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00:00:09Tonight on Dateline.

00:00:12Angela went out for a bike ride around dusk.

00:00:14She never came back.

00:00:17We thought it was someone she knew at the time.

00:00:20That she was living with?

00:00:21A boyfriend, yeah.

00:00:23Then details started coming.

00:00:25It was surreal.

00:00:27What did you find out about the zombie hunter?

00:00:30That really caught our attention.

00:00:31It said zombie hunter on the vehicle.

00:00:34The zombie hunter car.

00:00:35The zombie hunter car, yeah, with the dummy in the back.

00:00:38He had everything there.

00:00:39Bars, handcuffs.

00:00:4217-year-old Melanie was riding her bike.

00:00:45She was later found floating in the canal.

00:00:47The way she was killed just traumatizes you.

00:00:51There is a madman on the loose.

00:00:54I thought we would never know who did this.

00:00:57Everybody wanted to find this guy.

00:01:01Does either of you think that there are more murders that we don't know about?

00:01:05I do.

00:01:06The FBI profile said killer would not stop.

00:01:11The zombie hunter.

00:01:12It sounds like a Halloween costume, but was this one worn by a killer?

00:01:16I'm Lester Holt, and this is Dateline.

00:01:28Here's Keith Morrison with On the Hunt for the Zombie Hunter.

00:01:41It was a Sunday evening in November, Phoenix, Arizona.

00:01:45A wash of cool air, finally, as the sun dropped behind the valley's mountains.

00:01:52She loved this time alone, as she pedaled the long path by the canal that snaked through the city, and

00:01:59out along the valley floor.

00:02:00She could think on her bike, prepare.

00:02:05But, of course, we can't really know what she was thinking.

00:02:10Can only imagine all these years later.

00:02:14Can only remember.

00:02:17That has burned into my brain.

00:02:19I'll never, ever forget that.

00:02:23No, not that horror.

00:02:28Or the fear that went with it.

00:02:32I was really scared.

00:02:34I always thought that he was hiding around my apartment, like, waiting in a bush to kill me.

00:02:39It still gives me goosebumps and a pit in my stomach.

00:02:47What was it haunting the Arizona Canal?

00:02:54I think it's just evil and deep and more than we know.

00:03:12But now, back up.

00:03:14Months before that bike ride by the canal, when life was still normal, better than normal, exciting.

00:03:21It was 1992.

00:03:24Technological innovation was exploding everywhere.

00:03:27Phoenix, eager to be a leader, had become a magnet for young, ambitious people ready to make their mark.

00:03:34People like Jill Kelly, who worked for a company called Cintillect.

00:03:39They were one of the first companies to do interactive voice response, which back then was you call your bank

00:03:48and you wanted to find out your balance.

00:03:50And so you'd enter your account number over the telephone and it would speak the balance back to you.

00:03:56Was this all kind of new, cutting-edge stuff at the time?

00:03:59Yeah, it was.

00:04:00When I started working there, it really started booming.

00:04:03What did it feel like to be working for a company on the cusp of all new things?

00:04:09It was fun and interesting.

00:04:10And most of the people there were young and smart.

00:04:15In that talented crowd, the new hire stood out.

00:04:19Her name was Angela Brasso.

00:04:22It was going to be her very first grown-up job.

00:04:26What were your impressions of Angela when she came on board?

00:04:28She was just very composed and very intelligent and could really portray herself well, which

00:04:37you need to be able to do in front of a classroom full of customers.

00:04:44Classroom of customers?

00:04:46Yes.

00:04:47Companies that bought the technology had to learn how to use it.

00:04:51And bright young Angela was just the person to teach them.

00:04:55Or so Cintillect decided.

00:04:58She was brought in to develop a class for a new product.

00:05:02And she worked diligently for four months.

00:05:06And her first class with customers flying in from all around the country.

00:05:12That must have been a very big thing that she was looking forward to.

00:05:17Oh, yeah.

00:05:17Yeah, I mean, we were all helping her get ready.

00:05:21And it was a big thing.

00:05:23Was she nervous?

00:05:24I'm sure she was a little nervous.

00:05:26Yeah.

00:05:28Sunday evening, the eve of her big day, Angela put on her white sneakers, her Walkman, and

00:05:35her headphones, and left the apartment she shared with her boyfriend.

00:05:39He was baking a cake for her birthday, her 22nd, the very next day.

00:05:44She needed time alone.

00:05:47It was going dark by the time she got on her bike.

00:05:51She loved that bike.

00:05:53Loved the long ride up and down the canal.

00:05:56Loved the solitude, the peace, time to think.

00:06:01Maybe the time to settle her nerves.

00:06:04The next morning was going to be the most important of her young, professional life, and she had to be

00:06:08ready.

00:06:09And so she rode.

00:06:14And then, Monday morning, November 9th, 1992.

00:06:21We were waiting for her to come in for this class to begin.

00:06:25And then, we had customers sitting there, and no Angela.

00:06:30Dead Littlejohn was Angela's boss.

00:06:33And she didn't show up, didn't show up, didn't show up.

00:06:38Finally, one of the others stepped in to teach Angela's class.

00:06:42But where was she?

00:06:44She'd been so looking forward to this.

00:06:47Angela's workstation, as it happened, was right next to Jill's.

00:06:52The phone on her desk rang, and I just automatically picked it up.

00:06:56And it was her mother.

00:06:58And she asked to speak to Angela.

00:07:02And I said, she's not here at the moment.

00:07:05And her mother just really didn't say much more.

00:07:10But it was, it was chilling.

00:07:13So you could tell her mother was looking for her, and was pretty freaked out.

00:07:19Yeah.

00:07:21And so it began a decades-long mystery.

00:07:24Though the first part, where was Angela, was not a mystery for long.

00:07:29No.

00:07:31That was when the horror began.

00:07:35Are you sure this is happening?

00:07:38It's unbelievable.

00:07:57Angela Brasso's workmates knew right away that Monday morning in 1992, this was no ordinary

00:08:04absence.

00:08:05Not a case of nerves.

00:08:07No sudden, unannounced resignation.

00:08:09Something was up.

00:08:11And it couldn't be good.

00:08:13She never would have, you know, not come in on time on this particular day.

00:08:20It was her 22nd birthday, and Jill Kelly knew she had worked hard to prepare for her very

00:08:26first class as an instructor.

00:08:29So where was she?

00:08:32Angela's mother, thousands of miles to the east, could only phone and phone and phone.

00:08:39It wasn't like Angela not to pick up, and she was really concerned, really upset.

00:08:49Angela's boyfriend had called her mother the night before.

00:08:52Told her Angela left to ride her bike, but didn't come home.

00:08:57He got so worried, he called the police to report her missing.

00:09:01She'd gone on a bike ride, which was somewhat routine for her.

00:09:05Kevin Robinson was the spokesperson for the Phoenix police back then.

00:09:09She would always come home in time enough to watch a particular show on television.

00:09:13So it was so unusual when she didn't come back.

00:09:17Angela's boyfriend, Joe, told police he had stayed home Sunday night to bake Angela a birthday cake.

00:09:23But after an hour or so passed, he went out on his bike to look for her at 8.30,

00:09:28at 9.30,

00:09:29and again just before 11 p.m.

00:09:32No sign of her.

00:09:33And that is when Joe called 911.

00:09:37But police noted this.

00:09:39After he reported Angela missing, he called another woman.

00:09:43Who came to their apartment just before midnight.

00:09:46He said he didn't want to be alone.

00:09:48There were some strange things about it, most definitely,

00:09:51and so obviously it drew the attention of the detectives,

00:09:55who may want to just find out a little bit more.

00:09:57Police learned that Angela and Joe had been dating for more than a year and a half.

00:10:01They rented an apartment together when she moved to Phoenix in June of 92.

00:10:06They'd even bought matching 21-speed Diamondback Topanga mountain bikes.

00:10:14She loved life, and she enjoyed riding her bike, and she was, you know, 22 and fearless.

00:10:24Angela had always been bold.

00:10:27She grew up in a small Pennsylvania town called Camp Hill,

00:10:31but moved across the country to study at the DeVry Institute of Technology in Los Angeles.

00:10:37And she was a good student, eager, ambitious.

00:10:42Deb Littlejohn was impressed.

00:10:43Her genuineness came through in her interview, and she had a sense of humor, you could tell.

00:10:52She'd always make you laugh or smile.

00:10:55We kind of got there at the same time.

00:10:58Chuck Fitzgerald was a co-worker.

00:11:00He and she were both assigned to the new interactive voice response system.

00:11:05It was new stuff that no one else was ever doing, so it was pretty exciting to be involved in

00:11:10all that,

00:11:11both for me and I think for her as well.

00:11:13And she figured it out?

00:11:14Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. She figured it out.

00:11:16Yep, she was right.

00:11:18No way Angela would miss teaching her first class.

00:11:21Unless she couldn't show up.

00:11:24All that day, they waited and worried.

00:11:27And then late afternoon, detectives showed up at the door.

00:11:31A woman's body had been found by the canal, and they knew now, this was Angela's.

00:11:41She had been murdered, sexually assaulted, and stabbed to death.

00:11:47Now, that was horrific.

00:11:50First, she's missing, and you don't know where she is,

00:11:53and then you find out that she was killed,

00:11:57and it just affected us incredibly for just months and even years, and even now.

00:12:05When I think about it, I feel the same way that I did way back then.

00:12:12You have a lot of people who work for you that come and go,

00:12:15but when you have something like this go on,

00:12:18it really kind of cements you in the moment.

00:12:24Chuck was at a sales meeting halfway around the world in Thailand

00:12:27when he heard what happened, bit by bit.

00:12:30I remember sharing every one of those conversations we had with the Cinelex CEO

00:12:37and just what that did to the atmosphere of the sales meeting,

00:12:43learning what had happened.

00:12:44What did that feel like when you heard it?

00:12:47It was just bizarre.

00:12:48This can't be happening.

00:12:51Angie, really?

00:12:52It just couldn't be happening.

00:12:57Oh, but it was.

00:12:59And it was about to get worse.

00:13:03And then details started coming.

00:13:06It was surreal.

00:13:08A lot of detectives who had been on the department for a very long time

00:13:12and had seen a lot of things

00:13:13had never seen anything as bad as this.

00:13:31On the afternoon of November 9th, 1992,

00:13:34William Herman got the assignment he will never forget.

00:13:38Herman had been following an unusual career path.

00:13:41A year earlier, he had left his job as a school principal

00:13:44to work for the Arizona Republic newspaper.

00:13:48I got a call that day and they said,

00:13:51we need you to come in early and go out.

00:13:54And they told me we're up by Cactus Road and the I-17.

00:13:57They said, you'll figure it out when you get there.

00:13:58And I did.

00:13:59It was serious.

00:14:01There could be no doubt about that.

00:14:03Just based on the area the police had cordoned off.

00:14:07How bad, though?

00:14:08He couldn't tell.

00:14:10Couldn't see the crime scene.

00:14:12So he turned to a friend.

00:14:15A television reporter I knew had a long lens on it.

00:14:20And he let me take a look.

00:14:22And it was about as bad as it gets.

00:14:26What did you see?

00:14:27It was of a woman's naked body.

00:14:30She had shoes and socks on, I believe.

00:14:32But the head was gone.

00:14:33Hers, she'd been beheaded.

00:14:35Oh, my God.

00:14:35I tell you, obviously, my blood froze.

00:14:39And she was eviscerated.

00:14:41That is burned into my brain.

00:14:43That is burned into my brain.

00:14:45I'll never, ever forget that.

00:14:47It was an extremely horrific, gruesome murder.

00:14:52For those who knew Angela, the news was simply unbelievable.

00:14:58We, as a group, the whole group of us,

00:15:01got together and went over to where they found her,

00:15:06we couldn't believe it.

00:15:08We were all shocked.

00:15:10And, of course, distraught.

00:15:13I can't imagine what that must have felt like.

00:15:15It leaves you kind of numb.

00:15:17I sat down in the dirt and wrote my story

00:15:19and called it in to my editor.

00:15:22But I stayed out there looking

00:15:24and trying to get police to talk to me.

00:15:26And they were under orders not to talk to the likes of me,

00:15:29I can tell you that.

00:15:34No one could understand the sheer brutality of it.

00:15:39In something like a state of shock,

00:15:41reporter Herman joined others

00:15:43in a macabre and fruitless search.

00:15:47As I was looking for Angela Brasso's head,

00:15:50there was a feeling of the horror of the thing.

00:15:53And there were other people out there, you know.

00:15:55And someone would pass me, a police, firefighter.

00:15:59And we'd exchange looks of, you know,

00:16:03and the looks said, good God, this is the word, you know.

