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00:12Coming up on Unidentified...
00:15Oh my gosh, dude. There's a whole fleet of them.
00:18Never forget those voices.
00:19You know those voices?
00:20I know those guys, yeah.
00:21If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes,
00:23I don't know if I would have believed in either.
00:25It was basically a sphere with a cube in his eye.
00:26So now these objects have a global presence.
00:30That thing is hauling ass.
00:31That's exactly my point.
00:33The Pentagon has confirmed the existence
00:35of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program
00:37that studied UFOs and they released video.
00:40They're all going against the wind.
00:42My gosh.
00:44For eight years, Lou Elizondo ran a secret UFO investigation
00:48for the U.S. military.
00:50But in 2017, he quit in protest.
00:53I put my entire future on the line
00:54because I believe in what I believe in.
00:57Now he's joined an elite group of former government insiders.
01:00Their mission?
01:01Reveal what they say is the truth about UFOs.
01:04U.S. airspace is being violated
01:06by vehicles of unknown origin with advanced capabilities.
01:10This is real and we're going to get to the bottom of it.
01:12If people knew these unidentified vehicles are operating
01:15within minutes of the D.C. area,
01:18they would say, excuse me,
01:20isn't this something we ought to pay attention to?
01:39How's our friend?
01:40Is you okay?
01:41He's really nervous.
01:42We've got him set up in a motel nearby.
01:44Sure.
01:44This is a big moment for him.
01:46He's going to be the first guy on his ship to come out.
01:48He has expressed his desire to have a conversation
01:51about something that seems almost extraordinary,
01:54can certainly make you nervous.
01:56Lou Elizondo is on his way to meet an active-duty Navy fighter pilot
02:00who's agreed to disclose for the first time
02:02details of an extraordinary series of UFO encounters
02:05captured on video over the Atlantic Ocean in 2015.
02:10With Elizondo is veteran Navy pilot David Fravor,
02:13who says he had a similar UFO encounter in 2004 over the Pacific.
02:17It's great that he's agreed to talk with us.
02:20I would start with, you know, what he was doing that day,
02:22let him tell his story.
02:30Hey, Ryan, how are you?
02:31I'm Lou. Nice to meet you.
02:32Nice to meet you, Lou.
02:33It's taken weeks of negotiating to convince the pilot to talk.
02:36Appreciate you taking the time to speak with us.
02:40Elizondo hopes having one of the most respected pilots
02:42in the Navy with him will put the younger pilot at ease.
02:462v1, huh?
02:47It's not a fair fight.
02:49Lieutenant Ryan Graves has spent a decade training Navy pilots
02:52and flying bombing missions.
02:54As a combat section lead, he twice deployed to the Middle East
02:57and holds a degree in aerospace engineering.
03:00Go ahead. Let's start from the beginning.
03:02Well, simply put, I don't really know where the beginning is.
03:05In the summer of 2014,
03:08Lieutenant Graves was based out of Naval Air Station Oceana
03:10in Virginia Beach.
03:15Lieutenant Graves says his squadron, the Red Rippers,
03:18was running training exercises up and down the East Coast
03:21when they started to pick up mysterious radar tracks.
03:24We didn't really think a lot of them other than the fact
03:26that maybe they were just a part of the radar itself,
03:31not necessarily an actual physical object.
03:33Is there any difference between the aircraft you were flying in 2015
03:37versus what he was flying in 2014?
03:40We had upgraded electronics, radar systems.
03:43It's a generational difference.
03:45It's a big deal.
03:45Is it? Okay.
03:46Huge, huge increase in capability.
03:47Okay.
03:48The pilots wondered if their new radar system was malfunctioning
03:51until they saw one of the unidentified objects up close.
03:55Walking through that moment,
03:56were you there or was it one of your colleagues?
03:58It was one of my colleagues,
03:59so I didn't hear about it until they landed.
04:01Did he give you size, color, texture?
04:04It was basically a cube inside of a sphere
04:07where the points of the cube were touching outside of the sphere.
04:13We've got now two different things.
04:14You guys got cubes with balls.
04:16Around the West Coast, we got flying Tic Tacs.
04:20You will sometimes get phantom tracks
04:22where it's seeing something that's not there.
04:24That's what we thought they were 100% of the time
04:26until we would see them physically,
04:28the mentality of them with their eyeballs.
04:29It's not like I'm seeing a bright physical object.
04:32I'm literally just seeing a flash shine out there.
04:35And wherever we were, they were there.
04:37So that could mean two things.
04:38That could mean they were already there
04:40or they were following the strike group.
04:43By 2015, Lieutenant Graves claims his pilots
04:46were encountering bizarre craft almost every time they flew.
04:50You know, it's one thing if one person sees one of these objects,
04:52they're like, okay, that's crazy.
