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00:19I definitely did not sleep.
00:21Holy .
00:23Eric had nothing else going on, and I was an easy target.
00:27You know, she wants to play this villain now
00:28that everyone thought it was cool, so she was smoking,
00:30so now she walks around puffing her cigarette,
00:32acting like an asshole because people thought it was cool.
00:34You have fun with that.
00:35This is about the three of us coming apart.
00:38I'm ready.
00:40Tonight, the three-part Beverly Hills reunion begins.
00:44Do you think he was emotionally abusive to you, Tom?
00:48Kyle, if you do file for divorce,
00:50will you be asking for half of the agency?
00:52Well, it's mine.
00:53Did he realize that?
00:55You accused her of lashing out.
00:58In order to save my job, I became unglued.
01:01Do you want to apologize?
01:03Apologize for what, Andy?
01:05She's saying that it made her flip.
01:08I didn't say it was a failure.
01:09Yes, you did.
01:10Get over it.
01:11Don't talk behind my back.
01:12I told him.
01:14I'm very sorry.
01:16But do you mean it?
01:18No, Erica.
01:19I'm a cold-hearted .
01:23You really like that word.
01:27Taking my selfie.
01:32Well, hi, Miss Brown.
01:33Beverly Hills is in the house I see.
01:38It's so pretty.
01:42Look at this showgirl.
01:44Wow.
01:45Hi.
01:46Nice to see you.
01:46You look great.
01:47Wow.
01:48It's time to put a show on.
01:51This is very heavy, I think.
01:53Dude, it's only four pounds.
01:54Is this dress going to be hot?
01:56Oh, my God, you guys.
01:57This is what Rachel Zoe wears to a reunion.
02:00Hi, girls.
02:02Who is it, Rachel?
02:03This is vintage Jim Mandel.
02:05Oh, it's Jim Mandel.
02:06Oh, it's Jim Mandel.
02:07Oh, my gosh.
02:08Not the car on the set.
02:10I've never had that before.
02:11Look at you matching the car.
02:13I love it.
02:13I really like it.
02:14Everybody looks gorgeous.
02:21Hello, everyone.
02:23It's so cool.
02:25Hi, Doree.
02:26Here, I'm going to go this way.
02:31All right, we're waiting for the money queen.
02:34Hey, Doree, guess what?
02:35You weren't the last one.
02:36I'm at the last time.
02:36No, baby.
02:38Hey, money queen.
02:39Hi.
02:39How are you?
02:40Mwah.
02:41Hello.
02:42Hello.
02:43You ready?
02:44I guess.
02:45How do you be ready?
02:46Camera's up to Andy in three, two, one.
02:51Hey, everybody.
02:52Welcome to the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills season 15 reunion.
02:57I'm Andy Cohen, and here's what I'm manifesting today.
03:01Friendship, conflict, followed by resolution, and our set is manifesting the iconic Rodeo Drive.
03:10Good evening, ladies.
03:12Good evening.
03:13Hi, Andy.
03:14Hi, Rachel Zone.
03:15Hi, Andy.
03:16Everyone's obsessed with your boys.
03:18Oh, me too.
03:20They love their mom.
03:22Has Skylar bought an Hermes bangle for any girls lately?
03:25No.
03:26I have to say when that's okay.
03:28Sky, I love this.
03:29Yes.
03:30Don't just buy any random girl in Hermes, but you sent.
03:33Okay.
03:33Did he use his allowance?
03:35He did.
03:36He used his bar mitzvah money.
03:37That's really cute.
03:39Hey, Amanda.
03:39Welcome to your first reunion.
03:41What are you manifesting for today?
03:43Be myself.
03:45Say the truth.
03:47Maybe have some fun.
03:48Okay.
03:49Hi, Sutton Brown.
03:50Hello.
03:51Sutton Brown's first reunion.
03:53Yes.
03:53Easy breezy.
03:55Easy breezy.
03:56Hi, Erica.
03:56Hey.
03:58How you doing?
03:58I'm good.
03:59How is DJing going?
04:01Honey, I had two fabulous weeks in Australia.
04:05Oh, yeah.
04:06I had the best time.
04:11Look, I get to wear latex and play other people's records and have a good time.
04:15I like it.
04:16Hi, Bose.
04:17Hello.
04:18Let's see that ring.
04:19Wow.
04:20Exciting.
04:21Beautiful.
04:21Beautiful.
04:22I do have a special request.
04:24Oh.
04:24Okay.
04:25For my Beverly Hills wedding.
04:27Oh.
04:28I would love for you to DJ part of the wedding.
04:30Absolutely.
04:31Consider it done.
04:33That's so great.
04:34Hi, Dory.
04:35Hi, Andy.
04:35Great to see you.
04:36Good to see you.
04:37How are you feeling tonight?
04:38Good.
04:39Good.
04:39Great.
04:40Hi, Kyle.
04:41Hi, Andy.
04:41Kyle, you are officially Bravo's longest-running consecutive housewife across all franchises.
04:48Wow.
04:48This is your 15th season, 15th straight reunion.
04:53How does it feel?
04:54I'm still standing.
04:55She deserves applause, by the way.
04:57I was gonna say.
04:58I know.
04:58For sure.
04:59That's like a...
05:00That's an achievement.
05:01So, before we get into it, I just want to talk about where everyone stands, because
05:05the once rock-solid friendships of Kyle, Dorit, and Erica were shaken, which impacted,
05:13really, the whole group.