00:16:07And some few murmured words.

00:16:12Nor did the horror end.

00:16:14For more than a week,

00:16:16police searched for the rest of Angela Brasso.

00:16:19And finally, on the 11th day,

00:16:21a local drifter called the Fisher King,

00:16:24for his habit of fishing the canal,

00:16:26found her head in the water,

00:16:29said he just came upon it.

00:16:32But police said it seemed preserved somehow,

00:16:35as if refrigerated.

00:16:38And the whole city seemed to shudder.

00:16:41It caught hold of everyone.

00:16:43It was in the air.

00:16:46There was something else in the air, too.

00:16:48Fear.

00:16:50My God, there is a madman on the loose.

00:16:54You know, there is a bad guy out there.

00:16:57Everybody wanted to find this guy.

00:17:00This is somebody who identified a victim,

00:17:03attacked that victim, killed that victim.

00:17:06And were they capable of doing that another time?

00:17:09Or have they done it already?

00:17:11Were there any obvious things,

00:17:12like any clues or any witnesses

00:17:15who may have seen something happen?

00:17:17No, there wasn't.

00:17:19When you talk about starting at ground zero,

00:17:21that's truly where the detectives started.

00:17:24But why Angela?

00:17:26Either she was just an unlucky random victim,

00:17:29or, well, there's a kind of killing

00:17:31that is sadly more common.

00:17:33A killing that often involves overkill,

00:17:35a huge amount of rage,

00:17:37the domestic kind.

00:17:40And Angela's friends began wondering

00:17:42about the boyfriend, Joe,

00:17:45who said he was at home,

00:17:47baking a cake.

00:17:49We thought it was someone she knew at the time.

00:17:52That she was living with?

00:17:53A boyfriend, yeah.

00:17:56Police said that friends and co-workers

00:17:58told them the couple may have been

00:18:00on the cusp of breaking up,

00:18:02that he could be jealous,

00:18:03and her mother didn't approve of him.

00:18:06You go about talking to people

00:18:08who were close to her,

00:18:09in this case, the boyfriend, most definitely.

00:18:12That's always something that has to be done.

00:18:15Later, Joe spoke by phone

00:18:17to NBC affiliate KPNX in Phoenix.

00:18:20They went through my whole apartment.

00:18:22You know, they found this knife in my kitchen sink

00:18:26that had this pinkish-red material on it.

00:18:28And he's like, uh, can you explain this?

00:18:30And I'm like, yeah, it's for the birthday cake,

00:18:32and that's icing.

00:18:33Three times they interviewed Joe.

00:18:36Three times he swore he didn't do it.

00:18:38And then, less than five months after Angela was killed,

00:18:41the DNA found on her body ruled out Joe altogether.

00:18:45Though, didn't feel like it to him.

00:18:47In the media's eye, or in the public's eye,

00:18:50there are probably people that swore I did it.

00:18:54But there was someone else in Angela's life

00:18:56who caught the attention of detectives.

00:18:59One of Angela's professors at DeVry,

00:19:01police believed he had a crush on her.

00:19:04Could he be angry that she didn't return his feelings?

00:19:08They traveled out to DeVry in California

00:19:10to speak to him.

00:19:11You're going to look at people closest to the victim

00:19:15to make sure there wasn't something nefarious,

00:19:19something going on there that you're unaware of.

00:19:21The professor told police he'd seen Angela in L.A.

00:19:25just days before she was murdered.

00:19:27They had drinks, he said,

00:19:29and then she flew back home to Phoenix.

00:19:32Investigators were also chasing down a lead

00:19:34about Angela's purple Diamondback Topanga mountain bike.

00:19:37A clerk at a Circle K near Angela's apartment

00:19:40had tried to sell a bike that looked similar.

00:19:44Was he the killer?

00:19:45Or did the killer keep the bike discarded somewhere?

00:19:50There was a chance, at least,

00:19:51that the bike might lead them to the killer,

00:19:53so they distributed a photograph.

00:19:55Crime reporter William Herman

00:19:57kept a copy of it in his pocket.

00:19:59To show it to people, you know,

00:20:01and the police thought if maybe

00:20:02that bike had been abandoned somewhere,

00:20:04oh, I saw a bike just like that.

00:20:06That would have been invaluable to the police.

00:20:09Did it seem like the police were working as hard

00:20:11as they should have been at this to solve the case?

00:20:14Oh, yeah.

00:20:15We talked to them several times.

00:20:18They came to work and, of course,

00:20:20interviewed everybody at work.

00:20:22But all their efforts produced,

00:20:25no break at all.

00:20:26Oh, there were still persons of interest.

00:20:29The professor, the Fisher King who found Angela's head.

00:20:33They both insisted they were innocent.

00:20:36And then, ten months after the killing of Angela Brasso,

00:20:40a woman named Charlotte took a ride on the bike path

00:20:43beside the canal.

00:20:45All of a sudden, I noticed there were drag marks.

00:20:47And it went right around here.

00:20:49And my feet were right on the edge of this canal here.

00:20:52And I saw nothing but just drag marks of blood

00:20:55going into the canal.

00:21:14It was early when they climbed on their bikes

00:21:17that September morning,

00:21:18almost a year after Angela was killed.

00:21:21As usual, Charlotte Fottle, her sister,

00:21:24and their kids took the canal path,

00:21:26racing along, wind in their hair,

00:21:28toward a local playground near the canal.

00:21:30So that particular day,

00:21:32we came up here pretty fast.

00:21:35And right as I got up here,

00:21:37there was a big puddle.

00:21:40Odd.

00:21:41Not the sort of thing you'd expect to see

00:21:43on the path on a hot September morning.

00:21:46The reflection was hard to tell what color it was.

00:21:50And so I just assumed it was a puddle of water or something.

00:21:53Right here, right?

00:21:55Right up here.

00:21:55A little farther out.

00:21:57She shook it off.

00:21:59No big deal.

00:22:00And on they went.

00:22:02But as she pushed her daughter on the swing,

00:22:04she wondered about that puddle.

00:22:07What was it?

00:22:09I was very uneasy.

00:22:10And so we hurried back on our bikes

00:22:12and started heading back home this way.

00:22:14So once the sun was to my back,

00:22:16I could see right where the puddle was,

00:22:19right up here,

00:22:20that it had a red tint to it.

00:22:22And it was pretty big.

00:22:25And so I stopped

00:22:26and I had my sister hold the bike

00:22:28and I got down and looked at it really close

00:22:30to see,

00:22:31is it what I really think this is?

00:22:33Sure.

00:22:33But still in my mind,

00:22:35logically trying to make excuses for it.

00:22:37Like,

00:22:38this isn't blood.

00:22:39This isn't...

00:22:40Well, you wouldn't think it could be, right?

00:22:42Right, right.

00:22:42It had to be a mistake.

00:22:43Right.

00:22:44But I,

00:22:44all of a sudden I noticed there were drag marks

00:22:47and it went right around here.

00:22:49And so I followed over to the drag marks,

00:22:52walked around the tree

00:22:54and then it led me back right here.

00:22:56And then I noticed the drag marks

00:22:58went off right here.

00:23:01You just have this eerie feeling about you.

00:23:04Eerie, I would think.

00:23:05Yeah, you need to get out.

00:23:07You need to get out of here.

00:23:08And so we quickly hopped on our bikes

00:23:09and struggled with the thought

00:23:13that was a big mall at the time

00:23:15and we had to use pay phones.

00:23:16And I really struggled with,

00:23:17do I stop

00:23:19and call 911

00:23:20at a pay phone

00:23:21or do I just hurry and get home

00:23:23and decide from there.

00:23:25And still all the way home

00:23:26trying to rationalize.

00:23:28Did I really see what I saw?

00:23:30Is that real?

00:23:30What else could it be?

00:23:32And should I call the police?

00:23:35She did.

00:23:37And before long,

00:23:38investigators were following those drag marks

00:23:40to a young woman's body

00:23:43floating in the canal.

00:23:45Oh, my heart just sunk

00:23:46and just that sick feeling.

00:23:49Crime reporter William Herman

00:23:50heard about it on a police scanner

00:23:52and made his way back to the canal

00:23:54and found a contact with Phoenix police.

00:23:57And he said,

00:23:58we found the body of a young woman

00:24:00in the canal,

00:24:02profound injuries to her chest.

00:24:04And I said,

00:24:05was she riding a bike?

00:24:07And he said,

00:24:08you guessed it, buddy.

00:24:09And the bike's gone.

00:24:11And I just,

00:24:12you know,

00:24:13my heart sort of sunk.

00:24:15I thought,

00:24:15Jesus God,

00:24:16here he is again.

00:24:18He said,

00:24:19I'm not saying that, William.

00:24:21We are not saying yet

00:24:22that this is our guy.

00:24:24But of course,

00:24:25it had to be.

00:24:26Again,

00:24:27there were signs of sexual assault.

00:24:29Again,

00:24:30he'd used a knife.

00:24:31And again,

00:24:33seemed to know very well

00:24:34how to use it.

00:24:36One particular wound

00:24:37was delivered

00:24:38that may have incapacitated her,

00:24:41you know,

00:24:42killed her right then

00:24:43toward the back.

00:24:43So there was a thought

00:24:45maybe this person

00:24:46really understood

00:24:47that type of thing.

00:24:49What could incapacitate

00:24:50someone immediately

00:24:51with one type of blow?

00:24:53He'd carved letters

00:24:55into her skin

00:24:55as if sending

00:24:57some kind of

00:24:57sickening message.

00:24:59And then police discovered

00:25:01his victim was a teenager,

00:25:03just 17 years old.

00:25:06A high school kid

00:25:07named Melanie Burness.

00:25:09I believe I found out

00:25:11at school.

00:25:12Rachel Shepmaker

00:25:13was her close friend.

00:25:14It just,

00:25:15it was hell,

00:25:16you know.

00:25:17They let her friends

00:25:18come together

00:25:19and just

00:25:20kind of grieve together.

00:25:24They brought counselors in

00:25:26for whoever wanted to talk.

00:25:28And I think my mom

00:25:30just picked me up

00:25:31and took me home.

00:25:32But I remember

00:25:33I wanted to be

00:25:33with Melanie's friends

00:25:35who all loved her closely.

00:25:38But it was horrible.

00:25:39What does that do to you?

00:25:41When a friend

00:25:42who's that close to you

00:25:42just suddenly

00:25:43is killed that way?

00:25:44The way she was killed

00:25:47just traumatizes you.

00:25:48It's not like she,

00:25:49you know,

00:25:51it's not like something

00:25:51innocent happened to her

00:25:52and she fell,

00:25:53she died in her sleep.

00:25:54She was brutally

00:25:55attacked and murdered.

00:25:57Some information

00:25:58was withheld,

00:25:59of course,

00:25:59things only the killer

00:26:01would know.

00:26:02Well, police

00:26:03started from scratch

00:26:05again.

00:26:06For one thing,

00:26:07piecing together

00:26:07Melanie's last hours,

00:26:09starting with the night before.

00:26:11when she went out

00:26:11for an evening bike ride

00:26:13and didn't come home.

00:26:15Her mom had called

00:26:16our house frantically

00:26:18at 11 p.m.

00:26:19trying to find her

00:26:20and my mom just said,

00:26:22no, she's not,

00:26:22she's not here.

00:26:24Rachel's in bed sleeping.

00:26:27Thing was,

00:26:28Melanie had planned

00:26:29to go riding

00:26:30to go riding with a friend

00:26:31but then her friend

00:26:32had to work late

00:26:33so Melanie climbed

00:26:35on her bike

00:26:36and struck out

00:26:36on her own.

00:26:40They found her body

00:26:41more than 10 miles

00:26:42from home.

00:26:44And the first thought

00:26:45that came to my head

00:26:45was,

00:26:46how the heck

00:26:47did she get

00:26:47all the way out there?

00:26:48Daphne Marcus

00:26:49was a neighbor

00:26:50back then.

00:26:51She could be shy

00:26:52at first

00:26:53and a bit quiet

00:26:54but once you had

00:26:55an opportunity

00:26:55to get to know her

00:26:56and get, you know,

00:26:58in kind of her inner circle,

00:26:59that's when she opened

00:27:01up quite a bit more

00:27:01and she was energetic

00:27:03and happy.

00:27:05Melanie had just started

00:27:06her junior year

00:27:07at Arcadia High School.

00:27:09She wasn't a party animal

00:27:11and distracted

00:27:13by the social scene.

00:27:15She had her close circle

00:27:15of friends

00:27:16and she just

00:27:17took her school seriously.