04:54When you go out there every day and you see them
04:56and your brothers and sisters and other squadrons are seeing them,
04:59you know, it's like, okay, well, this is probably some type of maybe drone thing
05:03or something that they're testing out.
05:05It wasn't until someone actually saw one go in between two aircraft
05:09at a close range, probably within 150 feet,
05:11that it was starting to get worrisome.
05:15Lieutenant Graves says when one of the objects
05:16nearly caused a terrifying mid-air collision,
05:21senior pilots in his squadron decided to act.
05:24At this point, we're like, something needs to be done.
05:27We submitted a safety report to the Navy Safety Center.
05:30They've been seeing these things for two months.
05:32Multiple people have seen them, multiple people have tracked them.
05:34You get one that splits a section,
05:37enough to send out your mishap report to the Safety Center.
05:41Did anyone contact you and say what is going on?
05:44No.
05:44No investigation, no nothing.
05:46No.
05:49We have a video I'd like you to see.
05:51Without telling you anything about it,
05:54I'm going to be curious your thoughts,
05:56and you can tell me what you see.
05:58These three UFO videos were released by the Pentagon.
06:02The one on the left has already been identified
06:04as the 2004 incident involving David Fravor.
06:08The source of the other two had remained a mystery.
06:12We got it!
06:15This video has come to be known as Go Fast
06:17and shows an object speeding just above the water.
06:22The other is known as Gimbal.
06:25The sensor is on a Gimbal underneath the aircraft
06:28and it can rotate to maintain a track.
06:31They're all going against the wind.
06:33My gosh!
06:35There's a whole fleet of a look on the ASA.
06:38My gosh!
06:39Never forget those voices.
06:41You know those voices?
06:41I know those guys, yeah.
06:42It's a breakthrough in the investigation.
06:44For the first time, a pilot has confirmed
06:47that the two unidentified videos, Gimbal and Go Fast,
06:50were taken by Navy jets from the Theodore Roosevelt.
06:52We're getting ready for our deployment,
06:54so we do work-ups along the eastern seaboard,
06:57and these objects kind of came with us.
06:59Lieutenant Graves says both Gimbal and Go Fast
07:01were filmed within weeks of each other
07:03over the Atlantic off Jacksonville, Florida.
07:07And as Lieutenant Graves' squadron was preparing to deploy to the Middle East,
07:11they were seeing so many mysterious objects,
07:14they started sharing the videos when they got back on ship.
07:17They were obviously very excited about what happened,
07:19and then they were heading down to watch the full video in its entirety.
07:22There's parts of this video that we can talk about that aren't here.
07:25Let's walk through that.
07:26So this object was significantly larger than the ones we're used to seeing.
07:31Lieutenant Graves says the Gimbal video
07:33is just part of a longer, higher-resolution video
07:36he was shown on the ship.
07:37It included several smaller craft, the kind he was more familiar with.
07:42They were essentially flying themselves in a formation.
07:45And then behind those was the object that you kind of see here,
07:50and not the world's greatest drawer, but as you can see here,
07:53it almost looks like a gyroscope, right?
07:55The way it moves, the points coming out of the top and the bottom
07:58of what appears to be a disk or at least a central mass on the object.
08:02So these objects were proceeding in one direction.
08:05The five, at some point, basically just turned themselves around
08:09with some type of radius to turn as a unit,
08:12and started flying in that direction.
08:14At this time is pretty much where you see this video,
08:17where these are now out of the picture,
08:18and it's just this guy that's stationary.
08:21Is that why they refer to them as there's a whole fleet of them?
08:23Yep.
08:24Okay.
08:25So there wasn't a whole fleet of these,
08:26there was just all these little guys.
08:28And then there's the one object which we had never seen before,
08:30which was significantly larger.
08:32Lieutenant Graves says the way the larger craft
08:34suddenly rotates at 90 degrees is unlike anything he had ever seen.
08:40It's rotating.
08:42It's just basic airplane physics.
08:44When your wings are underneath you,
08:45and you're flying along, you have 100% of your lift.
08:47And if you turn yourself all the way like this,
08:51kind of knife-blading,
08:52you have none of the lift that your wings would provide you.
08:54So the fact that he would just get himself on his wingtip with no turn,
08:58by staying at the exact same point,
09:00isn't how aircraft work.
09:03Ryan Graves is an aerospace engineer when he's not a pilot.
09:07So when Ryan is telling you that there is something up there
09:10that he doesn't know how it works,
09:13and it is not one of our aircraft,
09:16you need to listen.
09:18What's fascinating and interesting about these objects
09:20is that they're up there when we take off.
09:23They're doing their thing for our hour, hour and a half,
09:25maybe two hour flight.
09:27And then we land,
09:28and my buddy that takes off an hour later has seen the same things.
09:32This is important.
09:34Now we're looking at something that can stay stationary
09:36over a geographic point in 120 knots of wind.
