00:00You and I and everyone else who supported him,
00:02you wrote speeches for him, I campaigned for him.
00:04I mean, we're implicated in this, for sure.
00:06Yes.
00:07It's not enough to say,
00:09well, I changed my mind, or like,
00:11oh, this is bad, I'm out.
00:12It's like, in very small ways, but in real ways,
00:17you and me and millions of people like us
00:19are the reason this is happening right now.
00:21Yes.
00:23So, I do think it's like a moment
00:25to wrestle with our own consciences.
00:30You know, we'll be tormented by it for a long time.
00:32I will be, and I want to say I'm sorry
00:35for misleading people, and it was not intentional.
00:38That's all I'll say.
00:39But anyway, but the question does present itself immediately,
00:43like, what is this?
00:44Was this always the plan?
00:46You don't want to be a conspiracy nut,
00:47but like, clearly, there were signs of low character.
00:49We knew that.
00:50Yes.
00:51But it didn't, there are tons of people of low character
00:53who, like, outperform their character.
00:57It doesn't have to be.
00:58Sort of the norm, actually, these days, I would say.
01:00Right. I've outperformed my character a lot.
01:03I don't have especially high character, right?
01:06But, you know, you try to, whatever you try your best.
01:08But what was this?
01:12Was this always the plan?
01:14You know, looking back after the last year and a half,
01:16it seems like it kind of was.
01:17And it's easy, well, you could get really deep about it
01:21and say, what was Butler?
01:23Like, how was it that he, and Ryan Ruth?
01:26I mean, he was subject to two legitimate assassination attempts.
01:31Have we ever gotten to the bottom?
01:32I know you've talked a lot about this,
01:34but have we ever gotten to the bottom then?
01:35I haven't talked a lot about it.
01:36I don't know the answer,
01:37but I know that those investigations have been stymied.
01:40Fact.
01:41Yeah, stymied from the very top,
01:43from people who actually would have the power
01:45to get to the bottom of it.
01:46And the motive.
01:46Yes, very much.
01:48So, the enormous amount of money he got from Miriam Adelson,
01:55now, it seems suspect to a lot of people at the time.
01:58But, you know, there's a lot of money in politics
02:00to run for president, requires an enormous,
02:02I mean, Cacklin Cameltoe went through $2 billion
02:05in four months.
02:07So, sure, there's an argument to be made
02:10that you get money from those who will give it to you.
02:12So, it's just the nature of that game.
02:16But it's still reprehensible,
02:18and it's still a big question mark.
02:19Why would someone who has obvious
02:22and demonstrated allegiance to a foreign power
02:24give Donald Trump $250 million
02:27while he's running for president?
02:29I mean, how is that defensible?
02:30It's really not.
02:33If Russia had given a PAC for Trump,
02:37you know, if the mayor of Moscow
02:39had somehow, you know,
02:41assembled an enormous amount of money
02:43and put it in a 501c3 for Trump's benefit,
02:47would that have been acceptable?
02:48Of course it wouldn't have been.
02:50So, what does someone,
02:51it's so basic, comes back to the money.
02:53Like, what did they get in return
02:56for that amount of investment?
02:58And it's clear.
02:59I get it.
02:59No, I mean, of course,
03:00I agree with every word that you're saying.
03:02I just think, given his behavior
03:06and his demonstrated disloyalty
03:09and viciousness to previous supporters,
03:12Yes.
03:13why wouldn't he display
03:15the same lack of loyalty to Miriam Adelson?
03:19I mean, that's kind of the question.
03:21The only people he's been loyal to
03:23are the neocons and his donors.