00:27:19William Herman,

00:27:20a former principal,

00:27:22remember,

00:27:22happened to know

00:27:23one of Melanie's teachers

00:27:25and spoke with him.

00:27:26He said,

00:27:27we're not allowing

00:27:28any media on the campus

00:27:29meet me

00:27:30and he named

00:27:30a sandwich shop

00:27:31by Arcadia High School.

00:27:33So I went out

00:27:34and my friend

00:27:35was in tears.

00:27:36He said,

00:27:37we loved her,

00:27:38we loved her

00:27:38and all the students

00:27:40loved Melanie.

00:27:42What was it

00:27:43about this path

00:27:44and bicycles?

00:27:46That the killer

00:27:47was horribly depraved

00:27:48was just all too

00:27:50depressingly obvious,

00:27:51but was he

00:27:53a serial killer?

00:27:56Plainclothes police officers

00:27:57wandered up and down

00:27:58these paths

00:27:59as decoys

00:28:00for months,

00:28:01but looking for what

00:28:03they didn't exactly know,

00:28:04even as regular folk

00:28:06increasingly stayed away.

00:28:07The man

00:28:08had struck twice.

00:28:10Might he do so again?

00:28:14You just couldn't believe

00:28:16that,

00:28:18that it could happen

00:28:19to another person.

00:28:20It must have seemed

00:28:21like there was a monster

00:28:22out there somewhere.

00:28:23Absolutely.

00:28:25Absolutely.

00:28:27A monster who knew

00:28:29how to use a knife.

00:28:31Well, at least

00:28:32the police knew that.

00:28:33It might be

00:28:34a way to find him.

00:28:52Phoenix wasn't the same

00:28:54after the murders

00:28:55of Angela Brasso

00:28:56and Melanie Bernice.

00:28:58It just changes

00:28:58the way you live.

00:29:00Melanie's friends,

00:29:01Rachel and Daphne.

00:29:02It changed me instantly.

00:29:04I stopped

00:29:05walking the canal.

00:29:06I stopped.

00:29:08I would not exercise alone.

00:29:09I wouldn't pretty much,

00:29:11I wouldn't walk

00:29:11anywhere alone

00:29:12or, you know,

00:29:13do anything.

00:29:14Always looking

00:29:14over your shoulder.

00:29:15I think during that time,

00:29:17you know,

00:29:17for most of us,

00:29:18you know,

00:29:18young women,

00:29:19you were more

00:29:20self-aware of everything,

00:29:22everybody that was around you

00:29:23because you never know

00:29:24what could happen.

00:29:25People very quickly

00:29:27realized

00:29:27that there was

00:29:29someone out there

00:29:30who was now

00:29:31responsible for the death

00:29:32of two women,

00:29:33two women who were

00:29:34on the canal.

00:29:35So now everything

00:29:37starts back up again.

00:29:39If it had died down

00:29:40a little bit

00:29:40from the first incident,

00:29:42it definitely heightened

00:29:44back up right away.

00:29:46Kevin Robinson,

00:29:47Phoenix police spokesperson

00:29:49at the time,

00:29:50said the department

00:29:50had to walk a fine line

00:29:52between warning the public

00:29:53about a potential serial killer

00:29:55while not jeopardizing

00:29:57the investigation.

00:29:58You're going to release

00:29:59a little bit more information

00:30:00than what you normally would

00:30:01so that someone

00:30:03might identify

00:30:05or remember

00:30:05seeing something.

00:30:07The Phoenix police

00:30:08went public

00:30:09with a piece of evidence

00:30:10they hoped might actually

00:30:12produce a breakthrough.

00:30:13The killer

00:30:14had thrown Melanie's clothes

00:30:15in a nearby trash bin

00:30:17but had dressed her

00:30:18in an ill-fitting

00:30:20lycra bodysuit

00:30:21post-mortem.

00:30:22Might anybody

00:30:24recognize it?

00:30:25I think the assumption

00:30:26was that he

00:30:27put that on her

00:30:29after.

00:30:30Whoever killed her

00:30:31must have done that.

00:30:32Mm-hmm.

00:30:33That adds a layer

00:30:34of something, doesn't it?

00:30:35Yeah.

00:30:37So, what do you

00:30:38wonder about?

00:30:39You have to turn

00:30:40your brain off

00:30:40at some point

00:30:41and not keep on thinking,

00:30:43like,

00:30:44what was she thinking?

00:30:45How is she feeling?

00:30:48My prayer is that she

00:30:52blacked out right away

00:30:53and doesn't know

00:30:54that she

00:30:56was mentally,

00:30:58emotionally saved

00:30:59a little bit

00:30:59from all the trauma

00:31:00that he put her through.

00:31:03Whoever killed Melanie

00:31:04began his assault

00:31:05with a single,

00:31:06carefully placed thrust

00:31:07of a very sharp knife,

00:31:10just as he had done

00:31:11to Angela.

00:31:12So police thought

00:31:14maybe the killer

00:31:15had specialized training,

00:31:16maybe military.

00:31:18Remember Angela's

00:31:19professor from DeVry

00:31:20who police had interviewed?

00:31:22Turned out he'd been

00:31:22a major in Army

00:31:23Special Forces.

00:31:25So police kept him

00:31:27on their list

00:31:28and kept looking,

00:31:29literally everywhere.

00:31:31They were looking

00:31:32all over the world

00:31:34for similar crimes.

00:31:35How much concern

00:31:36was there that this

00:31:37guy would strike again?

00:31:39There was plenty

00:31:40of concern.

00:31:41But no evidence

00:31:42to tie any

00:31:43of their persons

00:31:45of interest

00:31:46to the murders.

00:31:48Pressure had to be

00:31:49just enormous.

00:31:51That's in the back

00:31:51of your mind.

00:31:52You know,

00:31:52they've done it twice,

00:31:53at least twice.

00:31:54And are they capable

00:31:56of offending again?

00:31:58The odds will tell you,

00:31:59yes.

00:32:00Experts will tell you

00:32:01that in a lot

00:32:02of these cases,

00:32:03the only thing

00:32:04that stops these folks

00:32:06is either getting arrested

00:32:07and going to prison

00:32:08or they die.

00:32:11They don't just stop

00:32:12cold turkey

00:32:13in most cases.

00:32:14Disturbing.

00:32:15Extremely disturbing.

00:32:17But you have to realize

00:32:18that we have people

00:32:21like that

00:32:21that are out there,

00:32:22people who are capable

00:32:23of acting on

00:32:25those types of instincts.

00:32:26And it was incumbent

00:32:28upon the homicide detectives

00:32:31to identify anybody

00:32:33who could be responsible

00:32:35for these crimes

00:32:36and to get them apprehended

00:32:37and convicted

00:32:39as quickly as possible.

00:32:40And yet,

00:32:43it didn't lead anywhere.

00:32:44I mean,

00:32:45the case went cold.

00:32:47Unfortunately,

00:32:47it did.

00:32:49What more could they do?

00:32:51And years went by.

00:32:54But there were no more

00:32:55similar murders

00:32:56along the canal.

00:32:57And gradually,

00:32:58the assumption hardened

00:32:59that the killer was gone,

00:33:02maybe left town,

00:33:03maybe was dead.

00:33:05That's what the police

00:33:06told the families

00:33:07and friends

00:33:07of Angela and Melanie.

00:33:10I was disappointed

00:33:10that they hadn't found

00:33:11anybody to make them

00:33:12pay for what they did.

00:33:13I thought we would

00:33:14never know

00:33:15who did this.

00:33:16I gave up.

00:33:17I thought,

00:33:18we'll never know.

00:33:20Until this guy

00:33:21came along.

00:33:22I remember reading

00:33:24word for word

00:33:25and I was traumatized

00:33:26by what I read.

00:33:28It was almost as if

00:33:29I was reading about

00:33:31something truly evil.

00:33:33Somewhere in all this,

00:33:35there was an answer.

00:33:37Just had to be.

00:33:39All he had to do

00:33:40was find it.

00:33:42It became kind of

00:33:43an obsession

00:33:44to keep researching

00:33:46what is this.

00:34:04Anniversaries came and went.

00:34:06Anniversaries of the killings

00:34:08by the canal.

00:34:09Those who loved

00:34:10and missed Angela

00:34:11and Melanie

00:34:12were left to wonder

00:34:13if they would ever know

00:34:14who killed them

00:34:15and why.

00:34:17Did it seem like the police

00:34:19were investigating

00:34:20all the while

00:34:21or like they'd maybe

00:34:23given up?

00:34:23I thought they gave up

00:34:24for sure.

00:34:25I think they tried

00:34:25their hardest

00:34:26for so many years

00:34:27and leads were just

00:34:28ending and so

00:34:30they have to move on

00:34:31to the next case.

00:34:33And then reporters

00:34:34looking for stories

00:34:36and anniversary dates

00:34:37would write a story

00:34:39and they tell it

00:34:40over again

00:34:41and the police

00:34:42are glad for that

00:34:42in the hopes

00:34:43of waking it up.

00:34:45But nothing did

00:34:47until 2011

00:34:48when a sergeant

00:34:50named Troy Hillman

00:34:51who headed up

00:34:52the cold case unit

00:34:53opted to take on

00:34:54the ultimate challenge.

00:34:56Almost 20 years

00:34:57after the murders

00:34:58he would try

00:34:59to give the family

00:35:00some answers.

00:35:02We didn't want

00:35:02to give them

00:35:03false hope.

00:35:04We didn't want

00:35:04to say hey

00:35:05we're definitely

00:35:05going to prove this

00:35:06and find our killer

00:35:07but we're going

00:35:09to give it

00:35:10one heck of a shot.

00:35:12William Shira

00:35:13and Dominic

00:35:14Rostenberg

00:35:15had joined

00:35:15the unit too

00:35:16and first things first

00:35:18pulled out

00:35:19the old case file.

00:35:21It was a room

00:35:22full of files.

00:35:22We had

00:35:23probably 800 people

00:35:25that had been interviewed

00:35:26that had been questioned.

00:35:28800 people?

00:35:29At least.

00:35:30Wow.

00:35:31A lot had changed

00:35:32since the early 90s.

00:35:34For one thing

00:35:35DNA.

00:35:36The science

00:35:37had certainly advanced

00:35:38even as the case

00:35:39grew cold.

00:35:40One thing

00:35:41the DNA

00:35:42could confirm

00:35:43was what they

00:35:43had long suspected.

00:35:45The male DNA

00:35:46sample matched

00:35:47both the girls

00:35:48so we knew

00:35:49it was the same person.

00:35:51One man

00:35:52two murders.

00:35:54The killer's

00:35:55DNA profile

00:35:56was uploaded

00:35:57to CODIS

00:35:57the National DNA

00:35:58Database

00:35:59back in 2000

00:36:00but no matches

00:36:02meaning the killer's

00:36:03DNA was not

00:36:04in the system.

00:36:05Of course

00:36:06Phoenix police

00:36:07had received

00:36:07hundreds of tips

00:36:08after the murders

00:36:09and some

00:36:10led them

00:36:10to persons

00:36:11of interest

00:36:11who had provided

00:36:12blood samples

00:36:13but many

00:36:14and there were

00:36:15many

00:36:15had not.

00:36:17Just seeing

00:36:18the amount

00:36:18of people

00:36:20that were contacted

00:36:21along the canal banks

00:36:22and how many

00:36:22dangerous predators

00:36:23it was a lot

00:36:24of people.

00:36:25So

00:36:26where to begin?

00:36:28It happened

00:36:29that Hillman

00:36:29was an accountant

00:36:30first

00:36:31and then a cop

00:36:32so he approached

00:36:33the case

00:36:34like an audit

00:36:35line by line.

00:36:37We cast

00:36:38a wide net

00:36:39to make sure

00:36:40that we

00:36:42get everything

00:36:42because there

00:36:43could be just

00:36:44that morsel

00:36:45in there

00:36:46so getting

00:36:47organized

00:36:47was priority

00:36:48one.

00:36:49First

00:36:50they came up

00:36:51with a long list

00:36:51of people

00:36:52the original

00:36:53detectives

00:36:53had looked into

00:36:54but from whom

00:36:55they had not

00:36:56collected DNA.

00:36:58There were a host

00:36:58of names

00:36:59that we saw

00:37:01and were intrigued

00:37:02by

00:37:02and needed

00:37:03to rule out.

00:37:05And how'd you

00:37:05go about doing that?

00:37:06We put two detectives

00:37:07on a plane

00:37:08to basically

00:37:09get their blood

00:37:10samples

00:37:11so that we could

00:37:11do DNA comparison.

00:37:14Just tracking them

00:37:14all down

00:37:15must have been

00:37:15rather difficult.