09:40We're all going against the wind.
09:41The wind's 120 knots from the west.
09:43Can rotate around,
09:45and then can accelerate above supersonic.
09:48As a Top Gun guy,
09:50have you seen something like that before?
09:53No.
09:54No, I'm, I'm,
09:56I'm pretty baffled right now.
09:59Coming up on Unidentified.
10:01What Lieutenant Graves says next,
10:03stuns Elizondo and Fravor.
10:05At least 50 or 60 people.
10:06I've talked to people from other squadrons since the same story.
10:09And even more startled is where the UFOs appeared next.
10:19There are people out there that you know right now
10:22that you can pick up the phone and they would say,
10:24yeah, that was something that we routinely encountered.
10:28Probably at least 50 or 60.
10:30Yeah.
10:3150 or 60 individuals.
10:32Easily.
10:34Lou Elizondo and veteran Navy fighter pilot David Fravor
10:37are learning new details about an extraordinary case caught on camera.
10:41Action.
10:45Active duty Navy pilot Lieutenant Ryan Graves
10:47says a fleet of UFOs followed his carrier from the summer of 2014 into 2015 off the East Coast.
10:57The reason Lieutenant Graves is speaking out is because he's concerned about his comrades
11:02and he's concerned about national security.
11:05And he's seeing a system which is failing to react.
11:08Chris Mellon is a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.
11:13If people in the D.C. area knew that within minutes of their location,
11:18these unidentified vehicles are operating seemingly without regard to our air defense capabilities,
11:26operating at will just minutes from the nation's capital,
11:28I think they would say, uh, excuse me, isn't this something we ought to pay attention to?
11:34The incidents had disturbed Lieutenant Graves and his fellow pilots.
11:38But what happened in the months following would raise the stakes even higher.
11:44In March 2015, the Theodore Roosevelt was deployed to the Arabian Gulf.
11:49When suddenly, Lieutenant Graves says the UFOs reappeared.
11:53We did have issues with them when we actually went out to the Middle East.
11:56Not in the transit, but once we actually settled out into the Middle East.
12:03In the Middle East, one of the targets of U.S. firepower was the Russian allied Syrian government.
12:10Were the unidentified objects tracking the Navy jets actually next generation Russian drones?
12:18No one really knows, you know, what they are, but if it was an aircraft, if it was a MiG,
12:23if it was, uh, any type of enemy aircraft, it would probably be a pretty big deal.
12:28So, that airspace is exclusive-use airspace that we use out there, uh, over the ocean for tens of F
12:36-18s going every day.
12:37You know, we've got these things showing up, you've got these things showing up that are following the ship.
12:41No one seems really curious.
12:42At least pulling the data to go, you know, if ten F-18s come back and say,
12:46yeah, we're seeing these things all over, you would think someone would prompt to go,
12:49hey, what is going on?
12:51So, you have objects off the coast of San Diego, you have objects potentially off the coast of Virginia,
12:58and these objects now somewhere over the Middle East.
13:01So, now these objects have potentially a global presence, not a regional presence, a global presence to be wherever they
13:10want to be.
13:10Yeah.
13:11I'm fascinated that over 60 people have seen these things and it's just become like the accepted norm.
13:17I appreciate what you guys are doing, trying to hunt down these answers from guys like me.
13:24You know, if there's anybody else who has had some interesting experiences like this, we'd love to know. We want
13:30to know what this is.
13:39In the 2004 Nimitz incident, Navy pilots went head-to-head with a tic-tac-shaped object.
13:48Ten years later, the Roosevelt pilots say they encountered three different craft.
13:56A cube inside a sphere, a large disc-shaped UFO, and a smaller round object captured here.
14:03We used to call them Foo Fighters. That's what they used to call unidentified flying objects during World War II
14:08that the old guys saw.
14:10During the war, mysterious flying objects were reported by American pilots over Europe and the Pacific.
14:18These Foo Fighters were often described as small spheres, similar to what was seen by the Roosevelt pilots 70 years
14:24later.
14:26We seem to be dealing with more than one phenomenon. Where they're from, who's operating, what their intent is.
14:31Maybe there are in fact multiple sources that are competing and contending that are developing these craft.
14:37In either case, it's hard to find a prosaic explanation for a carrier battle group being shadowed by unidentified aircraft
14:48all the way across the Atlantic to an area of operations overseas in the Middle East.
14:55It makes an extremely compelling case for the existence of technologies that we didn't even think were possible.
15:04So jets, we're going to play the video. I'd like your opinions on what we're seeing, play by play.
15:08The Navy's UFO videos are so potentially explosive that Elizondo wants an independent analysis of what exactly they show.
15:15Sit down right here.
15:17Retired Marine Lieutenant Colonel Chris Cook spent a career flying fighter jets.
15:21Ross Amer flew commercial aircraft for decades and consults for the National Transportation Safety Board.