05:15Um, do y'all think that we can land in a positive spot by the end of the day, or...?
05:22No.
05:23I would love that.
05:24You would?
05:25Of course I would love that.
05:27What do you think, Dorit?
05:28I mean, listen, I'd always love that, but we have to be realistic, you know, see how
05:32the day goes.
05:33Erica?
05:34I don't have much hope.
05:36Really?
05:37No.
05:38Okay.
05:40When new housewife Rachel Zoe saw how excited fans were that she was back on Bravo, she
05:46probably said, I'm dead.
05:48I can't.
05:48Are you okay?
05:49Are you okay?
05:50And, while the other women marveled at how stylish and put together their new friend
05:55was, Rachel's home life was undergoing a painful new makeover.
06:00Take a look.
06:01Oh, God.
06:03Hello.
06:03Hello.
06:04My name's Rachel Zoe.
06:06You may or may not remember me from Bravo because I've lived here before.
06:10I'm so cringy.
06:11Oh, my God, I have that bag.
06:13I'm a little bit in awe of her because she is one of the most famous stylists in Hollywood.
06:19People are always like, oh, my God, you have it so together.
06:21But on the inside, I'm like, oh, my God, I'm, like, crumbling.
06:24I think we've outgrown each other.
06:26Mm-hmm.
06:27He's always been Grateful Dad, and I've always been St. Bart's.
06:29So you know that my ex is this girlfriend, right?
06:32My kids are leaving.
06:33She f***ing appears.
06:35Dad was there, and it was just like, this is my friend, and it was like, hi, and I was
06:39like, hi, and I just looked away, and I was like, oh, that's the person.
06:43It's an absolute myriad of bad decisions that have been made over the last month, the last
06:49weeks, the last f***ing hour that would trigger me to move things forward.
06:56It's f***ing everywhere.
06:59Like, it's everywhere.
07:01He will be the greatest disappointment of my life forever.
07:04Oh, my God.
07:04I say you're okay.
07:05I'm great.
07:06I'm f***ing great.
07:07Okay.
07:09It came as no surprise.
07:10The Bravo-verse was very excited to welcome you back into the fold.
07:15What did that tidal wave feel like?
07:18Honestly, the love has truthfully been overwhelming, and I think it's part of the fear of coming
07:23back in is, you know, having survived the tabloid era of being the subject of fodder a
07:30lot.
07:31I came in like, they're going to come for me.
07:33They're going to hate me.
07:34So it was scary, but I also feel that I was a lot more open than I thought I would
07:38be.
07:39Truthfully.
07:40You were a lot more open truthfully than I thought you were going to be.
07:42Me too.
07:42To tell you the truth.
07:44Was there any part of you that wanted to get back at Roger by coming on the show?
07:51No.
07:51Not even a little.
07:53I have to assume, though, that now that the show is airing, is he seeing things and getting
07:59upset?
08:00Yeah.
08:00I think he hears.
08:01Yeah.
08:02I'm sure that people tell him.
08:04You know, listen, the only thing I could say very honestly is some really bad things
08:11happened in real time this summer that were quite shocking, and there's a lot that I didn't
08:16say.
08:17Do you regret it?
08:18Do you regret being open?
08:20I don't really regret anything that I said because I definitely meant it, and honestly,
08:25I still mean it.
08:26But look, here's the thing.
08:29The truth is painful sometimes.
08:31Yeah.
08:31But overall, definitely not.
08:33Because I think if it helps as many people as I would like it to, then I think that's
08:37great.
08:37And it helps you.
08:37Okay, yes.
08:38And it helps you.
08:39Moving on to your divorce, we saw you file on the show.
08:42Is it resolved yet?
08:43No, but soon.
08:45We know that you weren't happy when Roger's new girlfriend saw the boys at the airport.
08:52Do you have a relationship with her at all?
08:54Are you okay?
08:56Are you okay?
08:56Are you okay?
08:57Seriously?
08:58Andy!
08:59I have to ask.
09:00No.
09:01And not ever.
09:02And no.
09:03Does he have any relationship with your parents?
09:06No.
09:07My dad can't really.
09:09It's hard.
09:10My mother is more able to talk to him because for her, she's very much like, he's the father
09:17of my grandchildren.
09:18So I did have him at Thanksgiving because my mother, we were all in Miami and he happened
09:24to have been there with a friend, like a guy friend.
09:26And my mother was basically like, we need to invite him at least for dessert or whatever.
09:32And I did and he stayed, I thought it was going to be dessert, but it was from 9 to
09:37like
09:371am.
09:38Wow.
09:38And Roger's relationship with the boys is?
09:41Is good now.
09:42Better.
09:43Much, much better now.
09:45In happy news, you were recently photographed on a red carpet with some guy called Sasha.
09:52Is that a thing?
09:53Mmm.
09:54Do you have something to tell me?
09:56I'm hot.
09:56What did she say?
09:57It was a friend.
09:58Kim from Cincinnati said, wait, is Rachel dating a life coach who sells online courses
10:04like Amanda?
10:05I would die.
10:17Kim from Cincinnati said, wait, is Rachel dating a life coach who sells online courses
10:23like Amanda?
10:24I would die.
10:26Is that what he does?
10:26He's, um, he's more of a, um, um, um, um, it's more of like a mind body alignment,
10:38basically.
10:39Alignment?
10:40Basically getting people back to a place of, you know, center of forgiveness, things like
10:45that.