00:37:16Yeah, we traveled

00:37:17all over the country.

00:37:19But Hillman decided

00:37:20he needed to go

00:37:21beyond traditional

00:37:22methods

00:37:22so he sought out

00:37:24the Doc Society

00:37:25in Philadelphia.

00:37:27Forensic experts

00:37:28and investigators

00:37:29who volunteer

00:37:31to review

00:37:32difficult cases.

00:37:33They call themselves

00:37:34the modern-day

00:37:35Sherlock Holmes.

00:37:36The Doc Society

00:37:38gave Hillman

00:37:39possible characteristics

00:37:40of the killer,

00:37:42a man still living

00:37:43in the area

00:37:43who had committed

00:37:44earlier crimes,

00:37:46perhaps set fires

00:37:47or acted out fantasies.

00:37:49They agreed

00:37:50with that earlier theory

00:37:51that the killer

00:37:52likely had a military

00:37:53background

00:37:54but added

00:37:55they were looking

00:37:56for a sexual sadist

00:37:57motivated by

00:37:58people's pain.

00:38:00One of the biggest

00:38:01nuggets they taught us

00:38:02was they kept saying

00:38:03in a case like this

00:38:05he's in your files.

00:38:0795% chance

00:38:09he's in your files.

00:38:10So Hillman

00:38:11and the detectives

00:38:12took another look

00:38:13at men who had

00:38:14attracted suspicion

00:38:15early on,

00:38:16including the professor

00:38:18who police heard

00:38:19had a crush on Angela.

00:38:20We had received

00:38:21an anonymous tip

00:38:22that every time

00:38:23somebody mentioned Angela

00:38:24he would go into

00:38:25a hysteria

00:38:26and an emotional rage

00:38:28and he just made

00:38:29some really

00:38:29kind of odd statements

00:38:30that we found

00:38:31and the fact

00:38:32that he was a major

00:38:33in the special forces

00:38:34we said we need

00:38:35to go talk to this guy

00:38:36and we need

00:38:37to get his DNA.

00:38:38Off they went

00:38:39to Maryland

00:38:39to knock on his door

00:38:40and collect his DNA.

00:38:42I think every time

00:38:43that we would get excited

00:38:45we'd get the DNA

00:38:46we'd wait.

00:38:48But once the results

00:38:50came in

00:38:50he was ruled out.

00:38:52It was like

00:38:53a punch in the stomach.

00:38:55You get frustrated

00:38:56and you get upset

00:38:57about it for a minute

00:38:58and then you just

00:38:58kind of get back

00:39:00on the bandwagon.

00:39:01They went back

00:39:02to that theory

00:39:03that the killer

00:39:04might have been

00:39:04trained for combat

00:39:06and tracked down

00:39:07former U.S. Air Force pilots

00:39:09who'd been stationed

00:39:10at nearby Luke Air Force Base

00:39:12back in the early 90s.

00:39:14It's not too far

00:39:15from the crime scenes

00:39:16so we thought

00:39:17maybe he's hiding

00:39:18in plain sight.

00:39:19These are people

00:39:19who would be based there

00:39:20for a little while

00:39:21and they might be

00:39:21based somewhere else.

00:39:22They could be scattered

00:39:23all around the world

00:39:24really.

00:39:25Absolutely.

00:39:27Detectives even

00:39:28contacted authorities

00:39:29in Europe

00:39:30when they heard

00:39:31of a similar crime

00:39:32there.

00:39:33Two young women

00:39:34that were killed

00:39:34in the early 90s

00:39:35in a similar fashion.

00:39:38One was in Amsterdam

00:39:39and one was in Germany.

00:39:40But

00:39:42no connection.

00:39:44My wife can attest

00:39:45that I truthfully

00:39:46became obsessed

00:39:47by this case.

00:39:48I desperately

00:39:49wanted to figure

00:39:51this out.

00:39:52And maybe

00:39:53that's why Hillman

00:39:54agreed to meet

00:39:56with a woman

00:39:57from California

00:39:58who had been

00:39:59pitching an idea

00:40:01that sounded crazy.

00:40:03It's new technology.

00:40:04It's unproven.

00:40:05There's a little bit

00:40:06of fear behind it.

00:40:07Fear, resistance,

00:40:09a big gamble

00:40:11and a world-changing result.

00:40:31Sergeant Troy Hillman

00:40:32and his cold case detectives

00:40:34have been dealing

00:40:34with the ups and downs

00:40:35of their investigation

00:40:36into the Arizona Canal murders

00:40:38for three long,

00:40:40frustrating years.

00:40:42I always describe it

00:40:43as a rollercoaster ride.

00:40:46Their most promising leads

00:40:47had been ruled out

00:40:48by DNA

00:40:49and they were no closer

00:40:50to an arrest

00:40:51than they were

00:40:52when the murders

00:40:52happened more than

00:40:5320 years ago.

00:40:55And that's when

00:40:56one of his detectives

00:40:57left him a voicemail.

00:40:59And she said,

00:41:00hey boss,

00:41:00she's like,

00:41:01I got this

00:41:02strange phone call

00:41:03from a woman

00:41:04that says she's

00:41:05a forensic genealogy.

00:41:07Would you take a listen?

00:41:07Well, why not?

00:41:09They tried everything else.

00:41:12Which is how Troy Hillman

00:41:14found himself on the phone

00:41:15with this woman,

00:41:17Colleen Fitzpatrick,

00:41:19Dr. Colleen Fitzpatrick.

00:41:22She is a forensic genealogist,

00:41:25which means,

00:41:26she told the detective,

00:41:28that she uses

00:41:28a person's DNA profile,

00:41:30that unique sequence

00:41:31we all have,

00:41:32to figure out

00:41:33not exactly who they are,

00:41:35but who they're related to,

00:41:38a similar process

00:41:39people use

00:41:39to find distant relatives

00:41:40on Ancestry DNA

00:41:42or 23andMe.

00:41:44And it became,

00:41:45you know,

00:41:45very common

00:41:46for an adoptee

00:41:47to test with

00:41:48one of those companies

00:41:49and find their birth parents.

00:41:51Dr. Fitzpatrick said

00:41:53she'd figured out

00:41:54a way to reverse

00:41:54the process

00:41:55and use genealogy databases

00:41:57to work her way

00:41:59toward the owner

00:42:00of that unknown male DNA,

00:42:02or Y-DNA.

00:42:05Police had collected

00:42:06from the crime scenes.

00:42:07I could get DNA

00:42:09from cold cases,

00:42:10Y-DNA,

00:42:11and compare them

00:42:11to the genetic genealogy,

00:42:13Y-DNA databases,

00:42:14and maybe come up

00:42:16with a last name

00:42:16for killers.

00:42:17It's not that you can say

00:42:18it was individual A

00:42:21or individual B,

00:42:22but that it was this family,

00:42:24which includes A, B, C, and D,

00:42:26and so look into those guys

00:42:28and you might find you killing.

00:42:29No, it was even,

00:42:29no, it was even simpler than that.

00:42:31I supplied a name,

00:42:32the last name

00:42:33for their killer.

00:42:34Remember,

00:42:35this was back in 2014.

00:42:36It was four years

00:42:38before the arrest

00:42:39of the Golden State Killer.

00:42:40The mystery surrounding

00:42:42an infamous killing spree

00:42:43that confounded investigators

00:42:45for decades.

00:42:45That case,

00:42:46widely celebrated

00:42:47for using

00:42:48a very similar technique.

00:42:50But no one knew

00:42:52about that

00:42:52when Dr. Fitzpatrick

00:42:53traveled to Phoenix

00:42:54and told the detectives

00:42:55what she thought

00:42:56she could do.

00:42:57It was quiet in the room

00:42:59amongst the team members

00:43:00and we were trying

00:43:01to absorb

00:43:02what she was talking about.

00:43:04Of course,

00:43:05they were eager

00:43:05to try anything,

00:43:06but this was brand new.

00:43:08Nothing police

00:43:09had ever used before

00:43:10and did have to share

00:43:12the killer's DNA profile

00:43:13with someone

00:43:14outside the investigation,

00:43:16Dr. Fitzpatrick.

00:43:17Plus, it wasn't cheap,

00:43:19which became

00:43:20the next challenge.

00:43:21It was about three months

00:43:22on trying to push

00:43:24the upper chain of command

00:43:26to approve this

00:43:27because they thought

00:43:29they had fears of it

00:43:31endangering our investigation.

00:43:32My team and I tried to say,

00:43:34there's no downside risk.

00:43:35We spend more money

00:43:37traveling across the country

00:43:38looking for DNA

00:43:39than we do on this.

00:43:40So this is worth a shot.

00:43:43I think at one point

00:43:43we almost took up a collection

00:43:44and just kind of went rogue

00:43:46and did it by ourselves.

00:43:48Is that how it eventually

00:43:48got paid for?

00:43:49No, eventually

00:43:51a chief decided to sign it.

00:43:53What'd she do?

00:43:54How did you work with her?

00:43:55We didn't provide her

00:43:56really any details

00:43:57about the investigation

00:43:58other than

00:44:00we provided her

00:44:01with some type of

00:44:02DNA sequence.

00:44:04Dr. Fitzpatrick went to work.

00:44:07Weeks went by.

00:44:09Nobody heard a word.

00:44:11So, was it a waste of money?

00:44:13Another dead end?

00:44:15No, it was not.

00:44:18She had a result.

00:44:21I came up with the name Miller,

00:44:22turned it in to the police.

00:44:24I remember getting the call

00:44:25and I was with extended family

00:44:27and she said,

00:44:28hey Troy,

00:44:29I think his surname is Miller.

00:44:31Did that make any sense to you

00:44:32that somebody would come up

00:44:33with a name?

00:44:34At this point in the investigation,

00:44:36it made enough sense

00:44:37for me to want to rush out

00:44:40and go check our files.

00:44:42So, one of his detectives

00:44:44went to the basement

00:44:45and pulled files

00:44:46with the last name Miller.

00:44:49And he threw them on my desk,

00:44:51I shut the door,

00:44:52I started looking through

00:44:53the Millers

00:44:54and when I got to a certain file,

00:44:56I was interested

00:44:59and it sent chills up my spine.

00:45:05The name on the file?

00:45:07Brian Patrick Miller.

00:45:10It was about half an inch thick file

00:45:13and on the top of it,

00:45:14it said anonymous tip.

00:45:17It was an old tip,

00:45:19decades old.

00:45:21It had to do with the turquoise bodysuit

00:45:24Melanie Burness was wearing

00:45:26when she was found.

00:45:27An anonymous person called in

00:45:29and said a roommate of Brian's

00:45:31had seen that same bodysuit

00:45:34that was found on Melanie.

00:45:36That tip was looked at

00:45:38and based on Brian's age

00:45:40and the circumstances

00:45:42that they felt at the time,

00:45:45he was too young

00:45:47to have been the one

00:45:47that had done this.

00:45:49And there was more.

00:45:51Back in 1990,

00:45:52a few years before

00:45:53Angela and Melanie were killed,

00:45:56Miller's mother told the police

00:45:57she was afraid of her teenage son.

00:46:00She gave them something he had written,

00:46:02something ghoulish, awful.

00:46:06He had called it

00:46:07The Plan.

00:46:11And there it was,

00:46:13still in the old file.

00:46:15It described step by step

00:46:19what the author intended to do

00:46:21to this woman.

00:46:23It was eerily similar

00:46:24to what happened

00:46:25to our victims.

00:46:27It was in the file?

00:46:29It was in the file.

00:46:31And had been on all along.

00:46:32Wow.

00:46:33It had been all along, yes.

00:46:35Did it make you wonder

00:46:35why that was not acted on earlier?

00:46:38To a degree, yes.

00:46:41What Miller wrote in

00:46:42The Plan

00:46:43was certainly disturbing.

00:46:45It didn't prove anything,

00:46:47mind you.

00:46:48Certainly not that

00:46:49he'd committed actual murders,

00:46:51but

00:46:52there was another name

00:46:53in the Miller file, too.

00:46:55And another

00:46:56hair-raising story.

00:46:58I wouldn't doubt

00:46:59that's what he was trying to do.

00:47:01Or at least getting there.

00:47:18It was the spring of 1989.

00:47:21Angela Brasso was graduating

00:47:23from high school.

00:47:24Melanie Bernis was a carefree kid

00:47:26in middle school.

00:47:28It was three years before

00:47:30the terrors on the canal.

00:47:31I felt very safe.

00:47:33I, you know,

00:47:34I rode the bus all the time.

00:47:36Celeste Bentley

00:47:37was 24 years old then.

00:47:39Had lived in Phoenix

00:47:40all her life.