15:29I don't want to give you too much information on these videos up front.
15:32I think it's important that we look at this information without too much background.
15:37Elizondo's already asked them to analyze the 2004 footage from the Nimitz.
15:41But now he wants their take on the two videos from the Roosevelt in 2015.
15:49The Go Fast video is 33 seconds long and shows a round craft that appears to be streaking across the
15:55ocean surface.
15:59Oh my gosh!
16:01Woohoo!
16:02Roger.
16:03There's some shooting.
16:05Yeah, dude.
16:07Can you find smooth and target?
16:09No, I took an auto track.
16:11Oh, okay.
16:12Oh my gosh, dude.
16:14Wow!
16:14Look at the price!
16:19That thing is hauling ass.
16:20That's exactly my point.
16:21It's a little less than two thirds of speed assumed.
16:23But how is the craft able to fly so fast?
16:27The infrared sensor shows the object is cold.
16:30If this were some type of aircraft with a conventional propulsion system,
16:36we would definitely see some type of heat signature.
16:39Everything we know about propulsion systems is they create an intense amount of heat.
16:44Typically when an airplane moves out of the way or tries to maneuver or evade,
16:51it will typically go to full power.
16:54And everything we know about propulsion systems is they create an intense amount of heat.
17:00Afterburner, in particular for the F-18, you know, can extend 30 feet behind the airplane.
17:06So if it was a conventional type aircraft, you would most definitely see some type of an IR signature plume
17:15behind the airplane.
17:16Yeah.
17:17Well, and that seems to me, as a layperson, I mean, I don't know how far that thing is away,
17:22but it seems kind of sudden.
17:23It seems like it's all of a sudden here and starts to drift to the left and then boom, boom,
17:30out of the way.
17:31Now, here's the interesting part of this geometric problem is if it is close, that for that object to move,
17:40if it is at a, you know, a pretty significant range, for it to move off that quickly, that's very
17:48fast.
17:48And if it's far away to move that quickly?
17:52Even faster.
17:52It's even faster.
17:54Wow. Very, very interesting.
17:57There is no known aircraft that can stay aloft for long without a source of lift and propulsion.
18:07The gimbal video is even more baffling to the experts.
18:11It shows a craft midair that rotates into a near perpendicular position to the ground.
18:34The strange way the object turns in midair confuses both experts.
18:39It is definitely rotating, it appears to be, or, you know, changing angle of bank.
18:44And it appears to have stopped moving quickly across the horizon.
18:48And yet, it doesn't lose any altitude. It doesn't seem to be dropping.
18:53Sadly, with all the experience that you think we have, I can't figure it out.
18:59Well, I certainly can, Chris.
19:01No.
19:02I have no idea.
19:02Yeah.
19:03I've always kind of been skeptical about aliens and, you know, UFOs and things like that.
19:09But I've never seen anything remotely like what I saw today.
19:14I'm a lot more convinced now that these vehicles do exist.
19:19Coming up on Unidentified.
19:21First three words that spring to mind are bizarre, incredible, and unacceptable.
19:41Good morning, Lou. Welcome.
19:43How are you doing today?
19:44Very well, thanks.
19:46Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Chris Mellon,
19:50has convinced a powerful group of lawmakers to meet with him about ongoing military encounters with UFOs.
19:56But first, Lou Elizondo is briefing him on the latest breakthrough in their investigation.
20:00What I'd like to do is show you a short highlight of an interview that we did recently with an
20:05active-duty pilot.
20:07Elizondo had convinced a Navy pilot to go public with the story behind two unidentified Pentagon UFO videos captured off
20:14Florida.
20:15Where the Nimitz was occurring in the Pacific, we have now very similar incidents occurring in the Atlantic.
20:24Before I say any more, why don't we just watch a few minutes here?
20:31We're getting ready for our deployment on the Theater of Louisville over in Virginia Beach, NAS Oceana.
20:35Lieutenant Ryan Graves described how UFOs appeared to follow his carrier strike group from the summer of 2014 into 2015.
20:42It wasn't until someone actually saw one go in between two aircraft at a close range, probably within 150 feet,
20:48that it was starting to get worrisome.
20:51Well, I'll tell you the first three words that spring to mind are bizarre, incredible, and unacceptable.
20:59If that wasn't interesting enough, these incidents were encountered near the United States.
21:03And as they made their way to the Middle East AOR, they encountered these things again, almost like they were
21:09being stalked.
21:10You know, as a former intelligence person, I'm a little frustrated that we spend 50 billion a year to try
21:18to avert strategic surprise.
21:20And then we have vehicles with extraordinary capabilities that may be surveilling one of our aircraft carrier battle groups.
21:28And nobody's taking action to find out where these things are coming from and what they're doing there.
21:34Lieutenant Graves' squadron had filed a report to the Naval Aviation Safety Office.