10:46I'm not a client.
10:47He's a friend.
10:49Okay.
10:49You do know how many times instead he's a friend.
10:51A very good looking tall friend.
10:52Okay.
10:53All right.
10:53Well, I'm going to move on.
10:55With a husband in prison and a $25 million lawsuit on the horizon, the past few years have
11:03given Erica a million different reasons to keep her walls up.
11:09Sorry for that transition.
11:10I'm glad I am laughing at this.
11:12But after decades of walking on thin ice with Tom, a new gentleman in Erica's life melted
11:18this ice queen's heart.
11:20Jesus.
11:21Watch.
11:21This is an intro.
11:23Okay, Erica.
11:23Yeah.
11:24Who is this guy, the picture the paparazzi caught you with the other day?
11:29What stood up most in those pictures was the fact that Erica had not a stitch of makeup,
11:34she was dressed totally down, and the guy was wearing Crocs.
11:41When I saw that picture, I thought, she's so comfortable.
11:44Yeah, you looked very comfortable.
11:46And I felt like you felt safe with him.
11:48Yeah, there was no guard up.
11:49Erica, have you ever felt like you didn't have to have your guard up?
11:53Not in a long time.
11:56I know that you're so over everything with Tom.
12:00Oh, I'm not over that.
12:02I'm heartbroken.
12:04Uh-huh.
12:05Knowing he's gonna die in prison.
12:07Right.
12:07That's heavy.
12:09Certainly, Tom's story is ending.
12:13Mine is still ongoing.
12:15I saw this thing about Erica, and I texted her.
12:17I'm worried about her.
12:18Erica Jean headed to trial over $25 million spent during Tom Girardi's marriage.
12:23Wait, wait.
12:24I don't understand.
12:25She's headed to trial.
12:26What do they think they're gonna get $25 million from her back?
12:29I wanted to talk to you about the black eye I saw.
12:33I wanted you to know.
12:35I went through this, too.
12:38There's a lot of shame around that.
12:41Getting hit or choked or kicked.
12:45What happened to you, look, you were very lucky that you survived.
12:51And by speaking about it, that's the first step in letting go of it.
12:58Are you sure I did the right thing?
13:00I'm 100% positive.
13:02Sure.
13:04Yeah.
13:04I know it for sure.
13:06Okay.
13:10All right.
13:12It's hard.
13:13That's heavy.
13:15It's heavy.
13:15Erica, I want to start by saying first how sorry and sad I am that you had to go through
13:21such a horrible experience.
13:23I also want to acknowledge how brave it was of you to share your story so publicly.
13:29Why did you feel like you wanted to share that?
13:32Well, I'd held it for a long time.
13:35And had Denise not said anything, I probably wouldn't have said anything either.
13:40Mm-hmm.
13:40What has the reaction been like from viewers?
13:44The one silver lining has been very positive.
13:46Thank you for coming forward.
13:47I, too, have had this experience.
13:49And I think, you know, no one should have that experience.
13:53But it's much more common than we know.
13:57How did you get out of the relationship, if you don't mind me asking?
14:00I called the cops.
14:00You called the cops.
14:02Yeah.
14:02That's how you get out.
14:03You must have been so scared.
14:05Yeah.
14:06Terrified.
14:07I gave this person a chance to leave.
14:09They did not.
14:11And I was like, no, man.
14:13Okay.
14:14I have to call 911.
14:16So after this aired, you didn't hear from this person?
14:21No.
14:23No.
14:23Thank God.
14:24But you know what I realized?
14:26Through this DV shame, it also brought up a whole lot of other shame.
14:31Shame about Tom.
14:32You know, I walked on ice a lot with Tom.
14:35Like, looking back at it.
14:37You know, it's always been nice.
14:38It was constantly an interrogation.
14:40It was constantly, you know, a battle, you know.
14:45Don't say the wrong thing.
14:45Do you think he was emotionally abusive to you, Tom?
14:50Yeah.
14:52And financially abusive.
14:56And, you know, Tom one time did not talk to me for six weeks.
15:02That's...
15:03And we lived in the same house.
15:04That's crazy.
15:06It's insane.
15:07That's such emotional things.
15:09You know, as sweet as Tom could be, it's as vicious as Tom could be.
15:13Were you nervous about appearing on camera with him?
15:17Were you...
15:18Oh, yes.
15:19You were.
15:20Yes.
15:20Because what if I said the wrong thing?
15:23Right.
15:24Mm-hmm.
15:25But he never thought I'd get on the show.
15:28I remember him telling me after my first interview, you're not going to get this job.
15:31Oh, that's nice.
15:32Then when I said, you know, I got the job.
15:34What an ass.
15:35It was...
15:35I know.
15:36He was kind of like, you got the job.
15:38Well, he's not going to tell me no.
15:40Mm-hmm.
15:40You know?
15:41So I came on the cast.
15:45When I think back about your first few seasons on the show, he would come around when you
15:52were performing and he would play this part of this, like, proud husband.
15:57Starry-eyed husband, yeah.
16:02I was really proud of you.
16:04Were you?
16:04Yeah.
16:05That was cool.
16:06I appreciate that.
16:07You know how many times I've wondered how much of that was an act?
16:10Oh.
16:10In the moment, did you wonder?
16:12You know, you want to believe that your partner loves and supports you, but you know
16:18when it was up, which is very obvious, when you said to me, I didn't like it that Tom
16:23didn't come see you on Broadway.