00:47:41And to her,

00:47:42it was easy routine

00:47:44to ride the bus

00:47:45to five miles from home

00:47:47to her job

00:47:48at a store

00:47:48near the Paradise Valley Mall.

00:47:51The drive to Paradise Valley

00:47:53was very short.

00:47:54It was a straight shot

00:47:55to the mall.

00:47:56That morning,

00:47:57the morning of May 17, 1989,

00:48:00she wore her favorite

00:48:01lime green shirt

00:48:02with white pants.

00:48:05She noticed

00:48:06as she got on the bus

00:48:07a young man sitting near her.

00:48:10Kind of a bookworm-looking kid.

00:48:12And I just acknowledged him.

00:48:13I kind of realized

00:48:14there was someone there,

00:48:15you know.

00:48:16And then she sat back

00:48:17and thought about nothing

00:48:18in particular

00:48:19as the bus rumbled along.

00:48:22And they dropped us off

00:48:23in the front of the mall.

00:48:25It was when she was walking

00:48:27across the parking lot

00:48:28that she sensed it.

00:48:30Someone behind her.

00:48:31I had gotten about

00:48:32halfway across

00:48:33and I had realized

00:48:34that he was walking behind me.

00:48:36And I had just glanced

00:48:37over my shoulder

00:48:38and I saw that, you know,

00:48:40he was still walking behind me,

00:48:41but it was a ways back.

00:48:42That nerdy kid

00:48:43must have gotten

00:48:44off the bus too,

00:48:45she figured.

00:48:46Then I was walking

00:48:47and all of a sudden

00:48:48I just felt something

00:48:49hit me in the back

00:48:50and he ran by me.

00:48:51He ran fast right by me.

00:48:52I kind of turned

00:48:53and yelled at him

00:48:54and grabbed my back

00:48:55and I was like,

00:48:55what the heck?

00:48:56Did you do that?

00:48:56You know,

00:48:57what the heck

00:48:57did you hit me for?

00:48:58And he just kept running.

00:49:00And then I pulled my hand

00:49:01in front of me

00:49:02and realized

00:49:03that there was blood

00:49:04on my hand.

00:49:05And so I started panicking.

00:49:07It felt like you'd been hit.

00:49:08Yeah, it felt like

00:49:09I'd been punched in the back.

00:49:10What was that like?

00:49:11Was it confusion?

00:49:12Was it terror?

00:49:13Was it what?

00:49:14I was very afraid.

00:49:15I couldn't believe it.

00:49:16Why would he punch me

00:49:17in the back?

00:49:18And then when I saw the blood,

00:49:19I couldn't believe it

00:49:20and knew that he had stabbed me

00:49:21or something

00:49:22and I started running

00:49:23to my work

00:49:24and I had to go

00:49:25through that parking lot

00:49:26and I got to my work

00:49:28and started ringing

00:49:29the buzzer to get in.

00:49:30You're bleeding all the way?

00:49:31Yeah, yeah.

00:49:32The manager came

00:49:33and opened the door

00:49:34and let me in

00:49:34and I was like screaming,

00:49:35oh my God,

00:49:36I've been stabbed,

00:49:37I've been stabbed.

00:49:38And everybody was kind of like

00:49:39all in a panic

00:49:40and they were calling 911

00:49:43and took me back

00:49:44to the break room

00:49:45and we were waiting

00:49:46and we were waiting

00:49:46for the police

00:49:47and fire to come.

00:49:49Once inside the ambulance,

00:49:51she began to learn more

00:49:52about her injury.

00:49:53It was about an inch

00:49:55and a half long

00:49:56and then they said

00:49:57it had gone in,

00:49:58I believe it was like

00:49:59an inch and a half

00:49:59to two inches in.

00:50:01Whoa.

00:50:01Yeah.

00:50:02She gave the police

00:50:03a description of the person

00:50:05who had attacked her

00:50:05and it didn't take long.

00:50:08They tracked him down

00:50:09at a nearby apartment complex

00:50:11and then they brought him

00:50:13to the ambulance.

00:50:14Is this him?

00:50:16They asked.

00:50:17They had the doors open,

00:50:18they had him standing

00:50:18right at the doors.

00:50:20What feeling went with that?

00:50:21I just was in shock

00:50:23and couldn't believe

00:50:24that this person

00:50:26had stabbed me and...

00:50:27Did he look sorry?

00:50:29No, he looked blank.

00:50:30He looked very blank

00:50:32and very just strange,

00:50:36like not even caring.

00:50:38That's weird.

00:50:40Yeah, it was...

00:50:40It was weird.

00:50:42It was the kid from the bus,

00:50:4416 years old.

00:50:46He had used a steak knife

00:50:48to stab her in the back.

00:50:50The doctors at the hospital

00:50:51had said that

00:50:52had he held the blade flat,

00:50:54horizontal instead of vertical,

00:50:56it would have gone straight through

00:50:58and punctured organs.

00:51:00Yeah.

00:51:00But he had held it vertical

00:51:01and it hit my ribs

00:51:03and slid around inside

00:51:04instead of going through the ribs.

00:51:07Whoa.

00:51:07The small things

00:51:08that make a big difference.

00:51:10Yeah.

00:51:10I mean,

00:51:11it could have killed you.

00:51:13Definitely.

00:51:13Yes.

00:51:15And the name of this person

00:51:17who'd almost killed her?

00:51:19Brian Patrick Miller.

00:51:23More than two decades later,

00:51:25Sergeant Troy Hillman

00:51:26read the police report

00:51:27about Celeste's attack.

00:51:28The original investigator

00:51:30had written,

00:51:31I asked Brian if he did it

00:51:33to see what it felt like.

00:51:36Brian said,

00:51:37yes, I guess that's why I did it.

00:51:40One of the officers asked him,

00:51:41hey, Brian,

00:51:42what did this make you feel?

00:51:43And he said it sent chills up his spine.

00:51:45Oh, my.

00:51:46At that point,

00:51:47I was even more hook, line, and sinker.

00:51:49This is our guy.

00:51:50This guy's looking good.

00:51:53Brian.

00:51:57Miller eventually pleaded guilty

00:51:59to attempted murder,

00:52:00but as a juvenile,

00:52:02he served only a year in detention.

00:52:04Get you with your grandpa.

00:52:05He was released in 1990

00:52:07when he was 17.

00:52:09Hello, camera.

00:52:10For a while,

00:52:11it seemed he had turned

00:52:12his life around.

00:52:14He's real shy.

00:52:15He worked for a religious

00:52:17charitable organization,

00:52:19and here he is

00:52:20in a home movie

00:52:20with family in 1992.

00:52:23This was just months before

00:52:24the first murder at the canal.

00:52:26So anyway.

00:52:27Wow, you're on camera.

00:52:28Yeah.

00:52:29So Brian is going to

00:52:29stand there and giggle.

00:52:30By 1999,

00:52:31he got married,

00:52:32had a daughter,

00:52:34and moved away,

00:52:35he and his young family,

00:52:36to the Seattle area,

00:52:38where Miller got in trouble.

00:52:40again.

00:52:41He was arrested in May 2002

00:52:43for stabbing a woman.

00:52:45He claimed it was self-defense,

00:52:47and was found not guilty

00:52:49by a jury.

00:52:51So late 2014,

00:52:53was he easy to find?

00:52:55Was he around?

00:52:55Yeah, he was definitely

00:52:56not hiding.

00:52:57Miller and his wife

00:52:59eventually moved back

00:53:00to Arizona.

00:53:01They divorced,

00:53:02but their daughter

00:53:02lived with her dad,

00:53:04with Brian,

00:53:05in this simple home.

00:53:07Now he was the focus

00:53:08of the cold case unit.

00:53:10It was like a beehive

00:53:11of activity,

00:53:12where everybody

00:53:13was researching

00:53:14Brian Patrick Miller,

00:53:16and we began to really

00:53:18unlock Brian Miller.

00:53:20When he started

00:53:21in the Arcadia area...

00:53:22He seemed to be living

00:53:23a normal life,

00:53:25worked at an Amazon warehouse.

00:53:29But at night?

00:53:31At night,

00:53:33he was something else entirely.

00:53:51These bike trails go all the way down

00:53:53to the canals,

00:53:54about a mile and a half...

00:53:54Cold case detectives

00:53:55investigating the death

00:53:56of two young women

00:53:58along the canal

00:53:59were looking into one

00:54:00Brian Patrick Miller,

00:54:01whose life appeared

00:54:04unremarkable.

00:54:05Single dad,

00:54:07living in a central

00:54:07Phoenix neighborhood.

00:54:09He worked at an

00:54:10Amazon distribution warehouse.

00:54:12A typical guy,

00:54:14with a typical life.

00:54:16That is,

00:54:17until you saw

00:54:18what he drove to work.

00:54:21The zombie hunter car.

00:54:22The zombie hunter car,

00:54:23yeah,

00:54:23with the dummy in the back.

00:54:25Dummy in the back?

00:54:26Dummy in the back.

00:54:27You take a left turn

00:54:28and it slides to the right.

00:54:30You take a right turn

00:54:31and it slides back

00:54:32behind him.

00:54:33That dummy was actually

00:54:34a life-size

00:54:36zombie doll.

00:54:37The car was part

00:54:39of a fantasy persona

00:54:40Miller took on

00:54:41called

00:54:42the zombie hunter.

00:54:44He and his friend

00:54:45Kino Zaria

00:54:46would cruise around

00:54:47in the decked-out car

00:54:48with props,

00:54:49including the dummy

00:54:50in the back seat.

00:54:52It was his daily driver,

00:54:53was it?

00:54:54It was.

00:54:54He had everything there.

00:54:55Bars, handcuffs.

00:54:57My, my, my.

00:54:58Huh.

00:54:59It was a real police car

00:55:01that Miller modified.

00:55:03Instead of red

00:55:03and blue LED lights,

00:55:06the zombie hunter mobile

00:55:07flashed green.

00:55:09Faked blood

00:55:10splashed the doors.

00:55:12Letters on the trunk

00:55:13read zombie hunter.

00:55:15What was it all about?

00:55:17Well, that would go back

00:55:19more than a decade

00:55:20to a meeting of

00:55:21the Arizona Steampunk Society,

00:55:25similar to this gathering

00:55:26in the UK.

00:55:28It's where Keane

00:55:30and Miller met.

00:55:32Steampunk is a science fiction

00:55:34subculture that

00:55:34shares a love for costumes

00:55:36and homemade gadgets

00:55:38inspired by a fusion

00:55:39of 19th century Victorian period

00:55:42and futuristic technology.

00:55:44Who is an Arizona zombie hunter?

00:55:47Arizona Society members

00:55:49dressed up

00:55:50and sometimes showed off

00:55:51their creations

00:55:52in steampunk fashion shows

00:55:54like this one.

00:55:55Thank you for keeping us safe.

00:55:56Right.

00:55:57Here is Miller

00:55:58on the catwalk.

00:56:00What fire is a steampunk gun?

00:56:02Steam?

00:56:02Gunpowder?

00:56:03That's, I'm not sure.

00:56:04I think it's a funny

00:56:07yet kind of ironic subculture

00:56:10celebrating one of the most

00:56:11innovative times in the world.

00:56:14Yeah.

00:56:15You know, just, it's all aesthetics.

00:56:16It's fun

00:56:16and you meet some good people in it.

00:56:19People like Mike Seifert

00:56:21who told us steampunk appealed

00:56:23to his creative side.

00:56:25This is polystyreme.

00:56:27He hosted costume

00:56:28and gadget workshops

00:56:29in his dining room.

00:56:30I bring all the stuff

00:56:32and teach you how to paint a gun

00:56:34or make a pair of goggles

00:56:36or, you know,

00:56:37whatever it is

00:56:37for your costume.

00:56:39Miller and his daughter

00:56:40were frequent visitors.

00:56:42The first time I ever saw him,

00:56:44he was with his daughter.

00:56:45I think she was about 10 at the time.

00:56:48Mike said Miller

00:56:49developed his character gradually.

00:56:52How did he develop

00:56:53this zombie hunter persona?

00:56:56It started with the gun.

00:56:58It was a bit of fakery

00:57:00that Mike made

00:57:01and that became

00:57:02the centerpiece

00:57:03of Miller's costume.

00:57:05How'd you make it?

00:57:06What are the components made of?

00:57:08Cardboard and wood.

00:57:09You're a creative guy.

00:57:10So, he got this gun

00:57:13and he's like,

00:57:13well, I've got this gun now.

00:57:15I need to build something

00:57:16around this.

00:57:17So I helped him

00:57:17with some ideas

00:57:18and then he found

00:57:19this trench coat

00:57:20at thrift store

00:57:21and he found this mask

00:57:22that he,

00:57:23I think it was one of those

00:57:24paintball masks.

