,
06:36how much money is needed?
06:3850,000,
06:4050,000,
06:4160,000,000.
06:43If today,
06:44they say,
06:45you don't have the capacity
06:46because they don't have
06:47the 60,000,000.
06:48In other words,
06:49the one who has it,
06:50the one who has it,
06:51the one who has it,
06:51the one who has it.
06:52Here,
06:53there have been,
06:54first,
06:55bad practices in production,
06:57from our part,
06:59and also a mistake
07:00in public policies
07:01to address that problem.
07:04What do I want to do with this?
07:08This colonization
07:09where we are today
07:10has been a colonization
07:12inducive
07:12by the same
07:13government and state
07:14colombian.
07:15As we can see,
07:16behind us
07:17there is interconexion
07:19electric,
07:20there has been
07:21investment in
07:22infrastructure
07:23community
07:23and social infrastructure.
07:25This has more
07:26than 40 years
07:28of intervention
07:28and today
07:30the national government
07:30does not want to recognize
07:32that intervention
07:35of the campesine community.
07:36of the campesine community.
08:06We will see you next time.
08:09We have to go
08:10and we have to go
08:12and we have to go
08:13and we have to go
08:14and we have to go
08:14and we have to go
08:15we don't know
08:16if we can weigh
08:17or we can do it.
08:19Because you have to go
08:21and take a little
08:21here,
08:22two million dollars
08:23in a dollar
08:23in the market.
08:24That's not a problem.
08:25they went on a pound
08:26and they were not
08:26going to have to go
08:27and they don't want to
08:31That's why
08:32that's not a problem.
08:37They go
08:38and they have to go
08:39of the desert
08:40to go
08:41because they have to
08:43get food
08:44and what else
08:45that's what a kilo
08:46can they pay
08:47to you
08:47at a price
08:49that's not
08:49in any product
08:50anymore
08:51We don't agree with the deforestation or the use of illicit crops, but we have to
08:57give tools and that comes from the conservation, from the collective construction of the territory,
09:02from the knowledge. People are in another way. Here in Calamar, people, we play for peace.
09:11I want to say to the government and to all the people who can see through this media,
09:16we can see that we are not environmental criminals, that today we don't want to continue
09:22with these practices, but we also want to see that the national government and the interior
09:27of the country know that here, in this deep Colombia, there are many difficulties.
09:32Look, if the farmer had the opportunity to build his land, to work, to have a productive project that
09:40he gives for his family, because in truth it is not that one wants to be rich, but that he
09:44can sustain his family, to have a more or less future, but there is no opportunity.
09:53Our action plan for all the Amazonas, not only Guaviare, costs about $40.000.000.000, a little more.
10:05In reality, ni destinando todo el recurso que tenemos en cada vigencia, alcanzaríamos
10:13a cumplir. Entonces, esa es una limitante. Se ha hecho el escalamiento al gobierno.
10:21Lo que nos hace falta son los recursos, porque tenemos un plan de acción muy enfocado en recuperar
10:27nuestros bosques, en conservar nuestras cuencas hídricas, en obviamente llegar, sensibilizar,
10:33enseñar, educar, porque ese es el primer camino, pero nos hacen falta los recursos.
10:37El campesino hoy se siente desplazado, un desplazamiento inducido por el mismo Estado.
10:43Además, donde hay problemas de deforestación, llega la acción militar a través de Artemisa,
10:49que más que una actuación judicial o militar se ha convertido en un terrorismo de Estado.
10:54El gobierno le echa la culpa a todo mundo, no se sabe quién, porque uno no es investigación
10:58para nada, pero a lo último, el pueblo sale siendo desplazado por los enfrentamientos,
11:03por la guerra, por la guerra entre bandas, entre cosas, y el pueblo sale siendo desplazado
11:09y a lo último, los dueños de esas tierras van a ser los que nosotros ya sabemos a dónde están.
11:15El contar con una sentencia de tal magnitud, de ese peso que nos obliga a todos a tener
11:23un foco, un mismo foco, un mismo objetivo, pues para nosotros es importante porque vincula
11:29a más entidades, ya no somos solos nosotros como corporación, nos obliga a tener un plan
11:35de acción específico para ello, que si bien nosotros pues estamos trabajando, haciendo
11:41nuestra tarea, ya uno dice, ya no estamos solos, ya nos obliga a articularnos más.
11:48La conservación de la Amazonía no es solamente del campesino, no es todos, todos tenemos que
11:52ver en esto y prácticamente las entidades del gobierno son las que tienen que poner lo máximo
12:00ahí porque ellos son los que tienen los recursos que necesitan para eso, hay muchos países
12:04que aportan plata para eso.
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