21:40But he says nothing was done about what they'd come to see as a serious threat.
21:45There were innumerable radar contacts and sightings over an eight-week period all the way across the Atlantic, as many
21:54as perhaps 60 naval personnel who had eyes on either on radar screens or visually in the air.
22:01So the evidence is sort of the tip of the iceberg, if you will.
22:06I think your friends on the Hill may be very surprised to know that these incidents have continued as recently
22:13as 2015.
22:15Lou Elizondo, Chris Mellon, these are guys that are trying to work through the system.
22:20They're not outside the system sort of throwing grenades in order to get their way.
22:25They're trying to get Congress on board.
22:27They're trying to get more of the Pentagon leadership to pay attention.
22:31But because they are bound by their oath to protect classified information, they need to be careful.
22:36Mellon wants to show the video of Lieutenant Graves to his contacts and powerful congressional committees that oversee national security.
22:44He hopes the lieutenant's dramatic story will get Congress to acknowledge these incidents are real and take action.
22:51But Mellon knows he has to be careful.
22:53Talking about UFOs carries the decades-long stigma of flying saucers and alien visitors.
22:58The alien angle on this is the biggest impediment to progress.
23:02I agree.
23:03And I want to steer as far clear of that as possible in any discussions.
23:07This is an issue of unknown aircraft that appear to be surveilling the fleet in significant numbers over prolonged periods
23:16of time.
23:17They're being observed by large numbers of pilots.
23:21They're being, the observations are confirmed by our sensor systems.
23:27And nobody seems to be taking action.
23:30And here we have multiple mysterious aircraft with absolutely stunning sort of unprecedented capabilities flying in restricted military airspace in
23:42close proximity to carrier battle groups working up for deployments to the Middle East.
23:47And the Congress isn't being informed.
23:49The upper echelons of the department are not being informed.
23:52Senior people in the intelligence community don't seem to be getting the message.
23:56And nobody's responding.
23:58Maybe at the end of the day we'll find a personal, a simple, reasonable explanation.
24:03Maybe we'll find out it was some special classified program.
24:06We can pop a bottle of champagne and we can celebrate our breakthrough and that's great, right?
24:11I have faith that the leadership in this country does want to do something about it.
24:15I think that they do want to know about this.
24:18I think that there are challenges that we have internally, probably in part because of stigma, probably in part because
24:24of other things,
24:26that for some reason this information isn't getting trickled up to the right levels for attention.
24:33I'm going to fold this up and get out of your hair.
24:36Thank you, Lou. Great job. Great work.
24:38Elizondo hands Mellon a tablet with a clip from the interview.
24:42And he heads to a closed door meeting on Capitol Hill.
24:47Not everybody recalls from their civic lesson that it's the Congress, not the executive branch,
24:53that raises and maintains the military and is responsible for their organization and funding.
25:00And they can't do that effectively if they don't know what the threats are out there.
25:08Over the decades, Congress has made sporadic attempts to tackle the UFO issue with little result.
25:14In 1966, House Minority Leader Gerald Ford called for hearings after a rash of UFO sightings in his Michigan district.
25:23Two years later...
25:24Beings that come from the sky, that are worried about us, that are powerful.
25:28Astronomer Carl Sagan told the House Committee on Science and Aeronautics that investigating UFOs was a valid pursuit.
25:35And Project Blue Book's J. Allen Hynek testified that he hoped respected scientists would study his UFO reports.
25:41How many really mysterious incidents are there that you'd like to go back and look at again?
25:47Well, as I mentioned in the hearings this morning, I have picked some 20 which have possible scientific pay dirt
25:53in them.
25:53But Project Blue Book was closed down a year later.
25:56And Hynek's dream would have to wait.
26:0150 years later, Elizondo and Mellon are again pushing Congress to take notice.
26:06What's the word?
26:07Oh, good meeting.
26:08Really good meeting.
26:09Lawmakers had already heard from the USS Nimitz pilots during a closed-door meeting earlier in the year.
26:14It's getting a lot more attention now.
26:16We, as a military, we as an institution, we as an American people, we should take this seriously.
26:23They recognize that the Nimitz incident was not an isolated incident.
26:28Yeah, absolutely.
26:28That there's a trend.
26:29Absolutely.
26:30Excellent, excellent.
26:30And they'd like to hear as more people come forward and approach us, they're interested in hearing what they have
26:34to say also.
26:35Now, Mellon's Washington contacts have told them they want to meet directly with Lieutenant Graves and any other pilot in
26:41his squadron who's willing to speak up.
26:46Carl Sagan once famously said about UFOs, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
26:52He was absolutely right.
26:55But now we have the proof.
26:57The question now is will people look at the evidence and are they able to process it?