00:57:25Okay.

00:57:26And then like a hard hat

00:57:28that he glued the mask

00:57:30into the hard hat.

00:57:33The transformation

00:57:34from warehouse worker

00:57:35to midnight cruiser

00:57:37was complete.

00:57:38But the car stole the limelight

00:57:40at events like

00:57:42the Phoenix Comic Con

00:57:43and annual zombie walk

00:57:47and so on.

00:57:49Miller even posed

00:57:51with Phoenix police officers.

00:57:53You know, it's like,

00:57:54oh, that thing's really cool.

00:57:55You know, this car is like,

00:57:56it actually looked like

00:57:57he ran down some zombies.

00:57:58Really awesome.

00:57:59How did he react

00:58:00to this attention?

00:58:02He loved it.

00:58:03But he was under a mask.

00:58:05He is a shy individual

00:58:06until he was able

00:58:08to put that mask on

00:58:11and then he could be

00:58:12a little bit more

00:58:13out in the open.

00:58:15Friends Keen and Mike

00:58:16could not help but notice

00:58:18that the zombie hunter

00:58:19and Brian Miller

00:58:21seemed like

00:58:22two different people.

00:58:23Very shy.

00:58:25You know,

00:58:26wasn't the guy

00:58:26who would, uh,

00:58:28make it easy

00:58:29to approach.

00:58:30A seemingly shy,

00:58:32single dad,

00:58:33a warehouse worker,

00:58:35and the zombie hunter?

00:58:37Sergeant Hillman,

00:58:38when he picked up

00:58:39the Miller file,

00:58:40had never heard

00:58:41of steampunk.

00:58:42What did you find out

00:58:43about the zombie hunter

00:58:45business?

00:58:46So that really caught

00:58:47our attention,

00:58:48the fact that Brian

00:58:49lived in this fantasy world.

00:58:51Did you get the impression

00:58:52that somehow

00:58:52his behaviors

00:58:54were

00:58:57at least existing

00:58:58side by side

00:59:00with other

00:59:00darker fantasies

00:59:01he may have had

00:59:02and maybe

00:59:03part of that fantasy?

00:59:05Absolutely.

00:59:05I think he was,

00:59:06uh,

00:59:07enjoying it.

00:59:09Hillman added

00:59:09this zombie hunter

00:59:11business

00:59:11to a growing list

00:59:12of curious things

00:59:13connected to Brian Miller.

00:59:15But was it enough?

00:59:17No.

00:59:18They needed concrete proof

00:59:20like DNA.

00:59:22But how to get it?

00:59:24And then detectives decided

00:59:26to put on

00:59:27a little play

00:59:29of their own.

00:59:31Would Miller

00:59:32take the bait?

00:59:50The Phoenix Police Department

00:59:52cold case unit

00:59:53tried to rein in

00:59:54their excitement.

00:59:55It was early

00:59:55in January 2015

00:59:57and after more than

00:59:58three years

00:59:59crisscrossing the U.S.

01:00:00for a killer

01:00:01they'd found

01:00:02a convincing lead

01:00:04in a most unlikely place.

01:00:06I didn't know

01:00:07anything about

01:00:08these genres

01:00:08of zombie hunters.

01:00:10Brian Miller

01:00:11had been putting

01:00:11on a show

01:00:12as Phoenix's

01:00:13very own

01:00:13zombie hunter

01:00:14for years.

01:00:16Reporter William Herman

01:00:17was one of many

01:00:18spectators.

01:00:19I'd seen him

01:00:20for years

01:00:21driving around town.

01:00:22There was more

01:00:23to Brian Patrick Miller

01:00:24than met the eye.

01:00:26Who was it

01:00:27really

01:00:27behind that mask?

01:00:29Could he be

01:00:30the brutal killer

01:00:31who'd slaughtered

01:00:32Angela Brasso

01:00:33and Melanie Bernis

01:00:34all those years ago?

01:00:36The detectives

01:00:37needed his DNA

01:00:38and so the zombie hunter

01:00:40became the hunted.

01:00:42Obviously we'd follow him

01:00:43from his home

01:00:44to work

01:00:45and then he'd be

01:00:46at work for several hours

01:00:47and we would sit there

01:00:49and watch

01:00:49and see if maybe

01:00:50he would come out

01:00:51on a break

01:00:51or lunch break

01:00:52and you know

01:00:53have a big gulp

01:00:54or something

01:00:54and throw it out

01:00:55the window

01:00:55to where

01:00:56we would be able

01:00:57to collect that

01:00:58and get some DNA

01:00:58but he never did.

01:01:00He just continued

01:01:01to sit in his car

01:01:02and would go back

01:01:03after break

01:01:04and then come back.

01:01:05No big gulps

01:01:07and apparently Miller

01:01:08didn't smoke.

01:01:10In fact

01:01:11though they trailed him

01:01:12everywhere

01:01:13eyes always on him

01:01:14he never did

01:01:16discard anything

01:01:17on which he may

01:01:18have left his DNA.

01:01:20Almost to an unusual

01:01:21degree

01:01:22that he was

01:01:23avoiding the kind

01:01:24of behavior

01:01:25that you could

01:01:25make use of.

01:01:26Yeah he was just

01:01:27very very careful

01:01:28individual.

01:01:29So what to do?

01:01:31I got the call

01:01:32from one of my

01:01:33detectives

01:01:33and he was

01:01:35frustrated

01:01:35and he said

01:01:36hey here's my plan

01:01:37what do you think

01:01:38and I said

01:01:40green light

01:01:41I like it.

01:01:42The plan?

01:01:43If Miller

01:01:44could play a role

01:01:46so could they.

01:01:47The detective

01:01:49called me

01:01:50and said

01:01:50hey what about

01:01:51I introduce myself

01:01:52to Brian

01:01:53obviously he sits

01:01:54in the parking lot

01:01:55a lot

01:01:55what we know

01:01:56about him

01:01:57is he kind of

01:01:57is interested

01:01:58in security

01:01:58why don't I

01:01:59pretend like

01:02:00I'm a building

01:02:02manager

01:02:02and there's a lot

01:02:03of theft

01:02:03in that parking lot

01:02:04and I'm going to

01:02:05hire him

01:02:05to basically

01:02:06watch for me.

01:02:08Miller took the bait

01:02:10so the detective

01:02:11set up a job interview

01:02:12and very intentionally

01:02:14chose a restaurant.

01:02:16The management

01:02:18of this chili's

01:02:19agreed to cooperate.

01:02:20The idea was

01:02:21the detective

01:02:22would buy Miller's

01:02:23lunch

01:02:24hoping he just

01:02:26might leave his

01:02:26DNA on a dish

01:02:28or on a glass

01:02:29or a straw.

01:02:32Is this the chili's?

01:02:33So this is the chili's.

01:02:34This is where we entered.

01:02:36By then

01:02:37the cold case unit

01:02:38had prepared the place

01:02:39ahead of time

01:02:39and very carefully.

01:02:41I know we had briefly

01:02:42discussed me dressing up

01:02:44as a waiter

01:02:44but then we decided

01:02:45you know

01:02:45knowing how clumsy

01:02:46I was

01:02:47that I'd probably drop

01:02:47their drinks

01:02:48and their soup.

01:02:49Instead

01:02:50before Miller arrived

01:02:52Detective Rostenberg

01:02:53carefully cleaned

01:02:54anything

01:02:55Miller might touch.

01:02:57I sterilized

01:02:58you know

01:02:59the plates

01:02:59the cups

01:03:00the silverware

01:03:02that they would be

01:03:02using at the table.

01:03:04I actually ran them

01:03:05through

01:03:05the dishwasher myself.

01:03:07That's being careful.

01:03:08We felt we only

01:03:09had one chance

01:03:10to get it right

01:03:10and we just didn't

01:03:11want anything

01:03:12to go wrong.

01:03:13They took their places

01:03:14and waited.

01:03:16I think all of our

01:03:17hearts were racing.

01:03:19He arrived in his

01:03:20zombie hunter car.

01:03:23Surprise!

01:03:25He wasn't alone.

01:03:27We were

01:03:28taken aback though

01:03:30that he brought

01:03:30his 15 year old daughter

01:03:31with him to the interview.

01:03:33My goodness

01:03:33his daughter's there.

01:03:34Did you think

01:03:35this is going to

01:03:36mess up the whole

01:03:37idea?

01:03:38We thought

01:03:39hey

01:03:39is he on to us?

01:03:41The try to act

01:03:42natural lunch

01:03:43and the fake job

01:03:44interview lasted

01:03:45no more than an hour.

01:03:47Miller ate a sandwich

01:03:48but barely sipped

01:03:49his drink

01:03:49and then he and

01:03:50his daughter

01:03:51left the restaurant.

01:03:52I think he only

01:03:53drank a couple times

01:03:54and so he wondered

01:03:55hey is there going

01:03:55to be DNA on there?

01:03:57How'd you get the water

01:03:57out without destroying

01:03:58the evidence?

01:04:00Well

01:04:00I wish I had

01:04:01some fancy way.

01:04:04I probably should

01:04:04have drilled the water

01:04:05out and I just

01:04:06dumped the water

01:04:06out of the side

01:04:07that I believed

01:04:08he had his mouth

01:04:09probably hadn't touched.

01:04:10I mean it's quite

01:04:11possible you just

01:04:12messed up.

01:04:13Absolutely.

01:04:14Detective Rostenberg

01:04:16sent the mug

01:04:16Miller drank from

01:04:18to the lab

01:04:18and they all

01:04:19waited

01:04:20and waited.

01:04:22Almost two weeks

01:04:23passed

01:04:24and then one day

01:04:25the unit

01:04:25happened to be

01:04:26gathering for one

01:04:27of its regular

01:04:28meetings.

01:04:29We were all

01:04:29kind of going over

01:04:30some boring

01:04:31administrative stuff

01:04:32and the door

01:04:33burst open

01:04:34and it's Kelly

01:04:35and her whole team

01:04:36of DNA analysts.

01:04:38Unheard of

01:04:39why not just

01:04:40phone?

01:04:41Well this news

01:04:42needed to be delivered

01:04:43in person

01:04:44by the full squad

01:04:45with the boss

01:04:46Kelly Merwin

01:04:47leading the way.

01:04:49The fact that

01:04:50a whole team

01:04:51of scientists

01:04:51would come over

01:04:52and abruptly

01:04:54open the door

01:04:55we just

01:04:56again were in shock.

01:04:58The first thing

01:04:58Kelly said is

01:04:59you did it

01:05:00he's your guy.

01:05:02You could hear

01:05:02a pin drop

01:05:03in the room.

01:05:04I was in shock

01:05:04after all these years.

01:05:07It was very emotional.

01:05:09I still to this day

01:05:10we had poured

01:05:11our heart and soul

01:05:12into three and a half

01:05:13years chasing

01:05:14hunting down

01:05:15this guy

01:05:16and to hear that

01:05:17and for the families

01:05:18just to hear

01:05:19that we got him

01:05:20and we can give

01:05:21that to the families.

01:05:23Detective Shira

01:05:24who rode a bike

01:05:25along the canal

01:05:26in 1992

01:05:27to assist in the

01:05:28investigation

01:05:28had just left

01:05:30work when he found

01:05:31out

01:05:31and he needed

01:05:32convincing.

01:05:34One of the other

01:05:35detectives on the squad

01:05:36called me on the phone

01:05:37and told me

01:05:38as I'm driving home

01:05:38I'm like

01:05:39I don't feel like

01:05:40playing games today

01:05:41I'm not in a good mood

01:05:42so

01:05:43But he turned his car

01:05:44around and returned

01:05:45to the station.

01:05:47It's a 20 mile ride

01:05:48by the time I got there

01:05:50I was still going

01:05:50this isn't true.

01:05:52But it certainly was.

01:05:54Sergeant Hillman

01:05:55called forensic

01:05:56genealogist

01:05:56Colleen Fitzpatrick

01:05:58with the good news.

01:05:59And I went

01:06:00oh my god

01:06:01they got him!

01:06:03I didn't expect

01:06:04the call

01:06:04I didn't expect

01:06:05you know

01:06:05I hoped it would work

01:06:06but

01:06:07you know

01:06:08oh my god

01:06:09it worked!

01:06:10This was a DNA

01:06:12breakthrough

01:06:12that would eventually

01:06:13change the way

01:06:14cold cases were solved.

01:06:17Hours later

01:06:18a SWAT team

01:06:19arrested

01:06:19Brian Patrick Miller

01:06:21at work

01:06:21and delivered him

01:06:22to an interview room

01:06:23where Detective Shira

01:06:25was ready.