16:24Yeah.
16:25I didn't.
16:25Like, how could you miss that?
16:27Yeah.
16:27I was like, he also did not read my book.
16:29My book.
16:34And I was saying to you, I think that's weird.
16:37And you were like, do you?
16:39What does Tom think?
16:40He hasn't read it either.
16:41No one's read it.
16:42No one's read it in my family.
16:44I think that's weird.
16:46Yeah.
16:46What's weird about it?
16:47Well, I was writing for him very hard.
16:49Yeah.
16:50Having that hindsight and being able to look at it, you know, I was in the Tom Girardi
16:59influence.
17:00You told Sutton that you don't believe that visiting Tom will give you closure.
17:05No, I do not.
17:06Especially since he may not even remember who you are.
17:09If there was one question that you could ask him, what would it be?
17:39If there was one question that you could ask him, what would it be?
17:51Why?
17:53Why?
17:55Why?
17:57Why did you throw me out like that?
18:02You know?
18:04Cause if you think about it, like I'm in an almost impossible situation.
18:09I'm swimming under all of these lawsuits and the $26 million thing has been for years.
18:15They sued me for that right away.
18:17And that's coming up.
18:19Yeah.
18:20Worst possible case.
18:22You have found that you owe somebody $25 million.
18:25What the hell do you do then?
18:27Bankruptcy.
18:27File for bankruptcy?
18:29You can file for bankruptcy or you can fight it out in court and you can-
18:33Duke it out.
18:33You know, you can go to trial.
18:35You can cut a deal.
18:37You can die in the streets.
18:40I have no idea.
18:42Dorit, in Italy, you questioned whether Erica was actually going through a ton.
18:50She's going through a ton.
18:51We're all going through a ton, Rachel.
18:53I agree with that.
18:53You're going through a ton?
18:58Surely you knew that she was going through stuff.
19:01So what did you mean by that?
19:03So, you know, first of all, when I was in Italy, I had a lot on my mind.
19:10We had been talking a lot the three weeks leading up to Italy.
19:13And there was no mention of the trial coming up.
19:17In fact, the first time I heard it was in the Hamptons when Rachel saw it in the tabloids.
19:23Eric and I never spoke about it.
19:26So that was not even the top of my mind.
19:28If I'm not having the conversation, I'm not thinking about it.
19:32Your reaction was?
19:33On the one hand, I can see why she's got her own problems and she's very self-involved.
19:38On the other hand, I've been talking about this s*** for six years.
19:42Not really.
19:43Yeah, I've been going through it. This case has been around a long time.
19:46But I also don't expect you to be keeping up with every s*** thing I'm doing.
19:50That's what I mean.
19:50However, we have talked about it.
19:53And whether we talked about it five months ago or two years ago, we're close.
19:58Yeah, no, I know.
19:59That's why it hurts.
20:01I love you.
20:03And I'm scared for you.
20:05I don't want to overload my friends all the time.
20:08Well, I'm sorry you're going through it.
20:10But we also shouldn't have to mention it all the time to have our friends be sympathetic.
20:15Right.
20:16Everyone has stuff going on in their lives.
20:18And my point was, I think that you are so in the zone with your issues that you're not thinking
20:24about that with other people.
20:25Right. And I'm telling you, you're wrong.
20:28Okay.
20:28Okay.
20:28This year, as I have said multiple times and again.
20:32Yes, I know you were going through it.
20:34Okay.
20:34So, I was overwhelmed.
20:35Yes.
20:35But when I got to Italy.
20:37Yes.
20:38Going through it.
20:38It was a different ball game.
20:40Okay.
20:40I want to bring it back to our current relationship.
20:43It's been how long?
20:45Since June, July.
20:46Like nine months.
20:47Nine months.
20:47Yeah.
20:48Yeah.
20:49That's great.
20:50How are things going in the relationship?
20:52It's nice.
20:52Thank you so much.
20:53It's good.
20:53Has your son met him?
20:54Yes.
20:55And what does your son think?
20:56Oh my God.
20:57You're talking to like the ultimate G.I. Joe.
20:59My son's probably more in love with this man than I could ever be.
21:03Wow.
21:04Let's call him G.I. John instead of Frank.
21:06G.I. John.
21:07G.I. John.
21:08That's a good nickname.
21:09That's funny.
21:09How has what happened to you impacted who you are in your current relationship?
21:17I really enjoy the man that I'm dating.
21:20And so I don't have those same concerns.
21:23You feel safe.
21:24I do.
21:24You feel safe.
21:26Things seem to be going well.
21:27Day by day.
21:28Day by day.
21:29We're going to leave it there.
21:32I need everyone to step out, please.
21:33We got to go.
21:34We got an hour.
21:35That's the Chanel makeup kid looking three minutes ago.
21:38Three, did I give you that makeup kit for your, for that, that Chanel cosmetic bag?
21:43Sure did.
21:44Thought so.
21:46That's how much you've meant to me.
21:48Same.
21:53What?
21:54Is this happening?
21:56You get what you get.
21:59Some weird air come.
22:01Coming up.
22:03I can afford to spend $4,000 being judged, especially from you.
22:08Two out of all people.
22:09By the way, I'm not in the same financial position as you.
22:11I'm sorry.
22:17We are back with the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
22:20Last year, Dorit iconically dragged a cigarette.
22:24But this season, her friends warned her against dragging PK too hard in public.