27:08Lieutenant Ryan Graves has just described, for the first time, a terrifying series of encounters over the Atlantic between UFOs
27:15and the U.S. Navy.
27:18He says a fleet of UFOs stalked his squadron for months off the East Coast and even followed them to
27:24the Middle East.
27:32From my experience on the East Coast, tens, if not a hundred people have had this issue.
27:41Really, the issue is that there's no real means of communication to kind of express that information.
27:47So what'll happen is you'll see something interesting and you'll show your buddies, including your skipper, and that's really where
27:54the conversation ends.
27:55Graves says his fellow pilots saw at least three different shapes of UFOs.
28:00Now, a second eyewitness is coming forward.
28:07What's up, buddy?
28:08Hey, what's up, man?
28:09How you doing?
28:10Good.
28:10How are you?
28:11Doing well, dude.
28:15I'm a very keep things close to the chest kind of guy.
28:18I trust him.
28:19We've flown together.
28:20We deployed together.
28:22And so when Lieutenant Graves was saying he's got some people interested in talking to us, I was willing to
28:28help him out.
28:30Many of these pilots have hundreds, if not several thousands of flying hours.
28:35It's not in their interest to make this stuff up because professionally it could be very damaging to them.
28:41In 2015, Lieutenant Graves and Lieutenant Danny Acoyne were training to deploy to the Middle East.
28:51What was the first thing you thought when you saw it?
28:54That actually there is actually something there?
28:56The first time you see it on the radar, it could possibly be a false track.
29:00But then when you start to get multiple sensors reading the exact same thing, and then you get to see
29:04a display, that solidifies it for me.
29:08Again and again, the pilots were capturing bizarre-shaped objects on their F-18s cameras.
29:16Two of the videos would be released to the public.
29:19One would come to be known as GoFast.
29:21The other was called Gimbal.
29:23Really no distinct wings, no distinct tail, no distinct exhaust plume, much like you see in the Gimbal video.
29:33It seemed like they were aware of our presence because they would actively move around us.
29:39Lieutenant Graves was in the air the day the Gimbal video was recorded.
29:43We came back, we landed, and we got back to the ready room.
29:47We were getting our gear off, and we were like, dude, Diego, check this video out in Civic.
29:52We're all going against the wind. The wind's 120 miles from the west.
29:56Move this thing!
29:57His flight path doesn't look like it moves at all.
29:59Yeah, his flight path doesn't change. The altitude's not changing.
30:02So it's basically just rotating in some fashion, at least from my perspective.
30:06No, I'd say the same thing. That's definitely not a maneuver I've pulled before.
30:11According to the pilots, the GoFast video was captured several weeks later off Florida's east coast.
30:23So, do you think that's the same air crew as the first one?
30:27Both videos appear to feature the same voices.
30:33That's led to questions whether they were faked.
30:36On the one hand, you could say, well, you know, it makes it more credible because you're hearing in the
30:41moment how surprised these military pilots are.
30:46At the same time, it probably increases the chances that somebody could have spliced in the audio to make it
30:50sound more credible.
30:52That is the same air crew because I recognize my buddy's voices.
30:56Yeah. Yes, I think a lot of people will.
30:59I definitely recognize the voices of both the Wizzo on both of them, and then the pilot and I were
31:05really good friends inside and outside of work.
31:07Our families spent a lot of time together.
31:13I don't know what this thing is. I don't know. This one's weird to me. I don't really know how
31:16to describe it.
31:16Could it have been a drone? I think, yes, it could have been.
31:19Whatever it was was small, which is why it was difficult to pick up visually.
31:24Despite their seemingly incredible capabilities, neither pilot can disregard the possibility that whatever was captured on both videos was either
31:32a technology controlled by the U.S. military or one of America's enemies.
31:37Is there anything that you know of that could make turns like that?
31:42Um, I don't know. I don't know how deep I want to go down that path right now.
31:50In 2015, the commander of the Roosevelt Strike Group was Rear Admiral Andrew L. Lewis.
31:57Lieutenant Graves was there when the Admiral came below deck to watch one of the videos.
32:02So I stayed in the room in the Civic because I heard the Admiral was coming down to check the
32:05video out.
32:05We've been dealing with this for a while. Let's see what he says about this save.
32:08And he walked into the room and I see him just look at the video for like five seconds.
32:14Just go, huh, and walk out. That was it.
32:19Could the mysterious craft have been part of a secret test program?
32:23Or were they sent by a foreign adversary, a so-called red threat?
32:27If it's some red threat, that would be enormous. If it was someone operating drones out there, that would be
32:34enormous too.
32:35Because someone's going to have a midair and you're going to lose an aircraft.
32:36If it's something totally outside of that, then, you know, obviously the implications from that are enormous as well.
32:42Nobody wants to go to the Admiral and say, sir, we're screwed.
32:47There's this aircraft that just got under the wire and we didn't even know they were there.