01:06:27And what happened next?

01:06:29Well that

01:06:30was a surprise.

01:06:33Complete

01:06:34complete bull****

01:06:35I can't even

01:06:37understand

01:06:37the state of blood.

01:06:52It was as brutal

01:06:53as it was perplexing.

01:06:55Two young women

01:06:5622 year old

01:06:57Angela Brasso

01:06:58and 17 year old

01:06:59Melanie Burness

01:07:00found dead

01:07:00their bodies mutilated.

01:07:03Finally

01:07:04after more than

01:07:0620 years

01:07:06and arrest

01:07:08Angela's friend

01:07:09Jill Kelly

01:07:10got the news

01:07:10from her niece

01:07:12who

01:07:12pure chance

01:07:14worked in the same

01:07:15warehouse

01:07:16as Brian Miller.

01:07:17She just happened

01:07:17to tell me

01:07:18oh my god

01:07:19this

01:07:19this guy

01:07:20where I work

01:07:21was just arrested

01:07:22for murder.

01:07:22when you

01:07:23when you thought

01:07:24about that

01:07:24the first time

01:07:25that hit you

01:07:25that she has been

01:07:26in close proximity

01:07:28to the very person

01:07:29you've been afraid of

01:07:30for years and years.

01:07:31It was

01:07:33terrifying

01:07:33to think of that.

01:07:36And now

01:07:37Celeste Bentley

01:07:38understood

01:07:38what could have

01:07:39happened to her.

01:07:40I couldn't believe it

01:07:42I was in shock

01:07:43just to put that

01:07:44together

01:07:44that he was the person

01:07:45that had stabbed me

01:07:46all those years ago

01:07:48and now

01:07:49he's the person

01:07:49they're looking at

01:07:50for killing these women

01:07:51was

01:07:52so horribly

01:07:53yeah

01:07:54I mean

01:07:54he was practicing

01:07:55on you apparently

01:07:56I would believe that

01:07:58yeah

01:07:58and Brian's friends

01:08:00yeah

01:08:01and it was

01:08:02it was a gut punch

01:08:03to say the least

01:08:04you know

01:08:05I was just like

01:08:06how

01:08:06what

01:08:07they can't have

01:08:08the right guy

01:08:08like

01:08:09are you sure

01:08:11Sergeant Hillman

01:08:12and his cold case unit

01:08:13were sure

01:08:14once Miller

01:08:15was in custody

01:08:16Detective Rostenberg

01:08:17searched Miller's

01:08:18home for evidence

01:08:19and got another surprise

01:08:22it was probably

01:08:23only a 1200 square foot house

01:08:25but it was

01:08:26a hoarder house

01:08:27that I've never seen

01:08:28in my 25 year career

01:08:29I remember

01:08:30one of our SWAT team members

01:08:32coming to me

01:08:33and saying

01:08:33hey we can't clear the house

01:08:34because we can't even

01:08:35make entry

01:08:37Rostenberg and others

01:08:38spent more than five days

01:08:39working their way

01:08:40through it all

01:08:41collected more than

01:08:426,000 items

01:08:44among them

01:08:45a hacksaw

01:08:46a sword

01:08:47teeth

01:08:48and this was

01:08:50worrisome

01:08:50women's credit cards

01:08:52had driver's licenses

01:08:53and here in the house

01:08:55where he raised his daughter

01:08:57were magazines

01:08:58images

01:08:59videos

01:09:00that Rostenberg

01:09:02wishes he could

01:09:02somehow wipe

01:09:03from his memory

01:09:04women

01:09:05you know

01:09:05having their heads

01:09:06cut off

01:09:10stabbed

01:09:10beaten

01:09:11strangled

01:09:12it was

01:09:12I remember

01:09:13leaving that place

01:09:14every night

01:09:14I would take a shower

01:09:16and I just had

01:09:17such a difficult time

01:09:18sleeping

01:09:18just trying to get

01:09:19those images

01:09:20and those pictures

01:09:20out of my head

01:09:22one graphic image

01:09:23hanging in Miller's kitchen

01:09:24stood out from the rest

01:09:26not only did he have

01:09:28not only did he have a large

01:09:28severed head

01:09:29on the front

01:09:30of his

01:09:30refrigerator door

01:09:32but many of these

01:09:34videos

01:09:34these photographs

01:09:35arguably the worst

01:09:36photos I've ever seen

01:09:37but

01:09:39no evidence

01:09:40in the house

01:09:41seemed to connect

01:09:42directly

01:09:42to the murders

01:09:43and meanwhile

01:09:44under questioning

01:09:45by detective

01:09:46Shira

01:09:46Miller claimed

01:09:48he had no idea

01:09:49why he might

01:09:50be in trouble

01:09:52I'm more concerned

01:09:53with what's going on

01:09:57they wouldn't

01:09:57tell me anything

01:09:58in the car

01:09:59your name came up

01:10:00in an investigation

01:10:00so we have to bring you

01:10:01down to jail

01:10:02with you about it

01:10:03and slowly

01:10:04and carefully

01:10:05Shira brought up

01:10:06the location

01:10:07of the murders

01:10:08the bike path

01:10:09along the canal

01:10:11you know

01:10:11all those little

01:10:12bike paths

01:10:12they have around

01:10:13yeah I know

01:10:14what you're talking

01:10:14about

01:10:14those always

01:10:15scared me

01:10:16that's why

01:10:16I didn't take them

01:10:17had you taken them

01:10:19I may have

01:10:20taken them once

01:10:20and then

01:10:21didn't like it

01:10:22the detective

01:10:23started to press Miller

01:10:24a little

01:10:25you ever have any

01:10:26sex with any women

01:10:27out on the bike trails

01:10:29or anything

01:10:29no

01:10:29so there's no

01:10:31no reason that

01:10:32your DNA

01:10:33should be anywhere

01:10:34around out there

01:10:37never had sex

01:10:39with any women

01:10:39anything like that

01:10:41then

01:10:42down to cases

01:10:43you remember

01:10:44the name

01:10:45Angela Brasso

01:10:46at all

01:10:47no

01:10:49well

01:10:50she was killed

01:10:51around the bike

01:10:52paths

01:10:52in 1992

01:10:56and then

01:10:57in 1993

01:10:58there's a girl

01:10:59by the name

01:10:59Melanie Burnett

01:11:00who was also

01:11:02killed

01:11:03around

01:11:04the bike

01:11:05you know

01:11:05the canals

01:11:06and the bike

01:11:06paths

01:11:07over there

01:11:07and there's

01:11:09some DNA

01:11:09evidence

01:11:10that

01:11:11kind of links

01:11:12you to those

01:11:12girls

01:11:13is there any

01:11:14way you can

01:11:15explain that

01:11:15to me

01:11:18no good

01:11:19I don't know

01:11:20those names

01:11:22Sergeant Hillman

01:11:23watched the interview

01:11:24in real time

01:11:24from a nearby room

01:11:26what were your

01:11:27impressions of him

01:11:28as he sat there

01:11:29answering questions

01:11:30he's very stoic

01:11:31really kind of

01:11:33no emotion

01:11:34even when the

01:11:35detective pressed

01:11:36him again

01:11:37and again

01:11:37how can you

01:11:38explain to me

01:11:39that your DNA

01:11:41is there

01:11:41I can't

01:11:43I can't remember

01:11:44everything I did

01:11:45back then

01:11:45but I know

01:11:46I didn't kill

01:11:46anyone

01:11:47so you sure

01:11:48you don't want

01:11:48to you know

01:11:49now's your chance

01:11:50kind of come

01:11:50and tell me

01:11:51is there a reason

01:11:52something like

01:11:53that happened

01:11:57would help you

01:11:58get it off your

01:11:58chest

01:11:59if you did

01:11:59something like

01:12:00that

01:12:01I didn't kill

01:12:01anyone

01:12:02everyone

01:12:03as far as I

01:12:04know

01:12:04everyone

01:12:04that I've

01:12:05ever had

01:12:05sex with

01:12:06is still alive

01:12:09so you've

01:12:10never killed

01:12:10anybody

01:12:11nobody

01:12:12the only

01:12:13victim Miller

01:12:13was willing

01:12:14to talk

01:12:14about

01:12:15was

01:12:16himself

01:12:17he claimed

01:12:18he'd been

01:12:18abused

01:12:19as a child

01:12:20how was your

01:12:21childhood

01:12:22with me

01:12:23and my mom

01:12:24horrible

01:12:25what made

01:12:26it horrible

01:12:28physical abuse

01:12:30now

01:12:31there would be

01:12:31no confession

01:12:32from Miller

01:12:32in that room

01:12:33but that's not

01:12:34to say the

01:12:35interview

01:12:35was a total

01:12:36loss

01:12:36there were

01:12:37a couple

01:12:38of points

01:12:38in that

01:12:40interview

01:12:41that

01:12:41turned out

01:12:42to be

01:12:42helpful

01:12:43Vince

01:12:43Imbordino

01:12:44is the

01:12:44deputy

01:12:45county

01:12:45attorney

01:12:45on the

01:12:46case

01:12:46and those

01:12:47helpful

01:12:48moments

01:12:48interestingly

01:12:49enough

01:12:50one of them

01:12:51or two of

01:12:51them were

01:12:52when nobody

01:12:52was in the

01:12:53room but the

01:12:53defendant

01:12:54and he's

01:12:54talking

01:12:55he knows

01:12:59he's being

01:12:59recorded

01:13:04no these

01:13:05were not

01:13:05just ramblings

01:13:06thought

01:13:06Imbordino

01:13:07they were a

01:13:08glimpse into

01:13:09Brian Miller's

01:13:09defense

01:13:10and he was

01:13:11worried

01:13:11it just

01:13:13might work

01:13:29finally

01:13:30the long

01:13:31delayed

01:13:31reckoning

01:13:32it was

01:13:33October

01:13:332022

01:13:34almost

01:13:35eight years

01:13:36since the

01:13:37arrest of

01:13:37Brian Patrick

01:13:38Miller

01:13:38eight years

01:13:39of hearings

01:13:40and legal

01:13:41wrangling

01:13:41and COVID

01:13:43here he

01:13:44would face

01:13:45two counts

01:13:46of kidnapping

01:13:46attempted

01:13:47sexual assault

01:13:48and first

01:13:48degree murder

01:13:49the case

01:13:50against him

01:13:51anchored by

01:13:51the unmistakable

01:13:52signature

01:13:53of his

01:13:53own DNA

01:13:54on both

01:13:55his mutilated

01:13:56victims

01:13:57but Miller

01:13:58pleaded

01:13:59not guilty

01:14:00by reason

01:14:01of insanity

01:14:02the prosecutor

01:14:04had a feeling

01:14:04this was possible

01:14:05after watching

01:14:06Miller's police

01:14:07interview

01:14:09please tell me

01:14:10this is just

01:14:10a nightmare

01:14:12please tell me

01:14:13it's a policy

01:14:14but working

01:14:15in my head

01:14:16our belief

01:14:17was that he

01:14:18was saying

01:14:18things to try

01:14:19to make it

01:14:19appear

01:14:21that he had

01:14:22mental health

01:14:22issues

01:14:23oh it didn't

01:14:24just appear

01:14:25said defense

01:14:26attorney

01:14:26R.J.