22:29And as Dorit sought to be unburdened financially via an exciting new book deal, she couldn't
22:36help but feel like Kyle was reading right from PK's playbook.
22:40Watch this.
22:41When I saw PK kissing that Sheen version of Dorit, first I rolled my eyes.
22:47Then I threw up a little.
22:49The next day, you filed.
22:51It was that day.
22:53You know, I'm hearing like complete opposite that Dorit is putting him through a really hard time, making it hard
22:58for him to see the kids.
23:00Last year, she was saying things that, you know, obviously came out.
23:03You know, how he's parenting and things like that.
23:06That makes me nervous that she's adding fuel to the fire.
23:08I just don't think it's smart to be speaking so negatively about your ex so publicly.
23:14It's going to make your divorce down the line much more difficult.
23:17Do you remember when you and I had dinner and I said to you, I don't think it's a good
23:26idea to bash the father of your children.
23:28Why do you think I said that?
23:29Do I remember that?
23:30I can remember.
23:33I think when it comes to anything about this divorce between Dorit and PK, Kyle should just be quiet because
23:39there's no winning here.
23:40Is he protecting me?
23:41I don't know what PK is doing. I only care about you.
23:42You know exactly what PK is doing, Kyle, because you speak to Mo and Mo speaks to PK.
23:46What you have kicked off and started is what's really going to come back and kick me in the ass.
23:53Grow up, Dorit.
23:56Okay, so Dorit, you said that what Kyle is doing is going to come back and bite you in the
24:01ass.
24:01Yes.
24:01Has that happened?
24:02Oh, yeah.
24:04In what way?
24:05Well, PK was sending me, clearly, Kyle was relaying information to Mo about me in the season and PK was
24:13taunting me towards the end of the season saying,
24:16apparently, um, you're not doing so well.
24:19Apparently, you know.
24:21I didn't say anything about that.
24:22Oh, he just, I mean, PK just poof, got it out of the sky.
24:26No.
24:26He's a psychic.
24:27No.
24:27Someone's saying something and it's not me.
24:29Okay.
24:29Well, anyway.
24:30So you can't keep doing that.
24:31I can tell you that now that it's, listen.
24:33I'm so sick depending on my character.
24:35You know, for somebody who's so concerned, if she doesn't realize that suggesting that I am erratic, that I'm not
24:44myself, not once thinking, she's in an acrimonious divorce.
24:48I'm not in your situation.
24:49I filed for divorce.
24:51Telling me, you told me once in private.
24:52That's why I was telling you don't fuel the fire.
24:54So then why do you think fueling the fire?
24:56By suggesting that I am erratic, by making sure that it's going public.
25:00I already said that was the wrong choice of words, but he's going to hear this too.
25:03Kyle, making it a storyline.
25:05Yeah, and you know what you didn't see is that they were having that conversation with me as well and
25:09that part wasn't shown.
25:11You missed it last night.
25:13I lost Dorit.
25:14I'm not kidding for like 45 minutes.
25:16Where did you find her?
25:17She was in the f***ing smoking section outside.
25:19Like, but here's the thing.
25:21Had I known there was a smoking section, that would have been the first place I looked.
25:25She'd disappear sometimes.
25:27Like, you can't do that.
25:28I had a f***ing heart attack.
25:30Like, you can't do that.
25:31You keep saying this, so I'm going to go to each and every one.
25:33Amanda, did you go to Kyle and say Dorit is acting erratic, manic?
25:38Did you go to her?
25:39No, she didn't say those.
25:40I had my own words.
25:41Did you go to Kyle?
25:42Dorit, that's not what I'm saying.
25:43So then stop saying you didn't see them coming to me.
25:46Those were my words.
25:47That I already told you, but you don't listen.
25:49Kyle, you don't realize.
25:50That I misspoke with that word.
25:51I also related it to my own experience.
25:54And I even said this, I even said this a number of times.
25:57I equated it to how I felt after my separation.
26:01That I was, I can tend to get OCD and, you know, like all over the place.
26:06So I, I mean, I get very ADHD and I'm like not clear and, you know, maybe working out too
26:12much and like not focused and like all over the place and scattered.
26:15That's what I meant.
26:16And it became this big, huge thing that it shouldn't have been.
26:19The word erratic.
26:20It became a big, huge thing, Kyle.
26:21Because you went to eat.
26:22Because you made it.
26:23It's not that big a f***ing deal.
26:24Why?
26:25It's a big deal.
26:26Bo's talked about her financial concern.
26:28She came and she told me.
26:28Never mind.
26:29Leave Bo's out of it.
26:30The point is this, Kyle.
26:31You know full well.
26:32You're trying to just focus on me and make me laugh at when I wasn't saying things to be gossipy
26:37or mean about you.
26:38Okay.
26:39Either mutual conversations.
26:40Kyle, do me a favor.
26:41Let's stick with one thing right now.
26:43I'm making one point.
26:44Okay.
26:45I spent $4,000 in one of Rachel's friend's shops that they cleared for us to shop.
26:51Nobody bought anything but me.
26:54I didn't want us to go into that shop and not buy anything.
26:57They had cute things.
26:58I can afford to spend $4,000.
27:01I'm very lucky to.
27:02Yes.
27:03Being judged by you, having you go and speak to the girls, the group about,
27:08that's a lot of money she's spending.
27:10Kyle, especially from you out of all people.
27:14Let me ask you a question.