32:51And they've been there, you know, before.
32:55There is definitely this fear that either an adversary or someone else has developed a technology.
33:04And every defense system we have developed over decades to protect our forces is irrelevant.
33:11And that's a scary thought if you're in the military.
33:13We're just trying to figure out exactly what we saw.
33:17If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I don't know if I would have believed in either.
33:26I don't know if I would have believed in the military.
33:29Coming up on Unidentified.
33:32What happens when it's behaving in a way that these guys and pilots are saying, I have no clue?
33:38Well, that's when you start seeing the expletives come over the radio.
33:47Hey, what's up?
33:48Hey, Steve.
33:49Listen, I was going through my notes.
33:51I was wondering if maybe I could share a few thoughts with you, get your opinion on a few things.
33:55Yeah, yeah.
33:56Lou Elizondo's investigation has raised a critical question.
33:59Why were the UFOs captured in all three F-18 videos, seen near U.S. Navy carrier strike groups, even
34:06following one of them into a war zone?
34:11How do you know that a foreign adversary hasn't leapfrogged us in technology by a generation?
34:17How do you know we're not just seeing the new jet of the future?
34:20If anyone might know the answer, it's Steve Justice.
34:23In his three decades at Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, he helped design some of America's most advanced attack aircraft.
34:30Why would it be near carrier battle group?
34:33Okay, so what was the carrier doing at the time?
34:36Workups?
34:37Yep, it was doing workups.
34:38Okay, ready for deployment.
34:40Okay, and so would that be something an adversary would want to see?
34:44Damn well we want to know, yeah.
34:45I want to know anything and everything that our foreign adversaries are doing.
34:48Right.
34:48And a workup is a perfect place to do it.
34:50Right, because coms and everything are being used.
34:52Well, and you're going to see that thing working as it's working in the field, and that's what I want
34:56to know.
34:57Right.
34:57But what happens when you don't have the pilots recognizing what it is and it's behaving in a way that
35:02these guys and pilots are saying, I have no clue.
35:05Well, that's when you start seeing the expletives come over the radio.
35:09That's fair, expletives.
35:15A foreign adversary can't just send in a typical reconnaissance aircraft because we won't let them into our area.
35:21They would have to send in something that's super, super low observable, something that is super sophisticated and fast that
35:27can get in, look at what it is we're doing, and then get back out, right?
35:31I mean, we want that capability, so why wouldn't a foreign adversary?
35:34Yeah.
35:35Well, you know, that's why I continue to doggedly pursue these what-if scenarios.
35:39My greatest fear is that an adversary did figure it out.
35:43And we are just way, way, way, way, way behind.
35:48In their work inside highly classified programs, both Elizondo and Justice had access to much more information than they're able
35:56to reveal.
35:57I think we owe it to ourselves.
35:59I think we owe it to everybody that is relying on us to collect the information and be fair and
36:04objective, right?
36:05I'm really desperately trying to do that.
36:09But at the same time, I feel a little bit disingenuous because sometimes, you know, I might have inside knowledge.
36:15There's a lot of stuff that you have to leave partitioned off, okay?
36:18But I would say there's just too many pieces of the puzzle that don't make sense, and it represents a
36:26set of capabilities that seem new to everybody in the community.
36:32If these aircraft had Russian or Chinese markings on them, and they were zipping in and out of an aircraft
36:37carrier battle group, there would be a budget, you know, the size of this building designed to get to the
36:43bottom of how do they develop that, and how do we replicate it, and how do we defeat it?
36:46But none of that is happening here, as far as we can tell.
36:49If these craft were sent by a foreign adversary, Elizondo says that threat would need to be reported to lawmakers.
36:55If anybody had this leapfrog technology, this would be a national intelligence collection priority, period.
37:02All hands on deck, Congress would be engaged.
37:04But we know that's not the case.
37:05We know that is a fact, because we're talking to the highest levels of Congress.
37:09We're feeding them information.
37:11We know Congress is just as surprised by this as Joe Q public.
37:14Yeah.
37:15So, I mean, that is, that for me is, I mean, that's a deal.
37:18And if that's why I'm saying, if it is a foreign capability going on, and this isn't occurred, dude, heads
37:22are going to roll.
37:24That's illegal.
37:25There's laws against that.
37:26You have to inform Congress.
37:29Something allegedly has been stalking America's nuclear-powered carrier strike groups.
37:33But neither Lou Elizondo or Steve Justice believe it's an enemy we know.
37:38I want to be careful we're not belligerent, you know, saying the Russians, the Chinese, that they're the big bad
37:42enemy.
37:42Because when it comes to this phenomena, they're really not.
37:47They're in the same boat we're in.
37:53Hey, man.
37:54Unfortunately, I'm no longer interested in communicating about the matter we discussed earlier.
37:59I hope you can understand this.
38:01Good luck with everything.