01:14:27Parker

01:14:27Miller

01:14:28he said

01:14:29suffered from

01:14:30a long list

01:14:31of disorders

01:14:32autism

01:14:33depression

01:14:33hoarding

01:14:34PTSD

01:14:35and dissociative

01:14:38disorder

01:14:39illness is so

01:14:40severe

01:14:40said Parker

01:14:41Miller's brain

01:14:42simply won't

01:14:43let him recall

01:14:44anything about

01:14:45killing Angela

01:14:46and Melanie

01:14:46he didn't

01:14:47remember

01:14:48killing these

01:14:49women

01:14:49it's not a

01:14:50process as

01:14:52simple as

01:14:53he didn't

01:14:53remember

01:14:54it's a more

01:14:55complicated process

01:14:56that involves

01:14:57not having

01:14:57access to

01:14:59very very

01:15:00deep experiences

01:15:01that fundamentally

01:15:03conflict with

01:15:04his own humanity

01:15:05so sanity

01:15:07or the lack of

01:15:08it would be

01:15:09the issue

01:15:10both sides

01:15:11agreed to a

01:15:12trial by judge

01:15:13alone

01:15:13she would

01:15:15determine

01:15:15culpability

01:15:16and if she

01:15:17found him

01:15:18guilty

01:15:18she

01:15:19judge

01:15:19Suzanne

01:15:20Cohen

01:15:20would decide

01:15:21the punishment

01:15:22life behind

01:15:23bars

01:15:24or death

01:15:27prosecutor

01:15:28Vince

01:15:28Imbordino

01:15:29began with

01:15:29the plan

01:15:30the one

01:15:32Miller wrote

01:15:32as a team

01:15:33which described

01:15:34or imagined

01:15:35a killing

01:15:36so gruesome

01:15:37his mother

01:15:37took the note

01:15:38to the police

01:15:39the plan

01:15:40basically outlined

01:15:41what he did

01:15:42to Angela

01:15:43and Melanie

01:15:44prosecutor

01:15:45said

01:15:45Miller's attacks

01:15:46were methodical

01:15:47and precise

01:15:47he approached

01:15:49both Angela

01:15:49and Melanie

01:15:50disabled them

01:15:51with a fatal

01:15:52stab wound

01:15:52in the back

01:15:53and then

01:15:54dragged them

01:15:54to a secluded

01:15:55area

01:15:56where he

01:15:56brutalized them

01:15:58there were

01:15:59more than

01:15:5920 witnesses

01:16:01Angela's

01:16:01boyfriend

01:16:02Joe

01:16:03I was baking

01:16:04her a cake

01:16:04that night

01:16:05that was the

01:16:05reason I

01:16:06didn't go

01:16:07on the bike

01:16:07ride

01:16:08Charlotte

01:16:09Pottle

01:16:09who discovered

01:16:10the second

01:16:11murder scene

01:16:11I often

01:16:12would stand

01:16:13up and

01:16:13pedal

01:16:14just

01:16:14to get

01:16:15more momentum

01:16:15and

01:16:16and then

01:16:18ended up

01:16:19running through

01:16:19a puddle

01:16:20of blood

01:16:21there was

01:16:22no doubt

01:16:22who committed

01:16:23the two murders

01:16:24said the

01:16:25forensic scientist

01:16:26the probability

01:16:27of selecting

01:16:27an unrelated

01:16:28individual

01:16:29at random

01:16:30having a DNA

01:16:31profile matching

01:16:32the DNA profile

01:16:33from this item

01:16:34is at least

01:16:34one in

01:16:35460

01:16:36quintillion

01:16:38no argument

01:16:39said the defense

01:16:40Miller did it

01:16:41but is so

01:16:42overcome

01:16:42by these

01:16:43disorders

01:16:44they argued

01:16:45he should be

01:16:46treated for

01:16:46mental illness

01:16:47not thrown

01:16:48in prison

01:16:49or executed

01:16:50Brian was

01:16:51treated like

01:16:52a dog

01:16:52literally made

01:16:53to walk

01:16:54on all fours

01:16:55and eat

01:16:55out of a

01:16:55dog bowl

01:16:57defense attorneys

01:16:58told the judge

01:16:59that Miller's

01:16:59mother

01:17:00Ellen

01:17:00who has

01:17:01since died

01:17:02routinely

01:17:03beat and

01:17:04tortured her

01:17:04son

01:17:05and that

01:17:06wasn't all

01:17:07the abuse

01:17:08he endured

01:17:08crossed

01:17:09many different

01:17:10lines

01:17:11that included

01:17:11sexual conduct

01:17:12Parker said

01:17:14Miller's mother

01:17:14walked around

01:17:15the house

01:17:16half naked

01:17:16and gave her

01:17:17son Playboy

01:17:18magazines

01:17:19when he was

01:17:20only seven

01:17:20it was all

01:17:22so damaging

01:17:23said Parker

01:17:24that Miller's

01:17:25mind created

01:17:26two states

01:17:26of consciousness

01:17:27a normal

01:17:28state

01:17:29and a trauma

01:17:30state

01:17:31the trauma

01:17:32state was

01:17:33able to

01:17:33harbor rage

01:17:34anger

01:17:35resentment

01:17:36humiliation

01:17:37a desire

01:17:37for revenge

01:17:38and Miller

01:17:40was in that

01:17:40trauma state

01:17:41went the

01:17:42argument

01:17:42when he

01:17:43killed

01:17:43Angela

01:17:44and Melanie

01:17:45as part

01:17:46of this

01:17:46dissociative

01:17:47process

01:17:47not having

01:17:48access

01:17:48to those

01:17:49experiences

01:17:50or that

01:17:50information

01:17:51means it's

01:17:52fundamentally

01:17:52not a part

01:17:53of his

01:17:53world

01:17:54it's not

01:17:54something

01:17:55that he

01:17:55can engage

01:17:56with

01:17:56but he

01:17:56did do

01:17:57those

01:17:57things

01:17:57he did

01:17:58his DNA

01:17:59is all

01:17:59over them

01:17:59but he

01:18:00wouldn't

01:18:00admit in

01:18:01court

01:18:01that he

01:18:02did

01:18:02these

01:18:02things

01:18:03the case

01:18:04was never

01:18:04about

01:18:05whether

01:18:05Brian

01:18:05could or

01:18:06could not

01:18:07admit

01:18:07to

01:18:08offenses

01:18:08it was

01:18:09about

01:18:09what

01:18:10recognition

01:18:11within

01:18:12himself

01:18:12he could

01:18:13have

01:18:14about

01:18:14those

01:18:15experiences

01:18:15a forensic

01:18:17psychologist

01:18:17appointed by

01:18:18the court

01:18:19had an opinion

01:18:19about the

01:18:20trauma

01:18:20state

01:18:20claim

01:18:21essentially

01:18:22baloney

01:18:23these were

01:18:25sex crimes

01:18:25pure and

01:18:26simple

01:18:26I think

01:18:27they were

01:18:27planned and

01:18:28they were

01:18:28carefully

01:18:29executed

01:18:30and he

01:18:30evaded

01:18:31detection

01:18:32arrest for

01:18:34a long

01:18:34time

01:18:35that was

01:18:35the

01:18:35battleground

01:18:36was he

01:18:37insane

01:18:37did he

01:18:38remember

01:18:38doing it

01:18:40after six

01:18:41months of

01:18:42testimony

01:18:42it was up

01:18:43to the

01:18:44judge

01:18:44now

01:18:45at last

01:18:46an answer

01:18:48as to

01:18:49count one

01:18:50first degree

01:18:51murder

01:18:51angela

01:18:52brasso

01:18:53as follows

01:18:54guilty

01:18:56as to

01:18:57count two

01:18:57first degree

01:18:58murder

01:18:59victim

01:19:00melanie

01:19:01burnis

01:19:01as follows

01:19:02guilty

01:19:04guilty

01:19:05on all

01:19:06counts

01:19:07angela

01:19:08and melanie's

01:19:09families had

01:19:09watched the

01:19:10trial on a

01:19:11video call

01:19:11set up for

01:19:12them

01:19:12and now

01:19:13they address

01:19:14the judge

01:19:14jill

01:19:15canetta

01:19:16is melanie's

01:19:17big sister

01:19:17words cannot

01:19:19even begin

01:19:20to describe

01:19:20the level

01:19:21of excruciating

01:19:22pain we

01:19:22experienced

01:19:23with the

01:19:23news of

01:19:24her

01:19:24horrific

01:19:25death

01:19:25linda

01:19:26brasso

01:19:27angela's

01:19:27mother

01:19:28the defendant

01:19:29stole her

01:19:30future

01:19:30her innocence

01:19:32her life

01:19:34judge

01:19:35cohen

01:19:35had one

01:19:36more big

01:19:36decision

01:19:37before her

01:19:38should

01:19:39miller

01:19:39get the

01:19:40death

01:19:40penalty

01:19:40the lawyers

01:19:42faced off

01:19:43for the

01:19:43last time

01:19:44one

01:19:45trying to

01:19:45save

01:19:46miller's

01:19:47life

01:19:47where would

01:19:48brian be

01:19:49now

01:19:49if he had

01:19:50a mother

01:19:51who nurtured

01:19:52him

01:19:52who gave

01:19:53him hugs

01:19:54and showed

01:19:54him affection

01:19:55who kissed

01:19:56him with

01:19:56love in

01:19:57her heart

01:19:57the prosecutor

01:19:59on the other

01:20:00side did

01:20:01not mince

01:20:02words

01:20:02this will

01:20:03sound harsh

01:20:04i'm sure

01:20:06angela and

01:20:07melanie didn't

01:20:08get to choose

01:20:09when they

01:20:09died

01:20:10they didn't

01:20:11get to choose

01:20:12the day

01:20:14the hour

01:20:15the moment

01:20:17this defendant

01:20:18deserves

01:20:19to know

01:20:20the day

01:20:22the hour

01:20:26of his

01:20:27death

01:20:28for what

01:20:29he did

01:20:29it's clear

01:20:30that you

01:20:31took this

01:20:31case pretty

01:20:32personally

01:20:32too

01:20:33but you

01:20:34get to

01:20:34know

01:20:34somebody

01:20:35and you

01:20:35want to

01:20:35represent

01:20:35them

01:20:36well

01:20:36correct

01:20:37i can

01:20:38still get

01:20:38emotional

01:20:38about it

01:20:39as you

01:20:40can probably

01:20:40tell right

01:20:40now

01:20:41judge

01:20:42cohen

01:20:42got ready

01:20:43to read

01:20:43her decision

01:20:44the question

01:20:45the court

01:20:46must answer

01:20:47is if the

01:20:48totality of

01:20:49the litigation

01:20:49is sufficiently

01:20:51substantial

01:20:52to call

01:20:53for leniency

01:20:56and there

01:20:57was a pause

01:20:58i don't know

01:20:59whether she

01:20:59paused on

01:21:00purpose

01:21:00but during

01:21:02that pause

01:21:03i wasn't

01:21:04sure what

01:21:05she was

01:21:05going to

01:21:05say

01:21:05yes or

01:21:06no

01:21:11the answer

01:21:12is no

01:21:13brian

01:21:14miller

01:21:14was sentenced

01:21:15to death

01:21:17what that

01:21:18feel like

01:21:19i don't

01:21:20know that

01:21:20i can

01:21:21put into

01:21:22words

01:21:22how it

01:21:23feels

01:21:23to sit

01:21:25next to

01:21:26brian

01:21:27after all

01:21:28these years

01:21:29and hear

01:21:30the judge

01:21:32sentence

01:21:33him to

01:21:33death

01:21:34it's

01:21:36an

01:21:37overwhelming

01:21:38experience

01:21:39that carries

01:21:40its own

01:21:41trauma

01:21:42if you saw

01:21:43the

01:21:45horrendous

01:21:46things that

01:21:46brian miller

01:21:47did to those

01:21:47women

01:21:48death penalty

01:21:48was suitable

01:21:49at that point

01:21:51we can't

01:21:51bring those

01:21:52girls back

01:21:52back but we

01:21:53can give them

01:21:53some form of

01:21:55closure in seeing

01:21:57brian patrick miller

01:21:58removed from society

01:21:59miller is now on

01:22:01arizona's death row

01:22:02where he has access to

01:22:05email he wrote to dateline

01:22:07that he is always denied

01:22:08being involved with the

01:22:10murders and he did not agree

01:22:12with the defense and the opinion

01:22:14of experts miller has appealed the

01:22:16conviction

01:22:17investigation but is the

01:22:19investigating over

01:22:20no it is not

01:22:22does either of you think that

01:22:24that there are more

01:22:26murders out there that we

01:22:27don't know about

01:22:28i do

01:22:29i'm hoping

01:22:30praying

01:22:31that i can talk to him

01:22:33and hopefully clear some more

01:22:35cases get some more relief for

01:22:37some of the other families

01:22:37because i do think he did other

01:22:39murders

01:22:46thirty years ago

01:22:47two bright young women

01:22:49each set out for bike rides

01:22:51along the canal

01:22:52and neither came home

01:22:55justice has finally been done

01:22:57but the loss

01:22:59is forever

01:23:01well she'd probably be a mother

01:23:03and have

01:23:06a few children and some dogs and

01:23:10some cats and some rabbits and

01:23:12some animals around her

01:23:14she would be a person of love

01:23:17she really would

01:23:18i think of what she would have

01:23:21been like what kind of mom she

01:23:23would have been what kind of

01:23:24career she would have chosen in

01:23:27our yearbook she signed it

01:23:28saying i hope we are friends for

01:23:30the rest of our lives

01:23:31i think we truly would have

01:23:33been friends forever

01:23:39that's all for this edition of

01:23:41dateline

01:23:41we'll see you again thursday at

01:23:4310 9 central and of course i'll

01:23:45see you each weeknight for nbc

01:23:47nightly news

01:23:48i'm lester holt for all of us at

01:23:50nbc news

01:23:52good night

01:23:58you

01:24:01you

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