27:14By the way, I'm not in the same financial position as you.
27:16I'm sorry.
27:19How do you know my financial position?
27:21Well, the house is being foreclosed on.
27:24Because you speak to Mo and Mo speaks to P.J.?
27:27No, because it was in the news.
27:30Okay, so I just, I really hope to God things stay amicable with you and Mo.
27:34I really do and I hope to God nothing turns.
27:36Me too.
27:37But if and when it does, and you're dealing with what I have had to deal with,
27:42maybe, maybe, you'll find it difficult to sit in rooms in conversations when you're bursting at the seams
27:50and you want to actually be talking to your girlfriends and have a little bit of support,
27:54only to have people either judging you, talking behind your back, or suggesting.
28:00I don't know Mo like that.
28:01I'm so surprised.
28:04Moving on to your finances.
28:06Last year on this stage, we talked about the news that your home had gone into pre-foreclosure.
28:11You said at the time that PK had resolved it.
28:15Yes.
28:16Or so I thought, by the way.
28:17However, just this week, there are new reports indicating the house is in trouble again,
28:23with a debt of over $800,000.
28:27It is in pre-foreclosure.
28:28It is.
28:28And PK hadn't been paying the mortgage.
28:30Could you downsize?
28:32It's not, it's not about staying in the house.
28:35Do you know what I'm saying?
28:35Yeah.
28:35It's about, I believed he was paying the mortgage.
28:38Oh, which is wrong.
28:39Yes, 100%.
28:39And so I'm blindsided.
28:41Now, listen, it's my fault as well, because at this point, I shouldn't trust or believe
28:46without checking, et cetera.
28:47But were you checking monthly that it was being paid?
28:50No.
28:50No.
28:51PK is saying he's going to bring the house current, then I'm going to put the house on
28:56the market and find a house for the kids and I.
28:58This is the plan right now.
29:00Okay.
29:01But it could change.
29:02Okay.
29:04From what I've experienced, anything can change.
29:07Right.
29:07Like maybe he doesn't bring the house current, but you need to get in a situation where you
29:11can be flexible.
29:12I know exactly what I have to do.
29:15Even before this news, people were shocked and concerned about your lack of knowledge
29:21about your finances.
29:23Oh, that's.
29:23Yeah.
29:23I want to clear something up because you made a statement that I outsourced my financial
29:30well-being to a man and it didn't go well.
29:51Maybe she's intimidated.
29:53Because I'm young and successful and I'm not financially dependent on a man and she outsourced
29:57her financial well-being to a man and it didn't go well.
30:00PK was coming out of a bankruptcy when I met him.
30:03Uh-huh.
30:04Him and I built everything together.
30:07Okay.
30:08So that statement, not only was it inaccurate, it was offensive.
30:13It does feel like you're also insulting a lot of women who decided to have a child and
30:17raise their kids and not make money.
30:19No, no, no.
30:19That's how it feels.
30:21But you can have a man be in charge of money and still know what's going on with your money
30:24and you not make the money personally and that can be a totally wonderful life.
30:28I thought you were talking about me and I was upset-
30:30I thought you were talking about me too.
30:31But I can say-
30:32I mean, but a lot of people can put their something about you.
30:34I know.
30:34I'm shocked.
30:35I was like, she doesn't know me at all.
30:37What I would want for all women and all of us is to know what's going on with our money.
30:41And I don't think not knowing is a good plan.
30:43Agreed.
30:43But I could see how that would be hurtful and I'm sorry.
30:46So as we close out, Dori, what is the latest on your divorce proceedings?
30:50Listen, every time you ask me how are things with you and PK, I really want to be saying
30:55we're in a great place.
30:57But it's not the truth.
30:58And you know what?
30:59It wasn't the truth.
31:00Right now, things thank God after the kids' birthdays.
31:04This is the first time in almost two years, Andy.
31:06That's good.
31:06So today, as we sit here today, things are better?
31:08Yes.
31:09Good.
31:09I'm really happy to hear that.
31:11That's, by the way, the most important thing.
31:13And I've been waiting for you to ask me and I couldn't wait to tell you.
31:16Tell me about it.
31:17That's great.
31:18All right.
31:19Well, this season, money queen Amanda Francis was the new girl on the block, even though
31:24she lived on a very familiar block in Kyle's old Bel Air house.
31:29But some people thought this self-proclaimed breadwinner spent a little too much time buttering
31:36herself up while only offering crumbs about her career and her traumatic past.
31:42Watch.
31:44I'm best known for my best-selling book, Rich as , which helps women redefine their
31:49relationship with money and manifest more into their lives.
31:52She's getting married too.
31:53What's your date?
31:5410, 10, 26.
31:55Ooh, that sounds good.
31:57Oh, people say you can't have it all.
32:00And I do.
32:01I do have it all.
32:02So I'm the breadwinner.
32:04I always have been.
32:04But he's very motivated to be able to take care of me.
32:07I love being a breadwinner.
32:09I really do love it.
32:10It was my money, I should be clear, when I bought it.
32:13I mean, we have renovated it together, but I did buy it.
32:16Yeah.
32:16Sorry.
32:16Why would you share that?
32:18That doesn't, like, add value to the conversation.
32:23You know?
32:24I found that I had a gift around, like, the energetic part of money.
32:28I have no formal business experience.
32:32But I was like, let's make this a personal development brand.
32:35What is this frou-frou mess we're talking about?