38:03He's, uh, he's spooked.
38:04This is the second guy in a week now that was part of that effort, uh, on the Roosevelt in
38:092015 that we've lost.
38:13Lou Elizondo convinced Navy pilot Lieutenant Ryan Graves to go public about his squadron's extraordinary encounters with UFOs.
38:22I've had conversations with friends from other squadrons and just, hey, there's stuff out there.
38:27I hope we don't hit it now because they're out there enough where someone could potentially have a midair.
38:31Something needs to be done.
38:32But after months of trying to persuade other pilots from the USS Theodore Roosevelt to speak out, Elizondo's hit a
38:39wall.
38:42The jet's weapons systems officer, allegedly heard throughout the Roosevelt videos,
38:47There's a whole fleet of them, look on the ASA.
38:49has backed out of an interview.
38:51The person's voice you hear in that video, that is the guy, um, that we were in contact with.
38:58This had the potential to really help shed light to get a better handle of what's going on.
39:04Kind of sucks, actually.
39:09While there are allegedly more than 50 Navy personnel who witnessed these UFOs, nearly all are afraid to come forward.
39:21So how you been, man?
39:22Good.
39:23So, uh, how you feeling about this?
39:25Uh, I'm feeling pretty good.
39:27But Lieutenant Ryan Graves has been summoned to the nation's capital for a closed-door meeting with members of Congress
39:32responsible for national security.
39:35They want to hear what happened when a fleet of UFOs appeared to stalk his carrier strike group.
39:42I'm not here to speculate or guess what it is.
39:44I can just simply provide, uh, as many facts as I can about this.
39:48The fact that Lieutenant Graves is willing to put his career at risk and speak out publicly about this while
39:54he's still active-duty military,
39:56really speaks volumes about the frustration in trying to work through the system.
40:01One can only hope that his courage will be rewarded and that, uh, people will pay attention.
40:07What would you like to walk away with at the end of this meeting you're about to have today?
40:11There's two issues here.
40:12One, uh, people aren't paying attention.
40:16And two, uh, there's a credibility problem, uh, and a stigma related to this.
40:21By observing hard facts and data from professionals and from our sensor systems,
40:27we can bring this to light in such a way that you can't just refute by saying, I don't believe
40:32you.
40:33Man, I hope you get a chance to tell him that.
40:37Like Lieutenant Graves, Lou Elizondo made his own decision to speak out when he quit the Pentagon's secret UFO unit
40:44in 2017.
40:46I think what Lou Elizondo and others have done is kind of break that mold a little bit,
40:52where it's okay to talk about this stuff.
40:54I mean, I've asked members of Congress about it, and they will tell me,
40:57yeah, you know, there may be something to this.
41:01There's also a new generation of members of Congress.
41:04They're younger, they're more open-minded, they're not afraid to ask tough questions.
41:09I think we're now seeing a generation of elected leaders, but also national security officials,
41:15who are more willing to talk about this issue and don't see it as much as a third rail.
41:19I think ultimately it's a discussion the American people have to have with themselves.
41:23And then tell your political leaders what you expect and what you want done.
41:33Lieutenant Graves' secret meeting lasted 90 minutes.
41:36It was off any public schedule and unknown to members of the press.
41:40How did it go?
41:40It seems like they recognize there is an issue, and they generally want to figure out what it is.
41:45His account was heard by members of the congressional committees that oversee national security,
41:50as well as a team from the Defense Department.
41:56At what point was it that people just stopped being interested in unexplained things?
42:01I mean, that's kind of what drives us, right?
42:03We get out there and, you know, we're learning new things, at least that's what drives me.
42:07We're trying to explore the unknown.
42:10To see something every day and just kind of brush it aside and not want to raise the question about,
42:16hey, you know, this is curious, maybe we should figure something out about this.
42:20It's just extremely frustrating that potentially whether this is some type of threat,
42:25you know, globally here, if we have some type of, you know, red air threat that's out there,
42:30gathering our waveforms and our tactics or something else, you know,
42:34if we're not curious, then what are we?
42:39On the next Unidentified.
42:41I didn't really want to talk about it, but I guess the cat's out of the bag.
42:46Whatever these UFOs were, wherever they're from, they had an intense interest in anything nuclear.
42:52Tell me what you experienced back in 1980.
42:55The on-duty police lieutenant came in, white as a sheet, and he said,
42:59we saw lights in the forest, there was something out there.
43:02I'm observing what appears to be a beam coming down to the ground.
43:05I'm thinking, is this some kind of communication?
43:07I couldn't believe what was happening.
43:09They didn't want the world to know, which is kind of scary,
43:14because you don't know what else they're covering up.
43:15I have improbative advice from how a smaller person is not good,
43:16Oh too.
43:16I haven't got to get involved, but that's it.
43:17I won't need to talk to anyone else.
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