32:38I have all the stats.
32:4080% of people who buy a course buy a second course.
32:42I have less than a 3% refund rate, which is unheard of in my industry.
32:46That is a very, very low amount of people wanting refunds on digital products.
32:49So here's the problem, Amanda.
32:50You are defending your business instead of telling us what you actually do.
32:54The baseline of Amanda's defense mechanism whenever she gets criticism is that she's insecure.
33:00I went looking up her books, and I see this blog that says,
33:03I was in a cult.
33:04I'm sorry, what?
33:05Do you think I'm fake?
33:06I think that you are not being clear about your life.
33:10I can't have a life that looks good and feels good.
33:12Well, your life is not pure.
33:14How do they expect me to be more open when they put me down and question everything I do at
33:19every turn?
33:20She's built a cult.
33:22What happened?
33:23She walked away from one and she built one.
33:25This has got to stop.
33:32All right, so Amanda, not since Camille Grammer season one have I seen someone enter this group and light up
33:40the audience.
33:41Yeah, you're welcome.
33:42So let's start with the positive, shall we?
33:45Sure.
33:45Yes.
33:46Maura from New Hampshire said,
33:47You know what I love about Amanda?
33:48She got all the ladies activated and she barely had to try.
33:52Two Real Reality said,
33:54Amanda has a cutest family and a very hot husband.
33:57I love this for her.
33:58So on the other hand, many fans were taken aback by how you speak about your husband.
34:04Nora from Topeka said,
34:05Does Amanda realize every time she talks about her husband she makes him sound like a freeloader?
34:10Mmm.
34:11Okay, Eddie's not a freeloader.
34:13He has a job.
34:14He owns a company.
34:15He works.
34:15He's a wonderful man.
34:16He's a good, good, good, good man.
34:18He takes care of me in a million ways every day.
34:22He knows I make more money than him.
34:23He knows I'm super proud of it.
34:25How does he feel about you putting that on blast, though?
34:28Mmm.
34:29My ex would have died.
34:31I don't think he would consider it on blast.
34:32Did he say anything to you about that?
34:35He said, hey, the only thing was...
34:38When you paid for the house.
34:39No, no, no.
34:40I paid for the house.
34:41Listen, for what I do, it is just in me that I want women to know always that they can
34:47do it.
34:48But out of respect for your husband, who is so adoring.
34:51I don't think he considers it disrespectful.
34:53He wouldn't see that as disrespectful?
34:55No, the house, I think, was fair.
34:58I did buy it.
34:59We renovated it together.
35:00But what did he say this season?
35:01He said what?
35:02You were gonna say...
35:03Uh-oh.
35:04He was like that I make more...
35:06I make more in a month than he makes in a year specifically.
35:09He's like, yes, that is true.
35:12And maybe you didn't have to say it that way.
35:14And it is true.
35:16But do you see how you could plant seeds of contempt that blossom years down the road?
35:21You do plan to be with this man forever, right?
35:23Yes.
35:24Right.
35:24Okay, so when you say things like this, they get buried and then they fester.
35:31They could.
35:32They could.
35:32Maybe.
35:33But as the show comes out, as he sees articles, as he sees comments, we are in bed together
35:38talking.
35:38There's me saying, hey, I meant this.
35:40My point to you is this.
35:42Everything is on the upswing.
35:44Everything is beautiful.
35:45The seeds you plant now, they will blossom when s*** up and you will pay for that later.
35:54But Amanda, I think what he's saying right now, he's not saying that...
36:00You're telling me how my husband feels.
36:02No.
36:03I'm telling you that when you emasculate someone who adores you and loves you, it doesn't matter
36:09how much more money I've made in my career than my husband if I did, there is not one
36:15moment in my entire life where I have said that to anyone, let alone on television.
36:19But you don't teach women that they can make money.
36:23I don't teach women that they can make money.
36:25No, no.
36:25You inspire women.
36:27Absolutely, you inspire women that they can make money.
36:28But this is my job.
36:30I look at myself a lot.
36:32With my marriage, my husband, if he had said those things about me when we were 40 years
36:38old, like, well I'm the bread maker, I bought the house, I did this, I did that, and here's
36:44little old me, like with a baby in my arms, like great for you, you know.
36:49But men have always traditionally made the money.
36:51It builds up resentment.
36:52This isn't a gang up on you.
36:54No.
36:55This is life.
36:55We're being helpful.
36:56This is life.
36:57I asked him if he felt emasculated.
36:59He said absolutely not.
37:00He's very secure.
37:01We're saying yes.
37:02Okay.
37:04So, the criticism was not limited to how you speak about Eddie.
37:08You were getting critiqued about millennial phrases, bragging about designers, or the
37:13money queen of it all.
37:14Was there one thing that surprised you that you were hearing from people that you were
37:18like, really?
37:19The designer stuff a little bit, or the bragging stuff a little bit, because I thought I was
37:23on a show about rich women with cool .
37:25I thought there was a lot of designer talk.
37:27I thought it was a part of it.
37:28That's one part of the show you're on.
37:29That's not the lead part of the show you're on.
37:31I didn't think I was leading with it.
37:32The lead part is your heart and soul.
37:35And we've had a hard time getting to your heart and soul.
37:39Ding Dong on Twitter said, Amanda's need to one-up and compete with everything the women
37:44have acquired is exhausting.
37:45Dirty Jenny on Twitter said, what is up with Amanda and mentioning the labels so much?
37:50What is she trying to prove?
37:51You're talking to a Hilton, for goodness sake.
37:53But I think everyone brought up labels.
37:55Often on the show, I would bring it up, there would be this pause, silence after, but other
37:59people would say, this is this, this is this.
38:01We are on a set of Rodeo Drive, let me point out.
38:04Do you feel like you had to do that when you came into this group?
38:07Because I think it came off like that.
38:10Yes, and I saw her use in Sedona saying, make sure you get a shot of this.
38:14Telling the cameraman to please make sure you get a shot of my Chanel bag.
38:19You are sitting on a couch.
38:21I thought it was cute.
38:22No.
38:23Cannot lead with that .
38:25We are too old and too experienced.
38:39We want you, not you.
38:40I saw her use in Sedona telling the cameraman to please make sure you get a shot of my Chanel
38:45bag.
38:46You are sitting on a couch.
38:48I thought it was cute.
38:48No.
38:50Cannot lead with that .
38:52We are too old and too experienced.
38:55We want you, not the veneer.
38:57But I was never, I think, the misconception that I was somehow hiding me.
39:01It felt that way.
39:03I should stop talking.
39:05Rachel, you said you have a hard time with Amanda because she acts strong, but she plays
39:10the victim at the same time.
39:12I think the conflict that I've had is what you just said about how you want to teach
39:17women and how you want to welcome in every room and everyone knows who you are and whatever.
39:22I never said I wanted to walk in every room and know who I was.
39:24You said that every room you walk into, everyone knows who you are.
39:27Outside of our group, I'm in a world where everyone gets me and everyone loves it.
39:31All my friends take my courses and everyone has this foundation of, like, what Amanda's
39:34about.
39:35And I haven't been in a world in a long time where people didn't know who I was and what
39:39I
39:39built and, like, why?
39:40No, I said that I'm used to when I walk into a room, people know who I am and what
39:44I do.
39:45They know my heart.
39:46They know my intention.
39:47Okay, no, no, you didn't follow it with that.
39:48You did not.
39:49I did.
39:49I explained it.
39:50No, but in the moment, you didn't say it.
39:52But in the moment.
39:53But that's not what I meant.
39:53Okay.
39:54That's how you took it.
39:55It's not how I took it.
39:56It's what you said.
39:57So, I guess what I'm saying is, like, because when you say those things and not followed
40:02by the explanation of why you're saying it, how could I hear it differently, right?
40:06So, I'm saying, who actually says that?
40:09If you know who I was and what I do, you'd know that that's not what I meant.
40:12But I don't.
40:14We're trying to know you.
40:16You've rubbed everybody the wrong way.
40:18It's hard to do that in this group.
40:19Sure.
40:20Well, I did it.
40:21All right.
40:22Amanda, you did an interview where you said,
40:24Bose tried to create a personal development brand.
40:27It did not go well.
40:28She's losing money on her courses.
40:30She told me so.
40:31Let's talk about this.
40:32So...
40:33Because when in the hell did I tell you that I was losing money on my business?
40:37In the vineyard.
40:37That is crazy.
40:38In the vineyard.
40:39Girl, I did not tell you that.
40:41Why would I have told you that?
40:43Because you were...
40:43Let's just consider our relationship at that point.
40:46Let's pretend for one second that I was losing money, which I'm not.
40:50Why would I confide that in you?
40:52It wasn't a confiding moment.
40:53It was essentially saying,
40:55if I'm losing money on courses,
40:57there's no way you can be making money on courses
41:00and not be doing something wrong.
41:01That doesn't make any sense, Amanda.
41:03That's what you said.
41:04It's not what I said.
41:05I think they have it on camera.
41:06And they don't because I didn't say that.
41:09Online workshopping, that's not what I do for work.
41:12You know what I mean?
41:13I'm so curious about it because we have the interlock.
41:16Yeah.
41:16Yeah, you said I don't need to make money from this.
41:17I don't.
41:18Right.
41:18Education, yeah.
41:20Well, I...
41:20Yeah.
41:21But that's okay with me because that's a choice I made.
41:23And additionally, I'll just let you know,
41:25because I do need to clarify this comparison between our online courses.
41:30You have an online business.
41:32I don't have an online business.
41:34I have a teaching course based on a class I taught at Harvard for three semesters.
41:39It gives people the opportunity to understand the keys I did not have as a business person
41:45so that they understand how to negotiate for a better raise, ask for more promotions.
41:50They understand how to present in a boardroom.
41:52And so, for me, it's not about making money.
41:55My point is that my class is to open the door for people who can't go to Harvard.
42:00You are promoting your businesses and setting up your margins so you can be rich as .
42:06Yeah.
42:07That is not my intention.
42:08It's a charitable venture.
42:10Yes, absolutely.
42:11She's giving back.
42:11And so, by the way, that is not failure.
42:14I didn't say it was a failure.
42:15Yes, you did.
42:20Next week, the reunion continues.
42:23Jennifer Tilly talked to me about this dress.
42:26This is my face on the front of it.
42:28I see that.
42:29Will you be asking for half of the agency?
42:32Half of the time.
42:33Did he realize that?
42:35You told me that Amanda took out a $2 million loan just before she started filming?
42:39Well, you did.
42:40You did?
42:41You wanted to talk about the past two years, but we haven't been friends.
42:45You got our whole...
42:45This is exactly it, Kelsa.
42:47Stop saying that we are friends.
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